Nolan Arenado Says The Young Players Overran The Cardinals Clubhouse in 2023...Who's To Blame?

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St. Louis Cardinals star Nolan Arenado recently was quoted talking about the lack of veteran leadership in the Cardinals clubhouse and how the young players overran the place. Who's to blame? Arenado and the other vets? The young players? Oliver Marmol? And WHY did it happen in 2024 and not 2023? And, WHAT happens next?
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@farlow126 3 месяца назад

So basically Yadier retired and all hell broke loose

@muthergoose4084 3 месяца назад

and Pujols as well.

@Mr1stcat 3 месяца назад

Yea pretty much

@kevinray9943 3 месяца назад

Losing Skip Shumaker was a huge part of it as well.

@cyberpimp29 3 месяца назад

Absolutely. He was the heart and leader of the team for two generations. The fact that they were surprised and unprepared for this is an absolute embarassment.

@cyberpimp29 3 месяца назад

@@kevinray9943that was eons ago

@locomotion3656 3 месяца назад

Arenado and Goldschmidt are both shy types. When LaRussa was manager he had a system of 4 team leaders that spoke to the team when something needed to be addressed. When that didn’t work those players would come to LaRussa and say hey Tony you need to take this. I so agree that it was a Marmol problem. He could have tried to use Tyler O’Neil and Harrison Bader as player leaders but he attacked them instead. That to me is where it fell apart. Someone would have to prove me different.

@davidcobler5705 3 месяца назад

As Kieth Jackson would say, “Whoa Nellie”! As a Cards 60 year fan I recall the last manager that truly lost the team was Vern Rapp (76/77). Will Arenado’s statement be the beginning of the end of Ollie Marmol?! This is telling of Marmol’s inability to lead a clubhouse! The first two 1/2 months of this season will be very interesting. If the Captain of the Redbird ship can’t get his crew to conform and perform the Cardinal way then it’s time to bring back Molina and order!! Indeed this falls on Marmol!!

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Mo won’t admit he was wrong again ha

@BeginnerToAuthor 3 месяца назад

Here is the reason why I think Arenado didn’t step up like people want. I think he tried to do that when he was in Colorado. I remember him getting in people’s faces and telling them what they did wrong and being the leader but that didn’t work out for him. Now, he is just like “f it. If that is the way they play, that is the way they play.” But also, it shouldn’t be 100% on Arenado and Goldschmidt to lead like that, it should be on the managers and coaches to do that. I see Arenado being a guy who wants to win but the rest of the team is complacent.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Naw bro it’s Oli Marmol and his staff plain simple

@locomotion3656 3 месяца назад

To those who say Arenado should have said something sooner, well he has said it now for better or for worse. I for one am glad he said it.

@jl2876 3 месяца назад

Yeah…and he might not be a Vocal leader, he’s just showing he cares….its his job to perform, it’s management and FO job to get somebody or multiple ppl in there to Lead

@7391jammer 3 месяца назад

As a Cardinal fan it starts at the top

@scottstein1135 3 месяца назад

Get rid of mozeliak and marmol

@jswan2390 3 месяца назад

I'd be cool if the DeWitts sell the team. Then maybe we could spend what we should be spending

@james8156 3 месяца назад

100% agree👍🏻

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

100% on all of this Fuck Mo and Marmol

@shannobmayberry107 3 месяца назад

I hate to say this too, But letting Waino go out and pitch batting pratice to the league on everyone of his starts just bso they could get to 200. was also a mistake.

@michaelblack6495 3 месяца назад

Arenado spoke the truth as he saw it, no one should have a problem with that. Oliver Marmol is a nice guy but has no business managing a MLB team. As a lifelong STL fan, I think the Marmol experiment needs to come to an immediate end.

@MGillDesign 3 месяца назад

Agreed, mishandled the Tyler O'Neill situation and Contreras situation. Seems to be in awe of players like Wainwright, Arenado, Goldschmidt. More of a fanboy than a manager. Too young... needs to manage more levels of minors (before becoming an MLB manager). Mozeliak is at fault, because he fast tracked Marmol to MLB (as first base coach) based on a brief single A "short term" success. We need a manager that is either experienced (put in the work as a manager in minors for many years), Or, has played on the MLB level (i.e. can relate to what MLB players going through) i.e. Skip Schumaker. Is physically intimidating enough to demand respect (i.e. Matt Holliday)... Marmol doesn't command respect, he just seems to be there...and a spectator/fan boy in his own clubhouse... Needs to speak his own mind (not repeat what the General Manager/Mozeliak says)

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Well April will show us true colors dodgers Schildt&Padres Skip&Marlins Phillies Dbacks BrewCrew Dbacks again and Mets….. could be a long hard April

@Cras951 3 месяца назад

Fire Marmol and offer Yadi the new manager spot. New class of Cards are coming up, going to need that clubhouse leader that's been there, did that.

