Norm Macdonald talks about how comedians have reacted to Louis C.K. returning to perform comedy on stage during an episode of Unmasked with Ron Bennington. Recorded at SiriusXM on September 12, 2018
Of all the things I'll remember about Norm, this is one of the greatest. He stuck his neck out for a friend when it would have been easier to stay quiet, and he did it with wisdom and dignity.
Which is why in turn all his so called comedian friends are now feeling guilty and praising Norm. They talk about his genius and so on but most of them can't connect to Norm in any meaningful way. I am sure Norm liked a lot of people, just because he was that guy.. he was very emotional, but not many would stick up for a friend like him.. hats off to Jerry Seinfeld too, who stuck up for Michael Richards when he had his stage breakdown. Norm wasn't a genius like Mozart was with music, but perhaps his expertise was observation and the capacity to be both brutally honest and humane at the same time.
@@Clauriffo he's not drunk or medicated. That's a stupid assertion to make. This is the tone Norm has *regularly* adopted when discussing serious topics. He's a soft spoken man. He isn't the performer when speaking sincerely.
@@switchbuckle5th I totally disagree and I will prove you wrong but not now cause I have a busy day. As soon as I have some time I will show you Norm talking serious topics not sounding drunk or medicated.
"Your heart can break for more than one person at the same time".... yea when I first realized this concept it was hard for me to understand why it took so long for me to understand. Deep thoughts from a deeply closeted gay person.
Man Norm is fucking awesome...I've always loved this guy. Forget about the fact that he's clearly one of the funniest people in history, he's also such a fucking boss, always speaks the truth without fear of the mob
Have you not been paying attention to him over the past few years? He is most certainly fearful of the sjw mob, which is why he chooses his words extra carefully. Any public figure should be fearful, the mob can destroy their career. What's most upsetting about this is that this mob is constantly changing what it determines to be 'career-wrecking' worthy and it's almost luck of the draw whether you get targeted. It puts public speakers constantly on edge. I think this trend will eventually consume itself though.
@@tonalambiguity3345 Norm was never fearful. Many times at his own expense. Here, he is choosing his words carefully, because it could be "used" by the other comedians in this case, as some sort of support for what Louis CK did.
It's dumb though. Comedians turned against Louis because he committed his crimes against other comedians and in comedy clubs. If you assault your fellow McDonald's employees and masturbate on your shift in front of other workers, guess what? McDonalds isn't hiring you back... ever. And McDonald's employees wouldn't be like, c'mon please hire the guy back who used to masturbate in front of us! He was so great at making fries!
shnoogums1 it means that the person that messed up can be forgiven in time. If you are friends with someone that messes up you hurt for them and the victim. It’s human nature.
"To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless." - G.K. Chesterton
Chesterton was a maniac.. but glass houses on that shit. I like his quote: The man who cannot believe in his senses and the man who can believe in nothing but his senses are both insane.
Pagan Pilgrim How would you feel if he ask a female you’re close to could he jerk in front of her....oh,she’s obviously very upset as it’s a real creepy thing to do...right?
This is one of many things that make Norm so special, he always supported true values. And he always stayed true to them, until the end. Also, real Norm fans will watch hours of his youtube content until they finally get to a clip like this where Norm is not in character and fall in love with him even more! RIP buddy, I love you!
I really want to know what Louis’s thoughts on Norm’s passing, considering they were close and two titans in the comedy game. I’d love to hear his thoughts on the devastating news about Norm. Rest easy, Turd Furguson. Although you left us way too soon, the resonating wisdom we learned from you will never be forgotten.
this is so sincere and true and honest and hes genuinely encouraging everyone to think about what hes saying, by his cadence, delivery, demeanor...and then in a way only he can do, makes you laugh out loud at the end. he was better than we deserved. rip
drServitis but they already “made it big” under their own conditions and their own system of government. They have a much bigger middle class, universal health care, and have more people with university degrees than any other country, along with much much better infrastructure and public transportation. Bottom line they have been shown to be a happier country in various studies. So why would Canadians want to become part of the USA? It’s bizarre thinking on your part. Unless you’re just trolling
You are correct, and that is part of the reason that America must absorb Canada into our union. NATO membership requires a minimum expenditure on defense of 2% of each country's GDP. Canada signed up to this, but after becoming a NATO member currently only spends 1.3% of its GDP on defense, which allows it to enjoy cradle to grave social welfare, which you described. Pax-Americana has given the world what stability it has since WW2, and Canada parasites off of the USA worse than any other country without contributing its share. We have the same culture, and Canada only has 36 million people, while the USA has 326 million. Canada would be nothing without the USA, and Canada steadfastly refuses to even spend the minimum of its share on defense required by NATO, a defense block whose members by in large parasite off the USA as well. The difference with Canada is that we share North America and we have the same social identity. Allegiance to the King is no longer an excuse not to do what is morally right. America must absorb Canada into our union, voluntarily or by force.
