Not "Pro" Enough...Blackmagic Studio 4K G1 vs URSA 4.6K G2

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If there is one thing that I don't look forward to when working with the Blackmagic design kit, it's the Blackmagic Studio 4K "Pro". From the live streaming capture to the editing room, this camera consistently brings us problems.
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@robwalker8530 Год назад

Actually, I feel the extra features of the studio converter make it worthwhile... (1) power is sent to the camera via the ethernet, so you don't need a local power source. (2) the ccu return is also transmitted via the ethernet, so a second coax cable is not required for control, and (3) you can send a video feed to the camera via return 2, that will output via the hdmi connector. We have found this super useful for confidence monitors in our interview areas. I wish, however, BM had included ethercon connectors for the ethernet, that would have been a nice feature. Alas, I too miss the optical fiber connection of the previous camera. That worked well for us for a number of years.

@SimplestUsername 9 месяцев назад

This is correct, he's comparing it to single mode fiber when in reality the ethernet studio converter replaces the functionality of a SMPTE fiber optic cable, which cost over $30 a foot. In an apples to apples comparison it's an absolute bargain.

@flyviawall4053 Год назад

Even worse, the ethernet output is not SMPTE-2110 and it’s fixed address, meaning you cannot use standard SMPTE-2110 converter to pull back SDI, nor routing signal via a normal network switch. If it can, for example wire up several cameras into a 10Gbps switch with 100Gbps uplink port, we can use that single 100Gbps link to carry all signal from cameras. Cabling will get so much easier. But it can’t, you must use a bmd converter pair with a single camera. What a shame.

@KidTonyGaming 10 месяцев назад

BMD pulling an Apple, creating problems so they can sell solutions. Ever since RED failed on all their promises the prosumer market is dominated by sharky companies.

@StudioTyson 6 месяцев назад

Excellent and useful information! Thanks for getting so granular on this product!

@hikerboy1963 Год назад

Thanks John. I was looking at getting some of the Studio 4k Cams for our church as well as some Ursa's and have now changed my mind about the Studio cams.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Super glad to be able to help 😃😁

@yellartv Год назад

We have 4 studio 4k and 4 pocket 4k and they match up well. We use all panasonic glass. Footage is crystal clear. Infact we was just awarded an international contract because of our quality. We do work in extended video mode.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Very happy to hear about the contact! get it 👏👏 How do you manage color matching the Pocket 4K (Gen 4 Color), and Studio 4K Pro (Gen 5 Color)? Do you use LUTs? I’ve found that very difficult with our URSA’s.

@gustafapplequist9059 Год назад

John, great video! Thanks for producing it. Will you be giving the latest generation of these studio cameras, that were introduced last week, a try?

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Thanks! I would love to give it a try, but I won’t be purchasing one. If I am able to get my hands on one I’ll certainly make a video 🙃

@Callmedstone 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for doing this. I was tempted to buy one because of its specs, especially the screen, controls, and connectors. Its wild how theres always a set of gotchas with BlackMagic .

@johnwoods9380 29 дней назад

This is my favorite review I've seen in 2024

@GaricsPeter 5 месяцев назад

You summarized my main complaints well. We have the G1 studio cameras, and it is impossible to color match them with other cameras - despite the color wheels. I was really disappointed how unusable they are. Even the smallest correction to a direction is too much. Wanna compensate for green? Now the signal has too much red or blue. They always change their color science in every new generation. Unless you use the same singe model of cameras, you are locked out if you want to extend your setup. It is a bummer because they have unmatched functionalities like SDI and remote control, but other functionality like auto focus, and color doesn't match up.

@nottyknotz Год назад

I've been researching this camera for years in which I find still very little in depth reviews. Most of the videos is a review of the first year with it but moreso focuses on features. This is actually the first video that explained the areas of development for this camera. I have a blackmagic cinema 6K in which the color science does not compare to our Sony a6600. I'm curious to know if you had looked into the Blackmagic Studio 6k and early thoughts of it. Would love to see another video covering that camera.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Thanks! If I’m able to get my hands on one for some time I’d gladly make a video on it :)

@sky.london Год назад

Making me giggle always gets a like. Nice video, loved the info and humour.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Thanks! 😄

@danm4320 Год назад

A lot of stuff that can be fixed with a software update and I really hope they do it soon

@KeeganRobin Год назад

this stuff is so strangely overlooked by Blackmagic. there must be some kind of hardware/software compromise to keep the camera relatively affordable. Good video John, it's super real. Reminds me of how Marques Brownlee talks in his videos.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Yeah, some very strange stuff. and thanks! what a huge compliment wow 👾

@RyanSomerfield Год назад

Are you using the video or extended video Lutz on your cameras? I have been using exclusively extended video and mash all the different cameras quite well.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

I have tried all of them, but usually I use Video. I also find the colour to be different if selecting “Video” on the Record tab when selecting dynamic range, vs selecting “Film” on the Record Tab, and then adding the Gen5 > Video LUT on the monitor tab. I’m using them again in two weeks’ time for a gig, so I’ll give it another go on Extended Video 💪🏼

@tommibjork 11 месяцев назад

Is it really single mode fiber? I get the price reference but SMF? They are so fragile and honestly prone to signal amplitude issues if coupling is not spot on.

