North Carolina punter picks up own blocked punt and gets first down 

the foot made it past the first down marker

@@jarrodskufcagaming5203 the BALL was a yard behind.

@@awboatif you were a punter who’s never been tackled before, would you like to get rocked trying to make an amazing play just to be short?

Not sure if this was a major factor here, but might be a good reminder that the virtual yellow line on TV is not always in sync with the official first down mark

First down line was exactly the 42 (you can see it at the top of the screen). Ruling on the field was a first down. Camera angle is ahead of the yard line, making it difficult to see exactly how far he went. A good portion of his body is clearly in front of the 42, so I think they couldn't find indisputable evidence that the ball didn't make it to the 42.

not how it works

@@skoop651humans are flawed

should have been targeting

it's a spirit of the game moment

@@skoop651 put yourself in the punter’s shoes

Wow you’re right. Geez what a joke. Shoulda been targeting, 1st down for NC, 15 more yds, and an ejection

not how it works

@@skoop651 it's about the spirit of the game sometimes

@@skoop651no shit you re

Brother I'm with you give it to him. Sometimes karma is with you. It's as if the universe said a punter taking a hit like that give it to him.

@@skoop651 Your right that's not how it works, until it is.

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Leading with the crown too

because he wasn't

Because it didn't happen.

@@skoop651 he was

For leading with the shoulder? HAHA

That wasn’t helmet to helmet

Shoulder into chest is not targeting

@@Thecommish777 You should look up a pic of his face mask. I'd post it, but YT won't let me. The punter's helmet gets pinned between two tacklers and his face mask actually bends inward. I've never seen a face mask bend. That doesn't happen from shoulder to chest contact.

I played semi pro ball and I can verify that a shoulder hit can bend a face mask. It is all about force not how hard the object is. @@jeremyachristensen

Also, the camera angle can make it look like the ball wasn't over the line when it was...

@@hthrun I agree with you on that.

Not a defenseless player...

Doesn’t matter! Head shot. Damaged helmet. Quarterbacks aren’t defenseless, but come close to their head. “Penalty!”

​​@@America-First2024 That's the shitty thing about a foul like targeting, too many parameters have to be met for the officials to call it.... I've seen targeting get called for less, I've also seen much more egregious tackles(TCU v mich) glossed over. We can debate targeting all day long, but there's no debating that the punter was short.

Exactly 😂💯

Dude didn't lead with the crown of his helmet. Slow it down and watch. He just wacked his ass. For it to be targeting he has to drop his head and hit a player with the top aka the crown of his helmet. He didn't do that at all. The rules are on Google

seems like both

Not targeting. If you pause at 0:35, you can see that DB was more or less leading with his back of all body parts, and it's the backside of his helmet that hits the punter's facemask. Since targeting is leading with the top of the helmet, this is not targeting.

@@johnweaver311 Targeting isn't defined as "leading with the top of the helmet". The rule defines targeting as: - Leading with the helmet to make forcible above-the-shoulder contact with an opponent - Targeting and making forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow, or shoulder This defender may start the tackle by turning his back to the punter but if you actually look at the footage he's literally leading with his helmet and shoulder a yard before contact. The actual arguable point is whether he made "forcible above-the-shoulder contact with an opponent". There's a lot of contact with the punter's upper chest and shoulder with "maybe" incidental "above the shoulder/helmet contact". It's at least a judgement call and most likely targeting.

Haha he is gonna lose his little mind

Not targeting. If you pause at 0:35, you can see that DB was more or less leading with his back of all body parts, and it's the backside of his helmet that hits the punter's facemask. Since targeting is leading with the top of the helmet, this is not targeting.

@@johnweaver311 no that’s the old definition from a couple of years ago. It’s anything that makes contact with the helmet now as long as the hitting player launches. Could be a shoulder to head and would still meet that definition. At least that is how I understand it. When I pause at 0:35 I see a defender launching into the ball carrier, with the helmet as the principal point of contact.

@@Bb23199​​⁠​​⁠​⁠ No, that’s on a defenseless player. Here it’s on the ball carrier so (if he’s not sliding) the tackler has to lead with the crown (literally the top) of his helmet for targeting.

His face mask was bent into his face!! Targeting

I'm not sure your interpretation is correct. The only reference in the rulebook to that situation states "All players may catch or recover the ball behind the neutral zone and advance it." There are no approved rulings that confirm a second kick is allowed. What makes you say you can repunt it?

​@@HolySpicoli Page one of the actual rules makes it clear. NCAA Rulebook, Section 1 - General Provisions - Subsection Goal Lines - "... each team shall be allowed opportunities to advance the ball across the other team’s goal line by running, passing or kicking it". This defines "Advance" as "running, passing or kicking". Combine with your quoted section "catch or recover the ball behind the neutral zone and advance it" and a player can elect to "advance" the ball from behind the neutral zone, and may do so via a kick. The various types of kicks are defined in Section 16. Yes, this means you can have a punt blocked behind the LOS, and turn it into a place kick field goal attempt, or a drop kick.

