BLUE THUNDER!!! Logging with a $320 ms460 clone with Mitch Zenobi. Reviewing the Holzfforma G466 

Sawyer from Montana here, that Mitch Zenobi guy is a badass. I don't think I've seen someone fell so precisely with such little effort ever in my life. Fun video, thanks

My youngest son has got this and ported, polished, tuned exhaust using it for one of his milling saws. Its a beast and still kicking after 2 yrs.

10 years ago the clones were 99 bucks free shipping. Bought two and they still run. I even keep them outside in the elements. They always start and run lol

I am enjoying watching a new generation of Arborists using the latest technology, tools, gear, and knowledge. Taking tree work to a new level. Sure helps having the internet for getting what you are doing to all of us out there. Am 72, became a licensed Arborist in Ct. back in 1981. Mostly Consult these days, and Tree Warden in my town. In the Ct Statutes outlining the duties of a Tree Warden, the one I am really fond of is “responsible for roadside beauty.” Can’t beat that for part of your job description.

I'm really digging the direction of this new channel and how it's playing out. It really showcases the personalities in the tree work industry. It keeps it "fresh", that's an old 80's term for all you youngsters out there. Thanks for sharing Jake and thanks for the long videos. Nothing worse than getting into a video and then poof, it's over. Take care fella!

I live in New Zealand, and thoroughly enjoying this new "Guilty of Treeson" RU-vid Channel. You have a relaxing, engaging way of communicating your message. It also looks like you have a real "community" of saw men in your part of the world. Great to watch and hear.

I run a old MS460 that has a big bore 54mm kit on it and it does pretty well. Its a hand-me-down saw that was owned by my father who rebuilt it. It was given to him by an old Korean war vet who actually was the one who taught my dad how to fall and cut trees (when he moved to my state before I was born our house had a wood fireplace and he would buy cords of wood prior to him meeting the family friend.) The family friend passed away at age 88. He was slinging around a old 088 until he was 80 or so. I will always treasure this saw.

If anyone gets one of these, tuning these was interesting. We put a tach on mine and it was about 8k on the high end. That's how much they had it tuned down. I think we ended up going 11.5-12k to stay safe. Huge difference.

That saw held up rather well to be compared to a big ported stihl. My buddy bought a holzforma saw had is 3 years now still runs good. I'm a stilh tech were a licensed Stihl dealer I'm always working on them. Love the content. We're going to buy a couple holzforma saws and throw em into rental see how they hold up.

I have the 660 version, for what it is I really like it. Cut a decent amount of wood with it. The cheesy little gas can for mine though was a mix jug. Filled the small side to the line for the ratio you want and the bog side with gas then shake the can and it auto mixes. Cheesy but cool lol

By far the coolest guy you have worked with since stepping away from east side. Keep up the cool vids man 🤙

This is gold!! The 90cc ported saw is sick. I thought Ricky Carmichael was riding by

That big Stihl was insanely powerful. It went through a huge trunk like butter.

I bought a Holzfforma G372 about four years ago and it’s now my “Go to” saw. I’m a Stihl guy but I had a Husky bar & chain and for about 190 bucks and free shipping I took a chance. Break them in and get the carb adjusted right and they’re great saws. If need be, there’s always my Stihl 461 to fall back on. Great video. Just subscribed!

Keep in mind, Gents. Apples to Apples. To look at efficiency and speed, you'd need to have the same bar, same chain, and ... same RPM ... for each saw, to have a direct comparison. 90 cc can pull more teeth through a piece of wood, but 75 cc could do it faster, if the RPM's were higher. Sorry, I'm a science guy. Thanks for the video, though. Nice to meet ya, Mitch!

Reading forces of standing wood is one thing but reading forces in laying wood is often far more complex! We can fuss and fuss over how to fell the tree then move into bucking with no regard or fear of the outcome. All said I enjoy your videos and you do quality work!

"I pounded my wedge a little too far. Stupid chinese saw" XD Seemed to handle that 32 inch bar pretty well actually.

The main thing that you get from the Farmertec/Holzfforma products is inconsistency, which is likely because they skimp on quality assurance as a way to drop the price point. So some people say they're great and some people say they're junk because that's what their individual unit was like. But because they're completely compatible clones, you can swap OEM or other aftermarket parts on to them, and some choice replacements with OEM can make all the difference. In particular, the aftermarket carbs are really hit-or-miss, so replacing it with an OEM can make a world of difference and the saw will still be a great deal.

