Noelle's Mother Worries Me | Deltarune Character Analysis 

Happy holidays, to all who celebrate! Just for the occasion, I bring you a vid discussing Mayor Holiday from Deltarune and the worrying relationship with her daughter. If you came here from the recent Terra analysis (Kingdom Hearts), fret not! I plan to do more KH content in the near future. Ventus and Yen Sid videos are probably gonna be the next major topics. If you missed it, the Terra video is here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ruy5aYUijGE.html If you wanna support what I do, my patreon is here: patreon.com/dorked And my Ko-Fi is here: ko-fi.com/invertedfate Inverted Fate: invertedfate.com/chapters More Undertale/Deltarune Analysis Content: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4VfHhBh1c8c.html More Deltarune Theories: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KueHgAZcV00.html Mayor Holiday art by yBlookynho: www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/te718w/speaking_of_communion_kris_did_you_know_that_the/ Undertale alarm clock: undertale.com/alarmclock/

While we still need to actually see her From what we know now, she is controlling and a perfectionist. To the point Noelle is too scared to tell her, she forgot her home keys. This IS bad parenting. Regardless of if she's a good person or not. If you child doesn't feel safe coming to you over a tiny mistake.

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I honestly would love for deltarune to go dark and darker

I'm kind of shocked that I never really made the connection between Noelle's passivity and her life with her mom before. Good vid!

I recently replayed Deltarune and spoke to Noelle and her father Ever since Noelle sat outside the gate and her dad saying she was tough on her, had me thinking about that for a while Like, is her mom really that tough on her? Is that why she's too scared to speak up? Or tell others off? This part is a stretch, but maybe because she's so quiet and doesn't disobey rules is why she is so attracted to Susie. I mean, Susie breaks the rules and says A LOT of vulgar things. Noelle may like that she does whatever she wants when she wants; she probably wants that freedom too I'm thankful this video is here. Especially since I've been thinking about Noelle and her mother's relationship (Not saying Susie has it good btw, I'm just saying what Noelle might be seeing)

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Fun fact about the mayor, her very position is itself a contradiction of prior material from UNDERTALE like the rest of Deltarune is. The very first line we hear out of the mouth of the Politics Bear in UNDERTALE was calling attention to the fact that there is no Mayor of Snowdin Town. The discrepancies just keeping piling up, getting thicker and thicker as time goes on.

i am unsure about whether the Mayor has good intentions or not, but even so, someone can be abusive and toxic without really meaning to. i completely agree it might be her way of coping with Dess' disappearance and Rudy's illness, to the point where she might have become a workaholic so to speak and thus being hard on Noelle (even though it seems being strict and icy was already her personality from way back then, plus Noelle's whole thing about the house key and being scared of making too much noise is very concerning), though it doesn't excuse her actions, of course. even if Noelle and the Mayor manage to mend their relationship in a way, or put some of the stuff behind them, continuing to live with your abusive parent or at least still being emotionally attached to them is a decision you can make, by that point. there are cases and cases, but it's 100% fine to simply... leave it all behind if you can. drifting away is healthier, and you don't owe people who were abusive/toxic to you anything, regardless if they are family. it would be nice to see Toby go through with that direction, for example. sometimes things don't get fully resolved, or if they do, they don't go back to how they were before. that's a great message to show in a game like this. as for Dess, of course i already like her a lot considering i made a whole take on her + my own lore and all lol. i have my own version of all the events leading up to her disappearance and where she ended up which i plan to turn into a comic sometime. in my vision, Dess also heavily struggled with her mother, and given that comment about her wanting to take Noelle somewhere like Cyber City, i think she desperately wanted to move away with her sister but simply couldn't (you need a stable job, a plan, the means necessary to move on from your old life, support from friends and well, family etc. it's tough). her going missing was a mix of her being impulsive and running away + the bunker incident where Kris was involved. something "mundane", but very real that turns into the deeper lore stuff deltarune has to offer. i relate a lot to Noelle's and (presumably) Dess' struggle with family, so i'm excited to see how the Mayor will be tackled in deltarune, especially as someone who is sadly familiar with abuse and toxicity in general. long comment, but yeah

queen= female ruler of a state mayor= elected head of a city or town if you think about it, that pretty much does sort of make the mayor a queen.

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Rudy death could be the defining part of the ending, just like Nanako in p4. It would be a really great way to make noelle be a massive part of the ending

When I saw this, I thought of the universal mother theory when it came to how Queen treats Noelle, but I didn’t expect it to come into the equation. Awesome stuff.