@chaineddeath5513 3 месяца назад

On one hand it’s great to know what was going on in that clubhouse, but on the other hand, if Arenado noticed a problem, he should have stepped up and become the vocal leader

@sheldontoibb2688 3 месяца назад

DeWitt and Mozeliak wanted a weak manager and they got one. They got lucky with Jose Qintana and Jordan Montgomery at the trade deadline two years ago and let them both leave.

@MGillDesign 3 месяца назад

this comment was concise, smart... and 100% accurate.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

And gave Mikolas the extension Monty should of got

@shannobmayberry107 3 месяца назад

This starts at the top. Hands down

@tomdolan9761 3 месяца назад

When I see an accomplished veteran blabbing in the press about a clubhouse issue I tend to know where the lack of leadership lies. Poor leadership tends to tell on itself.

@denniskish1474 3 месяца назад

Marmol lost the team when he erroneously called out Tyler O'Neill for not running hard and being thrown out at the plate in the first week of the season. O'Neill was given the stop sign by the third base coach, and he slowed down approaching third. The third base coach then gave him the score sign, but O'Neill wasn't able to round third base and obtain his full running speed before being thrown out at the plate by six feet. Marmol , instead of reviewing the play on tape, called out O'Neill publicly in front of the entire clubhouse, and then went before the cameras and reporters and slammed O'Neill's play. Marmol then benched O'Neill. This situation festered all season, resulting in the Cardinal's dumping O'Neill, an All-Star, Gold Glove Outfielder with power to the Red Sox for basically nothing. Marmol must have photos of somebody - he certainly hasn't shown that he's a Major League Manager. The Cardinal's haven't had a Manager since Tony LaRussa - and they haven't won a World Series since he left.

@arcoffice4448 3 месяца назад

Marmol airing dirty laundry out in the media def does not help. He’s a terrible manager. Shiltz is laughing at the cardinals way.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Naw Schildt is laughing at Mo it’s all Mo then Marmol

@jl2876 3 месяца назад

No it’s not on Arenado he’s speaking up because he just wants shit to stop… He should be commended… Because ain’t nobody else saying or doing anything… Love the channel Jim

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Yeah he basically called out Mo 100% in a round about way…

@jasonlee3568 3 месяца назад

Oli Marmol is a high school coach at best. Jose Oquendo should have been named manager after La Russa.

@big-fish1199 3 месяца назад

I wonder if this is why Mo almost exclusively brought in old veterans this offseason

@charlesharrington3890 3 месяца назад

Getting a good balance of experience and younger players is something that Cardinals need to have. With the successful players of the organization retiring or have departed (WS in 2006, 2011) the Cardinals are seeing a trend in the lack of leadership that has seen success in playoff spots. Wainwright and Yadi had a nice balance of leadership. Yadi is a game changer of an individual and his leadership was a staple in their organization. Well, with Arenado and Goldie not really being super vocal guys... management should know that and understand it. Bringing in Carpenter was mostly to have a voice in the dugout, I think. The guy can't hit as he used to, obviously, but still might bring up some flair in a clutch spot because he has been a good clutch player for us in the past. Without the shift, it should help him find more success in our ballpark. Getting some reliable and seasoned veteran pitchers whether they be new to the organization or have prior experience such as Lynn is a good thing. I definitely think the Cardinals had an eye-opening experience on where the organization is as a whole. Bloom and Yadi back in the organization is good. Wish we had Maddox and Montgomery along with Shildt but that's a pipe dream. I truly think that would completely change the dynamic of the 2024 season and beyond.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Marmol is a joke just say it it’s okay bro we all know it

@andrewzaker8887 3 месяца назад

Cardinals fan here. Kudos to Arenado for speaking out about the issues with the clubhouse last year. To me, the blame is to be pinned solely on Oliver Marmol.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

No hired him it’s both of em

@dennishaas4745 3 месяца назад

The 2023 Cardinals were more worried about having cheeseburger phones in the dugout and giving Wainwright a concert instead of having their heads in the game ! I guarantee Herzog or LaRussa wouldn't allow a cheeseburger phone in the dugout 10 games under .500 !

