Nice review Doug. The saw community is only interested in honesty. He has never tore down any of his saws to show the quality he speaks of. You never mentioned his name or channel. You have nothing to worry about.
Indian Doug did a very respectable observation of the Noker 381. I think many of us have stumbled across someone trying to sale Nokers in our feed in the last few months. In that time we have been told these are Pro Grade. When anyone asks a question or has a comment that isn’t like, the person erases the question or comment then try’s to belittle them with a follow up video. The way he has handled a review should tell everyone all the need to know. I’m not sure why anyone would want any part of dealing with a person that goes off the rocker like this.
Excellent job, Doug! Nothing wrong with a cheap clone saw. But a cheap clone saw being passed off as a superior quality unit for double the cost...no good. Dirty. Glad to see an honest review of these over priced saws.
@fabzacres-blackcat you’re the only loudmouth, do you try and start crap for attention? Nobody respects people like that man don’t you get it? I know you have the potential to build good work saws, I’ve seen it! Why don’t you concentrate on that more instead of being a troll?
Thanks Doug. Hopefully the Nokers get better and the prices come down. Until then Hollzforma/Farmertech and Neotec/Farmac appear to be better quality and lower priced.
That cylinder is terrible. Rough casting is one thing, but the plating chipping off is unacceptable. It was painful to watch that thing cut. Thanks for taking the time to do this tear down.
I do too, love the color scheme! It’s too bad really. I like tinkering but I was seriously scared this thing would hang a ring when running it. Which doesn’t matter bc that top end ain’t staying in it🤣 neither is the crank, bearings, seals, carb, oiler, bar adjuster, or air filter. Maybe the clutch. What a great buy huh?🤦🏻♂️
Interesting tear down nice job. I for one do have stihl clones, got a 660 and 381 which I run alongside the Stihl 660 and Husqvarna 592XP and 572XP. I tend use the clones in high risk areas were there might be a chance of the saw getting accidentally crushed or damaged, cheaper to replace than the genuine saws. Cheers
What he claims might be believable if there were some kind of differences, such as a different casting somewhere or that says hey, this might have been improved. Like neotec did with the obvious change in fuel/oil caps! Along with several other upgrades. Thanks for sharing👍🏻
My pleasure. Yeah if people see positive changes, they’ll be more inclined to purchase. They’ll realize the company cares more about the product being sold.
Mr. Doug, the Neotec also has a high quality NGK spark plug. That handle pull on the Neotec was impressive. A port timing comparison would be interesting as well. I have never run a Neotec saw but have sawn linear miles with FARMERTEC. I would agree clones are for the mechanically inclined. This is a very tastefull review and mirrors the running performance of other NOKER 381 running videos I have watched. Well done...
You've mentioned the reason why I don't touch this stuff. I don't wanna mess wich wrenches and screwdrivers too often. I'll clean the chainsaw, I'm decent with a file, but there is no way I'll deal with a carb that goes out of tune every five minutes and so on. I'd rather cook at home for a while to save some money and get the real deal. It saves my mental health, wich is worth more than a chainsaw. Yeah, they all break at some point and I feel than even on the top brands the quality isn't what it used to be, but I'm pretty sure they'll last a heck of a lot more than clones. Have a good one everybody.
Good job on showing the true condition of the saw and parts i think that there was thought that everyone wasnt hip to clone saws and he was gonna pull a fast one on people and try and make a killing and hes pissed cause he has been busted out alot of con men out there i say bust em out every time they call it drama but they create by be dishonest good job
Well well Mr. m and w plugging these Noker joker saw's for quit a bit more money than the other clone saw's on the market aren't so special after all. He is like the elixir salesman of old that used to travel from town to town and hang around outside the circus tent selling miracle cure's to what ailed you. This guy has reinvented himself into a modern day version, only difference is he's selling chainsaw's to the unsuspecting or at least trying to; then get's mad and bully's anyone who shine's a light on his antic's in the shadow's like all snake oil salesmen do. Nice job turning on the big spot light, take care.
Clones do have their place with people who need a large saw and don't have over a thousand dollars to pay for one. I just purchased a ProMac 660 with a 36-inch bar to help remove some very large blow downs on my farm. Really have no need for the saw other than that or perhaps a little milling on those large trees. Very good video.