I want her to be portrayed as a flawed, but ultimately good, mother with a very unhealthy and destructive coping mechanism. And that part of Noelle’s subplot is reconciling with her mother. As it’s clear that Dess’ disappearance has created a ripple effect that impacted everyone negatively.

I've always seen Deltarune as a more 'mature' (ish) game than Undertale. Mainly for having more... "$#%@!" Aka censored language. Although I know that Undertale has darker themes, I still think that Deltarune will eventually end up in darker elements as well. I like the idea of 'people growing up with the games'. Where people who liked Undertale when they were younger get into Deltarune later.

great video as always! i had to basically rewatch it because i kept zoning out and going down rabbit holes of theories based off of things you said, and i was missing the video. btw, what song did u have playing in the background? it sounds very nice and i wanna give the whole thing a listen

Seems like we will be mending family issues for the kids each having problems at home. Each character escaping to the darkworld. Imo is a board game like d&d Asriel use to play with Kris making worlds where you could befriend everyone or on your own will kill everyone. It makes me think of flowey "I read every book, I burned every book. I made friends with everyone, I killed everyone." "let's move on and leave this world alone" when he was trying to stop frisk/chara/player from entering the corridor last attempt of negotiating before Sans give his shot stopping you with force.

12:50 what if he dies on a Snowgrave route, survives in a neutral route (but is still sick and stuck in the hospital), and on the pacifist route he gets better and is able to leave the hospital in a wheelchair or crutches or something.

noelle's growth shadows berdly's

Yooo, Umineko background music!

I like your voice

i think her name is christmas

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So far the game has depicted her as quite a cruel mother. The way both Rudy and Noelle talk about her already says enough and yet there is even more leaning torwards her very bad and way too strict parenting

Dark Worlds seem like they're specifically designed to develop one of the Lightners inside. The first one gave Susie friendship in the form of Lancer, and a bigger bully to contrast with in the form of Spade King. Similarly, Queen seems less like a reflection of the mayor and more like a test for Noelle to stand up for herself. She's a villain that can only be defeated by telling her no. Queen's "mother-like" attributes might just be there to make Noelle even MORE hesitant to say no, she reminds her of her mother.

Perhaps if we do get an Asgore and Rudy Chapter explaining the deal between both their families,it could build up to an arc of confronting the Mayor eventually, even if she's the Knight or not.

Honestly, the Queen is more of a motherly figure to Noelle than Noelle’s LITERAL mom which definitely is concerning, I definitely hope that we get more of Kris and Noelle’s family as I really don’t think Noelle’s mom is distant and Icey for no reason, but I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

Noelle's passive nature could very well be because her mother is abusive and controlling. She probably learned that it's better to just blindly listen to her orders then risk getting emotionally, or worse, physically beaten down. This would explain why she's so easy to manipulate in the Weird/Snowgrave route in chapter 2, you as the player are taking advantage of this poor girls unhealthy survival instinct. But, there is hope for Noelle, Chapter 2's normal route has her slowly asserting herself throughout the chapter until she's finally strong enough to break Queen's control over her completely. That experience in the Dark World, even if she perceives it as a dream, strengthened her soul and made her realize that she deserves to have her needs/wants heard.

I feel like the story of the Holidays is one without villians, only victims, noone in it seems to be having a very good time

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think of Noelle's mother. I'm waiting until we actually meet her,however from what we know she doesn't sound like a very good mom. Since Noelle is my favorite character in deltarune, I hope she has some kind of happy resolution with her mother (especially if her father does end up dying). It would be great seeing her standing up to her and telling her mom how she feels. I'd love seeing her friends there as well for support, whether it be in the dark world or the light world. Also,at the end you mentioned so many good video ideas that I hope you do.

Wild prediction: Noelles moms name is Carol so her boss name will be something like ‘Carol, of the bells’

You kind of got me thinking... while I don't fully believe it myself (not that I think it's impossible, but it's just that we don't know enough about darkners yet) there is this theory, that every darkner is created specifically for a lightner. Like Lancer's purpose being Susie's first real friend for example. This kind of makes Queen look like a practice mother, as weird as that might sound. Someone who isn't as threatening to Noelle as her real mother, but who Noelle wishes to stand up against in a similar way. Queen and the darkworld become like a safespace to Noelle, where she can practice standing up for herself to her mother in a, for her, safer environment, since it's more detached from reality.

With the parallels between Mayor Holiday and Queen, I don't think things will go well. I like how Queen serves as a means for Noelle to eventually be able to face her. I've thought the theory that she's the Knight, opening Fountains to try and find Dess is quite interesting. Anyway, great video! I'd love to see how DELTARUNE as a whole develops (and also your content, like Inverted Fate).