@sciCHD Год назад

Hey, very informative video man ! Thanks a lot we'll appreciate. Cheers from Geneva Switzerland

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Happy to hear it! 😄

@PastorJoeSpence Год назад

Hey what’s the best way to color match? We use 1 Ursa G2, 1 BMPCC 4k , 2 micro studio cam 4k to live stream. Thank you for your help.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Rough! To be honest, what has worked best for me is to take a day where you have some time off, record clips, bring them into DaVinci and create a LUT for them. At least to help with the big brushstrokes.

@Filmtour Год назад

yea definitely good points to concider before buying! great video John!

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Thanks for watching ☺️ hope it helped!

@locust108 Год назад

Great video ! Everything you said so far is true. All your gripes about the camera the iso the color differences. I experience them on a regular basis. As we use two 4k pros and one bmpcc 6k. For live streaming each week. And I’ve encountered these many small issues. There’s work around. But yes these are annoying. Well said. I hope they improve these things. It would be nice to record in ProRes on the camera. It would be nice that Ethernet didn’t need an expensive 995 converter. Per camera. It would also be nice if my newly bought camera would not get discontinued. So quickly after one year. With newer model that’s virtually the same with small tweaks.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Thanks! Completely agree. If the only camera that is being used is a Studio 4K Pro, then it’s totally usable. We still have to adjust the colour, but at least they’ll match. How do they look compared to the 6K? I’ve never used it in live-streaming but I’ve used it for other work and thought it was great.

@locust108 Год назад

@@JohnCastillo looks good but sometimes the 6k footage always looks more cold compared to the 4k pro even tho I use the same white balance.

@MattBowie Год назад

Can you please make a video about your thoughts on the new 6k Studio Cam? Thanks

@JohnCastillo Год назад

I would absolutely love to, but I’ve been having a tough time finding one for rent 😅

@iHEARTamplify 4 месяца назад

Have you tried the new 6k?

@ericg.43 Год назад

I would be curious to know if the newly announced G2 version addresses any of these issues

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Same! I’m going to try to get my hands on one

@triceramovieboy Год назад

Greta video! Thanks for the insight!

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Thanks!! 😄

@SimplestUsername 9 месяцев назад

So, the built in camera color control doesn't give you the tools to correct this? Also, are you sure it's the camera and not the lens you're using?

@jaykelley9881 Год назад

I've had this problem with BM for a long time.. I love their converters, and DaVinci, but regarding their cameras and stuff, it seems like they have GREAT ideas and concepts, but always drop the ball on some major issue that makes the entire thing a non-starter. This sounds in line to what I've seen from them before. Thanks for warning me off

@JohnCastillo Год назад

I agree 100%

@aiiirlife9273 Год назад

So what would you choose between the URSA 4.6K G2 and Sony fx6? We want to do live broadcast to our mobile app

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Tough one…I think it depends on the type of content you do. If you’re doing a lot of setting-up, tearing down, and moving from point A to point B, the URSA is a great choice because with the ATEM software, you can remote control Iris, white balance, focus, gain, and colour. So it’s easy to get things set-up. If you are a smaller crew, you have more of a permanent set-up, you do low-light stuff, and/or you do more run-and-gun videography, the Sony is fantastic.

@xeximaxi Год назад

hey cool information. is the same problem with bmpck 6k ? or 6k pro ?

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Not from my experience of using the BMPCC6K.

@retlwiz Год назад

Ooops, looks like BM really messed the bed with this one! I was put off by the micro 4/3 sensor when I heard about this camera, but had NO idea there were so many other issues and limitations. The bad, non-matching to other BM cameras is a deal-breaker, straight off the bat. I have a straight Pocket 4K which I use with an UMP for events and it matches perfectly, plus you get ProRes recording, cropped sensor or not if I need it (I use a Speedbooster) and tally light and camera control options just by using fibre optic HDMI. That package with the speedbooster costs about the same as the Studio Pro, so it seems to me a a much better option. The bad colours thing sounds so bad it makes me think you maybe got a bad camera, though I suspect they are all like that.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Exactly, as for the bad camera…I tried three of them! They all have the same problems. I completely agree on the Pocket 4K as a better option. You get better recording options, battery, option to crop, and you can still do CCU with a Blackmagic ATEM Mini! The benefits of the Studio 4K SHOULD be that it fits into a “professional” environment with SDIs, Comms, etc. Unfortunately that’s not the case. Thanks for watching and for your opinions! Love this discussion.