I went and priced out big saws about two or three weeks ago when I had the funds to do so. The two I looked at were the MS 400C and MS 462C, I spoke with the guy at the counter at our local Runnings store for a bit before I decided to hold off and do some research. Which, to be honest, I'm glad I did. Because instead of pulling the trigger I found out by some others here on YT their few dislikes about the MS 400C. Which are a cheap plastic handle and a weak bar oiler, also the biggest bar you can buy in stock configuration is a measly 20" bar for such a big saw. If you wanted a 25" bar you had to ask the Stihl rep to sell it to you or you couldn't get one otherwise. I compared the 400C to a couple of ECHO's as well and found that I could get a CS-680P with a 28" bar for about $700 or I could get the CS-7310P for the same $1,000 with a 24" bar. So just from my own personal searching and shopping about I've concluded that the 400C is a total waste of money, I don't care if you're a full time professional. If you're laying down that kind of scratch there shouldn't be any plastic anywhere besides your tank caps and air filter shroud. You also shouldn't be limited to a measly 20" bar on such a big saw if it's suppose to be "Pro Grade". I'm currently working on an old 026 which has a 20" bar and it's only a 48cc saw. So as far as a big saw for me I think I'm going to steer well clear of Stihl and either get a NEOTEC clone or maybe an ECHO for a brand name. The NEOTEC is very enticing because of its' price, but I'm also really wanting to try an ECHO. Either way I'll have to order them both from the internet, what few ECHO dealers we have around here don't carry the big saws.
@@Slane583 I love Echoes and have 3 of them two small ones and a mid-range. I bought a MS660 clone made by NeoTech with the FarmMac brand. Have yet to start it. It's heavy and a beast. Looks great though. I am 75 years old and must admit I may not have the muscle to pull that rope well enough. It is weight forward heavy with a 36-inch bar. I expect it will be fine. I won't really need it until cutting up a 31-inch-wide fall down that came down in a storm. I would have preferred to by an Echo but honestly, I just don't have the money for a saw I may not use very much.
@@garrytalley8009 I love my MS251 even if it is only a 45cc saw. I bought it new off the showroom floor back in 2015 well before I was working full time. I really wanted a new chainsaw of my own without having to borrow someone else's so I saved every penny I got my hands on from doing odd jobs for people. Of course I've added a few older saws to the collection after buying the MS251 since I have been working full time. Those I've been slowly working on recently to get them up and running. So I have plenty of good saws in the 45/48cc range. Now I'm looking for something in the 67/72cc range to fell big trees for either lumber or firewood that isn't going to be used as often as the smaller saws. That's kind of why I'm leaning toward the NEOTEC. They seem to have decent build quality for the price and because they're Chinese saws you're literally buying a old reliable design of Stihl's the EPA no longer deems worthy of emissions. But I also like trying new things and I'd really like to try a large cc ECHO. Either way I'll have to order them from the internet. :)
The guy at runnings is full of it, you can buy a 25 or 28” bar on the 400 and it will oil it enough. Also the oiler out of a 461 will bolt in and make it oil 32-36”. 67cc isn’t a big saw and in stock form a 28” is plenty on it.
Hold on, that metal and wood guy claims that "you got 2 noker saws from a third party." Then he claims "that those 2 saws are his property and he wants them back." That guy really is a nut job 😅 Not sure how he can think that lol
Thanks for this. 1st thing i do when i get mine is strip it down and radius those ports with all the other 2 stroke secret sauce. The barrel can do with a flat stone honing to clean up that plating issue afterwards. Nice cheap toy if properly given a once over before using it.
Once over is given to most clone cylinders. The Nokers I’ve seen, need more help. And with the plating pealing off before porting, your already playing with fire so to speak.
@@IndianaDoug with once over I mean more in line with properly radiused ports. Doing the plating is last if needed and there are very interesting coatings out there that can build up a few thousands Clearance on a worn out Cillinder on a 1 of 1 type scenario for collectors. It's just combining knowledge from other industry's to open a new Era of engine repairs that anybody can do if they know about companys x and z
Just reviewing a saw like I’ve done for years now. Somehow this one didn’t go over so well with a couple others. Heck, they’re mad? I bought this pc of junk!🤦🏻♂️🤣
@@IndianaDoug yup “said people” are delusional if they think “said Chinese company” is gonna produce a “higher quality cylinder or whatever part” just for “said person” like that would require every chainsaw to be touched up with the cylinder work which would take a good bit of time and extra expense to the manufacturer. I don’t think some understand it’s very cheap “pot metal” which is ok and nothing wrong with that. But also the casting die is probably straight up junk and beat to hell and back. It’s just a cheep chainsaw nothing special. For sure not pro grade.
