NU METAL TIER LIST PART 2 

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Finn: I don't understand why people like Mudvayne Also Finn: let me show you my favorite Crazy Town song

Shitting all over SOAD and still having the balls to acknowledge the fact that they are S tier is the epitome of integrity. Finn knows his shit.

Toxicity has one of the best drum sounds ever, especially on that snare. It sounds incredible.

SOAD was a gateway band for me, but still to this day they're my favorite band of all time. The message behind their music was really eye opening to me as an 11 year old. Still rings true to this day.

I didn't listen to SOAD growing up so nostalgia isn't a thing to me. I love them because they are in fact awesome and make badass music.

Finn: My problem is people who have excessive enthusiasm for anthything. Also Finn: CRAZY TOWN!

Deftones on the same level as coal chamber is a travesty. They’re absolutely S tier.

Korn was opening for System this year and all their albums have gone platinum. I think you don't give them enough credit Finn. It's kind of like if you judge The Cure based on Friday Im in Love or Boys Dont Cry without ever hearing the album Disintegration. There's more to it. Cool sounding vocal harmonies in some songs, interesting guitar parts, some cool middle eastern instrumentation and influences. Plus they've raised a lot of money for Armenia who really need it now since theyre being invaded by Azerbaijan (backed by Turkey).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the reason early Deftones sounds like 'Generic Nu-Metal Riff #300' is that they pioneered that style, and promptly moved on from it with White Pony and thereafter. That being said, I'm a fan, but their fanbase is ... zealous. Real zealous.

Even though I don’t agree with your opinions on Deftones I love to hear your commentary on them it’s hilarious 😂

Deftones are legit S Tier. Latest album reached #5 on Billboard Top 200, they were nominated for 3 Grammys in 2022, (Mike Shinoda’s remix of their ‘Passenger’ won), and they won Loudwire’s Album of the Year last year.

SOAD is a absolutely unique band with diverse songs, interesting influences.

Love how Deftones were part of pioneering numetal then evolved to other genres before it went to shit

I listened to all this nu metal stuff with friends in high school, and melodically System Of A Down stood out to me considerably more than the majority of other bands from that genre.

0:00 Intro 0:59 Taproot 2:49 American Head Charge 4:59 System of a Down 8:18 Crazy Town 10:00 Linkin' Park 10:25 Limp Bizkit 10:38 Slipknot 11:01 Mushroomhead 14:31 Deftone 20:18 Outro

his rants about why he doesnt like deftones last as long as my rants about why i like deftones. i wont cave to a man with more than one hatebreed tattoo.

I love how Finn calls Deftones “stoner incel” music but truth is, people bang like rabbits to some Deftones 😂

Taproot was at least a B tier band, Finnjamin. Downtuning to drop A, but not using it to exclusively to be heavy, while also singing instead of grunting through the vocal parts was actually fairly impressive back then. There’s a reason Stephen was one the few rock vocalists who ended up on Linkin Park’s Re-animation. Lane Staley was even going to do a song with them before he passed, so I’d say they deserve more cred than you’re willing to give em, but hey, that’s just me. 🤷‍♂️

You have inspired us to get more drip, dreads, and a backpack. Also, thank you for acknowledging Crazy Town. My drummer and I (Justin) started listening to them as a meme back in 2018, and we ended up actually digging a ton of their more nu metal songs. Love your sense of humor and blunt opinions, Finn. Keep up the awesome content!

“SOAD sucks” *starts to get angry* “if you were 12 and had never heard metal before you get a pass” .. okay thanks. God I needed SOAD when they came out. Helped my little pre-teen angst heart.

From SOAD to the whole-ass continent of Europe, Finn putting everyone on maximum today!

The SOAD slander is making me lose my mind

I love your commentary on everything man. You made me crack up a couple times. This is my high school tier top whatever. There were so many bands around that time that made the era great, but you nailed it 100%, lol. I appreciate all the videos that you do and I expect to see more covering the era that I miss the most. Because of you I decided to discover and embrace alot of bands that I may have misjudged and overlooked during the time period because I wasn't able to let go of Nu-Metal, but it's been a good ride through time, so thank you!

