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Loved the video finn Cant wait for the second video!

Do you not like clean lyrics? Because.. an amazing vocalist... I think who gets no respect is the lead singer from Ultraspank.. especially..the " Progress " album

Korns first Album was Dark and groovy.

I use to skate to Coal Chambers self-titled. Devil Driver had some good stuff, but they're more MetalCore.

Me too, sometimes the chill rap verses are the highlight for me with Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park etc. That's why I like nu metal because it has a bit of everything

He doesn't hate them as much as he claims. He says Korn is great, and most of their songs do that. I do agree that you have to do it well, though.

Your mention of clean parts making the heavy slap harder is why I will usually defend melodeath over regular death metal, though the purists hate on that. If it is nothing but growling and blast beats the whole album, you get used to it and it just doesn't feel as intense after a while.

Exactly

Used to love em as a kid but I got really annoyed by them as I grew older.

Legit just watched that last week cause it popped into my feed lol

They had songs in multiple movies as well

I remember having heard new (nu) songs by Mudvayne on rock radio in late 2008, so there’s that.

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Mudvayne was just below slipknot imo in that mask wearing group ahead of mushroomhead for sure

I would have issues with him if he didn't.

@Dave Richards I also see what you did *there* 👀haha

@@christianhackl474 I mean it's pretty obvious, you would have to be Blind to not see that

​@tiagovalen good god, you're great at this

You know all these other nu metal bands Follow The Leader

Fucking Beast Mode! Ryan is so cool.

I did shit my pants when I heard the bass on LD50. I had never heard anything like it and it is the reason i started playing bass

Ryan Martinie's influence is plastered all over metal bass these days. The Jinjer bassist is a prime example. He is basically just carrying on the legacy. Before him the bassist was just "supposed to" play the rhythm root notes to give the guitars more punch. Martini could legitimately be considered the driving force in many of their songs. I know for me as a bass player, he was and still is one of my biggest influences.

@@kennyhouser3467 100%. I remember me and a bass player friend of mine learning Mudvayne songs to jam together back in the early 2000's. Watching him play along to the song Dig while I played guitar I couldn't believe the fret board acrobatics he was pulling off. The regular guitar work in that song is pretty basic but the bass was next level. I'd never seen a bass played like that in metal.

Can confirm, picked up bass in 3rd grade, discovered LD50 as a freshman in HS, now at 26 I can say without a doubt, that one album has had way more influence on my bass playing than any single other source. I picked up so many little techniques trying to emulate Ryan.

How the hell is Mudvayne more popular now than they were back in the dsy? I dont get it?!? I met them in Detroit and Ryan is as cool as you would think.

Nobody remember mudvaynes famous MTV awards appearance? They were awesome to us 13 year olds

A tier band for sure

@@alanomie because "brr brr dang, brr brr dang" is a meme at this point. And the internet is undefeated at spreading popularity of a meme.

BRR BRR DENG

Only 2 didn't make it... Korn & Requiem

Even their self-titled their newest one from 2009 was really good

Ld50 & five pointe o’s untitled hve aged gracefully

Lost and found is a god tier album

Brr brr deng brr brr deng brr brr deng

@@sickfitz4256 nu metal at its best

Nope... nothing to gien is fuckin insane. So many great moments. Prod?!?

I found a Living Sacrifice CD at the local Berean(Christian FYE) and my parents HATED it. I bought a Christian metal DVD and my mom did take that one from me haha. "Heaven's Metal" I think it was called, it was just too "extreme."

Have you ever heard of seventh Angel? Their album Lament for the weary goes hard

This is me 💯💯💯

Bought me a Warwick Thumb bass last week just cause of him. Ryan is an amazing musician and super humble person.

Facts, all of them are amazing musicians. Chad is my favorite metal vocalist. I hate Hellyeah tho

too bad hes with Fodera now.. Gotta get me a Fodera instead xD

he’s a talented vocalist too

I'd argue he's one of the best bassists period not just of the era

Bro I still pump this shit 20 years later likes it's fresh asf also still rocking Osiris like it's 2001

@@xXchaotic-spiteXx *HELL YEAH…!!!!* *Brother, I HOPE YOU STILL ARE.* 🙏🤜🤞

Thank you!

Karen meets Edward Scissor Hands 🤣🤣🤣

I say we Go Found Finn's chin fillers lol

Haha damnit, I just left a comment about this lol. I went to a little hillbilly farm school with 100 kids in each class and the girls STILL loved Jay Gordon

Orgy was the best

Battlefield Earth, Queen of the Damned, man that makes me have some weird flashbacks

@@DBL304 Daredevil,Doom,Punisher

The matrix

@@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000 big facts!

Yes!!! This is maybe my favorite part of the nu metal aesthetic

I think they got the appreciation they deserved. They weren't as influential as bands like Korn or Slipknot and just didn't have the same lasting appeal and originality those bands had. I remember seeing them on the 2nd stage at Ozzfest 2001, honestly I kind of paid half attention to them I was probably preoccupied and just getting hyped up for Marilyn Manson and Black Sabbath, they both were amazing live back 2 back!

