Having a Sol inspired character in a bathhouse themed GG spinoff and not calling them Sol Bathguy might be one of the biggest missed opportunities of our time
i know this is kinda of backward but : Ninja Gaiden and Dead or alive series( i know, dead or alive came from NG) Tsukihime and Melty Blood series (again, MB Came from Tsukihime)
Seriously though, your team made something special. I still go back and play it. In fact, its right next to my copy of God of War 2. Thanks for the memories!
I love and hate you guys for those spinning tower things leading up to the hades level - both games are classics, just ran through GoW recently and have been in the process of gettin' walkthroughs on my channel uploaded - can't wait to run through GoW 2/3. Not sure how I feel about the new GoW, but the OGs will always have a special place in my heart
love that about final fight(and other capcom series as i like viewing them all in the same world just a different time periods & areas.:3) as i love the original trio,maki & especially thick diva poison and their stories in street fighter. do love street fighter has a field day making fun of 2010 just being a game with street fighter's name pasted on it especially the udon comics having kevin fight mecha akuma in a arcade game mel was playing made in ken's likeness. think a beat em up/dynasty warriors esque game(just with more characters now that they have everyone back to not be as bare.:3) of guilty gear and blazblue(the rogue like's story is that it's an alternate universe with the characters sucked into it as the original had a cosmic reset.) would be really cool to see as you play those games for their characters. think a tekken force esque spin-off would definitely work with tekken's style just with a better story than 6/more interesting characters instead of nina whose the most boring tekken character(a focus on anna williams/steve fox teaming up would be way more interesting.) do love the characters of soul calibur(taki,sophieta,cassandra,siegfried & especially ivy valentine.:3) & the stages would make for a great tekken force for it's story mode/including lloyd as it could be bigger. love snk's extras(drama cd's,4-koma,neo geo station) & with snk's new direction love to see this come back. remember that virtua quest spinoff & virtua fighter should mix with shenmue if a new game happened as it would be cool having ryo team up with the virtua fighter's. don't really think mortal kombat's stories good at all outside special intros but love the cheesy cutscenes. absolutely love kof:kyo showing so much of the king of fighters really great characters & writing that i'd really alongside a u.s release (same with rival schools school life mode.) would love the king of fighters 16 doing a mode like this/samurai showdown rpg for 16 with the characters it has now. think days of memories is so adorable letting you date snk's beautiful gals(and guys in this/it's successor kof for girls.) & would love to see it come back adding characters like alfred,especially dolores,luong,shun'ei/meitenkun,isla & darli dagger. alongside match of the millenium card fighters is my favorite of snk. vs capcom for the series used in that i'd definitely love to see in a snk vs. capcom 3(especially power stone,red earth,devil may cry and twinkle star sprites.). prefer pocket fighter over super gem fighter(do wish devilotte had been in pocket fighter.) though enjoyed it on capcom fighting collection enough especially the intermissions. actually heard more about neo geo ultimate shooter than kof sky stage but was always interested in it especially the branching paths & iroha as she's so adorable. love to try out cannon spike as i love the idea of cammy leading a team of capcom characters(that teppen actually brought back having them take on sigma.) in a shooter that could include the dolls/chun li and others. really would love another try at street fighter 2 movie game as the animated movie(favorite video game adaptation period.:3) would with it's fights & unique locations make a great fighting game playing in moments and like the good ending having the cyborg get a heart from seeing ryu's bond with ken that he kills m. bison for good.
I like that you actually acknowledge DOA as a good fighting game series. I see hella ppl in the FGC disrespect the games & they probably never gave them a fair chance or even played them lol.
@@baberuthlesspeople being puritan all of the sudden, when the costumes in SF and Tekken sometimes are way more outrageous. I just blame big name (Aka. Capcom or Bamco) fanboyism.
