NORTH WOOLWICH to PALACE GATES steam train ride 1960

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Filmed in 1960, the journey by steam train through north east London from North Woolwich to Palace Gates near Wood Green (station named for proximity to Alexandra Palace Ally Pally venue). This through journey has not been possible since 1964.
At the start we see what was involved in selling a rail ticket in the days before ticket machines.
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Over the years this route has been lost & found, changing name, purpose & rolling stock with so many connections:
Abandoned North Woolwich www.abandonedstations.org.uk/N...
Disused North Woolwich www.disused-stations.org.uk/n/...
North Woolwich en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_W...
Ticket Issue en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonds...
Crossrail/Elizabeth Line en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossrail en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabe...
Prefabs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefabs...
Royal Docks en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_D...
GER Class 062 Loco en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GER_Cla...
Eastern Counties Railway ECR en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern...
Great Eastern Railway GER en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_E...
Routemaster Bus en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEC_Rou...
Woolwich Ferry • London's WOOLWICH free... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolwic...
River Thames • London's Thames & ROYA... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_T...
Silvertown en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvert...
Docklands Light Railway DLR en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklan...
Custom House en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custom_...
Searchlight Signal en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...
Port of London Authority en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of...
Canning Town en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canning...
District Line en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric...
Hammersmith & City Line en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammers...
North London Line NLL en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...
Silverlink en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlink
London Tilbury & Southend en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London,...
Stratford Market en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratfo... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratfo...
Stratford en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratfo...
Jubilee Line en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee...
Great Eastern Main Line GEML en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_E...
London & Continental Railways LCR en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...
Stratford Works en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratfo...
Central Line en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central...)
London Overground Line en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...
Olympic Park en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_E...
Stratford International en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratfo...
Temple Mills en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_...
Eurotunnel/GetLink en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroTunnel en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getlink
Northern & Eastern Railway N&ER en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norther...
River Lea Bridge en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lea_Bri...
Liverpool Street West Anglia Main Line WAML en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_An...
London Tilbury & Southend en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London,...
Midland Railway MR en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midland...
South Tottenham en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_T...
Lea Valley Lines en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lea_Val...
Seven Sisters en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_S...
GER N7 Class Loco en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GER_Cla...
Palace Gates Line en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_...
West Green en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Gr...
Noel Park and Wood Green en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Pa...
Alexandra Palace Ally Pally en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexand... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexand...
LNER en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...
Palace Gates en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_...
Recommend ‪@JagoHazzard‬'s great films of this route
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@JagoHazzard 3 года назад

This is a fantastic video - I'm planning some videos on this line myself and I was wondering if I might request permission to use some clips from this? With appropriate credit and links, of course.

@AlanSnowdonArchive 3 года назад

Yes JH, please do - and please let me know when you have, as I would like to see what you produce.

@JagoHazzard 3 года назад

@@AlanSnowdonArchive Many thanks!

@AlanSnowdonArchive 2 года назад

Recommended @Jago Hazard viewing, expertly researched & presented Palace Gates line history ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iL2WHDIzYMo.html ...always keen to cross promote to our viewers ru-vid.com

@a11oge 2 года назад

I was brought here via Jago's latest video on Palace Gates station. Goodness, how things have changed since this video was made.

@AlanSnowdonArchive Год назад

Welcome, yes, 'all change' as they say. Jago's Palace Gates compliments his excellent channel... enjoy my archive here www.youtube.com/@AlanSnowdonArchive

@johng5474 2 года назад

Sent here by Jago Hazzard - what a find! Great work.

@bertspeggly4428 2 года назад

I rode on this line a few times from Palace Gates to Stratford in the fifties as a kid. Often at night, it was splendidly run down and spooky, with the old gas lighting and everything. Fond memories! Thanks

@alejandrayalanbowman367 5 лет назад

When I worked for BR, in the 80s as a supervisor on night shift, I had responsibility for all the freight services throughout Essex including North London. I recall getting called out to Temple Mills yard and arriving to find everybody at the gates waiting for me to tell them what to do - a trainload of explosives had de-railed; on another occasion it was a nuclear flask that was 'ticking' - somebody had left a radiation meter inside. My job also included the North Woolwich line and I spent an afternoon with others going up and down to ensure that 4472 the Flying Scotsman would pass under the bridges when it was conveying the Queen Mother to N. Woolwich station.