drServitis you’re confused on a number of points here. Most likely Canada will change its Coast Guard from civilian to a military branch, thereby meeting its Nato Commitment. Other countries has shuffled their various government departments around to do this and Canada will likely follow suit. The US and Canada thrive off each other-raw materials, access to markets, educated labor force etc, but this is actually a fairly new development. Canada will have little difficulty accessing other markets and providing its raw materials to other countries. However I assume that, once Trump either resigns or is voted out in 2020, NAFTA will continue on as before. The current congress won’t likely pass the changes to NAFTA that trump seeks and of course a Democratic held conference won’t pass a new NAFTA agreement without Canada being on board. I think you don’t have much grasp on the realities of the balance of US -Canadian trade and autonomy and culture. Canada is officially bilingual. America is not. Canadian Prime Ministers must be bilingual and able to debate and present in both languages. Canada has a national police force that is a paramilitary organization. Canada has universal healthcare and that is a sacrosanct pillar of its society. American states are far far more Autonomous than Canadian provinces. So just because we share some similarities with language and entertainment doesn’t really scratch the surface of the differences between the two cultures. They would never be able to integrate or assimilate in the way you describe. I’d give up on this idea if I were you, it’s not in the realm of possibility. As much as Mexico or Cuba becoming part of the US.
Rest in peace Norm. You were not only one of the funniest people to have ever existed, you were intelligent, articulate, wise and very in tune with your inner divinity. You were a legend amongst comics, more so, a legend amongst musicians, artists and anyone who values creative expression.
“Your heart can break for more than one person at the same time.” Outstanding. He is now immortalized in my family for generations to come, because I will share this quote with my son and his offspring.
norm drops some poetic beautiful gems we can all learn from, then ends with a simple yet hilarious joke "I wanted to use the word unpack" rest easy, friend of many
Really going to miss your insight, Norm. Behind his antics, Norm MacDonald was one of the deepest, most intelligent entertainers in Hollywood. You will be sorely missed, RIP Norm.
So true. Bill Burr commented about it saying how it's Frontier justice. . Where there's no judge or jury. There just didn't seem to be enough reasoning.
I mean Sean Penn is correct, I just wish it didn't come from a guy who physically abused women. Maybe he has paid for doing so, but in a way, I wonder if he volunteered that information on the grounds of his past actions to avoid being cancelled himself.
@Mostly Cooperative In theory I agree with you. However, given that nearly everyone in the USA is functionally mentally retarded in the domain of "basic morality" or "basic civics"(hierarchically-integrated morality), and our prisons are packed full of innocent people, I tend to believe Goethe's view is optimal: "distrust all in whom the urge to punish is strong." Radical punishment minimization is optimal, because human beings "aren't very good at getting governance or punishment correct or proportional." Ross Ulbricht and Julian Assange are rotting in prison, Snowden is in exile, and murderers are running free, "time served." Manning was only released because she'd already been horribly punished, and Obama wanted to score points with the trans community. Further, cop-killers go to prison for long sentences(even when they actively caused their own "murder"), but if you kill a "second class citizen" you might not even go to prison for 10 years. Meanwhile, the prisons are full of non-criminals who are entirely innocent of committing _any_ crime (gun possession; drug possession; tax-nonpayment; etc.). Until America smartens up, I favor erring on the side of minimal punishment, especially for "non-state actors who don't make their livings from the system of unjust punishment" (i.e. "private citizens" like actors, bloggers, etc.). As far as "me too" is concerned, many alleged infractions were not even unjust. They weren't crimes at all. Louis CK whackin' off in front of you might be disturbing (or enjoyable, if you're into that sort of thing), but it doesn't rise to the level of a punishable offense. (He didn't blacklist those actresses trying to eliminate their careers, the way Weinstein did.) As far as ruining actresses' careers because they wouldn't screw you, as per Weinstein, the "me too" response was proportional: they counter-organized against him in the sphere of public ideas, and his exceptional career power over them was eliminated. Maybe those actresses incorrectly believed Louis CK had placed them on a blacklist. Maybe they had a personal judgment against him that was harsher than uninvolved people had. Maybe that judgment was even reasonable. ...They're entitled to do whatever they can against him in the marketplace of ideas; they're fully entitled to publicly criticize him. The problem arises from H.R. departments (something that wouldn't exist as they exist today, in a free market) being empowered with unjust legal power, and legitimate contract law essentially not existing. This is very dangerous for society, because it dramatically strengthens unjust power, and escalates to violence. If you think you can use unconstitutional legal power to ruin people's careers and they won't retaliate with violence, you're mistaken. The people who brought down Weinstein had a good point. ...With respect to that one guy. (Any blacklist of any kind, such as the one Mira Sorvino was placed on, should be viewed by western eyes as communistic, authoritarian, and grotesque.) The problem with opening the door to witch-hunting parties is that witches are very rare, and, worldwide, so is due process.