Noelle seems to be in a difficult situation with her family. Her mother is potentially abusive, her father is dying, and her sister... we don't even know where she is. It's interesting that there's more we know about Noelle's family than Susie's. Just how important will Noelle be to Deltarune?

“Dess, being the older sibling, likely sensed the hostility of their mother and wanted to take Noelle away from the house, even if it was for a short time” I felt this. Last year when the relationship of my family wasn’t in a healthy state, my sister said that she was leaving and taking me with her. Things are better now, but it’s weird that I can relate with a video game.

i really wish channels like dorked, halfbreadchaos and mysticslime would get more recognition for these types of videos, i genuinly am in love with theory content, and i wish more people watch it

Posted a week right before Christmas. Makes me imagine Noelle saying “Christmas! Just a week away.”

It's also the fact of losing a loved one that made it worse. Because as we can see in berdly's backstory, She broke down as soon as she heard "Dec". But here's a question I have: Why did Noelle get more confident in a snowgrave route? Edit: Why the fuck did this dumb comment get 100 likes? Thanks ig.

Oh wow, yeah Noelle's home situation seems a lot worse considering the Snowgrave route. I wonder if Dess was treated like this when she was around. I'm honestly not hopeful on how good she'll be but I want to see Toby tackle abusive parents more head on (though I guess he could do that with Susie's.) and I want to see how Noelle and Rudy will stand up to that.

Something that bothers me is seemingly how readily the mayor kicked Asgore off the police force (since it was most likely her doing, given her power and status). He was very much invested in finding Dess, so... maybe there's some darker implications about the mayor going on behind the scenes. If she is the Knight, maybe Dess went missing because the mayor opened a dark fountain in wherever that large red door leads, and covered up what she did by removing the one person who was seriously invested in finding Dess.

It's very tempting to say that Noelle's Mother is going to be cruel, and harsh, but this situation is reminding me of the way Asgore was described in Undertale. Before we met him, both Toriel and Undyne said that he would kill was just as he did the other humans, but when we met him, he was kind, allowed us to talk and to do any unfinished business we had. I wonder if that's the direction Toby is going to go with Noelle's Mother.

I remember watching a video on the universal mother theory, of how Queen reflects all the lightners' mothers, but yeah Noelle's mother is definitely the easiest to spot and the most worrying. At least we can hope she learned enough courage from Ch2 to start standing up to her?

I would like to see the other fan projects, even yours in future. As for Mayor Holiday. I wouldn’t mind to see a harsher mother figure in deltarune. It only makes sense with all the signs of some kind of abuse Noelle shows. It doesn’t have to be crazy bad abuse, I mean kids get greatly affected by even little things. I think it will just be interesting to see her and her mother confront each other’s mayor holiday must be in pain too. She already lost a daughter in some capacity, and her husband is in the hospital. I don’t think she will be a one dimensional villain.

this is such a good analysis. something you said made me realize something about the mayor. at around 12 minutes i think you said the mayor doesn’t provide for Noelle, your 100% right but i think the mayor believes she is providing for Noelle by always working and being so hard on her. most parents in this kinda relationship always believe that their doing wars best for the kid and the child isn’t actually providing in the relationship. again really good analysis and sorry this is so long

Y'know, seeing this kind of explains why Noelle would be friends with someone like Berdly and have a crush on Susie. The two are a lot louder and more expressively and don't have any or many friends due to being outcasts, which probably makes her feel important or needed. Berdly being protective of her is probably one of the few displays of affection she gets outside of her family, even if it's not the best... (seriously, Berdly my man, you get a point for trying, but dear lord, tone it down)

This is a great analysis! I've thought a lot about this too, and I'm very eager to see how Toby will approach Noelle's mom in the upcoming chapters. I would assume that the first time we see her is in church, but if she's even too busy for that, I suppose that'd say a lot about her character!

I have a feeling that if Noelle stood up to her mother the same way she did with queen, it would get shut down shortly after it starts before gaining any momentum, Or it would backfire severely in the end making things worse. Now that I think about it, the weird route could affect how this would go if it happens. As well as Noelle’s actions afterward. Which could affect the main plot.

I hope that we confront the people in the light world like the mayor or susies parents (if she has any), that the bonds and strength we gain in the dark world can translate to courage in the light world. I real confrontation between noelle and her mom about abuse would be the more mature story that Toby said he’s going for

When you said that her name may start with a C, i immediately Though of the name "Carol" which would fit incredibly well, so much so I'm confident this is her name. Carol obviously referencing to going house to house and singing Christmas songs. Who knows, she might even be a little like scrooge from the christmas Carol movie.