@stolpinski1 3 года назад

This is fantastic footage of a bygone era. For me, growing up in Silvertown as a young child in the mid sixties the clip with all the wagons and shunters in the docks brings back fabulous memories. One of the shunters looks like a Janus 0-6-0. I can just about remember the dock railway complex being very busy and such a fascinating place for the attention of a five year old. Thanks for sharing and bringing back the memories.

@AlanSnowdonArchive 3 года назад

It makes the effort so worthwile to receive a response like this from you. Thank you Sir/M'am !

@jerribee1 2 года назад

Just looked up PLA Diesel Locomotives and, yes you're right. It was a Janus, built by the Yorkshire Engine Company.

@philippankhurst6680 2 года назад

A priceless record of a world that has totally vanished.

@davidsirett5560 2 года назад

Jago Hazzard sent me here. fascinating film.

@jeremypreece870 2 года назад

This is a really great video showing how much things have changed. I found this video via a link on a Jago Hazzard video. So much was about to be lost forever when this was filmed, but you get the sense that the decline had already set in. Isn't it ironic that they scrapped the trolley buses and decades later are moving public transport away from petrol!

@AlanSnowdonArchive 2 года назад

I understand that in UK all the buses run on Diesel Oil - safer than petrol.

@jeremypreece870 2 года назад

@@AlanSnowdonArchive You are correct about diesel being used on public transport! BTW, it is now considered to be worse than petrol, hence the price of diesel is higher than petrol. Nottingham is one of several UK cities that have restored electric trams and when I used to travel to Zurich for work in the 1990's, I used to ride around on electric trams, very efficient and very clean!

@eattherich9215 2 года назад

@@jeremypreece870: buses in London are moving away from diesel to lower emission vehicles. We have a tram network south of the capital and the a light rail system that goes into the capital.

@highpath4776 2 года назад

@@AlanSnowdonArchive I think the last petrol engined PCVs were the Bedford OB and some of the Bedford SBs, plus the odd minibuses

@russellnixon9981 2 года назад

Enjoyed watching this, A delightful glimpse in to a time past. Thanks to Jago for the link.

@johnsaunders2109 2 года назад

I came from Fulham, miles away on the other side of London, but this area fascinated me with its maze of railways and its industrial landscape so unlike my home area! I spent many a happy weekend on Red Rovers to this area and travelling the railways , which, unfortunately, were not included in the Rover ticket! It was truly like visiting another city, especially as steam trains were a thing of the past in the local Southern Region! I still find this area fascinating.

@1258-Eckhart 2 года назад

A wonderful historic document with an excellently informative voiceover.

@HowardLeVert 5 лет назад

I worked on the Olympic site in 2012 and often wondered what it was like fifty years prior. Thanks to this film, I know now. Thank you :)

@majorpygge-phartt2643 3 года назад

So there was some steam trains operating just across the river from where I lived in the 60's, only now I find out, 50-odd years too late, all I ever saw when I lived there was old southern region electric units and the odd diesel hauled freight. But I remember the old units in green before they repainted them in that dreadful dreary blue shade which looked dreadful when filthy which most BR trains usually were. And I'm so glad someone filmed all this as I lived just south of the river for 7 years while this was happening and I never got to see any of it. And there's two dirty great brick tower blocks there now where our house used to be, and several neighbouring houses, including my granny's house round the corner, which had really long gardens, all gone now. Now I'm about 200 miles away and I haven't been back down there since 1974. And if all this ended in 1964 then no wonder I never saw it as we only moved there that year.

@jajabinx35 10 месяцев назад

This is hidden treasure. Thanks for sharing this.

@paulhaynes8045 Год назад

What a fascinating video - and packed full of information. An excellent recommendation from Mr Hazzard!

@grantbeerling4396 6 лет назад

Wow, what a document......Spent so many hours researching this area on foot and bicycle stood on the Silvertown footbridge. The area has always suffered with under investment, but I always return just for a fry up at the Cafe at North Woolwich ..... a ride on the ferry, a walk back through the tunnel, around Victoria Gardens, onto Thames Barrier park..... Met some great local people, slowly the area is being gentrified....last of the east end...I lived on the isle of dogs 1981-2 again fond memories...