doa is really great fighting games, i loved all of games(i meant fighting games) , if anyone hate this game, so that means, POSSIBLY that guy didn't play the game at all,outside of that, he must at least acknowledge the game as something within fighting games)
@@Gadlight exactly , SF6 Costumes is outragous tekken 8 has decent amount of customization , ok, but it also has 30$ dlc avatar and costumes, Tekken Shop , and future dlc, and full price 120 $ game (plus , in T7, there was beach DLC With unique costumes for every character....long story short, people are crazy....to blame doa, while it had so many free slots of costumes ...these people just gather in net, and laugh that, "yeah, doa's players is low, game is girl club or hair color has price or ... but doa extreme surely is totally ok!!:) (yeah, fanboying is real, i mean, T8 Is great game, i love the game, but T7 Was flawed game, full of flaws, but fighting game community was like: nah , it is tekken , it must be played , otherwise...same goes to SF5 and... )
Cammy really needs her own game! She's got a great story, she's super popular, she has lots of connections to Street Fighter characters, and she brings in a huge cast of character with her Delta Red team and Shadaloo Doll sisters. There's so much potential!
Fun fact: Soulcalibur Legends, historically speaking, takes place between the Ottoman-Habsburg War and Long Turkish War during a lull created by the Treaty of Edirne. I guess one could argue they weren't really worried about recording the records of war. Though, Hayreddin Barbarossa would have been long dead by this point, so how he's there as a giant monster 🤷♀
Maybe that would be interesting to focus rather than actual fgs, that lately have been getting more criticism and controversies than before. Shaolin Monks showed the amount of potential that the franchise has in other genres. And if that direction is combined with the elaborate story modes (that almost feel like a waste of resources and energy in MK11 and MK1) i believe the result could be more interesting for the public and even commercially. The fact is that high standards and competitively solid fgs are extremely challenging to make.
BlazBlue Entropy Effect is a fan game turned into a licensed game, that's why the stage aesthetics and music is so off from actual BB. It also gives me the vibe of being a completely unrelated game that the devs decided using BB's recognizable characters would gather more attention than a fully original game and it worked
As someone with an unhealthy obsession with waifus and spent around 200 hours on DoA Xtreme 3 Scarlet, the date sim part is kinda easy. Every girl have objects (food, clothes and knick knacks) that they like and dislike, same goes for the paper wrapping, every girl had a favorite color which raises up the chance of the girl accept a present she wouldn't accept. Of course, playing in Japanese makes things extra hard, but thankfully, the game was published in english on Hong Kong =D
DOA fanboy here: To answer your question, DOAX's canonicity can be described as "MOSTLY non-canon"; afaik, the only game to have direct ties to the main series is the first one, which took place between DOA3 and DOA4. It was also the first appearance of Lisa/La Mariposa, which I'd imagine made her ending in DOA4 where she's unmasked a bit of a cool reveal at the time. Other than that, Xtreme and the main series are heavily disconnected. Only other thing of note imo is that some dialogue from Tina in Venus Vacation implied that if the game were canon, it'd have to be placed after 6 since she mentions the wrestling team she started with Bass during the game's story.
Ahh makes sense. Kind of a shame. I do wish they just made all ninja gaidens,xtremes, niohs,and fatal frames crammed into the same cannon. Since it certainly be interesting to have a doa universe like that
I did not know that heihachi was a secret boss in that nina spin-off game xD and that shenmue was originally a virtua fighter origins story for akira. Both of those surprised me! I think out of all the games you mentioned here, mortal kombat shaolin monks still holds up as a fun game!
Shoutout to Capcom Classics Collection 2 having a version of Quiz and Dragons with Capcom questions, including their fighters. It's the closest to a fighting game quiz in English.
Excellent video! And as someone who bought DOA Volleyball on day 1 when I was 15 (for the gameplay of course!)... the story is canon and is referenced in DOA4 in Zack's ending. This had to be a hard video to make, but it's much appreciated and the passion is obvious, keep it up!
With Mighty Final Fight, IIRC more than low sales, it was that it was a very low production run since it was one of the last games for the NES, in those days the last games suffered from that because most of the consumer base was assumed as migrated to the following generation, and if you check usually those late games in a console lifecycle are the ones that end up fetching super high prices nowadays for that reason, as I'm pretty sure you're familiar with a few of those games xD. I had no idea about the comprehensive details of the 96 Neo Geo Collection encyclopedia, I'll definitely need to take a look at that sometime soon!
