NPMD but i point out small details || Nerdy Prudes Must Die Commentary 

In the U.S. high schoolers graduate in the late spring. So if they’re “Class of 2021” then this takes place in the fall of 2020 🩷 Also thanks for the video you noticed so much I never did 🥰

I assume that they're the class of 2021 because that was supposed to be their 2020 musical. And if they were seniors starting in 2020, they would have been the class of 2021. They just didn't want to change the rhyme

Same, you can clearly hear people going “Nooo!” it’s great

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The universal experience of Suddenly Remembering Richie Dies

exact same vibe as in AVPSY when Dumbledore goes “sometimes you accidentally kill your family” and the audience goes hahaOHHHH

That makes tinky talking about the full set make more sense

@@icantnotthink3282 not "almost" that is literally what that line is about

Peter and Ted are brothers?

@@anikxa6401 Yes ! If you watch Abstinence Camp in Nightmare Time 2 it's said at the beginning

So Peter isn’t related to sleezeball Ted but instead homeless Ted? Or are all three brothers? Just wanna make sure I’m following correctly

Also, when he punches one of the jocks the other jock is super upset

They have names guys :( Jason is Corey’s Jock and Kyle is Curt’s Jock

​@@MercuryIsDumbwho 😔😔

Omg 😭😭 that's such a good catch

not to be that guy you spelled "skele'on" wrong

Honestly I could see it

That's my favorite NPMD fact like the idea of Solomon going out of his way to convert her allowance to crypto just to fuck with her is so funny

​@@brooklyn9923That's a whole new level of petty

I was thinking it must be something like that. I love how Starkid represents teenagers with such kindness. There is some gentle poking fun at teens being cringy and getting too invested in dumb things because that’s what happens when you’re a teen, but it’s not shown in a malicious way, it’s very genuine and it also depicts the more serious things they have to deal with as well. This Twitter fight about a problematic puppy is genuinely important to a teenage Stephanie, bc that’s how social media works, not to mention being a teen and trying to make change is what you’re realizing is an unfair world, and then in the next line is the crypto thing which shows her shitty father, followed by “there’s nowhere to turn for the class of 2021” showing like yeah, it is fucking hopeless and desperate to be 18 sometimes. Reminds me of in a nightmare time q and a Mariah said about Alice “it’s so hard to be 18” and I see that sympathy in how they portray them as well as acknowledging that the very structures and systems these kids are suffering in/being shit on by adults for participating in and obsessing over are set up by adults. We shit on teenagers for their lives revolving around their phones and their “photos and contacts” but it’s like first of all social media etc is created and pushed by adults, and second of all of course the mayor’s kid whose dad hates her and probably spends a lot of time alone in a big empty house is obsessed with her phone because it’s a tie to what social life she has.

@@genericname2747 Memento mori my friend

Yeah very frollo-like

In a similar vein, the ‘first’ sign that Max’s teammates don’t really care for bullying is when he asks if he should “let him off with a warning” (Heh, Yeah!) Either they don’t care enough to do it that they don’t even pay attention to the question, or they genuinely were just like “sure, we don’t get anything out of this anyway.”

@@beansforsalewahoomodern teenage girl frollo, i love that for her

@@fallingasleepaswespeaksame ngl she’s the worst type of person but the best type of villain

Growing up Mormon does irreparable damage to people's psyche

Even more of a Conspiracy to the point where I'm not adding it to the original comment, I feel like the line "and if I finally break the rules, I will know of my world, I'm the ruler" means so much. We only ever hear it twice ("cool as I think I am," and "dirty dudes must die"), even though the first part ("If I can finally be cool I will know that I'm not a loser") is played numerous times, and has a LOT of importance placed on it. Dirty Dudes is obvious by explaining how Grace is falling to what she would consider satanism in the name of God, but I personally see the first usage as kind of meta. Peter is singing the song about him and Stephanie, right? Well, in the other two Hatchetfield musicals, there are both couples that slowly fall in love over the course of the runtime. And you know what? They all die at the end. Hatchetfield dies at the end. It's because the Lords didn't know the main characters personally, or else weren't asked, and they were on the bad guy's side. The Lords in Black are very much the bad guys. They feed from people's wants and their desperation to reach fulfillment (filling the holes), and actively cause destruction to cause more want and desperation. So "breaking the rules" by making them join the good guys side, just for once, causes the nerds to be known and protected so long as they pay the price. And they do. And that's why Nerdy Prudes has a good-ish ending. The second final song "The Best of You," as weird as it is, is entirely focused on Pete and Steph, who broke the rules by not dying, and became the "Rulers," homecoming king and queen, as a result (I know it wasn't explicitly stated they were king and queen but it wasn't a plot point at all so let me pretend lol). So basically if Grace Chastity weren't there, they would have failed and Hatchetfield would have died again. (more spoilers, Also them constantly and explicitly stating they didn't want each other! Even if they were lying, they never ever openly admitted their wants. It seems like a lot of the Lord's power comes from openly realizing one's wants (I want a partner I want my son to forgive me I want to redo the past I wanna be alone I wanna stop hurting I wanna forget it all I want California). Pete and Steph's songs were all about Not Saying It Ever. Even in the gun scene with Pete asking Steph to homecoming, the final line is still “I never wanted you anyway." “You can lie to yourself but not to me” but if you admit it I will have you! It's like a fae situation. Paul was gotten once he admitted his attraction, the mall was always doomed but wanting tomorrow didn't help. Pete and Steph wanted each other of course but constantly denying their attraction probably helped a lot! And that's why their final song is about finally being allowed to admit it!)