@mosindesire 3 месяца назад

I'd say everyone shares in the blame. But, maybe those who could speak up saw just how bad it was going and how badly it would end and just wanted the season to be over. All in all, for me, it was great to watch and I hope its more of the same this year.

@james8156 3 месяца назад

Marmol has no business being in charge. He said things early in the the season about O'Neil and that should have be kept in the clubhouse.

@schmidtboy1620 3 месяца назад

The Cardinals front office won't fire Marmol he's a yes man and does what the front office wants, that's why he replaced Shildt

@MGillDesign 3 месяца назад

yep.

@mikechrisman790 3 месяца назад

Oliver MUST go....MO MUST go as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@heffiagametech8094 3 месяца назад

No it is not on the vets it's up to the coach to sort it out.

@reno-san87 2 месяца назад

The writing is on the wall. Come on home Arenado, they'll be a spot in LA waiting for you 😌💙💪🏽

@michaelplowman8674 3 месяца назад

Reality is, every locker room needs that a-hole who will check everyone else's ego to reminder them it's about the team and not the individual.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Oh like Waino last season

@gregdiamond6023 3 месяца назад

Had Yadi been there that crap wouldn’t have happened. I agree though. It’s marmol’s fault. In the end Marmol is in charge.

@prestonbucher18 3 месяца назад

Can’t just lump this all on Marmol…Cardinals had plenty of veteran leadership that could/should have provided guidance, but didn’t. The front office failed by hiring a green manager instead of a grizzled veteran. Marmol certainly wasn’t up to the task, but this isn’t a singular point of failure This is a top down leadership problem at the end of the day. Management, Front Office and Players.

@michaelsadowski9863 3 месяца назад

It's on Marmol.

@Mr1stcat 3 месяца назад

Nah it ain't just marmol it the front office too all the old heads like Yadier and Pujols left and everything went to ish because there were no clubhouse leaders

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Bro it’s Mo and Marmol end of discussion

@kermitcook8498 3 месяца назад

How is it that those in charge didn't see this last May? We all saw what happened in Philly when they saw the light at the end of the tunnel.

@MrBurtonPE 3 месяца назад

This feels like 100% the reasons we were so terrible. I think you nailed this analysis.

@Massachamp08 3 месяца назад

Nolan Arenado doesn't have to be the best leader in the world, but by very subtlely throwing everybody else under the bus and not stepping up to be the veteran leader in the clubhouse himself, he kind of shows that he isn't doing a lot to step up himself and isn't taking a lot of accountability, and the same goes for Waino and Goldy as well. Other head honchos like Marmol and Mozeliak really aren't helping at all, but Arenado kinda told on himself with those comments. The Cardinals resemble a shipwreck more than a proper team. This is an organization whose complacency and kicking the can down the road for decades has finally caught up to them in my observation.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

They only care about attendance and ball park village they don’t care about pennants

@MisterHoodrich89 3 месяца назад

the Cardinals should have fired Marmol and replaced him with a real manager instead of a front-office flunky. and traded some of their extremely overhyped "young talent" (Nootbaar, Donovan, Liberatore, Edman, etc.) for actual useful major leaguers. the Sonny Gray signing was great, but everything else they did this offseason was laughable. I see another last-place finish for them this season.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Donovan and Nootbar you do not trade my guy… that leaves them with 1 leftie cardinals are best with the 3 lefties in the lineup bar none… Edman and Libby imo are overrated for sure but Mo traded Arozarena for Libby that’s on him just like how he fired Schildt for Marmol another clown flunky

@TaterAvila 3 месяца назад

"The Saint Louis Cardinals were BEAUTIFULLY bad in 2023" is what I think you meant to say Jim

@georgesouthwick7000 3 месяца назад

Nolan and Goldy needed to put on their big boy pants and provide the kind of leadership veteran players are supposed to provide.

@completezach3279 3 месяца назад

It’s Marmol

@user-uq5iu1fn7e 3 месяца назад

Well there could have been troubles in the clubhouse and that may have contributed to the problem but it's much more likely that the talent was just not up to par and coaches and managers were negligent.

@user-rn3jk5un7r 3 месяца назад

Because oil is not good

@snacksquatch2308 3 месяца назад

It was fast moving, and we saw it after it had already happened. That's how quickly you lose a clubhouse. Jim, Oli immediately went to the accountability approach by calling BroNeil out right away. How'd that go? He got flamed by EVERYONE...