Makes sense it was so late, that being said I wish might FF and 2 and 3 were put in collections or released more often than once 😞 they need more time to shine
@@baberuthless FF3 is a very similar case to Mighty, being one of the late games in SNES, with a low production run and nowadays being one of the expensive games for collectors
The Athena “horror” game is not a fighting game spin off sadly but an Athena game series spin off since she had her own games that weren’t fighters first. Hence why I didn’t count it
@@baberuthlessAh. Still, I think it's based on her KOF appearance, she's not a Goddess like her debut. By that extension, I'd say Ralf and Clark in Metal Slug 6 are also cameos from their KOF versions (just cameos, though)
Shes not a goddess in psycho soldier either. Your thinking of the goddess athena spin off arcade game, called just Athena. Its...very confusing to be fair. But to Baberuthless's point the Ps1 athena game isnt a spin off and not really a horror game either which is a bummer@@Seydaschu
DOAX is canon to the fighting games. Zack Island blowing up in a volcanic eruption at the end of X1 puts him in debt that he's trying to raise money to pay off in DOA4. I don't recall X2 being referenced in 5 or 6, and X3 is set after 6, so I'm not sure about those two.
did not expect to hear the word "fortnite" within 5 minutes of this vid LMAO in all seriousness i've always had a passion for weird single player spinoffs of fighting games so it's great to see someone going in depth with em, really hope fighting games start doing stuff like this again someday
Honestly stuff like this makes me happy that World Tour exists at all. It’s a great idea imo to essentially have an entirely different genre within your fighting game, and I’m glad Capcom finally got around to it. Hopefully this kind of experimentation spreads to the other big games like MK and Tekken since they kind of started this back in the ps2 era. A modern shaolin monks mode in a new MK game would be sick asf.
Right here with you. As someone whose interest in fighting games and the like started with Kya: Dark Lineage, i've been very much interested in games with fighting and adventure modes alike. Most recent game with such gameplay that i played was Clash: Artifacts of Chaos (a prequel to the Zeno Clash series) and it was a pretty fantastic time. Those two games sadly don't have multiplayer as such, even though it *was* planned at some points.
Just like you mentioned Final Fight at the beginning of the video, I thought you would mention Ikari Warriors, Athena and Psycho Soldier. Athena also had a game for the PS1 called Athena: Awakening from the Ordinary Life, which was an Adventure Survival Horror similar to Enemy Zero and Clock Tower.
Very nice video and retrospective! I love this type of video Informative, and going very deep into a particular sub-niche or series. You have earned a subscriber!
I see Shaolin Monks! Here's a cool thing about Battle De Paradise: If the game is on a Neo Geo Pocket Unit, a remake of Yosaku, SNK's 1979 arcade game, can be played on it.
I've been subscribed to your channel for quite a while but I don't think I've ever commented here. Just wanted to say that I loooooove the content you make and I think it's very much needed in the fighting game landscape on RU-vid. This was an awesome video, keep it up 😎.
12:43 Dynasty Warriors actually does have a little bit of a strategy elements in the Empires spin-offs and it does allow you to command the NPC allies. Granted, it's a spin-offs title but still.
A really good look through a load of these sorts of games and how they relate to their franchises. Some really obscure stuff here that proved to be a fun look into it all.
This has reminded me how desperately I want a new SNK vs Capcom Card Fighters game. I sunk ungodly hours into the DS game and almost did a flip when they announced the NGPC version coming to Switch.
Now this is definitely a topic that is way more interesting than it would seem at first due to how weird studios get sometimes, it's always neat to see whatever spinoff comes out and seeing what genre it is, as for any I know about, the only one I can remember right now is that BlazBlue beat-em-up on the 3DS, Blazbloo Clonephantasma I think it was called, (I don't remember the exact spelling) and I only know about it thanks to Thorgi lol, although there is something I do want to give an honorable mention too, the Batman Forever tie-in game for the SNES and Genesis, it sort of a Sub Zero MK Mythologies situation where it has fighting game controls but it's a platformer, it even has a VS mode so it has a one up on Sub Zero, don't remember if it was an exclusive to one of those two versions though. 32:39 That face is so good. "Yeah, I c06kblocked ya mortal, what are ya gonna do about it?" (Would've also been here yesterday but was on a trip lol) Edit: Also about Dynasty Warriors, So the games in Japan are named roughly, "Shin Dynasty Muso" (Or something like that, I don't remember exactly) however the OG PS1 fighting game is named exactly the same, but it doesn't have "Shin" at the start, and considering the games are one number behind us in Japan as well, (I.e Dynasty Warriors 3 here is DW2 over there, DW4 here is DW3 there, so on and so forth) and the anniversary video for the series didn't mention the PS1 fighter, I think the DW games and the PS1 game are meant to be completely different but also kind of the same series? I don't know it's weird.