I always saw the queen as what noelle sees in her mother, as in she wants to see the best in her, that’s why she is so goofy and her intentions are just to make noelle happy

Mayor Holiday just hatin' that Asgore knows how to steal her man with all those flowers

With anybody else at the wheel, I'd be nervous about the archetype of the "icy controlling career woman" thats being set up with Noelle's mother. However, I trust Toby to handle this character with all the nuance he normally employs. Also, I can't wait for Deltarune to come out fully so we can make a "best to worst parental figures" tierlist

I had a funny thought that, perhaps, decisions like the Snowgrave path could have a massive impact on who lives or dies as the story goes on. Like for example, Noelle taking out Berdly also brought about more confidence in herself... and could help invigorate her Dad... Or perhaps Berdly will be in a similar position to Noelle's dad, revealing that his condition might have been caused by being attacked in the Dark world. After all we have no proof that Berdly is ACTUALLY DEAD after being hit by Snowgrave.

Oh boy, I can't wait for even more suffering, pain, and existential dread! In all seriousness, though, I absolutely love how Toby writes his stories, it really makes it feel like anything could happen, and for the most part, still make sense.

I truly hope the mayor isn’t portrayed as a true 100% evil mother. I relate to Noelle and her relationship with her mother a lot, and yet I love my mom and I think there will be a way where we will have a happy relationship someday. I feel like it would be nice to give her good traits, bc maybe people can relate too. I know relating to a character isn’t the most important thing while writing but it kinda makes you feel seen a bit idk. Still I love Toby and I know whatever he chooses to do with the character will be pretty cool. Nice video!

Sorta getting Odalia Blight vibes from the info we have about her right now. Hope for Noelle's sake she isn't THAT bad...

I feel like Noelle’s fear of her mom comes less from her being actively cruel than it is the fear of confronting her and saying “no” to finally voice her opinions. Being mayor is a very busy and stressful position to have and Noelle’s mom goes above and beyond for her duties. It leads her to neglect her family, however. It might be that she’s treating the well-being of the town to be synonymous with the well-being of Noelle and taking care of her by extension. There’s no crime, the town is clean, the residents are happy. Noelle should be happy. If she gives everything to her job, everything for the town, for Noelle, then she would get upset if anyone gets in the way of that, even her own daughter. She needs Noelle to do her part so the mayor can keep doing hers. As contradictory as it seems, some parents believe that the best for their kids is by staying away to work harder and provide for their family. Noelle is a shy, observant person who is very considerate of others despite her own personal feelings, so she would also put her mom’s priorities above her own and not want to make her mom’s job harder. Her mom’s display of affection might be similar to Queen’s, through gifts and demonstrations to show ‘look at how cool I am. look at how nice this place is. you can be happy here,’ without physically being there and actually listening to what her daughter needs. Noelle’s achievements are a double-edged sword. She might want to impress her mom and get her attention by getting awards and being top of her class. On the other hand, her mom would take it as Noelle doing just fine and continue to neglect her. Her mom has high expectations for her as the daughter of the mayor. Noelle could feel pressured to live up to those expectations and be self-sufficient in her absence. If anything, this could reach a peak and push Noelle to start acting out defiantly. Also, if Rudy dies, it would be just her and her mom, who isn’t there most of the time and might as well be just Noelle alone. Rudy being in a critical state or Noelle severely acting out, or both, would create the major crisis that finally gets her out of her office. (At least that’s my interpretation as a person who’s scared of confronting their workaholic mom)

Very rarely do I get so excited for psychoanalysises of fictional characters! Thanks so much for uploading! Might comment more later!

I think Noelle gets her blonde hair and trait of being afraid of everything from her mother. Dess got their mother's raw nerve. Both girls got Rudy's loving nature... I think Clarice/Carol Holiday will be revealed to be Boss Monster class much like Susie, Sans, Undyne, and the Dreamurrs. Both of her daughters inherited this potential. But just as Sans wasn't motivated enough and the Dreamurr's were too gentle, Noelle has a ways to go... Think We'll learn that "Proceed." was the go-to phrase Clarice/Carol would use to shut Noelle down whenever she would hesitate or protest when commanded to do something, and that Clarice/Carol is prone to stern, laconic speech general. I think we may find out a lot of why Clarice/Carol refuses to be disturbed by anything unscheduled has to do with how much she is keeping under wraps... While I agree she is connected to the Roaring Knight, I doubt she is the sole alter-ego of it. For starters, the Roaring Knight has been referred to as 'it,' rather than 'they,' which seems to imply we might not be talking about a person, here.... I'm pretty sure, however the details go together, Mayor Clarice/Carol Holiday is in reeeeeaaal deep with something related to the whole plot of Deltarune. I don't think she'll turn out to be a villain, but rather a character as tragic as her daughter December...