@eattherich9215 3 года назад

I love stumbling upon stuff like this. Thank you, Mr Snowden.

@AlanSnowdonArchive 3 года назад

Thanks very much for your generous praise. However I must correct your spelling of my surname. SnowdOn, or as I used to say: - I'm Snow'd-on, not Snow'd under - when the workload got too heavy!!

@tsrgoinc 3 года назад

Canning Town station burnt down at some point and wasn’t replaced for about 10 years as I remember, I remember it being built as I travelled along to Highbury and Islington to get to the Victoria line to Warren Street as a kid to visit mum at her job for lunch once a week during the summer holidays, happy days! ☺️

@glynwelshkarelian3489 2 года назад

Please tell us more. It sounds like a odd and fascinating story. In the last week of the summer term were you looking forward to visiting your mum's work the next Tuesday?

@flippop101 4 года назад

Another wonderful film worthy of so much praise. Very grateful. Thank you!

@davidnash41 8 лет назад

This has brought back memories. I was born in Plumstead on the other side of the Thames and would often cross the river on the Woolwich Ferry to look at the steam trains at North Woolwich station, and sometimes, if pocket money allowed, to travel to Stratford on the steam train. Lovely video, many thanks.

@Jimyjames73 2 года назад

Yes Interesting to see what has changed over the decades!!! Got this link from Jago!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂

@raymondjohnkemp 8 лет назад

Alan thank you so much for putting this film on the web. It means so much to me. I lived in Seaford Road, Tottenham near the Seven Sisters junction. My earliest memories are of these locomotives steaming backwards and forwards to Palace Gates which I could see from our house and from our back garden. Sometimes I was woken by the explosives used on the line to warn trains during fog that there was a junction and red signal ahead. Thank you so, so much for sharing this film.

@ds1868 7 лет назад

Fascinating recording, thanks for posting this! I've never seen any recordings of the Palace Gates branch, it's amazing how so much has changed since 1960! There are only a few indications left that there was any branch line to Alexandra palace at all. The South Tottenham Junction at 5:51 is also interesting, today it's only a single line up the embankment to Seven Sisters used for freight only. How useful it would be to re-instate passenger services from Seven Sisters to Barking. Just goes to show that, in many ways, we've gone backwards and not forwards with passenger services like this.

@AlanSnowdonArchive 2 года назад

According to an official map I have of lines in and around London, issued by TfL and "National Rail" South Tottenham and Seven Sisters ststions are under 10 minutes walk apart. So I suppose they are suggesting that exercise is good for you - even if you might be pregant or disabled, burdened with shopping or parcels and it's raining "Cats & Dogs"

@johncourtneidge 2 года назад

Thank-you! A real gem!

@ShedTV 2 года назад

Came here from Jago Hazzard. You've got a new subscriber.

@eattherich9215 2 года назад

Me too, only to discover that I have already seen and commented upon this video. Still, it's good to see it again.

@brucemasters3487 2 года назад

During the 1950s an excursion ran from Hertford to Southend on Wednesdays, at a return fare of 6 shillings. It was the only passenger service to use the link between Palace Gates and Bowes Park stations, as far as I am aware.

@AlanSnowdonArchive 2 года назад

So it WAS allowed for Passenger Trains ! Thank You, that I did not know. 😉

@philclennell Год назад

Amazing brief footage of Abbey Mills Jct, with it's long defunct connection to the LTSR line from Fenchurch St. The only view I've ever seen on RU-vid.

@androidloid2191 2 года назад

That is some good London railway history there. Very interesting.

@who9387 4 года назад

I used to use part of this line when at school in the 60's. They used to run a football special from N W to Northumberland Park (via Stratford Low Level) for Spurs home games. It wasn't steam, the whole route was a mass of sidings and other lines. Used the foot tunnel under the river and the train left at 1:30, ah happy days.

@ianburnett7333 Год назад

Cine film is a gem!

@cjck311 5 лет назад

This collection of films are fantastic! Thank you Alan, for sharing your historical memories of an age gone by! And your Wife's narration is delightful also! I live in Florida, US, born around the time of your earlier filming (1961) I have never been to England, but though through your films I feel as though I have... I am simply fasinated by those trains of those times. I would have loved to have actually rode on those trains! Thank you again for your preservation and presentation of British railway history!