55:28 i think the reason the enemies sound like that when they die is a reference to Kamen Rider. At some point in the original show from 1971, the footsoldiers from the villain organization SHOCKER just devolved to going "EEEEEEEE!!!" And those screams in game sounded just like it
I know you didn't cover platfighters, but shout-outs to Lovers, Creatures, and Dungeons of Aether. Impressive for a niche indie platfighter like Rivals of Aether to get THREE Spin-offs (and a comic that fans would rather forget about, despite the canonicity).
Amazing work! I'm impressed the description says "Little *quickie* bout some spin offs" on such a complete and detailed video. Sounds like you could still go on for hours (or maybe a part 2?) I really liked your take on The King of Fighters Kyo. For fans of the Orochi Saga, it's a real treat to interact with the KOF cast and get to see their voice actors expand on their characters. The newer sagas could definitely use some spin-off games like this one. As for SNK/ADK's quiz games, the idea sounds good on paper, but it's a shame the questions are all about late 80's/early 90's Japanese pop culture. It's always interesting to see how fighting game characters work so well in different settings - and most of all, companies were more eager to experiment back then.
Y'know I never played Cannon Spike, but I can explain why the enemies are screaming that! (Potentially!) In the Japanese Tokusatsu series known as Kamen Rider, in the original series there were grunt enemies known as "Shocker Combat Men" that when they're defeated scream out an iconic and "meme before meme" was coined "Eeeeeee" sound effect! It's a huge meme in Japan and I wouldn't doubt it was a reference to the grunts
That makes sense! I just looked up some clips where they make similar sounds and i think you nailed it. Thanks so much for shedding some light on this!
Loved Canon Spike. Probably the first spin-off (of anything) game I played actually🤔 Ok maybe Dr, Mario or Pokemon Snap, but CS was the first completely out-of-element spin-off for me lol.
FINALLY! A youtuber that seems to have actually _played_ Final Fight Streetwise instead of just crapping on it and parroting some opinion they heard elsewhere. I mean, don't get me wrong, the gritty "gangsta" style reboot *is terrible* but it's only an aesthetic choice; you're totally right in that the game plays well and the Arcade Mode is a big highlight (as is the more "grounded" design for Mike Haggar imo; Streetwise's version is basically Dan Severn, who's legit badass and MMA legend so I love his model in this game, lol). I never knew Cammy was in the main game though, since I spent all my time playing Arcade, lol! Gotta fire up my OG Xbox and give it another shot. Y'know, fun fact: apparently Capcom Studio 8 was working on a more traditional FF game before the call came in to make it more gritty - this "prototype" for the game that would eventually change INTO Streetwise, "Final Fight Seven Sons," actually looks pretty similar to the Arcade Mode in the final game. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-870Mfs5PsVs.html At any rate, loved this topic! You did *such* a good job - this is a great companion to GuileWinQuote's "Vs Modes in NON Fighting Games" video, which I also loved. This is such a rich & fascinating area to mine for content since fighting games and spinoffs or weird modes go hand-in-hand. With so much lore and so many fleshed-out characters, it's no WONDER they try to explore it in weird ways (personally, I'm always fascinated by action-adventure and RPG modes in fighting games. Stuff like Tobal and Tobal 2's dungeons, or the main adventure mode in TamSoft's weird lil' Power Stone looking Abalaburn. Street Fighter 6's World Tour *made me so happy,* lol). I learned of a bunch here, but if you're looking for a few more for the future, I know Atlus' Power Instinct/Goketsuji Ichizoku series has an isometric run 'n' gun game for the Saturn called Purikura Daisakusen ("Pretty Kurara Legend" I think), revolving around a popular magical girl character in the roster named Kurara. I also know of Phantom Breaker Battlegrounds, a fun beat 'em up with a Mighty Final Fight-looking chibi art style that's a spinoff of the Phantom Breaker fighters like Omnia. That's all i can think of though. This video was great!