It's difficult to speculate too much about a character like Mayor Holiday, given that she hasn't even appeared on screen yet. I could definitely see her being actively abusive, but I could just as easily see her merely being cold and distant with high expectations. All we know for sure is that she's not the type of parent that Noelle needs or wants right now. And I definitely agree that Noelle is going to need to stand up to her the way she stood up to Queen at some point. Somewhat off topic, but since you brought up Rudy's possible death, I've recently become convinced that Rudy is indeed going to die, and Noelle is going to create a Fountain to try to bring him back through his funeral object, and that's what the Angel's Heaven will be - "Angel" because Noelle was referred to as one by the Addisons multiple times in the weird route, and "Heaven" because she'll be trying to create an afterlife. It may be a bit futile to speculate about endgame stuff like that when we're only two chapters in, but the idea of bringing back the dead as Darkners seems too tantalizing for Toby to not explore at some point, and that would line up extremely well with the endgame threat being called "Heaven," so I just can't get the theory out of my head. I can only imagine how a crazy sequence of events like that would impact the Mayor and her relationship with Noelle.

This was such a good video. I personally do believe that the mayor is abusive to both her daughter and to Rudy. And, I really like the theory that she's the knight. But, we'll just have to see what Toby has in mind for her.

My opinion of the Mayor can be summed up in one phrase: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

I don't know if I agree with the theory that Mayor Holiday is the Knight and is opening fountains to look for Dess. we have information hinting that she was already this strict when Dess was still around, while a "looking for Dess" motivation would make much more sense if she became more strict and neglectful as time went on. the information we have so far just doesn't seem to lean that way for me.

Now I really want to see Noelle’s mother and Queen interact, in castle town or something. I can just imagine her being completely done at the sight of her inane shtick. Might even be more lucrative than the possibility of Papyrus and Rouxls Kaard. There are just so many great characters in Deltarune and Undertale, To be honest I just want to see everyone meet everyone. Like imagine Queen and Mettaton taking shots at eachother - Just a random example I hadn’t even considered before writing this but it would be so effortlessly glorious

If rudy dies i will be so upset i swear toby

I feel like the perfect climax to the story (before some shit goes down) would be Noelle confronting her mother in a dark world, and all her friends defending Noelle as well. ON THE OTHER HAND OH BOY SOMETHING BAD IS GONNA HAPPEN IN SNOWGRAVE Picture this: Noelle and her mother meet in a Dark World. Alone. Noelle's mother says something, and in the normal route, this is where Noelle would stand up for herself. HOWEVER in the SNOWGRAVE ROUTE, OH BOY She stays silent. She knows what's coming. You tell her to proceed. She stays silent. You tell her to proceed. She stays silent. You tell her to proceed. She stays silent. You tell her to proceed. She fuckin murks her mother, then leaves. She's now gone from the story forever. If we find Dess in the game at some point, NOPE, NOT ANYMORE. She murders her own mother, and then just disappears forever.

Without having watched this video yet, I want to share my initial thoughts (Which will be accompanied by an edit once I'm done, should anything change). 'Bad Mother' as the thumbnail says, is a very broad spectrum. You can have explicitly neglectful and abusive to inadequate but trying, and I think Mayor Holiday falls into the latter half. I don't think she's intentionally neglectful, and Noelle certainly isn't in the same boat as Fanon-Susie, so the more basic needs are met, but there's definitely an aura of control and intimidation. Again, this may not be intentional, but it certainly exists, and is a problem. But ultimately, I still think she does care about Noelle's wellbeing, and all of this behaviour is potentially a side effect from the Dess situation. If we accept that Queen is a mirror of Noelle's mother (Like King may be a mirror of Susie's father), I think we see elements of the Mayor's true disposition. She wants to keep Noelle happy and safe, but isn't taking the initiative to ask what Noelle would want, just like Queen. The key difference there being that Queen isn't actually Noelle's mother, and that Queen isn't intimidating, really, which allows Noelle to brave it and take a stand. Ultimately, Queen is alerted to her oppressive decisions, and gives way to Noelle's actual wants, dropping her veneer of sanguinity (As characterised by her talk sound effect changing from the goofy, pitch warbling one to the more serious, normal one (which we only see in this scene, and when she's talking about the Knight)) to give Noelle the freedom to choose. If Queen is truly a mirror of Mayor Holiday, perhaps she would do the same. But, Noelle would need the courage to stand up and tell her that. ------------------------------------------------- I've finished watching the video, and I do have some things to say. First, when I talk about the different forms, what I was trying to convey is that I don't think Mayor Holiday's neglectful behaviour is that of malice, and I don't think there's any physical abuse or anything that severe. I still think Mayor Holiday (and while this isn't an excuse for her poor parenting) is unintentionally putting up an intimidating façade, and I do think it's possible that it's due to Dess' disappearance, grief or guilt manifesting as over-protectiveness. Yes, the conduct has existed since Noelle was a kid (according to the blog posts), but Dess has been missing since probably around that time, as the Spelling Bee that Noelle stumbled on and Berdly won was while they were kids, and Noelle stumbled because the word was "December". It's also likely that Rudy's illness only worsened things. As for the "Unplugging the game" thing, I always read that blog post as she was playing late at night, but reading it again there isn't actually a mention of that, so it might not be that. It's certainly concerning that the excitement scream is implied to have likely brought the same reaction from Noelle's mother, but that is just an implication and could theoretically be chalked up to Noelle being over-cautious.

