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I think the time has come for car reviewers to really give these car companies a hard time over their pricing. Cars have gone up beyond inflation and it's beyond a joke!
Amazing how many new cars reviewed are supposedly great, as you say very little mentioned about price or the features owners want. IE old school switches.
@@iannoble4854because 90% of RU-vidrs are scared of upsetting manufacturers and losing their press cars. Luckily Joe knows they wouldn’t stop him getting them by him being HONEST so he is
I was asking for order at M240 at lokal cealer. Pris around 70.000 USD LOL. I get a old M850 for this price. I bought the old M240 and that was for like 50000 USD. So basically 20.000 USD more in 5 years. YEAH NO THANKS
I own the x1 M35i. In my opinion it’s quick and fun. If you never owned or drove a bmw before this is a good first step to get your foot in the door to other cars later down the line.
The same money as a BMW M340! I own an M340i and test drove the X1. Not even close, how they can charge this much for a 2 litre 4 cylinder v the 3 litre six in the 340i?
I have been running the new X1 23d for the last 13 months with the same gearbox. It is woeful. The stop/start is also shocking. I have tried for 13 months to get on with the car but that is the wrong gearbox for that car. I have had far too many near misses when approaching a junction the stop/start kicks in before you have actually stopped at the junction and if you see a gap to pull out of the junction and try to accelerate away the bloody thing has cut the engine and there is a slight delay in it firing back up by this time you are halfway across the junction in limbo waiting for a response from the accelerator and when it finally kicks in you have to floor it to get yourself out of a now potentially tricky situation. With this gearbox you have to change your driving style at junctions so if I remember I flick it in to sport mode on approach which stops the stop/start from kicking in. Suffice to say, the car is being sold on Monday for this very reason. I cannot live with it any longer which is a shame because the car is lovely.
My dad has an X1 18d and yes the start stop is really awful. I permanently disabled it in my 320d with Bimmercode but unfortunately Bimmercode isn't compatible to the X1.
The stop start cutting in before the car stops is not just BMW, we have a GLC with the exact same issue. It's scary as F when you come to a busy junction and try to merge quickly and the bloody car don't move when you expect it to😠 The EU and it's stupid emissions.l
I have a 23 X1 in the US and generally it is pretty impressive, but for the transmission delay. There are two actions to ameliorate this. First, cancel the engine autostop. Unfortunately, this has to be done for each trip, but it can be made into a shortcut, so simply swipe down then select. Alternatively, drive in Sport mode, when autostop is disabled anyway. Second, do not use Autohold (or deselect it before the traffic lights turn green). With autohold the car won't begin to move until you press the throttle; without it the car begins to move when you take your foot off the brake. Together, these changes go some way to improving the take-off. Then, there's the turbo lag! No solution for that.
Apparently there was a slight tweak for the gearbox via remote software upgrade. Atleast that's what my colleague told me about the Countryman JCW, which also shares the same ingredients. I'm test driving one of those these times since it contributes to my job and I must say, it indeed is a lot better than what I experienced at release. It's also fun and enjoyable, but not the type of car, that's targetting the enthusiasts. I'm with a Z4 M40i, so I know what kind of driving pleasure BMW is capable of.
I had one of the first off the production line back in April. Got rid of it after 6 weeks and swapped it for an M240i. The M35i was a disappointment. Too many software issues, rolling back when pulling away, slow response pulling out of junctions, the dual clutch is awful. The M240i puts a smile on my face every time I get in it.
@@JoeAchilles1 I had such high expectations but it's not up to BMW's usual standard in terms of driver experience. It just feels too average and doesn't deserve an M badge on the car.
And this is why you should never buy a "BMW" which is actually a Mini in disguise. Stick to the ones with the engine mounted longitudinally, otherwise you aren't getting the real thing.
@@Manakuski very true. It’s a mini JCW platform and drive chain. I’ve had 6 different 3 series cars ranging from a 330i coupe to 320d’s and a 325d. They’ve all been great cars. The X1 didn’t feel like a drivers car at all. The M240i Is just in a different league.