@@bigpoppa1234 I saw that but it didn't seem to make sense because you cannot advance the ball across the goal line by kicking it. But then I thought maybe I'm just lacking imagination... The NFL recently changed the rule on free kicks so that it's a touchback if the ball touches the ground in the end zone, but if a kicker were able to kick high enough that the coverage team could run down and catch the ball on the fly in the end zone, would that still be a touchdown? Obviously that's a completely impractical question but as a matter of theory I suppose it supports kicking as an advancement. Notably, Rule 4-1-3 mentions that the ball may be "kicked, passed or advanced by rule." Every other use of "advance" in the book refers to carrying the ball. I'm surprised there is no approved ruling to clarify.

@@HolySpicoliBecause there's no rule against it. If it's not illegal, it's legal.

Kicking advances the ball, but that doesn’t mean they maintain possession. That said, I’d love to see more CFL/rugby-style kicking rules that would allow a kicking team to take possession of a kicked ball.

Chains and yellow line were not the same.

it is football after all, do you expect them to do something that is sensible?

The whole game is kind of ridiculous when you break it down. Think about how many times the refs spot the ball during the game, and how many times they’re off by a yard or two. Hell, even if they were only off by one inch every time, that adds up to a big discrepancy over the course of the game. Don’t even get me started on the offense having to “not move” before the snap, which isn’t even physically possible.

@@deficitstifflegzercherdeadlift You are definitely correct about this. Equal value should be placed in all instances, regardless of which point of the game it is. I think that an equal application of the rules, as well, should be utilized, instead of this narrative about, 'It's the last two minutes of the game. They should really let that go.'

The replay is a tool, but the original call carried more weight. If there’s any doubt after reviewing the replay, the call on the field stands. Why switch one uncertain call to another uncertain call?

Did the Syracuse guy get up? It looked like he was knocked out when he went down

Wasn’t that a penalty. Seemed like he went in with his helmet

Right, should have been 15 anyway for the cheap shot.

@@jimapplebee5322 I couldn’t really see what happen to him after the hit since they players were in the way. I wouldn’t be surprised if that hit hurt him too.

@@NoTroubleNow I have a two TV setup & the NC/Syracuse was on the TV on the wall & was muted. I only caught one of the last replays on the hit, but yeah, that kid was out like a light.

he almost died...

@@pretzelhunt That's irrelevant.

it's not; it's like 30, 35% of the reason he got it.@@hartsickdisciple I'll be the first to agree that was a "bang/bang(bang) call on-the-field" that could be easily overturned with forensic evidence and a crime lab. They (NCAA) dont want all calls in all scholastic games to *have* to be exacted and reduced to video precision if it's not absolute dogsh+.

@@hartsickdisciple who wants to watch a sport that doesn't reward such valor?

The camera angle we saw was not indesputable. Hard to trust anything that isn't a camera perpendicular to the play.

Not targeting. If you pause at 0:35, you can see that DB was more or less leading with his back of all body parts, and it's the backside of his helmet that hits the punter's facemask. Since targeting is leading with the top of the helmet, this is not targeting.

I was looking for this comment. CORRECT! The ball didn’t travel across the line of scrimmage, so he could absolutely kick it again.

@@beansdad70It was only about 30 years ago in NCAA that it was made illegal to kick from beyond the neutral zone, and it was even more recent that the penalty included loss of down.

It's not about where he is, it's about where the ball is.

I mean, literally no. But I can understand why you feel that way. But also, no.

@@youreallthesame1594 not only is he the punter but he sacrificed his body for the team. It was close enough

@@davidwagner9644 Yeah that's cool but it literally doesn't matter. You either make it or you don't. He didn't.

His spin is 17 and juke is 23.

@@Juice1984solid 82 speed though

you only get one forward pass (correction, AND) one kick per snap

He wasn't given the yard. He made the first down. The yellow line was off a halfyard and the camera was at an angle. What shocked me is they reviewed in slow mo a dozen times and didn't notice the crown of the helmet slamming into the facemask

No

That's a cool detail actually! I think I remember double punts happening... pretty sure the kickers know the rules. Haha they can throw it also if they want like the famous Dolphins guy

You can see the marker in the other side of the field before the play started. He didn't make it.

@@wladmuir wasn’t really lookin at that😂, you right

He sure did, good catch.

lmao

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you got a problem

It's not just helmet-to helmet, or crown of the helmet. Here's the rule: ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting. When in question, it is a foul. ... Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indications of targeting (emphasis NCAA's) include but are not limited to: Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

Is this a serious comment?