Queen is by far my favorite deltarune chapter 2 character. That moment when Berdy said "But, you said you were a gamer!" and Queen says, "I only play mobile games." cracked me up.

Oh my god your voice is exactly how I imagine Alphys' to be That aside this is a really interesting video and I firmly believe you are correct in the confrontation of the next few chapters, I really hope Noelle grows to be more assertive and able to say no when she wants to and I also can't wait to see what happens to Rudy, I hope he recovers but I'd be okay with him dying if it means a more interesting story for the Holiday family Ink also wondering about Dess. It'd be awesome to see her in the next chapter!

Fantastic video. I completely agree with how little the mayor has been explored compared to the other elements of Noelle's character, which is a pity since their relationship could very well explain a lot about Noelle as a whole. I gotta say it's not looking good for her, the picture that's being painted is an ugly one, and one I very much could see Toby tackle in Deltarune. For all the whimsical magic and fucked up code stuff, DR can be a very real game through the subjects and situations going on in the light world, broken marriages, sickness, abusive homes, eviction, loneliness, escapism. It's very much in the table, and with the Spamton sweepstakes thing, I'm more and more convinced that it's the direction being taken, god, the goosebumps I got when I read that part, such an uncomfortable feeling. I love the parallel you made between Queen and the Mayor, cause while it's one that a lot of people have discussed, I hadn't seen anyone frame it as Queen being seen through rose tinted glasses, someone overdoting instead of absent, that's great stuff. Really great video as always, I didn't comment on the KH video cause I didn't feel like I had much to add but I liked it as well, will continue to support whatever you upload!!

i think that queen's personality comes half from noelle's mom, and half from the internet. shes as much of a representation of noelle's mom as she is a representation of search engines and such, hence the "wanting the best for everyone" and giving em physical objects representing what they searched

i would also like to mention that the mayor having something against asgore might come from the reletionship between rudy and asgore it could be that they get along so well while she cant, or maybe that (as that one convo from the winter alarm clock suggests) asgore might be bi

Mmmmhhhhh I would love to condemn the Mayor as an awful mother but I also know it would be a very biased opinion since how Noelle and Rudy talk about the Mayor hits a little close for me haha. Ironic for a game about escapism. While the Mayor may not be a bad person, she _is_ a bad parent. She has her demons, but so does everyone else. When we meet her and confront her with this information, how will she react? Is this and accusation/ attack? Is this a valid criticism? Is she willing to do the right thing, even if it's something neither party wants? The anticipation is intense for everyone (audience, creator, characters.) Will this fulfill the scenario that we want? Will Mayor Holiday refuse to change and solidify Noelle's resolve to be a more independent person? (And fulfill the fantasy a lot of us have to cut off family who have hurt us) Will the Mayor see the errors in her ways and truly apologize/ change? (And fulfill the wish that many of us have?)

I don't think Rudy is doomed to die. There might be a scenario where he does (especially the weird route which is just a huge wild card), but I think Toby was very deliberate in making it known that he does pass in Undertale's universe. Rudy's fate is likely meant to be one of those major events that diverge between the two universes, and I think it's being foreshadowed that Noelle will at least *attempt* to use the Dark World to save him. Queen is definitely meant to be *a* mother to Noelle, but probably not the same exact person as you say. Her various personality traits probably parallel traits from Noelle's mom, but Queen might almost be more reasonable... in a sense. I mean, her actual mom probably doesn't threaten to turn her face into a robot one, but Queen is at least able to make a 180° turnaround in the end, I expect her real mom to be a much more difficult person to deal with, with a lot more emotional baggage behind her. She won't be a straight up "villian" like King or Queen, but likely at least an antagonistic role. It'll probably be an interesting dynamic if she becomes a character in a dark world setting, I imagine it would involve a potential story about saving Rudy. Other antagonists have minions and machines at their disposal, but Mayor Holiday has political and family power dynamics.

