Montaggio della scena "Le mot Phœbus"/ "La parola Febo"/"La palabra Febo" in cinque versioni del musical "Notre Dame de Paris": Francese Italiano Coreano Spagnolo Russo
Well, I'd say French version is the best. Bruno and Hélène both have amazing voices and I like all those subtle dynamics between them (like the way he quickly and shortly looked at her when she sang "He's the one for whom my heart beats" or her face when she said it). Also French language seems to flow with the music and is very pleasant to listen to here. Overall I think original French NDdP cast is unbeatable. All actors were perfect for their roles.
sono dell'idea che in genere ognuno di noi si affeziona alla versione della propria lingua madre, per il semplice fatto che la propria lingua è dentro di noi e può penetrare nelle nostre emozioni. è ovvio per me che sono italiana setti e la ponce mi suscitano più emozioni e mi piacciono di più...ma sono tutti molto bravi. e la cosa più straordinaria è che notre dame è stato interpretato in un sacco di lingue. per cui stiamo più uniti tra di noi, perché tutti possiamo capirlo!!!
Hai perfettamente ragione.Tra l'altro Gringoire non è certamente innamorato di Esmeralda,tutt'al più può esserne affascinato,come tutti. Hai ragione anche riguardo alla valutazione degli attori. I francesi fanno una esibizione canora migliore,ma ci mancherebbe che non fosse così,dato che non muovono un pelo. La Esmeralda di Lola invece sul palco si muove, balla, corre, gesticola, proprio come la zingara del libro. Chiaramente c'è differenza fra cantare immobili e cantare mentre si recita
@@user-ft1zo7fh8l I think because Esmeralda's charachter it's childish girl and very ingenuous who immediately falls in love with Phoebus and sees him as his prince, in French version does not respect the character described in the novel at all, since she looks like a very provocative adult woman and not a girl who is discovering the world of lust
Мне кажется что наши вполне себе хорошо сыграли. Конечно, никто не спорит, французская версия лучшая, и русская версия хуже всех из видео, но вполне переносимо, и для России очень даже хорошо 😅
What I find interesting in this is the cultural differences between the different versions... They are all based on the same musical, and being french Canadian obviously I am attached to the original version. But I find that the french Canadian (original) and Spanish versions have the same responses, and maybe (I would not have guessed that one) the Russian version. In the original version, he is married to her, she mocks him for saying he is ''The prince of Paris's streets'', he accepts it, she pulls away and he doesn't mind, he dismissed her question as if it was nothing but doesn't really takes offense when he learns that her heart beats for someone else, he just swallows after 3 seconds and accepts it... (I am not even sure the France french would have played the scene the same way) (now please note that in the following is culturally viewed from a french Canadian point of view and I mean no offense, we all see the world different ways, and that is what makes this interesting. Also, I do not know any of those languages so I might be missing stuff with the voice intonations and the words used. I am only basing myself on vocal and facial expressions and acting) Italian is similar but seems more playful(theatical) from the beginning, she doesen't mind proximity (doesn't pull away) and even gets closer, and he doesn't even blink that she says she loves another... but he tries to hold her back when she leaves??? In the Korean version, you can sense shyness but still (childish)fondness (perhaps per duty?) between Esmeralda and Gringoire, but still again he tries to hold her back when she goes to leave, like he just realized what he just said(the situation... like... Eh, you're my wife, but you are going to sing about another guy? Wut?) In Spanish, she is slightly arrogant (like in french), like... ok, who's life did I just save? Gringoire has the same theatricals (must be a latin thing :p ), but in addition he even laughs at himself when she calls him on the ''prince of the streets of Paris'' thing. For some reason I feel this version respects more the original one, but with more ''fun'' added in, like ... well i dont know how to say it but it is definitively a ''spanish'' thing. I was really surprised by the Russian version, it really feels like the original one altough a bit colder, and he tries to hold her back in the end anything I missed out? i know i am biased since I consider ''normal'' what I see in the first version... there might be stuff I do not see... p.s.: please excuse any english mistakes, it is my second language...
MedievalVixen she saved his life. He admits he's not a ladies man, but wants her as a muse for his poetry. Other theories suggest he is in love with Frollo.