@25:45 great advice, after watching your vids I tackled a few smaller gum trees all leaning on a hill. They kept falling the opposite way which was not a problem as we were in the bush and knew it was going that way. Great tip to avoid that

I feel like this is the saw you keep in your truck box of your pick up if you live in a rural area but go into town a lot. Or on your tractor/atv. Its good enough and big enough to do some unexpected work or clear a fallen tree off the road but cheap enough where if stolen or damaged you don't lose too much sleep over it.

Happy to help you out (💰) and I really love this channel,it covers all aspects of the tree removal process. Good luck to everyone that entered the raffle.

Your boy Paul Bunyan rocking the Stihl logo on his helmet like he’s in the NFL No wonder he hates on blue thunder

Had my eye on one these for a few months now, cool to see more content on RU-vid about these saws.

Man.. I'm sooo sorry for your loss... I'm gonna start watching this channel now... And forever

UGH!!! missed the raffle!! It's ok though really loving the new channel, thanks for sharing all the fun and really great info/instruction/tech tips.

I've had a blue 372xp clone with a 52mm big bore kit for over 2 years now and well over 60gallon of fuel. No real issues. Pull cord broke (that happens on OEM too) Now I have 4 clone 372s and a real 372 as well People tend to hate these saws. But if you actually spend time with them. They ain't so bad I've had great success

The ported 660 is just such a hot saw 😂😂😂. Just when i was like, man that thing’s doing good, then outcomes the 660. Terrible comparison but great to see the difference 😂. Love the vid

That Mitch has mad skills! Great video Jacob, your editing just keeps getting better and better 👍 👍

I've had 3 460's ...they are great light saw's, for limbing and running around with a 24" bar compared to the 660/880 ... with a barker box and square ground chain it's my favourite saw.

From what I've seen with these and the NeoTec, they seem like they'd be good for people who need bigger saws occasionally, but can't justify the $1000-1500 price point of a Stihl. Plus, I think they'd be a good option for a saw that you can upgrade with better parts here and there over time...

I have a g444 (ms440 clone). I’ve probably cut 50+ cords of hardwoods and dropped some trees with it. I’ve had to replace the handle since it bent and the worm gear just broke (replaced with a Amazon no name). It almost keeps up with my ms462 with a 25” bar. And I don’t have to worry about a $1100+ saw bouncing around when I’m on my tractor.

I’ve said it before but I would really love a review on the 592 as well! I prefer your reviews because the saw actually gets used and worked instead of cutting a few cookies. Thanks for another great video - they keep getting better and better 😀

You can definitely tell Mitch has been behind a stump a few times. Great job guys!

Enjoyed the video - you folks are having way too much fun. Really appreciate the narrative explaining why you do things the way you do. Cheers and all the best!

I remember have a big branch come down over our drive way years ago and my chainsaw was in for repairs and I was so broke and desperate to get the branch off the drive way that I spent $90 on a small budget chainsaw. It cut up the branch great but then never started again after that.

Mitch's saw eats through that tree like a hot knife in butter!

Even though it wasn’t stock I was honestly surprised how well that saw held up, especially after attaching the 32” bar. A good chain on a shitty saw goes a long way.

This comment is not relevant to the saw, but I wanted to say last year my m390 blew up and I replaced it with a m462-cm and immediately put WCS dogs and barkbox on it. After cutting with for a season I'm a customer for life. Gordy makes excellent products that actually perform as intended and described.

36:00 the MOST satisfying cut I've seen haha

Love the videos!!! I bought a g660 over a month ago. It's working great so far . Knock on wood! Lol I really like it actually. I am a stihl guy but can't afford that big saw from stihl.

The little bottle they come with is a mixing bottle. They work really well if you only need a bit of fuel or need to mix a richer or leaner mix for something specific. Edit as a stihl technician. I’ve seen brand new 462 500 and 390 blown up after a few hours.

I have a G660 3rd generation that has about 6 tanks of gas through it. From the store it ran rich and I left it there for two tanks and leaned it some. It’s running strong on 24 to 30 inch rounds so far.

“But this is what I could afford “ never been a more real statement lmao

i bought the 372xp clone 3 years ago and the 272 clone 2 years ago have ran the saws hard maintained them never had a single issue im gonna be buying more soon probably the mt200 clone to replace my actual mt200 i love the holzfforma saws and you can replace parts on them with oem sthil and husky parts also might get the same saw you have in this video keep up the good content!!!

I picked up a g660 about 2 years ago for home use. I've not had a single issue with it. Always starts, runs well, hasn't failed me at all. My buddy got one and had some fuel leaks he needed to fix right away.

