Nuances & complexities as PM Modi speaks to Putin but addresses the world, friendly & sceptical West

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As the world closely watches PM Modi's visit to Russia, and India's shifting role in geopolitics, PM Modi gave subtle yet noteworthy statements in his joint meeting with Russian President Putin. Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta in Episode 1477 of Cut The Clutter decodes these statements as he explains the nuance in them and what they signal to the world.
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05:40 Modi's statement of solidarity
08:10 India's imports from Russia
10:20 Zelesnkyy's reaction & Western skepticism
14:00 Candid discussion on Ukraine and need for peace
16:20 Statement to the West
19:10 Trade imbalance and delayed arms trade
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@ThePrintIndia 15 дней назад

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@nastybadger-tn4kl 14 дней назад

India should get technology to locally manufacture s400

@aashishkumar-oe5zd 14 дней назад

Audio quality is bad

@nastybadger-tn4kl 14 дней назад

MODI is ANTI TAMIL , he should be removed

@equilibrium1037 13 дней назад

I'm sorry, but This baby bottle you constantly suck on of "nations act only in their own interest, not out of charity" is wholly uninterrogated drivel. The Marshall Plan alone makes nonsense of this claim. And no, you don't get to make the No True Scotsman appeal to secondary benefits of charity to pretend that there's no distinction between giving more than you receive and not doing so. Various religiously motivated geopolitical events throughout history are enough to end the debate entirely, not that you ever had the courage to put this cliche to debate in the first place, and it's obvious why: because of how obviously flaccid and parasitic it is. This line convinces no one outside of India. Not even Japan recognizes this pathetic dictum, the same Japan which gave away tens of millions to foreign tsunami victims. Literal charity from a literal nation. And they too have enforced sanctions against Russia at the cost of their investments in Siberia. There's literally no effective distinction between this claim and "we get to do whatever we want to do, and still be treated like those who do otherwise." And what you're doing is not just being silent, but actively inoculating a direct, one-to-one analogy of Adolf Hitler's Anschluss of Czechoslovakia. No getting around that. Ever.

@NeilBiswasT90 14 дней назад

Shekhar ji you missed a major fact. What PM Modi was saying wasn't immediately translated to prez putin. After Modi completes the sentence then translators do their work. So the foot movement is actually for the previous comment Modi made.

@abhinav05252 14 дней назад

Being a seasoned KGB spy, putin may understand hindi expressions

@NeilBiswasT90 14 дней назад

@@abhinav05252 He didn't work in/on India.

@thecomment9489 14 дней назад

Shekhar ji don't have that much brain capacity to fathom that. He is here to do his propaganda.

@seenivasanramakrishnan4357 13 дней назад

What is knowledge? If you want to support Modi, knowledge will spread...

@seenivasanramakrishnan4357 13 дней назад

@@abhinav05252 What is knowledge? If you want to support Modi, knowledge will spread...

@pravinmeher2036 15 дней назад

Very bold and brave move in the den of Putin. Modi is showing he has leverage that he even can say blunt and straight to Putin. That no one else can dare to do.

@srinivasrao369 13 дней назад

Whats the use Putin is not going to listen to him

@studer3500 13 дней назад

Actually Putin has a lot of respect for Modi. He isn't like the back stabling US/EU leaders.

@pravinmeher2036 13 дней назад

@@srinivasrao369 you do the right thing. Putin is doing what he thinks is right for his nation. It's up to him whether to listen or not

@firstworldorder6072 12 дней назад

What does it actually do? Leverage means you have control over someone's actions. This is all just for show. Mr. Modi has zero influence on policies of Moscow.

@reach2prasanna 11 дней назад

@@firstworldorder6072 There was a time when many countries dictated terms to our government. Now tell me, which country dictates terms to India after Modi came to power?

@ashishhedau1097 15 дней назад

Please improve the audio quality.

@Arav89566 14 дней назад

@ram_s_ranga 14 дней назад

I dont support all BJP's policies except some but when I saw the leader of a superpower driving for Modi, I felt very proud as an Indian 🔥🔥

@Pennywise.18 15 дней назад

Peak Indian diplomacy

@sameersheriff7078 15 дней назад

Friend of our enemy is still our friend !!! wow, what a diplomacy !!!👏👏👏

@heatrayzvideo3007 15 дней назад

India payed for missiles that kill children And families. History is watching

@sumondutta1101 14 дней назад

@@sameersheriff7078 it looks the same from the other side.

@nishantshrivastava9674 14 дней назад

@@sameersheriff7078 There is no friend or enemy in geopolitics.. Only national interest.

@Pennywise.18 14 дней назад

@@sameersheriff7078 there are no permanent friends or foes in international diplomacy mate 👍🏼

@dramaworld5987 14 дней назад

The main thing is you can see how intelligent putin is, he gave modi escape from western criticism and at the same time he can tell Russian people that many countries are with him.