@RegularJoe419 3 месяца назад

I’m glad it’s getting done now instead of after spring training so they can get it out of the way

@Tom-hc5iv 3 месяца назад

I think Arenado is possibly hinting at something else too...perhaps more of a veteran presence in the clubhouse...or to be blunt ...less kids more vets...maybe he's saying we don't have enough vets to guide the young squad

@yazmon4515 3 месяца назад

Somebody needs to send a copy of Arenado's thoughts to the Boston Red Sox. They are doing the same thing to their clubhouse. Who is their veteran leadership? Devers? a 12 year old mind in a major league stud body. Story? The guy is fighting in his own head right now. Sheesh, this going to be a disaster and probably the ruin of many of their young players' futures.

@rdogg222 3 месяца назад

While it would be nice to have veteran players provide mentorship and/or leadership in the locker room, that's not their job. They are players who are paid to perform. It sounds like the manager has no control over his team. All of this falls on the manager.

@shiftymenno 3 месяца назад

sounds like the vets needed to step up and get the clubhouse under control.

@Dulcimerist 3 месяца назад

Wishing the Cardinals had hired Terry Pendleton as manager.

@bakajon 3 месяца назад

Sometimes it's hard to get rid of a manager if the team has his back.

@robertoreyes8232 3 месяца назад

Not sure but where the fuck is the manager?

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Dude is hot garbage

@redfan15 Месяц назад

Interesting you hold up Arenado for breaking the #1 rule of the club house. What happens in the club house stays in the club house.

@Jesta41 3 месяца назад

Me, personally feel that Mozelik needs to go as well. I say this because, the Cards since Tony left have been mediocre at best. Yeah, i have been cheering on those that have come since but, in the end the person that is in charge of managing the movement of players is ultimately responsible for how the team is in the locker room.

@mikechrisman790 3 месяца назад

Yadi is the manager we need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@prestonbucher18 3 месяца назад

Absolutely not. The LAST thing that the Cardinals need to do is fire a manager that had no actual MLB management experience in favor of a manager with no actual MLB management experience.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Oquendo doesn’t want the job if not Yadi then Skip!

@sheldontoibb2688 3 месяца назад

Dewitt and Mozeliak, Remember how they fired Shildt after 3 straight years to the playoffs. Since LaRussa, they are incapable of bringing in a proven manaqer from outside the organization because they want to keep power and authority to themselves. Remember, it not Mozeliak, but Walt Jocketty who hired LaRussa away from Oakland.

@MGillDesign 3 месяца назад

truth.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Oh the good ol days

@shoukatsukai 3 месяца назад

Joe Davis: "This clubhouse is turned upside down!"

@patskers1 3 месяца назад

Is this why we signed Carpenter?

@joshualee8151 3 месяца назад

personally i think when the oniell incident and the fact that waino should have been kicked off the rotation... it all went down hill with his final year send off for 200 wins.. F.O./marmol shoulda not gave in to waino but they did which hampered the cardinals more then it did any good in all honesty... dont think i would care about anything when u have a pitcher with a era over 8 playing behind for every 5th game.. waino is a great pitcher/person for the org but even if u hit 200 wins ur still 3rd all time as a cardinal... i didnt see no upside to it its not gonna put him in the HOF... just was a selfish clown act... and should have been corrected by the F.O./marmol so in the nut shell its the higher ups that are at fault n nor arenado or the vets or the young talents etc...and also want to add i think the cardinals supressed contreras's flame to be loud n vocal to fire people up..

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Y’all gotta learn to read between the lines he’s a professional ball player he can’t come out and say things like us on RU-vid! He can’t say to a reporter “you know Marmol is like 4 years older never played in the show can’t teach me shit let alone younger guys anything his staff is trash and Blake never pitched in mlb either… they coach from an iPad”… he can’t say we need veterans who don’t need help or coached up from this circus show of a staff… he def can’t say my GM and owner are cheap and fucking stupid… and put Waino achievements above everyone else and play with a burger phone! He has to politician this shit while also acting like it’s his fault too… you have to see the game within the game on this…. If he didn’t want to be in STL he would have opt out after 2022!

@webjakobe 2 месяца назад

let’s not have our manager call out a player 5 games in that would be a better start😂

@og-jd8wd 3 месяца назад

B.S. what was it ? alcohol use , music in the clubhouse, or young players having fun playing a kids game and not under the pressure of a big contract? Getting paid the big bucks makes you a leader in my opinion

@davidshowmaker4408 3 месяца назад

Then the veteran players should have put a stop to it! Marmol is a child himself!