You said our name. Our drip is -1000.

Love Deftones but even Chino agrees with you that Stephen’s weed consumption seems to contribute to his conspiracy theory beliefs lol. Also would of loved to see you rank Nu Metal era Machine Head, Rob Flynn’s drip in the 90s was S tier alone.

Amazing video finn! Here’s some Bands I’d love to see in a part 3: disturbed, dope, powerman 5000, static X, Snot, Primer 55, Hed P.e, fear factory, ill Nino, machine head and skindred

I love your second channel for all the jokes and witty commentary you pull off. Keep it up! 😂

SOAD is a band that combines really awesome music influences from the caucasus and metal, they are good song writers, the vocals are unique memorable passionate and very melancholic, they use melody in very interesting ways. Their albums are fun to listen to and their messaging although a bit immature is resonant. People still connect with the band to this day. Just look at the number of views in their songs. The band is massive.

"I hate this band! S tier." And that's kind of one of the things we're here. I'd agree with Chino not being the greatest singer, but as with SOADs Serj (who I actually think is/was pretty good), there's something unique to their voice that makes him stand out. And with all the talk about "local bands"... you gotta have a lot of good local bands around :D

I remember seeing American Head Charge live at Ozzfest they were actually really good, and I was front row for Taproot too I loved it.

One of my favorite videos you’ve done! I am a SOAD fan but you had some good points. Also, your Taproot comments made me laugh out loud!

“Man this shit sucks” * goes and listens to a really low production cringe punk song from the late 80’s *

Man, I couldn't disagree any more with you. But, damn do I love listening to you formulate opinions. You are articulate, humorous and passionate. For that, you have all my respect.

Respect on your SOAD rating. I think it’s the catchy songwriting, memorable lyrics, and the mystique of Serg’s quarter tone scales that got a lot of teens (lol) like me hooked. Simple, different, and easy to recognize goes a long way to the masses. I like them for a different reason I guess.

You have to do your take on Incubus. They are criminally underrated.

Honestly really nice to hear you finally let your hate for SOAD fly after so many instances of apparent restraint. They're one of my favorite bands but goddamn is the fanbase a circle-jerk

Never really been into nu metal but the first time hearing Deftones after growing up on Slowdive, Smashing Pumpkins and stuff like that Deftones blew me away Love the drawn out vocals all the reverb haha

Not putting Deftones in S is INSANE dude. Utterly bonkers hot take

I remember downloading white pony on napster. It took 9hrs and I was so stoked. Finn just shat on that memory with that broootal rant. It was hilarious tho.

I always thought SOAD was an interesting band, especially in the pantheon of Nu-Metal/Alternative etc.. Musicianship was solid. Lyrics were interesting from a narrative POV. Their albums are better and most consistent than a lot of the bands around that time. Their music has also aged a lot better than their Nu-Metal contemporaries.

Soad was all about the chaotic energy and frantic guitars mixed with the melodic choruses it was good and fresh. Heavy but sounded nothing like korn and nothing like a death metal band just different and new

Good stuff! I miss Peabodys. Our band played there a few times back in the late 90s and early 2000s. We never did open for Mushroomhead but did play with Chimaira a few times back then. So many awesome local venues in the Cleveland area back then. The one I always remember was Pit Cleveland (think it was on or around W 44th). The elevator was broke and I had to carry my drums up three flights of stairs every time we played there. 🤣

12:46 Yep, J was a bartender at the time also did Odd-jobs while he was funding his side projects "Pitchblack Forecast" and "Scelestus" amongst other projects. He also did merch for bands on tour and that's how he probably met Devin Townsend (who's featured on a PBF track) and also how he met the Atomic Clock Gene Hoglan who is the featured/recorded drummer for the Pitchblack Forecast band. PBF is somewhat similar to 216 but has a little bit more going for it with various cameos. He released the PitchBlack Forecast record and Meshuggah's "I" EP on his Fractured Transmitter label. He is a really cool/chill dude that could have been a MONSTER in the Thrash/NYCHxC scene if he wanted because he has a specific growl, like Randy Blythe has his. -a Mushroomhead Stan ✖️✖️