This is five years later but I love what you wrote about this - it’s the same thing I thought actually; it’s so interesting to see different cultures portrayed in a singing/acting interpretation And being italian that has now seen the different versions and read your comment, I would say that the italian version is indeed actually more playful and ‘libertine’ in a way. Gringoire is well aware that Esmeralda has married him for the only purpose of saving his life, and also of the fact that she is so young and playful (the Italian Esmeralda is more prone to physical contact and ‘mocking’ him and being all smiley and stuff)... so he just wants to find an emotional connection with her in an artistic way (literally: ‘I don’t use to spend my time chasing ladies, but if you’d like, you could be my inspirational muse; what do you think about it?’) Moreover, in that last sentence (‘what do you think?’) he backs off smiling, creating more space between them, and that shows his not-so-deep interest in her, because he’s got his own freedom due to being a poet... What I mean by this is that I find this particular interpretation of Gringoire to mainly portray his artistic aspect, his devotion to poetry- the fact that he seems, more than the other versions in my opinion, so IN LOVE with poetry in the first place, that he is not even THAT interested in Esmeralda (if not on a spiritual level). Look at how lost he looks, explaining what Phoebus means gazing towards the sky as if he’s lost in his own words, smiling, talking about the etymology... i mean it’s just my interpretation but I hope someone can see what I’m trying to say :)
Мне кажется, русский Грингуар пытается копировать Брюно Пеллетье. Все движения он повторяет почти с точностью. Если бы он играл от себя, его бы сильнее любила русская аудитория, которой он не очень нравится
Penso che le due versioni più commentate, francese e italiana, siano esattamente alla pari qualitativamente parlando, credo semplicemente che gli attori abbiano dato sfumature diverse ai loro personaggi, com'è anche giusto che sia: nella versione francese sembra esserci più distacco tra Esmeralda e Gringoire, in quella italiana sono più passionali, ma non c'è una versione migliore dell'altra...
actually they forget the point that there are just people how now each other only has commoner people live in the same atea . it was the first who talk each other its logical to be more distant person.. the other version is not more acting its more .'' hey you arre my wife we live be together '' its strange i have saw twice the original show when i was 8 years old ., the second time it was damien sargue who replace grigoir it was better play .
French will always be best for Bruno alone. He's easily the best actor of all adaptations, his face is so expressive! Italian is fine but they seem to just kind of gesture around instead of emoting facially, which is kinda weak. Their voices are nice, I think the Esmeraldas are about on par, but ain't no one beating Bruno
Secondo me la nostra è molto bella. Esmeralda, in quella Francese, è troppo anziana. Però, forse, a livello di interpretazione, immaginerei di più "adatta" quella dell' Esmeralda spagnola: sognante, sorridente, etc.
La versione italiana è migliore in tutto! Recitazione, sceneggiatura e personaggi. Soprattutto la nostra Esmeralda italiana è fedele a quella del libro ovvero una ragazza giovane ingenua e impulsiva che scopre la sua intimità. Quella francese è vecchia e soprattutto troppo smaliziata. La scelta francese della "femme fatal" non è azzeccatissima perché è vero che porta alla "distruzione" Frollo e soprattutto Quasimodo ma muore anche lei. Quindi perde di significato
@@andrealatino9116 Italians love the Italian version. Not surprising.)) Your language, your temperament, your mentality. I am Russian. I don't like the Italian version. Too much temperament and emotions for show. This is bad acting for me. But I don't like the Russian version either. The French version is perfect.
Matteo Setti fascino stratosferico,la Ponce, carinissima,Nella versione francese Esmeralda sembrava "troppo vecchia", Esmeralda era una ragazzina!! (e anche il trucco era troppo perfetto)
Lola Ponce l'Esmeralda italienne est argentine et chante avec un accent espagnol marqué. Elle avait participé au casting espagnol pour interpréter Esmeralda, puis a été choisie pour la version italienne. Il est étrange que dans les commentaires français - que tout sait !!!- n'a pas été remarqué.
È una questione di gusti. Trovo fastidiosa la versione italiana. Non mi piacciono i cantanti, le loro voci e la loro recitazione. L'italiana Esmeralda mi sembra brutta.