Thanks Joe been waiting for this ever since your video at the launch - we literally couldn’t wait and ordered our new X1 M35i and it’s been with us for about 4 months and we absolutely love it - for us as a family it has fitted in brilliantly 👏🏻😉
Great review as always! Don't know what they are smoking in München (DSG, getting rid of the „i"), but I guess they should start drinking Augustiner beer again!
Nice at certain places Joe The way the boot cuts into the lights is ruining my OCD 😄 And the badge fonts make it look like someone got a basic bmw and bought an M badge n Halfords and stuck it on
This car is so cute and Joe looks like a towering giant next to it. 😊 I like the review very much and am so glad this iteration falls in line with the odd numbered models. 👌🏾
Once again, the honesty on your reviews is truly refreshing! I really appreciate that. PS: I still can't get used to the G8X front (I will probably never accept it), but wow, the rear stance of that Touring at 5:10...incredibly planted!
£60k for this is absolutely criminal. So much other car you can get for your money especially if you go over to VW. Can get a nice 22pkate x3M with around 15-20k miles for around £55k. Essentially getting a suv m3 with more space. This is crazy for the price.
@@dimitriskep4488 difference is one is a proper M car the other isn’t. These fake M cars tank hard in price. Your get more for your money in the option I said over this as new.
Okay now what about lessons learned: extent de nose/bonnet, put the engine in the proper direction and drive the rear wheels, the F20 is/was a gem. That said you can then add the ZF 8 speed. I got the ix1-30 as a company car also overpriced ad 65k and today I bought myself a proper BMW: F36-440i with the B58 6 cyl.
HI Joe, how you doing, saw you on the A34 passing Oxford, flashed at you so many times. Love the M3 Touring, and the colour is awesome. Well done. Keep yours videos going, love them
I found the complete opposite with the x2m35i, fast and snappy on down shifts but a huge delay on upshift. Better off leaving the box in d or s mode sporty driving. Hopefully it can be improved with further over the air updates?
I have a 4 month old X2 M135i on 21" alloys... gearshifts are rapid on both up and down shifts.... The gearbox is as quick as my previous G20 2021 M340i with the 8 speed ZF gearbox but not as silky smooth, most noticeable around town at slower speeds but not been an issue in the 2 months I've owned the car
Very competent and honest review. Thank you, Joe, one of the few to not hesitate to expose a compromised product like this, considering the price tag. I have planned a test drive next month, I’ll know where to look
I'm seven minutes in and it's already your best review, mole rats and the GT85 ad-brilliant. Joking aside, that's how you do a true added value promo, this is what it does, here's me showing you it works, try it. Well done.
Now try an X1 30e it’s a real surprise with more power than this and more power to the rear than the front. It’s heavy but it exits corners beautifully. It also has a great three cylinder growl.
I tried an X1 M35i earlier this year, and I was indeed disappointed by the gearbox, and also by the lack of torque compared to my 2021 M135i. I'm not sure what my next family car will be. Currently, I'm leaning more towards an Audi RS3, for example. I'm waiting to see the new M135 F70 to see how it turns out, but I have doubts that they'll be able to fix that gearbox. I'm also 'glad' that you noticed the same thing because I thought maybe it was just me being a bit picky, but no, that gearbox really isn't great.
Given the choice between an RS3 and the new m135i, the Audi would have without doubt. Sold my 2022 m135i as it just didn't excite me, and my circumstances changed, so I went for a fully loaded Z4 m40i
Thanks man! And yes I spotted that an hour before it was going live, didn't have access to my laptop and it needed to go live as agreed with GT85, my OCD has been going mad since 😂 Glad you're the only person to comment about it so far 🫣
Honestly should get an X1 XDrive30e. That car is criminally underrated and not spoken about enough. An absolute joy to drive as a do everything car. And from driving an X2 M35i and X1 30e back to back the 30e feels faster and more agile even though it's heavier. A better car in every sense!
Can you do a video on every tech/spec the X3 & X5 have that this X1 doesn’t have because this car is packed with quite a lot minus the engine situation.
I have the X2 M35i and can honestly say I do not miss the idrive controller whatsoever... I've had them in 5 of my BMWs but the idrive 9 is so intuitive and easy to use its not missed. Just my opinion though, everyone is different !