Thank you! With how extreme the internet is with opinions I think people forget things can be more complex than thing is the best thing ever or worst thing ever. Streetwise I definitely thinks falls in that category. Also great ideas there’s a few games left out for a part 2 someday like the rivals of aether dating sim and the eternal champions spin offs too!
I finished both XBlaze: Code Embryo and Lost Memories. They take place in another dimension because some things sound familiar while others don't at the same time. They have multiple endings and nice characters imo. Both are supposed to be prequels, the first game follows a new story with new characters while the second centers itself around a character from the mainline series. I'm a big BlazBlue fan, and I truly believe that they are worth a try for anyone who likes BlazBlue, its characters and themes.
nice very informative video - I am a big fighting game nerd so I know like 95% of games here xD but still nice to see the spotlight and so well presented
One that's amazing (I'm heavily biased here) is the "disc 2" of Project Justice/Rival Schools 2, it's sort of a board game with a bunch of mini games that lets you create a character and use it in-game afterwards. Although I couldn't read japanese (still can't) it hugely influenced me as a tween
I've played Guilty Gear Tangent for myself, and it's definitely one fever dream of a platformer. It's very slippery to control (much like running in a bathhouse) and grabbing more collectibles in stages determines how many lives you'll start out with per level, at least until new game+, where collectibles just become an object for 100%. You WILL need those extra lives lol.
i know this is kinda of backward but : Ninja Gaiden and Dead or alive series( i know, dead or alive came from NG) Tsukihime and Melty Blood series (again, MB Came from Tsukihime)
There is actually a bit of progress on the english translation for KoF Kyo done, the person that did the Spanish translation did the hard part already which in simple terms is extracting the script and reinjecting the translation. The problem is they dipped from the internet entirely before giving anyone the extracted script or any of the workflow for reinjecting it (a lot of times it needs to be done on a game by game basis for PSX and Saturn) 🙃
I really enjoyed The Rhythm of Fighters. Unfortunately it's yet another game dependent on a server which no longer runs due to the server shutting down. I hope I can somehow play it again one day (Switch rerelease?)
While not spin-offs per-se, so they might not count for this video as you said, there are two other examples that come to mind I'd like to mention. The first is weirdly "Hello Kitty & Apron of Magic: Rhythm Cooking" on the 3DS. For whatever reason, it has a couple "Arcana Heart" characters in it. Well, the face of the series, Heart Aino, canonically does help her family run a bakery so it's not completely random but still. The other is an SRPG called "Queen's Gate: Spiral Chaos" on the PSP. Being a crossover game, there are multiple series involved and a bunch of them just happen to be fighters. Mai from "King of Fighters", Iroha, Mina, and Cham Cham from "Samurai Showdown", Dizzy from "Guilty Gear", Noel from "Blazblue", Lily from "Tekken", and Ivy from "Soul Calibur" are all in it. Though I should note that due to the source materials, "Queen's Blade" and the "Queen's Gate" battle books, the game is sexually heavy as a result. But despite that, it's actually a legitimately good SRPG with some really cool attack animations. Of course since it's developed by the "Super Robot Taisen" devs, just on a smaller budget. Besides those, "Blazblue" and "Guilty Gear" both had a bunch more spin-offs, like "BlayzBloo" on the DSi and "GG Dust Strikers" on DS. Though those are still kinda-sorta fighters so I guess they might not count. Really seems like ASW had been trying to branch out from fighting games around that time. Unfortunately for them, to little success. Like, more recently, what the heck was "Code Shifter" supposed to be? 37:48 (Blazblue: Entropy Effect") That seems to be the general consensus. It's largely a "Blazblue" game in name only. Some characters show up but that's it. The story and setting are basically entirely disconnected. Heck, apparently the game originally wasn't even supposed to be "Blazblue" related, but instead got retrofitted into being one once ASW gave the developers access to the license. 1:11:14 ("Lilithrottle") Wow, now that's an obscure pick. It's technically not an official product since it's a doujin game which is in that grey fan-game area but still, it's a fun little title to have in your pocket to bring out. I remember trying to play this for a good while back in the day but I was new to the whole emulation/ROM ripping stuff so I couldn't get it running.
The hello kitty game and queens gate of love to talk about in a video someday but I’d qualify those as guest appearances since there not the headliners