Of course italian and french are the best versions but i still prefer the italian actors probably because ive become attached to them.. Lola is the best Esmeralda hands down tho
only in the French video we can see real feels which actors show.i can listen it again and again but only on Franch. it is so beautiful. and Bruno is the best Gringoire all over the world) and most beautiful man having magic voice)
The French Esmeralda seems to have more character than the others, but comes off as seeming older than she is. The Italian one is very passionate, and comes across as being blinded by her love. The Korean and Spanish ones seem more 'innocent' shall we say. The audio of the Russian video was too poor for me to pass comment.
Italiano e Francese a pari merito come canto, anche se amo di più l'intonazione del Gringoire italiano, e come costumi e trucco, tra tutti la migliore è la versione italiana, con il viso ben scoperto dai capelli e molto espressivo. Idem le gestualità.
I should never be in a position to judge these performances because my huge crush on Bruno Pelletier makes it impossible to be fair. ...I liked the Korean version the best of those other than French :D
нда...все версии хуже чем французская...но блин русская самая хреновая. Я понимаю что сложно стихи перевести что бы с музыкой совпали. Но блин лучше все же на французском слушать.
Ma préférée reste et restera toujours la version d'origine. On sent l'intéraction entre Gringoire (Bruno Pelletier) et Esméralda (Hélène Segara), qu'ils se passent quelque chose entre les deux. Contrairement aux interprètes étrangers, ils se regardent et communiquent. La gestuelle et les expressions du visages sont plus naturels aussi.
I love the Italian version but there is just something I can't stant. Originally it's "By Jove, who on earth dares to have such a name?" But the meaning in Italian is "Oh, what an hot [In terms of temperature, joking about the sun] name. Who has it? Who could he be?". I prefer the surprise of the french version, the verb DARE, as if having Phoebus as name means to challenge the god Apollo himself.
Splittersplatter Yeah. The English version (I watch all the time dubbed over the Italian cast) goes, "Who on Earth could dare to wear a name so fine; Who has such pride?" Which is way closer to the French one.
Пересмотрела все версии по нескольку раз, Франция безподобна💟, Испания и Италия молодцы👍👍👍Корея тоже старалась🤗к моему великому сожалению Россия слажала😒Светикова вела себя не так, перевод с французского неправильный, наверное наскорую делали всё, не от души.
Russian Esmeraldas were S. Svetikova (b.1983) and T. Dolnikova (b.1982). The premiere of Russian version of Notre Dame was in 2002. And In 2003 or 2004 the project was closed. So, you can see. they were 19-20 and 20-21 years old.
La versione Francese nettamente superiore, per vocalità e per tecnica, poi via via a discendere verso quella russa, che definire stonata è dire poco. La versione coreana sembra più un cartone animato che un musical! Comunque molto graziosa!
A lot of comments talk about how good the Italian version is but to me the Italian actors don't have the grace of interpretation of the French actors. To me they are perfect, especially Gringoire. I liked the Korean version as well.
Походу интерес Эсмеральды в этой песне именно Испанская версия. Не знаю, вот эта энергичность просто девушки... Интересно. Да и звучит как французская. Русская тоже неплохая, но видимо качество видео просто хреновее некуда. А с корейской смеяться хочется почему-то. Италия... Эх, если бы не грим этот криповый...
Очень плохой звук в российской версии, существует и более качественная запись, там и голоса приятнее и звук лучше. Но оригинальный французский вариант самый лучший, тут бесспорно.
Assolutamente la versione italiana! La versione francese è bella ma recitativamente parlando non mi piacciono per niente. La versione italiana è sicuramente la più completa vocalmente e recitativamente. Stupenda!
@Missbloodymary67 Hai letto il mo commento con troppa foga, e per la premura di ribattere ti è sfuggito il senso del messaggio: "Gli UTENTI francesi (non gli attori del musical) vengono qui a sventolare la loro versione come la migliore a priori. Secondo me invece ogni versiona ha un suo punto forte, ed è interessante scoprirli con questo montaggio. Ed era appunto questa l'intenzione con cui ho creato il video, non certo per fare una gara tra patriottisti."
Concordo sulla versione spagnola...non è niente male... :) Ma la mia preferita rimane quella italiana...anche più della francese! Soprattutto per l'espressività! ^_^