@rotherham37 2 года назад

This must be 1961, as trolleybuses have gone from Caning Town, but still in Wood Green.

@witzendoz 8 лет назад

When I was about 11 years old in 1967, I used to play around the closed Palace Gates station, I even walked along the closed railway to Noel Park. Now I live on the other side of the world, great memories.

@peebee143 7 лет назад

You and I are about the same age, pal. I used to get into the old Noel Park station next to Wood Green High Road, walked up to Palace Gates a number of times, got into the Charrington's coal yard next to the station and also into what is now known as Bounds Green Depot which can also been seen briefly in the film. I remember one of the rooms on the old station being full of enamel signs from the various stations. Happy days!!

@witzendoz 7 лет назад

Funny, I also remember the line between Edmonton (lower Edmonton) and Angel Road being there, I think we used to cross a level crossing on that line when visiting some family out that way, funny how you remember things as a child.

@andrea22213 6 лет назад

Alan Dawson, that's right. The track was still embedded in the road and there were disused level crossing gates and odd lengths of old platform. Then all that was cleared away and replaced by a roundabout in front of The Cross Keys. The old shops and arcade went to allow for the present shopping centre, and the station was renamed Edmonton Green.

@shaddersshadwell4941 5 лет назад

We used to cycle down from Southgate to play around the old Palace Gates platform in the early/mid 70’s before they levelled the site. There were no platform buildings then

@jamesgilbart2672 3 года назад

Wonderful footage of such a different scene - great commentary too!

@paulhwbooth Год назад

Excellent, thanks.

@andrewhotston983 Год назад

Thank you; fascinating video.

@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus 2 года назад

A very interesting film, i lived in East Ham in the 1970s and remember the Woolwich line back then, very run down but you could still signs of its former glory. Even now there are still signs of the Palace Gates line, hump back bridges in side roads can be seen from the West Green Road, at West Green station site, the bridge walls are still there alongside the road but all below is now filled in. At Turnpike Lane, Westbury Avenue still climbs high above the former trackbed, now allotments. And at Palace Gates there are still remains of the platforms at the rear of Bounds Green Depot, when i was a driver the Res Class 47 locos used on charters & thunderbird locos would be stabled on the Palace Gates roads...... And just to think, in 1960 BR were busy electrifiying their lines while London Transport was busy ripping apart the biggest Trolleybus system in the world!

@AlanSnowdonArchive 4 месяца назад

You have a lot of knowledge and great footage my subscribers will enjoy via www.youtube.com/@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus ... Regarding trolleybuses, yes that was short sighted, see my happy memories south of the river at Woolwich ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aYk5E17te84.html

@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus 4 месяца назад

@@AlanSnowdonArchive thank you, i shall enjoy watching that......

@cjayos7654 4 года назад

Interesting to see what my first home, Wood Green High Road, would have looked like at the time of my birth in the 70s (7:16). Now the Shopping City is on the site.

@Keithbarber 3 года назад

On the site of wood green and noel park station preventing the reopening of the line I would wager most of the old line is blocked

@Steven_Rowe 8 лет назад

this is truly amazing and I am overjoyed by it. very little footage exists of it. I am building an O gauge model of Westgreen Station. this is the first time I have ever seen video footage of West Green

@petermartin3818 Год назад

4.34 shows a red 'Pooley' weighing machine servicing wagon and may well be the one preserved at the East Anglian Railway Museum near Colchester in Essex. The vehcle is the sole survivor of 3 built for the Pooley weighing machine company for servicing and calibrating railway weighing machines ranging from the coin in the slot personal weighing machines to the parcels office scales and heavy weigh- bridges in goods yards. The vehicle at the Museum will feature as the centre point of our new exhibition facility currently under construction.

@shadyninja1 7 лет назад

wow I can't believe this is the same north Woolwich north London line

@tsrgoinc 3 года назад

The custom house station was still like like that when I was in the 70’s before they a built a modern ticket hall in the early 80’s. As kids we used climb into the docks after they were disused in the late 70’s early 80’s over the bridge shown at 1:51 the entrance was locked but we would climb around the outside with a 20ft plus drop but it held fear back then!