Hi there again doug, these Holtzfformas, Ive noticed there very popular over there, the ones we buy here look very similar, but we buy them through a distributor in Christchurch NZ, as KNK Power saws, apparently there made for the US and Spanish markets. Still gud saws ive had my two for 4 and 2 years now, and full parts back up. I wonder if they all come out a similar factory in china
There are many parts manufacturers in China that build like items. Most companies will just brand them different. Some don’t however, some actually care about quality and look to foreign engineers to help with the process. There’s a huge stigma that all Chinese goods are junk. They make what we tell them to, our greed is more of an influence than you might think. Very unfortunate.
Hey there Doug… what was the price tag on that one??? Looks like a typical Chinese special??!? What are the price points on those two other models that you are showing???? They are all 038’s?!! I can see that they have different quality plastic covers but doe’s the orange one come from the factory with beautiful bevels cut around the port window’s and the edges eased over nicely??? What did it cost???
I havent seen a pro grade China saw yet. Like I said many times. You are better off buying a used pro saw then a new China copy. Good review. That chipping is a problem . It will shorten the life of that saw. Cheers
100% agree. NOTHING beats OEM in chainsaws. With me, I like tinkering and learning, so I will encourage folks to buy cheap for the same, then work their way up to OEM. You screw up a AM part, it’s not so costly to replace.
I bought that older version of the Neotec ns872 and I can't find your tear down and review. Could you please give me a link to that video? I would really like to know what issues it has and what I need to fix them. I haven't ran it yet, though it looks like someone at Neotec has ran it a little. I really appreciate any help I can get to make this saw run well and last. Thank you.
Yes. I had Charles Brisco completely tear one down actually. Here’s the video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FyuqY8epUUE.htmlsi=hdOuVI5rgMWZvZ2D
About what I thought! Doug tells it like it is… excellent! Some blowhard on the tube was / is trying to pass these things off as superior quality! What a crock! Thanks to Doug for this true reveal!
Just learned that Consumer reports could not review the Noker chain saws due to law suits involving Noker rebranded for Harbor Freight. No details really because of ongoing litigation. Couldn't find out who U.S. distributor...apparently several hundred people claim exclusive distributorship. Wow
wow what a saw. it might be why the fella wont send out any saws for review. :( it did look ok until that cylinder [stuff happens] mighta been an alibaba bought saw? I was going to buy there, but am glad to see another step up to the risk. :) Id still like to see if the little 5800 saw noker has is a good one? Im waiting to see that 5800 or whatever it is. I do like the little saws, just a gamble, but if the price is right, I might bite. :) I like my NT6200 w/ 20" bar n chain - its been a fun runner. also have the F380 and it is nice as well. had an FT g444 that was a fine machine [just didnt like the dealer] (he didnt like me either - so 0 service from him) I am staying tuned to see how the chainsaw turns. this is some fine entertainment. my thought is these saws will get better as the other copy saws have been doing. or they will fall as others do that are unwilling to upgrade
@@IndianaDoug yes they do look good, from the little Ive seen of them. I do like my NT 6200, but if its better? Id like to play with it awhile. But at a fair cost ;) just dont need to buy 10 of them to see lol some might like those bigger saws, I ran one for work already , so now Im fine with a light saw and its limitations. * im a bit limited too. :o
I'm amazed the person shilling these had no idea about stratification on new saws vs the older ones. Pretty common knowledge I would think for an expert on pro saws. Also I bet he hasn't used any saw day in day out to know any real world use issues we all deal with.
Well that was impressive ..... NOT . I thought they were as good or better than OEM ...... NOT . This guy get what he deserves . Selling junk and claiming it's not . Trying to deceive people with garbage . Good job Doug , you were right all along .
I don’t even pay attention to that stuff tbh. Apparently that Bradley guy just put a video out showing the 2 saws that are supposed to be in my possession. I’m over here doing me, I’m not concerned about all that drama.
