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Noise Generator PCBs from JLCPCB with GND Copper Area 

Julian Ilett
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The digital noise generator circuit (on breadboard) was highly susceptible to interference, which led to some excellent circuit bending. Will a PCB with a ground plane fix the interference "problem"?
ETI Vocoder constructional project reproduced with kind permission of Wimborne Publishing Ltd. www.epemag.com

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@Hagledesperado
@Hagledesperado 5 лет назад
You placed many traces on the underside of the board. If you had moved as many as possible to the top layer, you would have gotten a bigger, more uninterrupted ground plane, which is sort of important for shielding effectiveness. As it's a two layer board, you can also flood any remaining area on the top layer with GND or 5V for even more better. Nice board anyhoo.
@station240
@station240 5 лет назад
Or just put the copper pour on the top of the board.
@donvito1973
@donvito1973 5 лет назад
Oh come on Julian.. You had the scope out earlier, it's no use saying "Turning the volume up *sounds* like you get more high frequencies".. Let's see the FFT of it :-)
@rich1051414
@rich1051414 4 года назад
The thing is, the ears are always more sensitive to low frequencies at low volumes and high frequencies and high volumes. I agree he should have got out the scope instead of making assumptions.
@torstenb5248
@torstenb5248 5 лет назад
Big ground planes are supposed to reduce noise. Seems quite counter productive for a noise generator, doesn‘t it?
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett 5 лет назад
Don't you just love the irony :)
@torstenb5248
@torstenb5248 5 лет назад
Julian Ilett i do!
@rwils6333
@rwils6333 5 лет назад
You get a sinewave and square wave, so one that sounds like the ocean is called a sea wave.
@tirtagttech512
@tirtagttech512 5 лет назад
Haha
@lesleymunro4964
@lesleymunro4964 5 лет назад
While watching you solder the 2N3904, my thought was "Flux is your friend!" It'll help keep the solder separate, just like it does when you drag solder the SMD ICs.
@kellyfrench
@kellyfrench 5 лет назад
I thought 'why doesn't he use flux' while watching, so you weren't the only one.
@lesliepieterse1072
@lesliepieterse1072 5 лет назад
Glad to see the new solder is compatible with them old chips :)
@mcsniper77
@mcsniper77 5 лет назад
When you seal a vessel you typically seal moisture in not out, good on them for being aware of this and caring enough to counter it.
@stevehallam0850
@stevehallam0850 5 лет назад
The only sensible use for a tie clip! Very neat and nicely laid out pcb.
@dentakuweb
@dentakuweb 5 лет назад
You've created a linear feedback shingle beach sound generator.
@vstoykovbg
@vstoykovbg 5 лет назад
Is this deterministic noise or there is a chaos in the circuit making the noise "white" and unpredictable? I can't determine this at first glance. And the circuit is not very explanatory.
@pulesjet
@pulesjet 5 лет назад
Emmmmm You did't show the noise wave form on the scope ? A spectrum analyzer would be interesting to see.
@tengelgeer
@tengelgeer 5 лет назад
The user library symbol has power pins. They are just hidden. To use them or: a) Unhide them right click symbole -> Edit symbol... -> uncheck Hidden Pin b) How it's supposed to be used to keep it clean, use the same netnames in your schematic. Here (probably) VSS and VDD. Then the pins are automatically connected. Names in the same Edit symbol menu
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett 5 лет назад
Thanks - I'll have a play with that :)
@johnnodge4327
@johnnodge4327 5 лет назад
I'm thinking that the tone shift at the highest amplitude, is down to the speakers amplifier clipping, adding some sonic artefacts as it does so.
@line10cls
@line10cls 5 лет назад
if your audio output was the wrong way round just mount it on the other side of pcb.
@KennethNicholson1972
@KennethNicholson1972 5 лет назад
Hi Julian. At 46 I am pretty old to be making a start into the world of electronics but I have for this past year delved in and I have been building things on breadboard, as being disabled I do not get out much so I have plenty of time on my hands, and the hobby keeps my hands busy. I have not yet soldered up a ready made kit, but I have done a few home electronic repairs like replacing Caps in the TV and so on. I have learned a lot from your videos and enjoy them very much. Do you sell any of the kits you make? and if so are they just the PCB or do they come with all the components? Much love Brother, Ken, UK.