Hatchet Town also had the lyrics "suddenly the show is real upsetting."

Maybe traces of the Waylons' magic still affects Hatchetfield in this universe even if it was so long ago! Since the lords in black would have had a bit more influence, enough of that eldritch energy would have seeped through the characters, and it makes them somewhat aware of being in a musical

Another line that's related to the idea that the characters know they're in a musical: Pete goes "I bet this song will suck." in "Cool As I Think I Am"!

"October Surprise" is an American political expression where a politician doing well suddenly has something bad/a scandal come up late in the game to tank their numbers. Election is in November; the politician is in the homestretch, feeling good about winning; then in October there's a surprise that makes things not so locked for them. If his daughter is caught in a cheating scandal/expelled, the people of Hatchetfield may not vote for him.

so am i (tech theatre major) and i agree so hard 😭😭

I also thoroughly enjoyed when Max "closes" the doors. Just perfect timing.

The design aspects of this show is incredible and is totally giving me inspiration for things I might be able to do with my shows (I do set/sound/lights/TD at my high school).

dawg since when have you been a starkid fan@@JuneNafziger

i didn't even catch that was what happened. i thought it was just some clever video editing, but it's another seamless stage transition like the ones during the storm in tgwldm!

sobbing

Faking starkid man lmao from the very first line I knew that whole intro was going to kill me on rewatch knowing how they were going to make me feel about these characters and the meanings and nuances goddamn implications godDAMNit everytime Starkid musicals have some of the highest rewatchability for me it's insane

also nick said in the commentary that lauren didn’t wear it for that part because she didn’t want the audience to laugh when they saw her

@@ice_wolfie aaaaah that makes a lot of sense tbf!

definitely but as someone who lives in a county with only 3 highschools the attitudes toward the other two are 100% accurate. its a very "this place fucking sucks but at least we're not THOSE guys" kind of thing

Fuckin Timberwolves!

@@the-starlit-blade “could be worse. you could be dying in Clivesdale.”

SKELE'OOOON!!!!

SKELE'ON!!!

yeah... that was really special

@@jessieleo7224 _bows in awe_

"Ive never seen my body,and nobody else will until marriage" - close estimate of the words from Grace Chastity

@@Bluey-Leafeon I think its "Nobody's seeing THIS [her body] until i'm married. Not even me!" (also Boy Jerry calls her a dirty girl in that same scene which is cool)

Also, I agree, Ruth's so cute through the musical.

SHE ISSSS

she typically does!

yes!!! i think that’s why it’s my favorite so far, because they’re all at their very more experienced and best and they all do so good

It's not a trilogy, and this isn't the finale. No one in Starkid ever said that, and they've got Nightmare Time season 3 and a whole ass movie slated after this one

@@houselemuellan8756 they said they were done with hatchetfield musicals after this one, I know NT 3 is a possibility depending on whether NT 2 gets enough traction but what movie?

@@houselemuellan8756 Oh really? Of all facts to have apparently made up in my own head, I'd be happy if this was one. Though I was specifically referring to the stage plays, in any case, 'm glad we get to get more Hatchetfield. I had heard about the movie, but I'm stoked to hear about Nightmare Time 3 as well, the first two were phenomenal!

@@feathertails They're working on a short movie "Working Boys"! Or they might have finished it up already, it was part of one of their Kickstarters I believe. They released a trailer on YT this October

​@@luna732Working boys is more than finished, it was streamed on the Halloween watch party. They talked about NMT3 and a possible movie in the future that has nothing to do with WB

Wait a minute I’m kinda confused by the last thing you said. Cause Ted and the homeless guy are two separate characters in The Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals.