@disullivan958 2 года назад

Brilliant film.

@amethyst7084 2 года назад

Fascinating video! Thanks for uploading and sharing this.

@ianmaddams9577 2 года назад

Wonderful old footage it’s such a shame we lost so many wonderful old locomotives and stations.

@GNTel313 Год назад

Wow.... so evocative of a time since long gone. Just watched this and the Palace Gates line film by Jago Hazard. Both superbly done. It's really difficult to imagine a rail line once existed along here if you disregard the various bridges, embankments and other infrastructure that was left behind to remind us of the once glorious days of British Railways

@davidparker1821 6 дней назад

Looking back to a better time

@send2gl 2 года назад

Fascinating video.

@bianchikat 3 года назад

I remember my father taking me to Stratford Low Level in the early 1960's to travel to North Woolwich, I can't remember wat kind of train we travelled in but I do remember being terrified by a Class 15 or 16 rumbling through Stratford Low Level and sounding its horn..we lived beside a railway line and I was used to steam engines but not these new diesels..

@seanmurphy5770 2 года назад

Thank you for the upload very good look at a bygone era and fantastic commentary.

@mr51406 2 года назад

Hello from Montreal.🇨🇦 Your channel is a treasure trove! Thanks ever so much. 🌟 I LOVE old train footage! I grew up on the former CN electric train line to Deux-Montagnes which went under Mount Royal. It still had some original rolling stock from its opening in 1918 until its modernization in the 1992 and being reconstructed as the REM (a DLR-style line). Jago Hazzard also sent me here.

@TheDaf95xf 5 лет назад

Great video and great commentary 👍🏻

@tubegirl1013 2 года назад

lovely video

@johnm2012 3 года назад

Fascinating archive footage.

@drevo50 2 года назад

Wonderful film. I'd no idea there was ever a link to Bowes Park.

@petersmith4455 2 года назад

hi. what a great video, wish all this was still here now,this was when train journies were exciting because there was a steam loco on the front and as children we loved it,the Jinties were a favorite of mine

@alanmunro 7 лет назад

north Woolwich to palace gates was a linesman on part of the line great thanks

@soundnicetome 8 лет назад

Talk about bring back memories...so much change. I remember viisiting the closed station when demolition had started..and also Muswell Hill station,both station buildings remaining for a couple of years before the station buildings were demolished completely..so sad really both lines are still very vivid in my memory...ah so much for progress eh?

@peebee143 7 лет назад

I can remember once seeing one of the track lifting trains crossing the bridge above Wood Green High Road, class 31 with a track lifting wagon

@codey346 Год назад

Im at my grandads house and we always talk about trains because he worked on the railway and he says to search “north woolwich to palace gates 1960s” not thinking what type of video until it’s a video I’ve seen so many times! It’s my grandad who was driving, peeping his head out of the window, de railing on he trains. (Ect) So wonderful! Don’t believe me search up Herbie Woodward

@MMiskos 5 лет назад

Thank you for sharing this video. It's a glimpse into the areas past and should be treasured. I remember (late 70s, 4 yrs old) the disused track and the path that went under the bridge/track in Nightingale Gardens, at the end of Braemar Avenue where my grandparents lived. I will go back to find the site of Palace Gates station 😊

@peebee143 2 года назад

I remember that little dive-under, it was at the end of the memorial garden parallel to Braemar Avenue. (I was at Cubs in Braemar Church Hall.) The dive-under became redundant when the bridge over Park Avenue was demolished and the railway fence was dismantled and the area landscaped.

@MMiskos 9 месяцев назад

@@peebee143yes! I visited recently and took a picture of the church hall as it is quite dilapidated and won't be around much longer. As a kid the foot tunnel was dark and spooky. The steel bollards are still there at the start of the path on the Dorset Road side. Fascinating to have this personal connection to a place with so much shared history!

@chrismccartney8668 2 года назад

Great video

@ianhelps3749 3 года назад

Growing up in the 1960s I remember there were prefab houses everywhere. Also lots of Nissen huts.

@marvwatkins7029 2 года назад

Thanks, 'Jago'! Circa 1961-62? It's nice to hear a woman 'train spotter's' voice for a change.