Their "singer" is beyond fucking terrible.

@@DaveFurbush Your wackass opinion...

Check out the Roach Koach podcast!

Same

@@matthewerne9178 yes dude, Roach koach is fucking essential for any Nu Metal enthusiast

Lol Nu Metal RULES. I don't care what anyone says

Roach Koach is The Nu Metal MBA

ha. I just commented basically the same thing.

To be fair, we're horribly abusive lol

I’m glad he’s gonna finally give an opinion on them and SOAD without being forced to make whole videos.

Deftones are like such a niche thing. Around the Fur is probably my favorite album of theirs, but everything after that is more commercially successful. I didn't realize that their latest album reached #5 on billboard, that's crazy. But, I don't know, it's like they exist in a vacuum. I wouldn't cite them as a big influence on a lot of things, they just carved their niche out and do it really well.

I don't see a lot of toxic Deftones fans. Everybody I know that love Deftones, are genuinely nice people. I've been to 2 of their shows, got pictures of me and Chino taking in Raleigh, NC, and everyone was cool. I never try and push them on others either. I usually tell people that they might not like it, and if they do we can talk about them.

Now they just need to do an album cover of their logo on Chinese take out and the circle will be complete.

Kittie rules.

One of them now has a damn good doom band, The White Swan.

@@devenscience8894 Yeah White Swan fucking rocks.

What was your band??

@@nicholasmisiak4724 illbred theory. Just a local band that got lucky. Was nothing big.

I will defend Kittie till I die

lmao, I kinda dig coal chamber's style. their music is perfectly heavy and the crazy outfit styles that they did were not *too* cringey.

I saw them live a few times back in the day. CC were a good band but they certainly were no Korn or Deftones, they kind of ripped off Korns sound, but they were a good live band!

Their album dark days is top tier nu metal

@@kandykorn4425 How Finn talked about them for about 5 minutes without even a snippet of “Fiend” baffled me.

People tend to forget about Coal Chamber.... Snot too

Soulfly are dope, and got their name from a dope song that Max did with Deftones called Headup.

You ever wonder what’s in those backpack? 😂

Left me hanging! :)

@@beastmerc84 DDOOOOOD...Headup goes hard as fuuuuuuuck. Back in 1998 (or whenever) that song was filthy as hell and one of the main reasons I love Deftones so much

I dont believe you..lol....but I do like soulfly

If you start the song at 10 and remain at 10, 10 doesn't feel so powerful. Need some lows to appreciate the highs.

Big gitar string go chug chug

Im with finn on this one, but I do like clean bridges when they accomplish a mood or “clash” with the rest of the song in an intentionally environmental/ dissonant way. often times they don’t seem to add anything, and that’s what sets bands like korn and soulfly apart, the songwriting in korn is just objectively better than most other nu metal and every section of a korn song is a hook so the little worm parts just make their songs even more catchy

That’s cause Korn knew how to do it right. Daddy being a great example. The tension Korn built in their soft parts actually did build texture and make the heavy parts even heavier. But in a lot of Nu Metal bands it is just a weird back and forth.

@@loompy1440 They understand Groove & Melody for sure

Feel the same way about the individual members. I really enjoyed hearing Chad’s vocals evolve throughout time on the albums. Great band all around.

They would be great, but their lyrics are F tier. Just truly awful.

@@SerErryk you’re wrong but ok

Fkn love Happy.

“Determined” is heavy, ld 50 is like prog nu metal

great album

The problem is Lost and Found came after LD50 and EoATtC.

Happy? Was an amazing song!

Their new song is still as predictable as it gets.

@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 I don't disagree at all. It's just nice to actually hear some real guitars in the intro and outro finally lol. The processed drums in the verses were a bummer and the progression (especially the chorus) was so obvious. I hate that John's side project has been so "one and done". He was doing some kinda cool "Old Skillet" sorts of stuff with that and I really liked the entire EP.

@@coleG112 I just heard about his side project the other day. There’s a lot of potential in it and the guy can yell. And yeah, I cannot stand that chorus. I read a comment about how it’s meant for Madden or WWE. I do like the way the guitars sound but would be nice to hear more than just power chords.

Interesting take I never noticed that good observation

Isn't Imagine Dragons Mormon already

Same, they were like the perfect fusion of Nu Metal and Industrial

I believe that Deftones gets away with it for not being so cringe as most nu-metal ;D

Who doesn't

@@ChiefWiggum-sf7uq me 🤷🏾‍♀

@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 also me

@@Wolfiegreenwood omg we do exist lol

Finn doesn't care for Mudvayne, but youre right, he absolutely should!

Mudavayne's whole rhythm section is S tier. They are super talented musicians, but unfortunately the band wasn't around for that long. I think they would be at the same alt-metal level as Deftones had the band continued.