​@@ASMRBOO0_0 In "nightmate time" (I dont remember witch episode) it's revealed that ted ends up being the homeless guy. I highly recomend watching nightmate time!!!

​@@ASMRBOO0_0watch Nightmare Time ep 2, Time Bastard.

@@ASMRBOO0_0 in time bastard it's revealed that the homeless guy is a version of ted who was sent back in time then trapped in the bastard's box by tinky and went insane and they coexist because of timefuckery

* @@ASMRBOO0_0 There’s an episode of Nightmare Time - Time Bastard - that shows they’re the same character (Ted wishes he could sleep through the next few years, wakes up in the future, goes back in time to fix a relationship but then can’t return to present day because he went back to before the paradox occurred, with no house, money or friends he ends up as the homeless guy. That’s why Tinky says “Oh, boy! A Spankoffski! I’ll have the whole set in my toybox!”, because he’s the one that caused the time paradox for Ted)

It also works as general world building for Hatchetfield since alongside with names like Sarah Zimmerman it seems that Hatchetfield has a history of german immigrant families

There is also the Metzger family and Metzger means butcher in German...

​@lunagrindelwald4834 what show or NMT ep they mention the metzgers?

@@zoharamitai8719 During Perky's Buds (Season 2, Episode 2, Part 1), the Metzger's are not happy with Emma and Ziggs for cutting down the trees to make place for the pot farm.

I'm so glad you said it, it's one of my favorite subtle writing choices that I noticed on a rewatch. I love when show's make a character say something, that ends up becoming a very literal sentiment

That's so smart I hadn't noticed that! And there's even a sort of religious metaphor in that line with talking about eating fruit in reference to sex/sin, which foreshadows Grace's whole relationship with her idea of Max. Maybe I'm reading into it too much but the writing in this musical is so smart that I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional

@@jessieleo7224 It definitely feel like an intentional parallel, given how many times there's stuff like that in the musical. I keep thinking about how they made Max sing "who'll pray for you" which is so poignant given his god-complex, only for Grace to recycle that, but to new effect given her devoutness, and how she considers her targets "denounced" by god. In general, in love with the dynamic of pairing up the fanatically devout Grace with a guy sporting a god complex

came here to say the same thing ✌🏼

There's so much subtle foreshadowing that i love. Like, the "i expect you to betray me" line from Dirty Girl. Or the whole "Literal Monster" song as the mayor literally stated later that "you two have created a literal monster." I love a good, tasteful foreshadowing.

they say 2021 weirdly. it takes place in 2020 cause its the fall semester of their senior year.

The lyrics are: "There's no way to turn for the class of 2021" They say it weirdly so that it rhymes. This was confirmed by Jeff

@@Ems-zd1fy Ah, okay. Thanks for the correction!

This is set in fall 2020? Well that confirms the fact this is an alternate timeline.

Classes are named by the year you graduate. So they would be Class of 2021 regardless.

I'M PRETTY SURE THEY COULD. I'M PRETTY SURE HE WOULD HAVE CALMED DOWN IF HE FELT THAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT HIM NOT ONLY WHEN HE MAKES THEM FEAR HIMSELF Buuut, also, he directly stated that he thought that the highschool is the best he could get out of his life, so maybe he would still be like he was , just to feel the power he has while he has it

Like to imagine a happy little world where none of this ever happened but also…he definitely had some mental issues even before he died. He definitely had a god complex

​@@nikithebakerpretty spot on. Lots of bullies do just want to feel powerful and significant while they can because in their family they've been made to feel the opposite, they probably don't expect a lot out of their futures or any solid relationships so who cares right

I hope out there somewhere there's a timeline where he didn't get killed and things went at least half-well for the six of them

@@OriginalGameteer au where the prank goes well, Max starts to respect the nerds and is learning to build relationships and gains authority once again in a healthy way, the nerds are being accepted and loving their life ( aka Go go Nighthawks but where the happiness isn't taken away by a certain ghost) and it's all a sugarcoat fairytale with no villain because they all deserve a giant break

I was wondering if it was Jon or Richie that was struggling. I want it to be that it was poor Job that was having a hard time. It just so funny. 😂

Jon just published a vod of watching NPMD with Jeff and said it was an intentional decision to intersect the spoken line with "struggle" getting the costume off lmao

@@nutelasaur9453 i watched that stream, thanks for explaining it anyways!

as a school mascot irl who has to wear a suit like that….yeah that struggle was genuine 100%

I think the cheerleader saying "Mr. Lipschitz" is to show that people recognize Ritchie's real name and not Shit Lips

in the commentary that came with the digital ticket, kim actually said that the "mr. lipschitz" line was supposed to be spoken by her teacher character, but the quick change to her cheerleader outfit was just TOO quick, so they scrapped the costume change, but kept the line!! i really like the interpretation that it shows the students recognizing his name, though 🥹🥹