@KennethNicholson1972
@KennethNicholson1972 5 лет назад
@@Nordl3 I have no idea where to begin with PCB making, certainly can not afford a lazer printer and all the messy stuff to deal with. Just doing it for the fun of learning and enjoying physics. Plus, why would I want to buy 10 of the same thing with no components? lol. Its just that most of the available full kits I have found online are products I have no interest in, such as a device to use Leds as a dice. Neither am I interested in buying Arduino's and learning to program just to flash an LED. I am currently enjoying making noise circuits like oscillators and baby 8 sequencers and so on, which is why this noisy little device tickles my fancy. Be nice as a complete kit for the solder practice, and to make a noisy racket to annoy the Wife. lol. I also like guitar fx but I already have tons of the real things. I am going to put together my own mini synth with an effect bank at some point, but as yet I am still struggling to lay things out on protoboards. I get very confused, probably the meds. ha! Anyhow cheeriebye Noodle and thank you for your reply.
@SpeccyMan
@SpeccyMan 5 лет назад
@@KennethNicholson1972 That'd be laser printer. LASER is an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. Arduinos can do a lot more than just flash an LED. Since you mention oscillators, perhaps you ought to look into using an Arduino interfaced to a DDS signal generator. Alternatively, there is the Si5351 clock generator that gives you 3 channels of variable frequency square waves which could be filtered to make all kinds of weird and wonderful noises. If your mind is closed to possibilities you won't progress very far in the hobby. I'm 57 and just recently decided to learn to play the ukulele. Nothing is impossible! If you are struggling with the construction side of things, and it can be tricky for a beginner, maybe you could see if there is a local maker group near where you live. The big advantage there is you will come across like-minded folks who can help you out and access to equipment you don't possess to help with your projects.
@KennethNicholson1972
@KennethNicholson1972 5 лет назад
@@SpeccyMan I have no interest whatsoever in coding. None at all. Lots of fantastic musical synth wonders can be made without Arduino. Infact none of the classic synths ever had arduino inside.
@jslugbug37
@jslugbug37 5 лет назад
Wish has a lot of kits with components
@paulguy5368
@paulguy5368 5 лет назад
Kenny, if you haven't already done so you might want to take a look at Pete McBennett's synth (built on a breadboard). This is a newer version of his older synth and has three oscillators (two are drones). Great sound and a fun build.
@Sheevlord
@Sheevlord 5 лет назад
The kink might be caused by the ground loop introduced by the probe. If the ground lead is shorter it might not appear.
@melkiorwiseman5234
@melkiorwiseman5234 5 лет назад
If you can put up with always getting exactly the same pseudo-random noise sequence on each power-up, you can just program a PIC chip to simulate a 32-bit shift register with two of its outputs xored to its input. I know 'cos I did exactly that. The final circuit has just the 8-pin PIC and a small speaker connected between one of its output pins (ie a pin programmed to be an output) and ground, with an 18650 as the power supply (since the PIC I used will work down to around 2 volts). If you really, desperately need to filter out any DC, then you can add a small capacitor between the output pin and one speaker lead (or the amplifier, if you need a loud hiss). "Tuning" the circuit to give a slightly deeper sounding hiss involves nothing more than inserting a few "nop" instructions (no operation = do nothing) before the jump back to the start of the loop. Re: Short solder. I usually try using a pair of needle-nose pliers to hold the solder when it gets that short. You can also try resting the last scrap against the pin you're going to solder and applying the iron. (Yes, I'm a bit of a Scrooge too, when it comes to not wasting even that last tiny scrap of solder) :)
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 5 лет назад
Are you having good luck with those headphone jacks? I ordered in 10 of them a couple of years back, and then the quality of the traces was so poor that if my soldering iron drifted over 300C the traces came up and I had to figure another way to get the electricity to the pins. I used bodge wires to go from the pin over the back then to the tab that hooked to the desired part of the earphone plug. Don't think I will try any more of them, even with my new digital soldering iron I just don't trust that board any more.