If you wear polarised sunglasses apparently you can’t see head up displays like on this car where it projects the image onto the screen. But you can see the ones where they reflect the image onto the screen.
@@Staniii2360 Bit of a design flaw with the HUD's. Many would rather wear polarised sunglasses so they can see better when driving then see a HUD, so long as they have dials etc to see instead.
That's why I stopped getting polarized sunglasses. Can't read my phone screen either (when I'm not driving). Polarized glasses aren't enough better to make seeing everything impossible. 😂
@@marksapollo I have both polarized and non-polarized prescription sunglasses, and live 20 miles due east of the nearby city where everything is. Maybe my legit crappy eyes can't see this glare people talk about, but I don't see a difference between the two - other than losing my HUD and phone screen with polarized. 😂 Other people swear by polarized, and I'm not trying to talk them out of it. After several years and a lot of driving (seven hours to the doctor once a month, an hour round trip just to get to town for groceries, etc) though, I seriously haven't seen the benefit. 🤷♂️ I'm nearly blind without glasses, though, so it's entirely possible that there's something else up with my eyes.
We have one of these in Individual Purple Metallic we traded our X5 and love the car. We also own M2C and M3 but as the family car the M35I does a great job and gets more attention than our M cars😂
Great video as always...I've just purchased a M bmw..mines old skool..a 1988 M635CSI in diamond black metallic..with only 86500 miles on the clock..would be grateful if you could do a review on some old skool bmw m sports..👍👌
Hi Joe! I've had this car for 3 months now, almost 4kkm driven, your intitial review a year ago got me really excited about it and I've got one, I've switched from an Audi Q5 because I wanted something more driver focused and I have to say that I love the car. It's my daily driver so it had to be comfortable and smooth most of the time for city traffic etc. so I really don't mind what they've done with the gearbox, in normal mode it goes from a stop really gently, passengers really appreciate it :D As for the torque steer I've almost instantly fitted it with Michelin PS4S and it pretty much solved the problem, original tires are too weak for the car. I think that for most people it will be a very enjoyable car, certainly is for me, it's miles better for a driver than any "normal" SUV like my Q5 was, where steering feel was totally non existant. Here you can really push it in corners in any speed you want and it goes like it was glued to the road. Performance is also very nice, for sure is quicker than the numbers suggest. A car like this needs to basically master two personalities, for daily use and for thrashing it on a B road and I think this one does it pretty well ;)
You shouldn’t have to buy a brand new set of tyres on a new car simply to get it to handle properly. That’s an £800 or £900 extra. BMW should fit decent tyres on all their cars.
@@adrianbennett3761bmw has a summer tire package that unlocks the 135 mph limiter. If you get the summer tires they are a lot better than the all seasons. I have the continental dws 06plus all seasons which are very sticky.
Great video! As a current X3 M40i LCI owner I was interested to see if this could be on the list as replacement when mine hits 3 years old. I’d want fully loaded but £60k doesn’t feel great value for a FWD based car, 4 pot with no iDrive wheel! The new X3 M50 mostly fully loaded to my spec is £75k which isn’t great either. After watching Joes video I think however it will be a premium worth paying to get the B58, ZF gearbox, iDrive wheel and better dynamics.
I have X1 M35i since January 2024, i bought it for few reasons: 1) price, it's cheap. 2) it's really well loaded and has lot of options, You have panoramic roof, M Sport Breaks (4 or 6 pistons), seat massage/MSport Seats [You can't have massage seats in x3, x4, M5!, M3, M4 etc but You may have them in X1!, let of tech options like adaptive LED, not bad audio, etc. 3) looks perfect, i have the same paint, satin paint showes curveture of the car and makes it more aggressive. 4) ///M quad exhauts pipes, m mirrors etc. I'm pretty happy with X1. And i'm not saying this as a BMW fanboy, i do have few other exotic cars, but X1 was "emotional option" ;)
Loss of torque is due to the swap of gearbox from the 8 speed Aisin auto to the 7 speed DCT. The DCT is not capable of handling 450nm. I would say the loss of horses is a shame but not as big an issue as the loss of 50nm which will be more noticeable
Everyone seems to dislike the 7 speed DCT. That's disappointing because this would be the perfect package for someone wanting something slightly bigger than say a Golf R.