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Carp is older than Marmol hahahahah

@davidsiebert5860 3 месяца назад

Manager and the coaches are poor.

@erkbzr 3 месяца назад

This just in...Lance Lynn just gave up another home run

@zachbonebrake352 3 месяца назад

And yet Marmol is still manager.

@fliplife67 3 месяца назад

This sounds like all them veterans were soft.

@mattheauvillarreal5635 3 месяца назад

Way to take responsibility…doesn’t sound like a winner

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

He’s calling out the GM my guy

@vivalavivarium 2 месяца назад

annnnnddddd oli gets an extension fml

@user-lh1fm6eu6k 3 месяца назад

They need to get Albert back

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

He just chose to manage a team in Central America

@Jukeboxster 3 месяца назад

The best players aren't always vocal leaders, and if it's not your natural personality it's going to come across as fake. That said it's a bad look because it sounds like he's passing the buck.

@barrycashman2782 3 месяца назад

SMH

@robpb 3 месяца назад

Maybe it’s time for NA to swap bird shirts! Let’s go Blue Jays!

@joycelittlejohn4985 3 месяца назад

He will retire in StL

@paulmillercanada 3 месяца назад

No thanks. He's clearly not a leader.

@jswan2390 3 месяца назад

Cardinals were the 8th oldest team in 2023! Older than teams like the Braves, Dbacks, Cubs, Rays, Orioles, Red, Phillies & Mariners. Stupid comments by Arenado. I've been a Cards fan since 97 and a Nado fan for the last decade. Marmol is awful, Mo needs to go, DeWitts need to sell team. Nado/Goldy are too quiet and not leaders. And bringing back M. Carp is the biggest joke of the off-season. Cards not going anywhere til Yadi takes this team over. The Tyler o'neill and Willson contreras situations last year were embarrassing. If we got Montgomery, I'd be a little better.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Nolan used to grill dudes in CO! Didn’t work out.. this is Nado calling out Mo and imo him saying without saying it… that Marmol can’t coach young guys so we need proven veterans that don’t need coached line Gray Gibson Lynn… so on

@arcoffice4448 3 месяца назад

The Cardinals way. What a joke.

@wilfredocordova8994 3 месяца назад

I think he wants out

@user-hn9gn2qp1g 3 месяца назад

Every team gose though this Drama stuff every MLB even my Dodgers..

@tomdolan9761 3 месяца назад

Yeah you Dodgers tend to take the club in clubhouse to another level especially with females

@user-hn9gn2qp1g 3 месяца назад

Your Dodger hater, we love it...ha ha ha

@ryancairns139 2 месяца назад

They let the cancerous O'Neill and Flaherty go. Different team this year.

@frankrivera6384 3 месяца назад

I think it's todays baseball, you know that let the kids play crap, players now a days are disciplined like the Brady parents disciplined their kids, you know you misbehaved so let me bake you some cupcakes

@wilfredocordova8994 3 месяца назад

He's going ask to be traded

@markgadson9663 3 месяца назад

His explanation sounds as weak as his personality in the club house. He gives insight into how weak they were. What happened to the Cardinals' way? Manager, GM and players are to blame. Not sure what's worse last year's clubhouse or this weak-a$$ explanation.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

You gotta read between the lines… he can’t just say Marmol fucking sucks as a coach he can’t coach up young guys… and Mo made some shit ass moves… he has to play the game like a politician bro he’s a professional and not a fan like us who can just say Fuck Marmol he’s 4 years older than me and can’t manage we need veterans who don’t need coached by him or his clown flunky Blake… remember these dudes never played in the majors you think an MVP in Goldie and a 10x gold glover respects what these guys have to say about the game….

@victorfuentes2631 3 месяца назад

Nolan Arenado wants to be on the Dodgers so bad.

@MGillDesign 3 месяца назад

lol.

@boschlosser10 3 месяца назад

Naw I think he just wants a real manager that isn’t his peer and never played in the show

@cryptobill6188 3 месяца назад

Yes, you are blaming Marmol too much. Why aren't you blasting Bob Melvin (a supposed awesome manager) who only led the star-studded Padres to 82 wins last year with Machado, Soto, Snell, etc. Why is it considered a "player failure" in San Diego but a "managerial failure" in St. Louis?