@Brian_Of_Melbourne
@Brian_Of_Melbourne 5 лет назад
Disappointed not to see mounting holes, silk screen markings for the power ("+V" & "gnd") and output ("out" & "gnd") connectors, bulk decoupling for the board, and individual decoupling for each chip. Weird that the two chip footprints are using very different pads. Test point for the oscilator output?
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett 5 лет назад
Ah yes, the two different footprints - that was before I discovered the 'footprint manager' :)
@Brian_Of_Melbourne
@Brian_Of_Melbourne 5 лет назад
@@JulianIlett I still don't know why you didn't do a PCB for thos band pass filters you did on veroboard. What were there, 14 of them?
@6alecapristrudel
@6alecapristrudel 5 лет назад
Touching things adds capacitance to them, especially when touching multiple nodes at once. You're adding parasitics and the frequency changes. You can add a couple nF to a node with just a finger.
@PeterCCamilleri
@PeterCCamilleri 5 лет назад
You need not worry about providing a ground plane for the chips. The silicon die is almost always mounted to a grounded metal plate. The ground fill on the pcb is to protect traces from interference. Thus a socket is almost always the way to go.
@frazer26
@frazer26 5 лет назад
Iv have never gotten a pen from jlcpcb. Is it random if you get one?
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett 5 лет назад
I think I might be getting special treatment :)
@Okurka.
@Okurka. 5 лет назад
I got one in my first order. It's made out of cardboard and I doubt there's much ink in it.
@douro20
@douro20 5 лет назад
Why digital noise and not analog?
@delta-game
@delta-game 5 лет назад
Julian, why not panelize the pcb's? You could get four of those on one 10x10 pcb.... so you'd end up with 40 for the same price...
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett 5 лет назад
I don't need that many - 10 is more than enough :)
@Okurka.
@Okurka. 5 лет назад
JLCPCB charges $14 for panelized boards. Julian would have to pay 7x as much for 4x as many boards...
@airwavested
@airwavested 5 лет назад
For what the boards cost you should have bought another 10 without the ground plane to test against each other.
@thulinp
@thulinp 5 лет назад
The transistor pads are awkwardly close. This is why you usually see the base pin pulled back a bit, forming a triangle.
@neiltonks
@neiltonks 5 лет назад
I noticed when I had some made up. Even though I used the footprint from their data base, I think it'll be a struggle to solder it. I remade them, deleted the footprint and just put 3 pads instead
@yorgle
@yorgle 5 лет назад
@@neiltonks I used that footprint for my board recently too. thinking "oh, this will be easier to deal with as i won't have to splay-out the transistor pins!" not thinking at all that it would make soldering slightly more tedious there. ;D oops. My first ever board, so... live and learn!
@neiltonks
@neiltonks 5 лет назад
@@yorgle mine too! It's all Bigclive's fault
@urugulu1656
@urugulu1656 5 лет назад
i hate this triangular layout. takes much longer than all in a straight line straight line but bent a bit outwards is nice and quick to do
@urugulu1656
@urugulu1656 5 лет назад
you need 2 ics one transtor and a awful amount of passives for a white noize generator? come one 2 transistors 2 resistors and one cap do the job equally good... i build that on a 2 by 3 cm piece of perf board
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 5 лет назад
Cool use of the tie clip! Love it! Say I was going to order some PCB's from jlcpcb but when it came check out, the shipping seemed rather high, well extremely high compared to most of the things I get from China and Laos, that region. Am I missing a button or something, it's not like I need overnight or even rush delivery, a slow-boat from china would work for most of my needs, seems my urge for speed has gone by the wayside in my old age, and the need for funds far outweigh such needs for speed. They look to be great little boards but it's sort of like the adds on Ebay showing a nice phone for 6 bucks then when you see the shipping is $300.00 you sort of understand that it is really click bait.