Never seen him in a real talk with someone else i always see him with the voice everyone does impressions of him of, he really kicked some wisdom their. A bonafide OG
My favorite comedian of all time. My favorite celebrity of all time. Had I the pleasure of knowing him, he may well have been my favorite person of all time. We miss you, Norm.
This is such a mature, nuanced way of looking at things. I agreed with him then and I do now. Hopefully we have matured to the point that we don't have to be vigilantes carrying torches and pitchforks like we were at the onset of the #MeToo movement.
The problem with norms argument here tho is that Louis C.K. never actual did time for the sexual misconduct. I don’t follow Louis c.k. so I don’t know if he’s changed but he never did any time that I could find. Also, the me too movement is def still alive and strong thankfully.
@@THEDisneyNerd I mean legally speaking he's not a criminal, he just did some weird thing that freaked people out I would say. Now in terms of serving his time, it's been five years to almost six (when the months pass) now & he's still a public menace in the public's eyes so I would say he's still serving his time. In terms of him learning something, he did make some jokes about his situation in his special. But specifically talking about it I feel he needs to go do Joe Rogan for that.
I always loved Norm, but this shows what a deeply compassionate and intelligent and kind and sincere as well as courageous man he is. I love you, Norm.
He’s very deep and intricate in a way! Norm just dumbs things down to be funny! A great comic and story teller but I can see he’s very grounded and caring as well.
Love this. First time I seen a great comedian actually talk about humanity and what’s right or wrong. A lot of great comedians act like they’re above everything and find humor in death. Then they distance themselves with someone who gets heat.
Hes said something that most people fail to recognise which ive been thinking for a while. The audience who is present at the show, who watched the special on their own volition, should be the people that determine whether or not a comedian is "cancelled". If a comic is really so horrific and outrageous, then they will lose their supporters without involving online mobs of people who are completely unfamiliar with them.
“Nobody owes me an apology.” I’ve been waiting to hear that from a famous person. Thank you! The amount of people calling for public apologies these days is annoying, and tacky.
Norm, there will never be another like you. Rest In Peace. The world lost you. But you just gained immortality. I am not sad for you. Just for myself and others who adored you. I always loved you, man. Wanted to meet you in person. It will never happen in this world now. See you on the other side one day.
Wow. First time seeing Norm talking dead seriously about something. Gotta say I appreciate him even more now. He truly was an amazingly articulate, intelligent, and compassionate human being.
@@Winterstick549 it’s amazing that when someone gets cancelled by the public, people turn their back on you... your seem to be friends will jump on the bandwagon out of fear they too will be cancelled.
This is the most thoughtful and out of character you'll ever find Norm, you can tell by his odd tone of voice. And I agree with him. How did Louis go from the most sought after comic on earth to a pariah of society with no hope for redemption... and he wasn't accused of raping or even touching anyone? He was only accused of jacking off for them, I mean seriously. Bill Cosby is free. Louis CK is one of the most groundbreaking comics of our generation and he won't be around forever.
Well, the difference between the murderer who did his time and got out of prison and Lewis CK is that in order to do "penance" as Norm calls it, you have to be apologetic and actually take responsibility for what you did. Louis CK never did that. And yes, there is room for forgiveness, even I suppose for a murderer, but the person has to be truly sorry for what they did and Lewis CK never seemed sorry for what he did. He's sorry that he got caught.
00:32 "I'm not hiring that guy" Chris Hedges, who teaches in prisons, has addressed this point persuasively and poignantly: people should check it out!!!
do you not realize that people condemn louis ck out of compassion for the victims? once again, you can have compassion for multiple people, no? isn't that what norm is saying?
@@ryank2465 yeah I didn't say you couldn't have compassion for the victim. The point is that woke culture is so quick to condemn and unforgiving of the accused
@@ryank2465 if you think like that, you won't forgive anyone at all. The guy did a bad thing, his mistake. But I can't understand why comedians, even people that he helped, were so unloyal. At least they could just don't say anything, but don't turn your back and attack your friend. The same thing happened with Roseane: she did a bad thing, but it was so obviously wrong and despicable that I am surprised that none of her fellow comedians wondered about her mental health or other issues. Instead, they condemned her immediately. World should not be this cold. Stick to your people, try to understand them, don't be fast to condemn. I agree that this topic has many point of views though: for example, what about the family of the guy who was murdered? Should they ever forgive? Life's hard and there are no straighforward answers, but everyone should think about this kind of thing.
Norm has such a way of looking at things it's profound... and u can see from younger norm to older norm he's def got a very prolific way of putting things in his prospective! I will miss this comic gold! 3 day norm worm hole lol...