@callevi1791 Год назад

Has the G2 studio cam 4K remedied these issues? Most importantly the color science of the SDI outputs?

@JohnCastillo Год назад

I’m still trying to get my hands on one, but it doesn’t seem very popular in rental houses here 😢

@ramazanarman2867 6 месяцев назад

thanks bro

@JohnCastillo 6 месяцев назад

Happy to help 😄😄

@collectivestudiosmontreal Год назад

Definitely valuable info! I could see why they would make a mess of a camera just to make it cheaper for the public. They’re trying to increase volume of sales for sale of profits. It’ll be a few years before they make this version any better for professional environments. 😪

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Absolutely. And hey! Fellow Montrealer 🤟

@collectivestudiosmontreal Год назад

@@JohnCastillo 😁😁

@kivikanal 4 месяца назад

wath is with the other BM Studio cam...

@DeanHarringtonimages Год назад

It's clear Black Magic needs to pay attention.... thanks for pointing out the flaws!

@user-iz7ph6nw4v Год назад

Is this the first generation or second generation Studio 4K?

@JohnCastillo Год назад

This is G1 Studio 4K, I’ll update the title

@fumnanyaobi86 3 месяца назад

what lens is he using for the URSA 4.6K G2

@JohnCastillo 3 месяца назад

That’s a Canon CN-E 18-80 ☺️

@MarketTraderTV Год назад

Hi we have 3 of the 4K pro studio cameras and 5 of the Ursa Broadcast G2 and I have to say we are not seeing the issues you demonstrate here. We get fantastic matching between the cameras and I think something else is going on here. I actually wonder if you have a faulty camera.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Hey! We have 3 as well, and they all have the same problems. Do note that we are using URSA Mini 4.6K G2, not URSA Broadcast G2, they look quite different from one another as well. Question for you though, do you use SDI for your interconnect?

@MarketTraderTV Год назад

@John Castillo The Mini 4.6 G2 is a gorgeous camera and using Gen4 Colour it does have a slightly different colour science- as do our Ursa Broadcast Gen 1s. However, it seems to be much worse on your studio cameras than I would expect. Fo uou do any colour control set up? Have you tried reducing tint? Which will take the green channel down. But still thinking something else is going on here. These Studio cameras have a beautiful picture and the results you are getting are not the standard results.

@RobbieMansur-bu2zk Год назад

Great video. I have a love hate relationship with this line of cameras. Mostly hate. You would think that they would have fixed the color with this new update.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

I agree. In theory it’s awesome, but then in practice it’s not all that.

@2oundlucky 9 месяцев назад

So this is now the Studio 4K G1 right? Anyone tried the G2 yet? I'm about to get myself a new live streaming setup and wanted to buy 1x Studio 4K Plus G2, 1x Studio 4K Pro G2 and 2 of the new Pocket ones. So if someone got some experience, please share it :D

@JohnCastillo 9 месяцев назад

Yes, exactly this would be the old G1s. I’m definitely trying to get my hands on the new cinema camera 6K L-Mount!

@balmiralmonte4536 Год назад

this is good you did your home work so we dont have to... nice video

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Thanks! 🤗

@the_overflow Год назад

The colour is so far off that it must be also the adjustment, I do not know this studio camera, but the micro studio has all possible in camera colour corrections. After the corrections, maybe the colour still would be off, but not this badly.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Completely! This footage is with the camera fully neutral - lift, gamma, and gain. White balance is matching my light source (5600K and tint is at 0). I had 3 of them with me for the test, and they all looked the same. Picture Profile - Video.

@FA-lg9cx Год назад

Couldn't Blackmagic just fix the color issues via software update?

@forthegloryproductions Год назад

Sheesh! I needed to watch this today. This video confirms all the gripes I have on the BM Studio Cameras. We currently use three in our church and it’s annoying having to constantly try and match them for livestream. We are looking to upgrade to three G2 and replace the Studio cameras.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

So glad to be able to help you realize it’s not just you! Haha. I would strongly recommend it if you have the budget. They are a huge step up.

@jonpav6224 Год назад

It's not workable (for me) and a great shame. Colours and interfacing could be improved significantly for multi cam. Especially as everything is designed to work well as a system and they do make some really decent product.