@@jonathanfierberg3807are you being sarcastic or just delusional? I was warning metal and wood it wasn't good for his health 2 months ago to worry about what everyone says or does
Have you ran any of the holzforma saws? I got a g372 a few months ago and it’s ran great for me so far… but jw if you’ve had and ran any , and what your thoughts are on them
Yes I’ve ran every model they have except for their newest G395. Overall great for the price. When I first got the G372 there were a lot of issues but they seemed to work them all out. I got nothin but love for that brand. I’m not loyal to any clone brand, I’m just on a Neotec kick because they’ve treated me so well.
I can’t keep up with all the accusations to be honest. That guy needs to get a life and worry more about learning how chainsaws work and less about me. He’s obsessed😆
No, no, no Doug - you got it all wrong. See there are 3 to 5 different levels of quality in these Noker saws (and please stop me if you're heard my ex-snake oil salesman's pitch before!). When ordering your Noker saw you need to clearly specify which of the 3 to 5 quality levels you want to receive! You'll know when you get the highest quality, pro level, pro grade, professional saw as it'll be the one with the blue tape on the chain brake assay!!!! 😉😉
the fine print -- just so I don't get a wild pack of copyright lawyers unleashed on my a$$ - I'll give all due credit for this content to Mr Richard Flagg, Owner & Operator of Hacker Saws Inc.
Doug this guy is doing my head in now bud . What's this shit he is starting a lawsuit against you and accusing you of sabotage along with this guy Simmons. He is absolutely delusional. Majorpix cut all ties because he is a troublemaker and liar . I need to watch this video because i don't remember you saying where or how you got this saw . I mean sabotage absolutely ridiculous honestly he is an absolute banger
That’s what I said in the video at 8:34 Typical Stihl starting sequence. When I took the carb off, the switch worked correctly, but when it’s on, you can only get one up and one down. The carb won’t accept all the positions.
Doug...Some more info on his 8/21 video and DDSNAG post: Hey fan boy...You need to go back and review the video. The Noker is throwing the same size chips as the Neotec, just not as fast or in the same quantity because the chain speeds are tremendously different in favor of the Neotec Doug used the exact same Stihl ES bar on both saws and I would presume he used the same chain; he has no reason to swap chains. In fact after the several cuts with the Noker the chain would not be as sharp which would be a disadvantage to the Neotec. He also "dogs" the Neotec trying to make it run as poorly as the Noker just to prove how poorly that saw was performing versus another chinesium saw. Steve tries to make a big issue that this "stolen saw" did not have a good carb. No shit, but that is what Doug was showing. He could only offer his opinion on what he had. Maybe if he had a couple hundred of these "pro, world's best" saws to test he would find some that perform better than the one he tested. You need to learn something about chainsaws before offering comments that are easily refuted!
Ah I remember this one and well said. There’s absolutely nothing I would’ve done differently in any of my reviews. I can’t please everyone, but that’s not what a review is about🤷🏻♂️. It’s about exactly what you said; showing what I had on hand. I was seriously wanting the Noker to be better because it’s a cool looking saw, and if it were, I certainly would’ve showed that. I’ve been doing reviews for years and have built up a certain level of trust within my viewers. I can guarantee nobody would be upset at my review if they had not been so invested in the brand. Not my fault. Like I said in my review, “don’t kill the messenger.”
I think that EVERYONE should agree that there's something extremely unstable with this guy. I would suggest giving him zero engagement or attention. I know its hard when someone is things thar are completely outta pocket to the rest of the community. I personally find it humorous how much energy & effort he puts into being a spectacle on a public stage. At some point he will tuck his tail between his legs and walk off. If he was smart.... but I'm not a gambling man and the odds of that dont seem good.
Sorry for duplicate comments, Doug, but seeing how you did this video, would you consider doing a video on one of those Hanakawa Chinese clones? :) Also, how would you say the cylinder quality on the 872i is compared to that noker? Ive heard the 872i, like the farmmac's, are closer to OEM then FTs g388?
@IndianaDoug How's about one of those "62cc" Huyosen saws from Amazon? I've got one, and even though you're more geared towards OEM, I'd love to see and hear your thoughts on it. I've had zero issue with mine so far, strong little zenoah clone. I'm happy with it, honestly
WTH is a Noker you ask? A noker was simply a soldier, in the Turkic languages spoken in Mongolia and the Eurasian steppe. Most of the Turkic languages use the term alp for soldiers now, but Mongolian still uses the word noker.