There’s so many ways that like they could’ve concealed or stopped the murder like if Steph just didn’t tell Max that it was a prank they likely would’ve just left and Richie could edit the footage to only show Max’s initial fear, if they just left the body and left some sign of a break in (even if it was just an unlocked door) Max could’ve broken in and fell on his own, Grace could’ve just said that Max took her bracelet at school beforehand so she no longer was at the crime scene. The nerds routinely make bad choices that worsen their own position, which almost makes it like a conventional tragedy like Macbeth

@@rattyxoxo7397 Part of me wonders if their choice to dismember him was influenced by the curse on the Wayland house or something. I know Grace was the one to suggest it, but considering what happened to the Church of the starry children, and how the hatchetmen are a major part of the lore… I’m probably thinking too deep into this, but it’s something I just realized.

Yess

For me TGWDLM can't be beaten

Yessss, totally I mean i love AHPM and Twisted and TGWDLM, but this musical is on the whole new level

Agreed

as someone who saw it irl the closeups are definitely my least favorite thing about the proshot. they really cut out a lot of great full body acting (esp from lauren!) and acting/dancing that happened in the aisles! seeing their faces is great but i wish they showed the full stage more, the backdrops are also so beautiful, there’s three layered ones that make the stage looks HUGE. i was trying to read them the whole time

Interesting! I didn’t know this, I thought it meant that Stephanie’s mother being pregnant was a surprise and Mayor Lauder didn’t want Stephanie and she was born in October.

Much like how Lauren and Jon’s outfits were coordinated in TGWDLM bc of course the main couple in a musical has to have coordinated outfits, and in that one I think it was deliberately calling attention to the trope given the meta aspect of the show, but here it seems more subtle and genuine

There's an audio commentary??? Where can I watch it?

in the nightmare time theme song the line “the nightmare’s gonna get you” switches to “Daddy’s gonna get you” in the last repetition

Is highschool not 6 years? I finished in 2017, but started in 2012.

@@iantophernicus6042 in the USA school system, since that’s my reference and that’s where the musical takes place, some people count middle school, like my middle school was in the same building as the high schools and was called jr high, but that wasn’t actual high school, highschool is 4 years, 9-12 (freshman, sophomore, junior, senior)

The musical actually takes place in fall of 2020, since they graduate in summer of 2021.

@@semosayba yea, I wasn’t quite sure what time of year it was and didn’t feel like checkin, thx

My head canon says that since Richie looks like a younger version of Paul (obvious real world explanation = Jon looks like Jon), and Nightmare Time has told us that there are clones of Paul lurking in the basement at CCRP, so maybe Richie is another released/escaped Paul clone - just a teenage one. Maybe Max's Dad works in cloning and Max knows things. Or maybe (more likely) another Richie just refers to 'another kid like Richie'.

*leitmotif. sorry film and literature major, if it was a motif it would be the words or a symbol.

God I fucking love that every time that leitmotif calls me back to the original line “look what happens, nightmare time” from Alice’s corpse singing to Bill about look what happens when you don’t pay enough attention to your child in favor of your own selfish gains and getting caught up in your own traumas and flaws and then here we hear it again as a dead boy with a shitty father bullies and kills another kid who has consistently been bullied for years and not been helped by the adults until their attention is finally drawn by his actual death

I won’t lie, I hope that’s the trend that still continues just cause the contrast of Bill and Alice’s more tragic estranged relationship vs Solomon and Steph’s especially estranged relationship took me by surprise meeting the Lauters. Just a different tone in a familiar setting of characters which I give props to the actors for.

I was thinking the same! And shortly after that he covers his mouth with the newspaper😂😂

Who says it's the weakest? Literally every comment I've seen compare it to the previous two says that this one is the best of the trilogy!

i agree with you; this one's definietly my favorite in the trilogy!!

I still think TGWDLM is the best one but I liked NPMD better than Black Friday

@@syystomusame

But otherwise I loved the video

i can hear it 💀

i am not american haha in my country we say class of [first year in high school], so students graduating this year are called the class of 2021 and high school lasts 3-4 years depending on what you're studying thank you for clarifying! and thank you for enjoying the video

@@cherrieeethat’s so interesting! i love learning the little differences like that

In nightmare time, written before this, it’s stated that Grace showers in a bathing suit because not even she is allowed to see her naked body before marriage. So that was already established but I really like your idea that she doesn’t know how to visualize a man naked so she goes with the jeans for Max, that makes sense