Got me a 660 blue boy , also have 4 of the real ones . Blue boy in box till rainy day . Got my son the 372 blue boy . And he has had no problems with it . Always been a husky , jonsered guy . Loving the 2165. And 2172 ,great saws in my book . Finaly broke down got a 462cm . After 30 trees down with it . I’m thinking this is now my favorite saw . At 58 and 138 lbs .my 661 all day gets to my little hips and shoulder . The suspension in 462 is incredible . As for the blue boys ,put oem chain tensioner , better spikes . And if carb needs adjusting a lot . Buy the walbro or tillotson real carb for it and you should not have any issues . Can’t say it’s as good as stihl or husky , but price wise , with new carb and tensioner . For weekend guy it’s no brainer .its literally a third of the price from real. But it’s not quite a real one .

I got mine 2 years ago. My only problem so far was the chain tensioner. It was pot metal. I put a stihl tensioner in it. No more problems. With anything else. Im a happy customer. Saved 900$

I think it is so great that you get to travel and check out how other men like Mitch work. I am sure you learn something new everywhere you go. Great job!

Looks like the Chiner saw did ok. I have an 046 Stihl that I've been running for 27 years. Starter ropes and clutches are the only thing it's ever needed, besides routine maintenance. It has thousands of hours on it. Still runs great and has 135 lbs of compression. I'll run it till she blows. Might buy a Chiner saw.

Oh man, such top quality content... thanks for taking the time to make itl!

I bet these guys like playing with eachothers wood, most flamboyant tree cutters

I gotta say for a 76cc compared to a ported 96 it carried that aggressive chain without bogging much, just wanna see long-term use and overall life expectancy of a knock off

Thanks for the fun video, and for *not* being yet another gear snob who labels these blue saws trash without even owning one. 👍 I got the G388 (038 mag clone) a couple of months ago. Besides an easy repair to the kill switch it's been great.

The thumbnail for this video is my spirit animal. Lol

First US logger i see on RU-vid who is cutting like a professional. Good work buddy!

I would of loved an update on this saw after a few weeks of use

Thanks for another great hour of entertainment, Jake! Barkbox, isn’t that also a dog toy subscription box service? lol

In the beginning I was thinking that saw looks awful small and then I found out I was comparing it to a monster Mitch. Lol. You guys make it look easy.

Heard you were from the NW! Born in Morton currently live in Preston always good to see another Washingtonian! Digging the channel my friend

Jake you make some great videos man!! Thanks for all the info on your falling and the saws!! It’s so helpful

I appreciate the fall that was takin to get that good angle down the log😁👍. 99% of viewers will never understand the forethought & effort it takes to put together an entertaining video. The excessive amount of preplanning & extra work that goes into just recording these videos is insain, and that's not including the crazy amount of time it takes to edit a video. Good stuff, but I'll stick to my orange & white saws. Use whatever it takes to get it done though.... STAY SAFE

think it would of been cool to drop a tree right on that 350.00 dollar saw. food for thought.

So for a china saw to not suck it needs a Gordy tune and a Mitch sharpened chain plus the goodies from west coast.

Really enjoyed the vid, I’ve considered one of the blue thunders for milling, and as a power pull power head. I haven’t done a lot of falling in recent years, so fun to see some techniques I never even knew about. Stay safe.

The only thing to replace on them is the decompression valve they arent as well made as the stihl ones and if they fall apart they put a beating on the piston

I'm just here to watch trees be dropped, saws sing songs, axes be swung. It's beautiful

I always liked it when they said All these must go.

Always better off being safe ( the hollow tree ) I was thinking about buying one of those blue saws myself so this was a great video for me thank you.

I gotta be honest, you really do need to do a review of the Husqvarna 592. I'm looking to buy one, and I'd really rather you do the leg work to see if its worth it. :-) I trust you more than anyone else around these parts.

Blue Ball really left you on the edge, almost finished the day, but she left you wanting more.

21:20 And 4 weeks of heat for my house went down to be trash.

Some fantastic shots of the shock-wave when driving wedges in this video. Awesome stuff guys!

Lol, think I'll stick to German made or Sweden made. As Americans we need to stop buying Chinese anyhow.great vid bro .