@HimanshuMahajan-zn3nq 14 дней назад

Escape from western criticism? 😂 Bro see any Western news channel 😂. And you'll going to see western criticism through international rankings now..

@Hypocritial 11 дней назад

What nonsense!

@sankalp6872 15 дней назад

A classic balancing act. India wants Russian cheap oil and arms and at the same it cannot risk access to western markets.

@Harry-u7839 13 дней назад

millions civilians dying, with your so called “balancing act”🤡. Let’s call it truly what it is, it’s simply being miser and spineless!!

@ykrishv 14 дней назад

“Nations run foreign policy for their own benefits & not on Morality. For too many decades India ran diplomacy on morality & it didn’t benefit India very much”. Yes I completely agree & support new India’s position on this.

@sanathkumar1107 15 дней назад

Please make cut the clutter on 187 crore SC fund scam in Karnataka and Land allocation scam to wife of Karnataka CM

@angarajgautam759 14 дней назад

And also neet scam

@DataCrusade1999 14 дней назад

The bhakts are again resorting to age old tactics. If there is a scam then where is your ED, CBI. With bhakts like you it's always something you can't just shut up. Go to Tushar Mehta and tell him to file a case in Supreme Court he can go to Bela Trivedi in Supreme Court and get the order that says CBI can investigate the alleged scam. The fact that none of it is happening is proof itself that there is no scam.

@DataCrusade1999 14 дней назад

Bhakt spotted

@MrAbhitv 14 дней назад

@@DataCrusade1999ask a question against Congress ? Boom : andhbakt name calling

@DataCrusade1999 14 дней назад

@@MrAbhitv It's best to use common sense once a while.Tell Tushar Mehta to file a case against Karnataka Government in Supreme Court. Tushar Mehta also manages the assignment of cases CJI is master of roster in name only. Mehta should be able to assign this case to Bela Trivedi and she will rubber stamp whatever Mehta wants like directing CBI to probe. As Karnataka has revoked CBI general consent so after Bela Trivedi gives her rubber stamp Mehta can begin an inquiry through CBI at some point Mehta can wedge Money Laundring then ED will enter with SV Raju. Now you have 2 lawyers whose allegiance is to Hindutva 1 Supreme Court Judge and 2 Delhi High Court judges S.K Sharma and Kaveri Baweja. So when Modi has a whole system in place why he isn't filing the case and taking action.

@mohankanakamedala7600 14 дней назад

Really feel proud the way our PM Modi conducted himself in the meetings with Putin and how he could articulate even not so nice things to Putin in person. It requires lot of guts, conviction and reasoning. My only grievance is why doesn't he articulate on burning issues within India whether it was Manipur or Neet Scam or Agniveer. By not doing timely, he is giving political space to clowns like Rahul Gandhi who does not know what he is speaking.

@hemant05 15 дней назад

Really love 'cut the clutter', in depth and unbiased analysis ❤

@bb108 15 дней назад

Its good but wouldn’t go as far as unbiased. Shekhar is cleverly bias.

@arpitpatel5814 15 дней назад

Friend in need, is friend indeed. Thank You, Russia 🙏🏻 For being considerate and mature. 🙏🏻🇮🇳🇷🇺🙏🏻 It is exceptional foreign policy to find a way through so much of conflicting interests. Applaud 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@Habik87_29 15 дней назад

Greetings, Indian friends from Russia. We really appreciate your neutral position despite such monstrous pressure from the West.

@arpitpatel5814 15 дней назад

@@Habik87_29 Just want to Thank You, as well I want to thanks Russia🇷🇺 for being understanding and having large heart for a friend. I personally support war on Ukraine, Russia had no option as corrupt war profiteer Zelensky was hell bent joining NATO. Russia has shown great courage and determination that suits great power. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 But, we have to balance a very tricky situation. We are a 140 crore population democratic country, and our Prime Minister is duty bound to look after present and future needs of such a large populace. As PM Modi said , Russia has partnered with us in our good or bad times (has always supported us in good or bad times). I hope India play it's part in making world understand the importance and eventual benefits to world at large, of Russia being given its importance, particularly the West and US. Thank You, Russia 🇷🇺 ❤️🙏🏻

@ganich73 14 дней назад

More than 99% of indian immigrants choose to live in decayed, corrupted and overall bad "Western" civilization. And much smaller than 1% choose to live in Russia, Iran, etc. It makes me wonder if 99% of Indian who choose West over russia are plain stupid, although here, in the West I haven't met such individuals. Paradox.