@ESquirez 3 года назад

Amazing

@wildswan60021 8 лет назад

Wow! This is a wonderful record of a fascinating railway. I remember seeing an N7 pass underneath the LT/LTS lines and wonder where it was going-in the summer of 1962, l think. I took my first trip down Albert Road in one of those shiney new Routemasters and finally rode in a DMU to North Woolwich, but sadly after the Palace Gates branch closed. Thank you so much for sharing.

@Steven_Rowe 8 лет назад

tommy a smashin bit of vid remember the line well

@wildswan60021 8 лет назад

+steven rowe Steve, the odd thing is that Tilbury steam finished in June 1962, GE steam in September 1962. I was amazed when l saw that N7, thinking it was ages since l'd seen steam on the LTS. Such is the passage of time when you are 8...Also l remember that by the early 70s the black paint applied over the overhead illuminated sign in the subway at Stratford Station had worn away sufficiently to reveal 'Palace GatesIf the branch had held on for a few more years, with today's more enlightened attitude it would have probably been thriving by now.

@Steven_Rowe 8 лет назад

wildswan60021 Tommy boy I will treasure this video, it is so apart of my life. If you view it at 6.38 after the train leaves Seven Sisters you will see a shot out the window on straight track , it shows Avenue Road bridge, I was born in Avenue Road. Part of the line is still used where it diverges off the Gospel Oak Barking line and joins the Enfield town line, it is electrified. Also the gospel oak barking line is now in the process of electrification. Now is here is the really interesting thing. There are plans for crossrail two and guess what???? A connection between Woodgreen and Sevensisters. It will probably be tunnel. Woodgreen shopping town is built on the site of Noel Park station but much of the track bed and bridges down to Sevensisters still exist . Westgreen station was in a cutting and filled in. How much does tunneling cost. If the bluebelle can open up a cutting at East Grinstead then why not do the same at West green Who knows I bet they have at least considered it as they urinate on Beechings tomb stone

@wildswan60021 8 лет назад

+steven rowe Steve, it's good to know that maybe even at this point in time maybe not all is lost...And guess who's got a Lea Bridge totem in his basement...the best nine quid l ever spent!

@Steven_Rowe 8 лет назад

wildswan60021 its in the basement cause Mrs W dont want it in the front room that keeps locked and only for visitors when the royal albert gets used.

@BoogiesTrains 5 лет назад

Fantastic. On my Boogies Trains channel I've posted some recent video of the line from Stratford to Canning Town, with subsequent parts going on to Custom House and North Woolwich. I think I need to do a film about Stratford to Seven Sisters to show how it is now. I hear that there is now nothing to see of the line beyond Seven Sisters apart from the connection at Bounds Green depot.

@AlanSnowdonArchive 2 года назад

Great channel ru-vid.com recommending to my viewers ... appreciate any cross-promotion of mine too ru-vid.com

@Krzyszczynski 8 месяцев назад

My gosh, Wood Green High Road looks so empty at 7:06! Wonder what time of the day it was filmed. In the early 60s we must have driven dozens of times under that bridge, on the way to my grandma's place over at Dartmouth Park. I can clearly remember the little signal cabin on the west side, and the old semaphore nearby, but we were disappointed never to see a train passing across.

@jajabinx35 8 месяцев назад

Was the station where argos is today in wood green?

@ianthomsonnewman4048 6 лет назад

I first got to know that line around 1953; then the locomotives were F5 2-4-2Ts.

@Ben-xe8ps 3 года назад

i don't remember steam on this line but I do recall that services from North Woolwich in the late 60's early 70's being operated by DMU's. Not sure where they terminated ... Tottenham Hale? I'm sure they went beyond Stratford although could be wrong. I remember the old cardboard tickets, pre-printed for more popular destinations or destination and price hand written on the ticket for less popular destinations from the station. Round trip tickets were torn in half at the destination, with half collected and the other half retained for the return journey although in the 70's this was changed with the whole ticket retained for the entire round-trip journey and the format changed. I can also remember the 'Child or Dog' tickets where as the child and dog fares were the same the ticket read Child or Dog.

@jerribee1 2 года назад

I got one those old DMUs from Tottenham Hale one night to Stratford. Not sure if it continued on to North Woolwich. I seem to recall that the carriage was quite dimly lit and so were the stations. If you didn't know the stations, I don't think you would know where you were.