I can appreciate that you hate SOAD with a passion but are still subjective enough to place them in S tier. Bravo Fin 👍🏼

My thing with Deftones is their latter albums and how they dabbled into post-rock/metal shades combined with their signature sound. Really cool stuff.

would be interested to have a part 3 or in general thoughts of new bands that are doing that small nu metal revival, like Wargasm, Nova Twins etc

So basically, you’re saying you don’t like SOAD because you’re worried about other people’s perception of your taste in music? Cmon man be an individual

As a Deftones and System Of A Down fan I died laughing when you talked about them, you're so entertaining! Good shit bro

I was never a huge Deftone fan, I do like select tracks. However, I think they should be an S tier band for also bringing 7 string guitar into a more mainstream audience. Sure Korn had a large part to play, but so did the Deftones.

I hope you do a part 3 just cuz there's a lot of nu metal bands I love that I'd love to hear your opinion on like the band Dope for instance cuz i feel like they've always been very underrated

Taproot on E tier is a crime against humanity

Still listen to deftones on the regular

Wanted to type a whole rant about Deftones, but i dont wanna be that guy 😂 i just love em cuz they were the soundtrack to my youth and i like the "vibe"

Found this guys channel a while ago pretty entertaining guy 👍 subbed

Based Finn, brutally dismantles my childhood but is objective and puts bands in their proper tier. This man is the real deal

Oh shit him ripping SOAD so hard when I fucking love that band and that album specifically.

I absolutely love Digital Bath. Deftones' drummer has this groove that Is undeniable. Not overly technical, but really fucking slick. As an aging drummer I tend to lean more towards unique grooves more than technical prowess.

We need a part 3. Disturbed. Sevendust. Reveille (def E/F tier). Flaw. STAIND (A/B tier?). Drowning Pool. Systematic. Stereomud. Godsmack! Hoobastank, Chevelle, Early Incubus, Kid Rock 😱You've barely tapped the surface of both ends of this tier list!! Might require a part 4 as well. Come on my man!!

Dude, you just shredded me apart and I thank you! 🤣🤘🍻

*_Finn: “That riff is so fucking generic, bro! So cringe!”_* *_Stephen: “I wrote that in ‘97…”_* *_Finn: “Pfff, it’s such an overdone riff. It sounds like every other fucking nu-metal band, dude.”_* *_Stephen: “Because I wrote that riff back in ‘97…”_*

You could make Taproot’s logo in Halo 3’s emblem creator

I fucking love this, I also know you hate when people mention other bands in the comments, but I think it would be awesome to hear what you think about Incubus

Great video dude- I am only a surface level nu metal fan but this was hilarious :D

I’ll always have that nostalgic love for Mushroomhead. Growing up in Cleveland they actually did a lot to help out a ton of local bands and they seemed to genuinely care about trying to get smaller bands in front of bigger crowds. Plus Stitch produced one of my favorite records from a local band which was the first Who Killed Marilyn record.

We need a part 3 with disturbed, evanescence and incubus.

My boy Finn loves "chunk no captain chunk". They stay in his watched and recommended videos lol great band!

AHHH shit man i was in tears about you don't it has to do with that he smokes his weigh in weed quote was fucking hilarious love your channel brotha!

Soad is not the most talented band, Toxicity is a great album Steal this album great album

The “smoke weed” rant had me wheezing. 🤣 I felt that. Folks bother me.

I'm starting to like this channel more than your main one lol, the commentary is quality

Huge Deftones fan, totally understand your arguments. I've watched you make fun of Rats Rats Rats like 10 times now and it doesn't get old

This is such a smart segment of the show. Can’t wait for the others genres. Yo Adema bro

Been eagerly anticipating this video since part one. “Karen meets Edward Scissorhands” was all I needed to hear to know part two is gonna be good.