@BertGrink
@BertGrink 5 лет назад
@Julian Ilett I think the higher amount of high-frequency noise that occurs as the volume is turned up may have something to do with the human ear's tendency to emphasise mid-range sounds at lower levels, as determined in 1933 by Harvey Fletcher and Wilden A. Munson. Their research resulted in the so-called Fletcher-Munson curves, which in turn gave rise to 'loudness' circuits in many types of amplifiers for home use. More info about this can be found here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher%E2%80%93Munson_curves Interesting video by the way; are you designing a modular synthesizer? Greetings from Denmark.
@leepshin
@leepshin 5 лет назад
Julian would you be able to do a walkthrough on how circuits are created like maybe a guitar effects pedal, explaining how you know how each component is going to behave in relation to each other and how you work out what the end result is going to be? (I'm a big Clive fan as well by the way)
@premvrihana4040
@premvrihana4040 4 года назад
Where is Gerber files
@AThreeDogNight
@AThreeDogNight 5 лет назад
I've been thinking lately about finding the old women's hair clips which were extra long to use for holding in the resistors when soldering. That's if I can find some. They were really long ones.
@God-CDXX
@God-CDXX 5 лет назад
can i buy 2 of these boards
@TheDutyPaid
@TheDutyPaid 5 лет назад
What happen to your nice soldering iron?
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett 5 лет назад
It's working fine:)
@jkmacgyver
@jkmacgyver 5 лет назад
sponsored into using these USB toy gimmicks... fine for field repair where you can't use butane for whatever reason/otherwise a joke. You can get a real temp controlled soldering station at a higher power much cheaper but it doesn't have OLED wankery and reprogrammable firmware.
@benjamincrall8065
@benjamincrall8065 5 лет назад
What voltage do you run your iron at?
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett 5 лет назад
18V - From a power tool battery.
@benjamincrall8065
@benjamincrall8065 5 лет назад
@@JulianIlett I use 18v too, but mine never gives me any problems with big pads, I also set mine at 380, though
@the2d
@the2d 2 года назад
I made the 909 version of this with 2x 4006 chips and no interference on my breadboard
@althuelectronics5158
@althuelectronics5158 5 лет назад
Naice your video am happy super
@josephnealescratchcards
@josephnealescratchcards 5 лет назад
Awesome video as always
@LemoUtan
@LemoUtan 5 лет назад
No more Orac disconnection squeak then? :(
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett 5 лет назад
Much less pronounced :)
@pvc988
@pvc988 5 лет назад
With 32kHz quartz resonator you could get the oscillator much more stable and maybe free up one xor gate and get rid of that transistor.
@ollieb9875
@ollieb9875 5 лет назад
OOOOOooooooo It's the *TIE CLIP!!!*
@ArjanvanVught
@ArjanvanVught 5 лет назад
You should panelize those boards ;-) Then you are getting 10 panels with several of your boards ...
@station240
@station240 5 лет назад
The PCB factories have taken to charging extra for panelize boards, even if you make the panel yourself.
@Okurka.
@Okurka. 5 лет назад
Right, JLCPCB now charges $14 for panelized boards instead of $2.
@twotone3070
@twotone3070 5 лет назад
"Come sleep on the beach, keep within my reach"
@BadChizzle
@BadChizzle 4 года назад
I know I’m late to the game... but... if you leave long Legs on all your components sort of as on the breadboard... you may get fun things happening. Hmmmmmmmmm ... ... you might even bypass some traces, making long airborne runs... as on the breadboard. Hmmmmmmm 🤔🧐🤷🏻‍♂️✨ have fun!
@markgreco1962
@markgreco1962 5 лет назад
Theremin sounds by Julian “Jimmy Page” Ilett
@BadChizzle
@BadChizzle 4 года назад
It was talking...
@maicod
@maicod 5 лет назад
awww no cute theremin muzak anymore :-)
@certified-forklifter
@certified-forklifter 5 лет назад
hey cool!
@Chriva
@Chriva 5 лет назад
"Loud noises!!"
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