@railwaychristina3192 10 месяцев назад

Looks like a Pisarro painting

@majorpygge-phartt2643 3 года назад

This brings back memories, not all good ones. There used to be some prefabs on bloomfield road where we lived, and if I remember right they were made from dreadfully dangerous asbestos.

@eattherich9215 2 года назад

Asbestos was a feature of building materials. If you had 'Artex' ceilings or lived in post-war local authority housing, asbestos would be present.

@majorpygge-phartt2643 2 года назад

@@eattherich9215 I remember that one old chap who lived in one of the prefabs was seriously ill and quite possibly dying and I remember my mum telling me at the time that the council used to send people round to work on those homes and sometimes that involved scraping the walls and therefore creating deadly asbestos dust. And there used to be some small amounts of asbestos in my present home, like the hearth under my gas fire, and in the main fuse holder on my electric supply, but I've long since managed to get rid of it all thank goodness. And at the last house I lived in with my parents two of my bedroom walls were also asbestos so I couldn't have a normal light switch and instead I had to have a ceiling mounted cord switch like you have in a bathroom.

@eattherich9215 2 года назад

@@majorpygge-phartt2643: my last flat was a council block. The building surveyor told me that asbestos might be in the kitchen and I had to warn my builder accordingly.

@highpath4776 2 года назад

@@eattherich9215 Mostly the floor tiles,

@highpath4776 2 года назад

@@majorpygge-phartt2643 The oddest building I found with asbestos was an incredibly overpriced Bungalow in Wanstead, a really nice late 1950s / Early 1960s and the (deceased) owner had a OO model railway in the vast loft, the main building was sort of timber panelled with narrow vertical strips of dark stained timber, but the Asbestos was mainly in the electric heaters and the fuse board - with the asbestos cloth behind the fuses turning to wadding and flaking off. !

@Sam_Green____4114 7 лет назад

As a freight Guard in 1980s I used to be the Guard regularly on a Cambridge[ Foxton ] to Tilbury [Docks ]cement train after being relieved and waiting the return empties at Stratford.On night we came to a stand opposite Temple mills yard on the same line the train is on at about 04 05. We waited and waited but the signal stayed red .Eventually the driver asked me to get on the signal post telephone .I climbed down off the Loco to get to the signal to use the phone. No good ! Phone vandalised and smashed up . I tell the driver that I can see signal on opposite line a bit further ahead . So I go there ,same thing .Phone handset vandalised .Keeping looking around in the dark .I find a telephone on a short post . Vandalised . Telephone on wall vandalised . Walk back to train .Tell the driver we both agree no option but to walk back to Temple Mills east box looking for a phone on the way .Starts walking back ,keeping on the Temple Mills side looking out for phones . I see some old building looking like old shunters cabins or concrete porto Cabins .So I decided to go there .But I didn`t have much hope of finding anyone or any working telephone anywhere .Buy this time Temple Mills freight yard was quiet and didn`t have much traffic and was on the point of closure .Being very derelict and overgrown . Temple Mills saw very little activity during the day so I thought it very unlikely to find anyone around at about 9 or 10 in the evening or later . Not having much hope of finding anyone or a phone I walked to square concrete building and when I went in I couldn`t believe it there were about 20 or 30 black men .All shunters I assume, sat together at tables ,drinking smoking ,playing cards and dominoes .It looked like a gambling den in the 1930s America .A speak easy type place with the air thick with cigarette smoke and chattering away in Jamaican English . . They all fell silent and looked at me ! I could get over the shock of coming off a quiet ,deserted freight yard and walking into this building full off people. Eventually I blurted out I needed a working telephone to contact the signalman and was pointed to one on a desk . I was told to wait for the signal to change as there was a broken down train the other side of Tottenham hale . On a different day , on the loaded wagons ,coming to Stratford we slipped to stand at Channelsea Junction because the rails were wet . I had to take sand out the Loco`s sand boxes and keep applying them to the rails .We were double headed with two class 31 loco`s . I remember some P way guy arriving grumbling about " Rail Burns to my Rails with your Locos !" .