Dear Joe The problem with new M135 (as well as the X1 and X2 fitted with the same power train) vs my recent M135i are exactly the engine and the gearbox de tuned and the torque is reduced because of the double clutch gearbox which is not able to support more than 400 Nm (the Aisin converter gearbox was recently improved a lot and is able to manage more Nm). My last generation M135i XDrive is much quicker and engaging to drive (as you described in your test)
BMW just haven't been able to replicate the 'M' magic of their rear-drive base platfrom cars in their front-drive platform cars, which is a bit odd since the bread and butter versions of the 1 series FWD hatch are well regarded; just not the sporty versions!
There have been feedback from BMW blog driver on the MIni Countryman JCW ( same car underneath). They also noticed the delay from rest which they hoped BMW would get rid off. However they did not find any issue with the upshift/ downshifts in driving that I recall (also tested by another Utuber). Just wondering if your gearbox has some issue which would account for the torque steer with seemingly no power to the rear axle or incorrect proportions. To me the X1 is really nice but expensive and I like the Mini's quirky looks and its £10,000 cheaper and a maximum 48K with the level 3 pack thats 13k cheaper than the XI in the test. How 4.8 to sixty is really quick and you are, not to rude, heavier that the 75 kg they allow for a driver, due to fact you are very tall.
I think I know about BMW is that even if the engine capacity looks like a bit small compared to the likes of X3, or X5M it can still challenge many cars in terms of performance
My test drive yesterday of this Bavarian also revealed a sporty sound and handling. But €69,340 (here in Germany), with all sport options ticked but zero comfort options selected, that’s absurd. Under the body, it's identical to a Countryman JCW which costs a whopping €10,390 less when similarly configured.
Is the 7speed dct better or worse than the 8 speed aisin in your opinion, as i am on the verge of purchasing a m235i gc. Have you driven that car? If so, what is your view on it?
I was fortunate enough to have had this model for about a week from BMW Aus, and I have to say it was rather disappointing, the torque at 400nm from 450nm is noticeably felt in the mid range when over taking, the torque steer was felt much worse than the outgoing F40 M135i xdrive, and that trans is just terrible jerky at low speeds and over egar in sports. Feel like BMW have missed the mark on this what they should have done was introduced a small 48v system and increase the power and torque to keep the M140 fan boys happy, and something that actually has decent performance.
I remember thinking exactly the same when I took delivery of an M235i Gran Coupe. Similar recipe. looks great but just doesn’t drive like a BMW. They’re MINI’s dressed up in posh frocks. I suppose this platform sharing is the only way to make these smaller models in the range profitable though. I wonder if the fully electric version is a better drive than the transverse engine layout. 🤔
Tony Lewis and Tim King are currently throwing their laptop or phone out the window watching this 😂😂😂. Interesting to hear how it is. Definitely wouldn’t wanna spend that money on one! A nice spec and mileage X3 M can be had for 45k now. Much better prospect than this is
This is my daily. But maybe I’m just used to the transmission. Yes the start stop is bad but I hate stop start in all cars. the mild hybrids do it better. My transmission isn’t as bad as yours I enjoy mine. I believe you got a bad car with issues. But honestly since owned the car it’s pretty fun. I believe it you pit it against its direct competitors like Tiguan R it is in some ways more bang for the buck. I could be wrong.
Hmmm the torque steer.... A major problem for some BMW models, especially the 128ti. But we in the Owners Club have found that lowering BMW's insanely high pressures and fitting Michelin PS5 solves it! Maybe it's the same story here?
Hello what's your thoughts on the m135i f40 aisin gearbox ? I have a 2020 and find the gearbox shift very aggressive and jerky around town... you know if its the delay in shifting gears the problem and need a remap to improve shift speeds?
Nice car, but for similar money, you'd be better off with an M340i or M340d touring, which are just as practical, look better, probably drive better, and have the 3.0lt B58.