Hmmm, your comment on Noelle’s cryomancy in the dark world made me realize how much the holiday and Dreemurr Families are linked and mirror each other Undertale had the dreemurrs use pyromancy, while Noelle, a holiday, uses ice magic. Curious isn’t it?

This is a bit off-topic, but I have a question: why does Queen choose Noelle as her means of expanding the dark world? Berdly would definitely want to do that, considering how much of a fan of queen he was, and even though queen thought he was annoying, she would definitely be fine with him doing her work rather than Noelle.

0:18 what if her name is “Christmas Holiday”? Would fit with the theory that Dess’s full name is “December Holiday” and it makes sense for Rudy and Noelle to be the ones with none actual holiday names but Dess and C to have actual holiday names to fit the theme and they wanted their children to represent them… that’s probably a stretch but maybe one day Noelle also decided to search up her mother along with Dess and that’s how the December 25s got on the calendar in queens search list rooms? This is a stretch but it seems possible and it makes sense because I searched my mom’s name up randomly once and Noelle’s mom is the mayor.

Honestly, we haven't met the Mayor yet, so it's too soon to judge. And... I legitimately never got the impression that Ms. Holiday was a horrible parent. So allow me to play devil's advocate for her, and tell me if anything I say doesn't make sense. (I really hope you read it lol, even if it is very long) +Noelle Locked out All she said was that her mother doesn't like being interrupted, which we already kinda knew. What we don't know is if there are any consequences to that. Remember that Noelle is prone to making mountains out of molehills (Susie ate chalk once > give her a whole lunch ox of chalk.) (You got scared of a piece of cardboard > let's bury it in an actual literal cemetary) For all we know, it could be simply something like: -H-Hey, Mom, I forgot my keys, can you open the door for me..? -Ah, mmh... I'm in the middle of something, honey. Could you-? -O-Oh, that's f-fine! I'll just stay at Catti's..! Bye..! +Queen parallels If anything, Queen might show that Ms. Holiday isn't so bad. King was a decent enough warped reflection of Susie (Someone who acted agressively to others, except people close to them, but underneath they have a good heart. And you know, all the parallels) So perhaps Queen is a decent enough reflection to Mayor? Not a perfect one, but decent enough. Somebody who's pretty dismissive and overbearing, sure, but does love Noelle, and will listen to Noelle if she just draws a line in the sand. +"It'll be just me and mom..." People say that even if they love theur mom. I never even thought of this line as "I don't want to be left alone with mom, I'm scared of her" But more of "We already lost Dess, and I don't wanna lose you too Dad, it'll be just me and mom left". And the fact that right after this, Rudy gets sad and reassures that he'll get better, only supports this interpretation. "Don't worry, you won't lose me too" +Unplugged console I actually don't even understand this one. Noelle is a child, playing games late at night. Of course her mom would want to turn the console off and put Noelle to bed. Noelle doesn't want to make any loud noises because she just doesn't want to alert her mom that she's doing something she shouldn't. Heck if Rudy spotted Noelle he would probably put her to bed too. The difference is he'd probably let her play a few more minutes to finish what she was doing. Did none of y'all have any "hide your DS/phone under a pillow" moments as kids?! +"She's tough on her" Yes. That is true. And? Being a strict parent, or a parent with expectations, doesn't make you a bad parent on it's own. i'm not arguing that Ms. Holiday isn't strict. +++Other notes: +Rudy's complacency Keep in mind two things. 1. Rudy seems to be a really, really really cool dude. And he cares about Noelle more than anything. 2. Noelle can't say no to him, so she tells him everything. Heck she even told him about her lesbian crush on Susie, Rudy is probably the ONLY person she told. So from those facts we can draw this conclusion: IF Noelle was abused, Rudy would KNOW about it. Even if Ms. Holiday was stealthy about it, Rudy would know. So, even before he was in the hospital, do you think Rudy would allow this to continue? He says that his presence easily balances things out, and that he still loves his wife. If Ms. Holiday really was abusing Noelle, I don't know if either of those statements would be as true So remember, if you drag down Ms. Holiday, you're also dragging down Rudy by complacency. +Fierce to thieves Makes sense. That just shows how protective and strong she is. I don't think she even hurt the burglars, just scared them off. +Kristmas. If Ms. Holiday was as strict and tough when Noelle was a child... Would she really let a weirdo like Kris hang out with her daughter? I mean, Family Friends aside, Kris was a meance. Doing pranks that not only affected Noelle, but also probably more. And would Ms. Holiday let Noelle go to cemetaries, and forests, and, and caves and such eith that weirdo? You could argue that Rudy was allowing it, but, I doubt that would go smoothly without Mom's approval +Eviction. I mean. What else are you gonna do. You can't just keep letting somebody live without paying rent. Or electricity. Or water. Or whatever else Asgore doesn't pay. I mean really he seems to have lived in the Flower Shop for a long time. If he was always giving flowers away, then it's a miracle he kept the shop for as long as he did. If anything "try selling flowers for money sometime" could be a solemn advice to an old family friend. "Look dude, you gotta pay your bills. And I'm sure you wouldn't mind some better food too. Try, you know, actually doing your job, mmkay?" +Something something Narrative. Hah, speaking of Asgore... "Why would Toby "set all those things up" if Ms. Holiday turns out to be pretty *chill*?", You ask? Well, remember how Asgore was handled in Undertale. Toriel only ever speaks negatively of Asgore while in the ruins. Saying things that are technically true, but greatly misrepresent Asgore. And in Deltarune, we are still essentially in the Ruins of the narrative. So yeah. TL;DR: I don't believe Ms. Holiday is so bad. At least, from the info we have thus far.