Got to give props/ probs.. I never get how to spell that correctly.. to you. Yes i'm a soad listener but tbf I also listen to Jazz, metal, uk hip hop and classical music. To the props/probs part you can differentiate, that has gone lost on many people. You seem like a guy to have a good conversation over music with and a laugh. The drip part took me back to my teen years XD... God I scroll long now to get to my birthdate XD Anyway, really fun content thanks for those videos :)

Been waiting for this

Reasons i like Finn; we disagree about several musical opinions. And his reasons about why my favorite music sucks makes me laugh my ass off regardless lol because its all true lol

In 2000 white pony by Defrones was the album absolutely everyone was talking about. I'm not sure what happenned after that but for a moment they were the future of music.

Got to say I love Defotnes especially later Deftones where they are more soundscapey and chill. But I do love old Deftones too. Legit S tier.

Honestly I think Deftones is way better than you're giving credit. Their early stuff definitely had the basic nu-metal vibe, but White Pony, and especially when you get into Diamond Eyes and Saturday Night Wrist and on, they bring in a lot of shoegaze, post-rock and ambient elements that set them apart from the rest of the alternative metal world. I'd say they're the only one on the whole list that's still putting out quality and acclaimed records through today. They might not be your shit, but they've been the only one to thrive after the death of nu-metal.

SOAD is the only band I would pay any amount of money to see live again. I saw them at a festival before even really getting into them and was blown away. S tier for sure

I’ve never heard Finn get so heated as with that weed rant 😂 I was dying. Great video.

Hot take: Loathe copied Deftones' homework and got a higher grade.

😂 This was hilarious, excellent work finn 👏

Finn thank you for this channel!

"a violent reaction" by American Headcharge is a great song and reminds me more of early meshuggah than anything.

I legitimately love SOAD, but the Olive Garden Metal comment was hilarious

A 23 y.o. european fan of you right here! Hoping to see Static-X on your list. I guess you're not into them, sadly, but I still think they deserve to be included in a nu metal tier list like this. They're kind of an industrial metal band, but definitely with some very strong nu metal influences. Also these days they're surprisingly popular (unlike some other nu metal acts) and their fanbase is huge. Hope you'll get to mention them next time. Thanks for all your content btw! Though I disagree with you about almost every band ever (I find that extremely funny), I really like your style of humor and enjoy listening to you talking. You seem like a really nice guy! \m/

Love both slipknot and nushroomhead but I’ve always leaned more towards mushroomhead simply for their diversity. Their early albums are great.

Best way to start the morning

About the production you said you loved is all Terry Date. He produced their first 4 albums and their newest album, Ohms. He's an amazing producer no doubt. Best drum sound in the game making Abe, who is one of the best and most creative drummers in rock period.

I am satisfied to find that there is a TRUE man of culture here at 12:25, suggesting Seo Taiji in the Twitch chat! Listen to the chat, Finn! The people have spoken. They want the Seo Taiji video!! Ultramania re-recorded is the album to talk about in regards to nu metal! Or maybe a video on important bands from abroad. It might be that I have already suggested that idea in another comment, but it could be interesting

The magic of SOAD for me is a combination of the riffs, the harmonies, and the lyrics.

Finn was in a super pissy mood in this one, I love it!

I’ma go ahead and be that guy and say that “Toxicity” is definitely one of SOAD’s most creatively basic hit songs; not their most innovative or interesting. And I’m not even talking about going for some deep cut instead. Other hit songs like “Question,” “BYOB,” or “Sugar” are more representative of their best work creatively.

The SOAD and Deftones commentary has me dying. So damn funny!

Finn Mckenty uncensored and unhinged 😆 appreciate you're honesty man, not everyone subscribes to everything

I was just sitting here trying to enjoy my juice and then Finn comes in and completely hands my 15 year old musical taste to me on a platter. That sounded like you've been holding onto that SOAD rant for a long time 😂

Deftones have been my favorite band since 1995, and I love the fact that Finn McKenty doesn’t like them

Honestly, you should give Taproot's album Gift a listen. There are a couple of songs that don't pass muster, but songs like Smile and Mirror's Reflection are certified hood classics.