@TruthSeeker_7 2 месяца назад

I dont get how this is a valid comparison with the price point difference between these cameras. The URSA not a feasible alternative for a lower budget, even if these are valid criticisms of the camera; It's almost a $5k difference.

@carlkarama Год назад

I wish blackmagic could release a box cube cinema camera. 6K internal braw and ProRes Raw. SSD recording and wait for it. Full frame!!!! I’d pay good money for that

@JohnCastillo Год назад

I agree. Honestly I find it surprising that they haven’t released a box camera yet. I was so certain they were going to last year.

@tedz2000 Год назад

You are the first guy to tell the truth about this company… hope they don’t buy u out to say nice things about them… they can’t get it right. Just making products to make other products

@leonardosaglimbene1414 Год назад

After 1 month There's still no g2 owners around to tell us if the new cameras are better than the older?

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Not a great sign, huh? 😅

@c.pop.echo.28 Год назад

wait, but on their website said power and control trough ethernet. This is actually the only thing that makes me buy this camera, because I can span over 500m range with ethernet.

@RyanSHarper Год назад

bought the studio 6k pro - sending it back:/

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Oh no! I’ve been trying to find one to compare, but I’ve had a hard time finding ANYONE with this camera. Are you getting rid of it for similar reasons that I mentioned in this video?

@RyanSHarper Год назад

@@JohnCastillo mainly got for the POE capabilities and wanted to shift to a 4k feed - and it was just a pain in the ass... currently have pocket 4ks&6ks... wasnt enough of a leap forward to warrant keeping

@fabiomatos2376 Год назад

helloI am subscriber N823 :D can you pls make a video ab recording concerts multicam;;;;; how its your working flow :D tks in advance and tks for the good cotent on your videos :)

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Funny you should ask! That’s actually what my next video is 😄coming out on Monday!

@ShazammtheProducer 3 месяца назад

lol

@gewoonlive8383 Год назад

Are you using it with an Atem Switcher? Since it is made so you can adjust the color with the Atem and match (different) camera’s. I actually use the camera a lot and even with the Blackmagic broadcast G2 but I like the color more of the studio camera. It is definitely cheaper than SMPTe fiber and that is where they compare it with. We use it with the same lens you have on the ursa and the nice thing is that we can use the Blackmagic demands and even get a stop extra of light with a speedbooster. Here is an example what was shot with the studio camera and Ursa Broadcast G2. (Slider camera’s are the studio camera’s) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YkZKGYqtHv0.html

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Yeah we use it with an ATEM 1M/E. I’ve tried 3 different Studio 4K Pros, primarily in Tungsten environments and find them impossible to color match without creating a LUT externally. Do note that I was comparing an URSA 4.6K G2 and not a Broadcast G2. Those are surprisingly different as well (4.6K G2 has more dynamic range and more natural colours imo). I have a few questions for you if you’re down to answer: - What mode do you shoot on? Video, Extended Video? Or do you shoot Film and then Apply a LUT on the output? - Are you using SDI out?

@gewoonlive8383 Год назад

@@JohnCastillo I shoot on Extended video without a lut. I use both SDI out and the Blackmagic Studio Converter. I also don’t record in camera but with Hyperdecks in Proress.

@abecoulter8550 21 день назад

hmmm i may not buy it afterall and spend the extra bucks to get the ursa

@JohnCastillo 21 день назад

The URSA is certainly more versatile. If you’re the type of person who does various different types of productions, the URSA is a great alternative. Especially the new Broadcast 6K, which is super35.

@abecoulter8550 20 дней назад

@@JohnCastillo deffo not keen on carrying metabones adapters at nearly 2k per

@minutesback Год назад

Destroyed this camera in a single video 🎉.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

😅

@NowWeEats Год назад

You doing all this complaining but I don't hear any alternative options.

@JohnCastillo Год назад

Hey! URSA 4.6K G2. It’s in the title, and I do some side by side comparisons with it.

@NowWeEats Год назад

@@JohnCastillo I mean obviously that's like if I made a car video about a Nissan Rogue and I had a Tesla in the background.. obviously that's a better car. Let me rephrase my statement. You doing all this complaining but I didn't hear you mention anything comparable in a similar price point. You don't like it we get it but what's the solution? Sony, cannon? Or maybe just deal with it if you believe in the blackmagic ecosystem?

@JohnCastillo Год назад

@@NowWeEats I think it honestly depends on what you are looking for as far a a camera. The video itself is more of an in-depth analysis of the camera, and some problems it has. If you’re looking for a camera in a similar price-point, honestly I would suggest the BMPCC4K or 6K. They can do ATEM CCU using ATEM Mini and have much better recording options. Either that, or the Lumix GH6. Hope this helps!