You should be able to get nav pointers in your M3's HUD. I can get them in my G26 M440i (iDrive 7), and also had them in my F44 M235i. Pretty sure its within the display settings, unless they've changed that for iDrive 8/9.
Test drove it and love it. You get some much for the car over the regular X1. I think you're overly critical about this M35i because you're making a lot of comparisons to real M series cars.
Pretty silly comment. BMW made the X1 with a RWD layout and available with an I6. It did not sell as much as the second generation (maybe due to the polarizing looks of the OG had) so I am not sure the people buying these care!
@@AgonxOCNot the point. The reason why BMW is such a prestigious company now, and they’re considered “good to drive” is because they have stood by their morals and USP for the last 50 years. Why would anyone choose this over a Tiguan…
@JoeAchilles1 Good review, Joe I have a 2024 X2 M35i with almost all the packs on ... I got a very good deal on mine, ex Director’s car. £60k is too much I agree but just second hand is far better. Few comments on the car, naturally similar to the X1 you had - I had 3 years in a 2021 fully loaded M340i Xdrive which was a great car. The ZF 8 speed gearbox in this is much smoother around town than the 7 speed DCT in the X2, but in Sport (Sport) the changes are like you observed v snappy on the upshifts, and in my car are equally as quick on the downshifts. I don't experience any of the delay you experienced for some reason - yes there is some torque steer under full acceleration (and I have 21" alloys on mine!) but it's not obtrusive. What exaggerates the issue is the lane departure pull which has to be reset every time the engine is switched on (could be permanently switched off in the M340i) which is a pain but not unique compared to other new cars or just this model. Annoying yes but without it on the car is significantly better. I have fed this back to BMW - I drive 600 miles round trip every other weekend, mixture of roads but mainly motorway, and I'm averaging 45mpg (although I used to regularly get 43mpg in the M340i) - iDrive 9 is fantastic as you note, and completely negates the need for the idrive controller. I do not miss it whatsoever after having 5 BMWs with it Overall it is a fair review. I've had the car 2 months now and really enjoying, I try not to compare to the M340i with the glorious B58 but it is a really solid daily, with character and more than quick enough with the B48 engine which like you say feels much punchier than 300bhp and 400nm of torque! Cheers PW
I own the car as well and my downshifts are pretty quick. Upshifts are slower. I think he got a reviewer unit that is probably preproduction or it just has issues. The quick drives won’t give the full experience. I test drove before I bought it and when I did I was blew away with how it reminds me of a bmw m sport dune buggy
I also believe the only point for the dual clutch is for off the line acceleration because it feels like the gears are just meant to get the car moving as fast as possible. And it may be a cheaper option for bmw. I like my x1 m35i. After a few years I’m going to trade it for a bmw x3 m50 that hasn’t came out yet.
@@Mglobal.enterpriseyeah agree 👍🏻 I almost got a LCI 2023 X3M, whilst it is a great car I think the idrive 7 feels rather outdated now against 8, 8.5 and 9 in our cars ... very functional still mind. I also halved my insurance in the process, not to be sniffed at! The new X3 M50 looks like a cracking car too ... one to look fwd to! One more comment is acoustic glass is a must, my car is so quiet inside! Enjoy your motor 👍🏻
@@Mglobal.enterprisesounds good, I see isofix are standard but I don't use them! My kids are older now, my dog takes up the back seat with my teenage daughter normally hogging the passenger bucket seat! Boot size is great too, more practical than the 3 series. Glad you're enjoying it ... 👍🏻
Cars in 2024 - less car for more £££. I thought new technologies are meant to make things better for the same or less money. If we only improve by constantly raising the price of things then it means progress stagnates. Look at smartphones - every generation now brings only marginal improvements but the price goes up ~10%.
remember 30 years ago when BMW made 3 cars? small , medium, large. That method was probably way better for the environment than what car companies are attempting today. ALL modern vehicles are far too heavy. 🇨🇦
The Hybrid 25e/30e iX1 are much better in the X1, wouldn't get a pure ICE version at all with that gearbox. For most people the hybrids would be cheaper to run and are so responsive it's great to drive everything this one isn't.