@Sam_Green____4114 7 лет назад

Another time whilst waiting for the empties in the messroom at Stratford station the phone rang .It was control to tell us the empties from Tilbury were to be very late were we going to wait ?". I said yes but the Cambridge driver said no " I `m going back passenger !" . Control said " Thank you for staying we`ll send you a Stratford driver ". He turn up and we waited .Eventually the empties arrived about 3 hours or 4 hours late .It must have been about 2 Am or closer to 3 AM . The trouble is by this time all the boxes on the direct route were closed .Brimsdown ,Enfield Lock , Cheshunt ,Broxbourne etc etc .The Driver says " Control says we have to go via the North London line to Finsbury Park . To get on the GN to Cambridge via Royston .Do you sign it ? " . i said " No " . he said " oh don`t worry about it .You `ll be alright .!" .By this time I was so tired and wanted to get home I didn`t care ! So I said yes . So we went round the Channelsea curve and instead of turning right to Tottenham hale went straight on towards Hackney Central . There I was trundling along the North London Line at 3 AM on a long train of Presflos on a line I had no route knowledge of and not knowing where was praying nothing would happen going through unfamiliar stations hackney wick , Homerton ? Cannonbury off at Calendonian Road and up to Finsbury Park and onto the GN, relieved to be back on a line I knew ! Arriving back at Cambridge at 4 ,5 am at last !

@Sam_Green____4114 7 лет назад

On a different day the loaded Presflos turned up late again from TILBURY .late enough for the boxes at Brimsdown and Enfield Lock to closed but early enough for the Southbury line still to be open via Turkey Street .So we took the same route as shown in this video . Around the Channel sea curve ,Temple Mills East Junction , Lea Bridge, ,Coppermills junc , Then instead of going straight on at Tottenham Hale , around to the left at Tottenham Hale south Junction , through Tottenham Hale south station then around to Seven Sisters then through Turkey Street to rejoin the direct Cambridge line at Cheshunt .The only other time I worked over the Tottenham hale south junction to Seven Sisters route was a week doing a shuttle on an EMU from Stratford for driver training on Electric units and Route learning .

@AlanSnowdonArchive 7 лет назад

Wow! have you thought of writing a book of your experiencies?

@kemmerer 7 лет назад

I remember going into that shunter's cabin as well. What an amazing atmosphere.

@donrebel1340 2 года назад

never knew that trolley buses run on the seven sisters road i grew up around there and west green is now called west green road a very busy area for shopping...hope im right about that

@TheUndergroundMap Год назад

Hi Alan. I was wondering if I could remix your video with old maps? I would redirect viewers back to the original source

@jeremywilcox 7 лет назад

For completeness Lea Bridge is now open. Another line that is now needed again.

@AlanSnowdonArchive 7 лет назад

Yes, I have read of the re-opening, but living south of London and being now over 80, I don't get arround as much as I' d like.

@Keithbarber 3 года назад

And for the record, as of August 2020, work on reinstating hall farm curve has commenced

@tulyar1043 3 года назад

@@Keithbarber Has any work been done to reinstate any of the line from Palace Gates to Stratford?

@Keithbarber 3 года назад

@@tulyar1043 they will never be able to reinstate the line from palace gates as the majority of the trackbed is built upon and blocked between seven sisters and site of palace gates station

@tulyar1043 3 года назад

@@Keithbarber I'm sorry to hear that. Short sightedness in the 1960s.

@railwaychristina3192 2 года назад

Lea Bridge re opened

@trainrover 11 месяцев назад

wow..! chock full of info, and this foreigner of an ex-lower-Thames Valley dweller hadn't needed, e.g., a map to follow all those referencings 🍸

@timothysmith8300 5 лет назад

how dare they demolish stratford loco shed so they could build the pathetic olimpic stadium what a waste of money they could have used that money to build a hole fleet of steam loco s call it progress its a monstress waste of good railway land bring back steam and its equipment .

@andrewlong6438 4 года назад

Most people would disagree with you about Olympic stadium. Anyway it’s now used by West Ham and for athletics/concerts. If you like steam trains there are plenty of heritage railways around where you can travel on them.

@highpath4776 2 года назад

@@andrewlong6438 Somehow there was no gain in sporting facilities (I think one running track on Hackney Marshes was lost) and Upton Park went to housing, so no net sporting legacy. The London Stadium could have been a 2nd Wembley, for internationals (inc womens) and other team sports and events.