I personally wouldn't call a parent unplugging their child's console while they're gaming at night controlling but everything else lines up

I enjoy these kind of analysis videos so much. Keep it up, Dork. You deserve to get more recognition.

Given that they say the mayor is aware of any crimes or bad acts that go on in the town, its possible she's already familiar with Susie and most likely won't be in favor of any relationship between susie and noelle.

If her name begins with C, I bet its Carol (‘like Christmas carol)

Would be interesting to see how she would react to the events of the Snowgrave route

My headcannon is the mayor's name is Christmas.

very thought provoking analysis! i love how open ended everything is right now with the lore- i can’t wait to come back to these videos and see what we were all able to predict :^)

I love this channel for a lot of reasons but if I could say one good thing about this channel that sets it apart from basically any other channel is your description is well-managed you have everything talked about in the video linked and to be honest it's incredible

Would be hilarious if her name was Christmas holiday

I like to think that the festival will happen in one of the final chapters and be like the Deltarune equivalent of an anime beach episode but instead of being fun filler it leads directly into the roaring

1:16 Kris is *probably* inspired by Spamton's and Jevil's chaotic wishes. 3:45 and also Spamton.

Mayor Holiday's first name is going to be "Christmas", isn't it?

I have a few opinions, but I can be very off the rails with theories sometimes 1. The mayor will sort of act as a anti-hero, having lots of ups and downs when we meet her. This may lead to a mixed response but honestly is probably the nicest version of her that isn’t too wishful 2. The reason Toby wanted Rudy dead in Undertale was to make sure that if he does live here, he’ll be a new character without the fanbase being all distracted at “Omg what if we make this Undertale”

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I honestly don't think Mrs. Holiday is necessarily trying to be bad. I honestly think that she just wants what's best for her daughter, and she wants her to succeed in life. She doesn't have the best way of going about it, but I don't think she's trying to be extremely malicious. It also doesn't help that she's the mayor, and she probably doesn't want the town to think badly about her family, and just wants everyone to live orderly and peacefully. Imo, she's very left brained, and needs to learn how to properly parent her children emotionally, but I don't think she is trying to be bad. Edit: All in all, I think Mrs Holiday can, and will change for the better, but it's gotta take some talking between her, and her daughter to make it work. And I hope that Noelle does take that initiative to talk before the end of the game.

Why do people see that one scene as Susie having abusive parents? I see it as her being an orphan.

Rudy's first red flag coming from the mayor was her punching him very hard after being called a hot stuff ?? Sorry. I've never been in relationships, so no ideas

Amazing video! But OMG what's the song playing during the last chapter of the video?? It's so good???

If Rudy's illness has been something lifelong and chronic, as such things can be fatal or lead to fatal or life-threatening complications, there might also be the aspect of disabled people being _very_ susceptible to domestic abuse. And disabled men being abused by nondisabled women who are their partners is part of that...

This may be wishful thinking but maybe Carol/noelle mother isn’t a bad person, but she is a pretty bad parent. her version of parenting is her being a “ a army officer” to noelle. Given she dealing the lost daughter, Rudy being very sick and being a mayor. her flaw of being a parent are more noticeable. Good person or not one thing I can said she definitely the over bearing or controlling type

Imagine if kris was the knight and they were doing this because they wanted to cause a crisis to know who noelle's mom is to flirt with her.

I feel like the whole point is yes. Noelle is afraid of her mom