@@alanomie “Bad drip” 🤦🏽‍♀️😆

I saw this somewhere but he has 4 octaves which is 1 or 2 more than average, the drummer matt is a really good songwriter and surprisingly is really good at ambient stuff, Ryan martinie is obviously one the of the best bass players in modern metal and the guitarist is really great at supporting the band.

I agree, Orgy was an industrial metal, and that is a maybe. But I love their music.

He still carrying that backpack?

@@gpcbt89 Not anymore haha. He started wearing it when he was in Il Nino and then kept it for his first few years with Soulfly I believe

I saw Soulfly open for Slayer back in 2002. Can confirm no backpacks at that point, but Roy had awesome pink and black hair at that time.

For nu metal it's obvious I think Linkin Park, Limp Bizkits, Korn and Slipknot

This needs to happen. His big four of pop punk video was unexpected but convincing, so I'm sure he would make this fun.

@@RaviYadav-bj6mw limp bizkit were big yes,but they were way too goofy to be a part of any top four.I will take Deftones in their place and bam,that's my big four of nu metal right there

Metallica = Linkin Park (most successful and went the most mainstream later) Megadeth = Limp Bizkit (cuz Durst definitely has some of those douchey Mustaine vibes) Slayer = Slipknot (I think the reasons are obvious, Slayer was more brutal than most other thrash, and Slipknot was as heavy as nu metal got) Anthrax = Korn (early pioneersbecame forgettable in the middle stretch of their career then brought it back with the return of a key band member, and their team up with Skrillex is reminiscent of Anthrax's Bring the Noise crossover)

Korn, Deftones, Slipknot, linkin park

I agree.

I agree.

Agree, and highly influential too, especially Ryan Martinies bass playing has inspired a lot people to start playing bass.

I agree, my favorite band. Bro musically they are the most superior band when it comes to musician ship other than maybe slipknot but that's a huge maybe

@@RCX817 yee. I honestly don't find the face paint cringey.

@@theirishpotato6588 no not at all, it's part of the show

Have you heard of Cold?

He hates deftones

Deftones is by far the best "nu metal" band

@@kushalbhattacharjee2252 he hates the fans

Deftones is great but do they really count as a fully nu metal band? It's just Adrenaline, half of Around the Fur, and like one song off White Pony.

Check out their Awakening album!! But Murdered Love was just about as heavy as Snuff the Punk and Brown!!

They better be!

In the 20+ years I've been listening to the Deftones, you are the second person I've seen call their fanbase toxic.

@@peazeralus pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

@@dalekay9ine no, Finn has a rule never to talk about Deftones in any meaningful way because of their fanbase. Plus, he doesn't like them, which is too bad, because their influence has only risen.

@@peazeralus the other one is Finn?;)

I still love it now like 20 years later

all their albums are fuckin gold

I agree.

Was looking for this comment as soon as I heard that...lol

Exactly. 💯

Unless it’s an actual whale breaching during the surf scenes

That's a good one. But I like Sway a little more

Tyler’s Song

Headstones and the Walking Dead for me, the riff is infectious and the lyrics are hilariously bitchy since the band was breaking up. 😂

Thank you!

Where’s Ill Niño?

​@@jasonfromguitarcenter Never got into sorry

They were about the same age of the cast of that 70s show

Do you live in Canada? They didn't get too big in America, however they were fairly successful during the early 2000s. I remember watching them live at Ozzfest, they weren't that bad live!

@@TheBridgesYouBurn not Canada but Detroit

It's definitely less cringe.

based opinion

Can’t stand black metal lmao and thrash/metal elitists are the worst

@@nighthawk9532 I like both Black Metal and Thrash but they have WORST FAN BASES EVER.

Definitely

i think the number one reason is that (hed) p.e. AKA Jahred (it's basically just Jahred's vision AFAIK) is to change styles and kinda.... go with the times? before (hed) p.e. he sang in a funk metal band (dont remember the name but he dressed like a glam metal singer in those days - he's like 60 now so it checks out) he later created/joined (hed) p.e. in the 90s and the first album was straight rap metal á la Limp Bizkit's "3 dollar bill y'all " and evolved more into nu metal on subsequent albums, but incorporating a lot of reggae, funk, and hardcore punk but never letting go of the rap metal sound entirely. the 2014 and 2016 albums were heavily influenced by psychedelic rock and hard rock. then they started incorporating a lot of trap. and the latest album has a LOT of variety. i honestly HATE their lyrics (conspiracy theories, homophobia, raping young girls - when he's not singing about social issues or smokin weed...) and Jahred always seemed like a troubled douchebag but i honestly love (hed) p.e.'s music and have listened to them since like 2006. Jahred was always kind of making music he thought would make him cool or popular but at the same time he has a lot of artistic vision and song writing skills. which is probably the reason why they never made it as big as korn and slipknot despite being just as good music-wise. they are too eclectic/controversial for the mainstream, basically.

The second song by them used the same text-to-speech voices as the ending to Antichrist Superstar so it makes perfect sense.

Orgy it's like a nu metal Killing Joke for me