Lmfao the cord knot broke at the end of the day 🤣

@Guilty of Treeson. Great video Jake. Daymn....that Cedar was GONE!! into the ravine = crazy hinge wood on that one! That was a cool face cut Mitch did = plunge face ✂️, never saw that before. We need to start a gofundme to get Mitch a Warne fiberglass step 🪜 💯🇺🇸😅

I think you're finding your groove again! Enjoying seeing all the different people and areas you're visiting. I like gear reviews like this where you just use it and can compare to the name brand or pro version.

Unreal work men!.love this video. Bin dumping decent alders for five yrs now and never tried a plunge..I am super inexperienced and can’t wait to limit my barber chairs next year .

Yup bought a 660 clone 6 years ago for 80 dollars. Built it learned an enormous amount about saw construction. It was an invaluable learning experience. On top of that I got a great saw. That thing is still kicking. Is it a stihl? Nope. Does it run like a stihl? Yup. Will it last like a stihl mmmm probably not. But for 80 bucks I got a killer saw.

That's how long it's been didn't even know they had lite bars. I was always Oregon power match. Ridden down mountains. I currently got a contract for a clean-out and they had a 72 inch was the biggest all the way down to a 48. I'm cleaning em up and did the 72 and no problem still useable unit. Gotta be 70 years old

Just watching you two it's so informative. Really see some cool methods on falling. Like how you jab the blade in the back so it leaves a safety hold... then cut the back fully til it falls. One thing I didn't know is. Calling any chainsaw stock... never knew chainsaws can be beefed up so much and modded

Hey Jacob I love your channel, keep up the good work man! Nice to see someone put videos up of saw actually being used for more than just making biscuits

You guys are awesome I can watch you work all day. Great sense of humor plus I learnt a lot. Thanks.

Could've easily edited the fall off the log out. Showing your humanity speaks volumes to me. Well done 👏. Good review as well. Keep doing you.....and you're going to surpass your old channel faster than you ever imagined, Jake.

I would buy one in an instant, but with shipping, customs and taxes the blue 660 is about $200 cheaper than the 661. No (useable) warranty, no service - not worth it imo. But if you have a retailer that saves you the customs and shipping and the 661 is not as cheap as around here...

Those clone saws have come a long way in the last few years, for the firewood guy the cost is pretty good

I finally remembered where I saw some of this before, the live stream back in March. Great carvings from the old stumps.

Mine 466 blow Cylinder gasket about 30 min from being brand new. Started the same way the idle kept getting higher and higher. Almost Seized the piston. Stock gasket was paper changed it to a stihl steel gasket. Runs like a champ now. I recommend changing the cylinder gasket. Before you write

One of my fac vids so far lol. The t shirt is great. I feel more human knowing you also stumble off logs lol. My clone 660 has a little bit of a metal ring to it after break-in but it's still stump cuttin like the little engine that could

Awesome video, and I love how you take the time to explain everything you did and why.

Everyone laughed when they saw it, then they didn’t 👍

Was upset about the China neesians steeling from Stihl So glad you mentioned legally purchasing the expired patents. How cool is that. I felt instantly better. As an attorney for 34 years who likes to relax with outdoor clean up, yet still learning to saw. You grow up being taught only to learn you know NOTHING. Trying to avoid Barber Chairs in southern pines. Thank you for the outstanding job you do in your videos. Accolades well deserved. Excited to learn more. : )

Thanks for the video. I purchased an 090 clone years ago when I started to slab but low on funds and found that they perform very poorly after a while of cutting. Could get through a few slab but was a fight to continue once it was hot. If you got to get cutting, go for it but take some time and save for a real saw.

Hey I’m in Wildland firefighting and we’ve been using and abusing the 592 Xp and the weight to power is impressive in my opinion the only problem we’ve had is recently it’s been having a slow leak of gas coming from the motor

i keep watching theses thinking the whole time why am i watching this. there is just something satisfying about it.

It's been really cool being on your bus and going on this ride with ya'll. Thanks for the seat.

You guys make this stuff look easy. Any novice (like me) who's tried to use a chainsaw knows exactly what I'm talking about.

This is really cool, it would be awesome to see how it ran with a stihl or aftermarket carb, even after he adjusted it, it still didn't sound right on the top end honestly

Great content. Just watch out starting the saw with the chain break off dude, then reving straight away after the pull.

That curve on tree in 42.12 was on the money😂

Nice video, enjoy this kind of videos, not that the "usual job" ones were bad or anything. I have a real qustion, is there even a quality american chainsaw brand? Since Stihl is german, Husqvarna is swedish and Echo is japanese i can´t think of any. (I live in Europe where "made in germany" means a bit more than "made in the USA" tbh)