It makes me wonder if Steve may not really know about the quality of chainsaw components. He may have the best intentions but has been told over and over by these manufacturers that their stuff is the best, he believes it and now here we are. I don't really think he is intentionally misleading anyone. If he truly knew these were junk he would know after a few sales people would figure it out and his business would be done. I think he may have good intentions and he truly believes these are a higher quality. He has been taken advantage of by these shady manufacturers.
@@metalandwood4u here conman you called out a respectable small engine mechanic for hiding or deleting comments and that's all you do on your channel I asked to see these clown saws being run you said there was loads of videos and I was a liar . But I had to search back over a year ago to see any . You are trying to sell 5800 saws as pro grade ffs . You want more than double the price that farmertec or neotec want for these things..tell you what give doug a 660 and a 372 for him to break down and see what's the quality. Because the last person you did this too seems to have deleted those videos for some strange reason. If they are that good do it give doug a saw or 2 put your saws to the test and not your mouth because I don't think anyone believes your bull
You must not have seen all dudes stuff then. If it’s not intentional misrepresentation then why won’t he disassemble multiple unopened saws all different ones. We don’t want to see purchased cylinders still in the plastic wrap. 100% intentionally misleading people about products imo.
Doug...Steve keeps removing my posts so I wrote this on his August 12th post and copied it here before he takes it down: Steve...Seems very confusing but the more important issues that your "lawsuit" is allegedly based upon and that you pontificate on eventually gets refuted. You stated that you "knew" that the cylinder that Doug showed wasn't a Noker because the Noker cylinders have radiused/rounded bases. Well, the Noker cylinders in these pictures and those of your video on 8/12 have cut bases unless I am missing something. You also keep looking for the "yellow paint" on the top of the cylinder that somehow gets burnt off in your videos. Well I reviewed Doug removing the cylinder bolts and sure enough, right on the top of the cylinder is the "yellow dot." And while maybe not the exact same degree of poor casting as Doug's if I ever got a Meteor, Hyway, NWP, or other quality aftermarket supplier's cylinder that looked as bad as these cylinders I'd return it. So did he steal extra cylinders from you also. The only thing remarkable that I notice different is his had the plating starting to fail.
I knew this guy Steve was full of it . There was also another chanel ,major pix that tore down 2 saws and gave them a great review. But the video's have somehow disappeared
It's interesting to see that I'm not the only one who noticed that those videos vanished. Especially since I distinctly remember watching those videos.
@richardsneddon2976 Ironically enough, it's been the same deal with me. Asked him multiple times, but either he isn't replying, or my comments somehow isn't getting through. Rather strange how he went from endorsing these particular clones to now refusing to speak of them it seem's.
Honestly even the name “NOKER” makes one suspicious! Doug even the guy on You Tube has stated he had gone through like 6 of those saws to get one to work correctly and I think he had taken different parts off each saw to make one good one! So if it’s a $99 saw well then that’s one thing but to even call it a clone of a good saw well you said it all in your video!
@@IndianaDoug Now the guy is trying to run you in the mud and saying he’s going to sue you! He has said he has lots of money tied up with the people that mfg.the saw and he says “NO ONE” has purchased one from him and he’s supposed to have exclusive rights to the saw over here in America!
I don’t mess with any of his banter. I’m over here working 50+ hrs a week, paying my bills, being a dad, and cutting firewood to heat my stove this winter. Got no time for people like him.
Dudes lying his ass off to the people and now the proof is in the pudding! He tells them best in the world professional saw! Lmao!!! Worst cylinder I've ever seen right there!
Looks like a boomer fueled pyramid scheme that had only one dude in the pyramid. I bet that contact on Alibaba laughed all the way to the bank. The best part is when a fool doubles down in desperation. I take too much pleasure in watching this unravel.
Gonna take a lot of work to make it decent. Might get by with a new crank, bearings, seals, piston, cylinder, carb, bar adjuster, and carb. But honestly only an OEM saw would be worth sinking that money into.
China unloading more of their cheap junk on us.... sometimes im ashamed that I own several clone saws, but some of the Holzforma saws are pretty darn good for 1/4 the price of the big H or S so its real hard to resist 😂
I tried everything to tune it out and that’s literally the best it will perform. Lean it out? Falls on its face, more fuel? Falls on its face. I had to find a happy medium so it would cut.