@amitavasaha2851 15 дней назад

What Modi said, only he could say ...... working tirelessly to get Permanent UNSC seat

@sameersheriff7078 15 дней назад

Bhaiya, Modi won't be there if China decides to throw missiles at us as Russia will be neutral and the US would distance themselves as well !!! Wake up!!!! Don't be a blind supporter at least now !!!!

@Rahul-ki8ps 15 дней назад

Good to have you back Mr Shekhar Gupta.

@ThePrintIndia 12 дней назад

Thank you, Rahul. That's very kind of you. I hope you liked this episode. Do keep watching and writing in...best wishes, Shekhar

@mercedesbenz3751 15 дней назад

Modi Visited Russia, Russia honoured Modi with their highest Civilian award. Now Indians must get ready for :- Happiness index 192/192 Press Freedom 180/180 Global Hunger Index 134/134 Democracy Index 166/166 . West can only do this to show their protests against India

@RaviChaudhary-ys2re 15 дней назад

Western media is crying we are having fun 😂😂😂.

@MynesallMynesMyneallMyne 15 дней назад

I have to wonder was cheap gas worth financing this atrocity Use of the ruppes for the blood on your hands

@MynesallMynesMyneallMyne 15 дней назад

@@RaviChaudhary-ys2rethe russians just bombed where the children receive education in a war torn country fianced by the ruppes buying cheap gas

@MynesallMynesMyneallMyne 15 дней назад

@@Habik87_29 ghadfierr iranerr putin

@Habik87_29 15 дней назад

@@MynesallMynesMyneallMyneI don't understand what you are trying to say and in what language.

@panimeda245 14 дней назад

Shekharji is such a journalist, and he is very good in showing what Bharath's weakness and strength are to his beloved friends across the LIne. He is very diligent and informative in explaining everything to others so they can know all and screw us from the back. He didn't mention anything about the number of grenade attacks on our solders and infiltration of peaceful people and the bombing of bus and innocent lives lost during the pilgrimage.

@PatSen 14 дней назад

Shekhar, that was an important episode. It was crisp and nuanced. Thank you.

@maveRickduh-rk4io 15 дней назад

This is the reason why we should be self reliant.😏

@VijeDerm 14 дней назад

Self interest Fantastic SG. Modi is a master in matters of national importance

@tushar_ranjan7 14 дней назад

Use the RODE wireless microphone Guptaji. Anything other than that is painful to hear.

@vikramheble9972 14 дней назад

Great content Shekhar, as usual. However, the S-400 part, I think you have got the battery and battalion/regiment interchanged. Please pardon me, if I am wrong.

@Hanamantaray 15 дней назад

Rahul Gandhi congress party looted 187cr ST board funds in Karnataka ,they poached 5 MLAs of BRS, this is democracy of congress.

@abdouliejohn7267 15 дней назад

Congress is the future for India.🇬🇲🇬🇲🇬🇲

@ayes1669 15 дней назад

BJP biggest poacher in the history of india

@fawaaza.7743 15 дней назад

How many did BJP poach from congress again? Leave that, how many parties have they broken?

@Hanamantaray 15 дней назад

I don’t care about BJP, I care about my state , congress looted 187 crores of ST board funds .

@Srike462 15 дней назад

@@fawaaza.7743 Well BJP isn’t doing a realty show carrying a red colored pocket book , portraying themselves as protectors of the constitution.. Walk the Talk

@harisundar8698 14 дней назад

Some pointers : 1) Terrorism finds a mention in nearly every joint statement in recent years, but no mention of Chinese aggression. 2) Putin is indeed a weak leader desperate for some positive optics and friends. He sees India as a card against Chinese from dominating them. 3) India understandably is bargaining hard with the Russians and expect this to continue. Joint development programs for military, investments in Indian markets will take priority. 4) Modi & India are aware of the optics. This is also India bargaining really hard with the West and the West knows India’s ability to influence Russia and to limit the war. 5) Visit to Europe immediately shows India’s flexibility and autonomy which many thought would be hard to continue with. India is flexing itself here. We need this bargaining to show results in the near future.

@HimanshuMahajan-zn3nq 14 дней назад

China is only military alliance and biggest trade partner of russia..you can't expect talks of chinese aggression with Russia

@ThePrintIndia 12 дней назад

All excellent points, Hari, and sharply made. I hope you found the episode insightful. Do keep watching and writing in as you always do...best wishes, Shekhar

@Dr.arian18 14 дней назад

Nice to see Shekar ji back…….hope you are in good health 💐💐

@sanjaydutta1736 15 дней назад

Can't understand why chakra program is not disclosed?

@IndianGeek5589 15 дней назад

Please fix your audio

@jaydeepgadhavi5465 15 дней назад

At 7:39, why two summit meetings ?

@craumm 15 дней назад

This episode is so full of “Log kya kahenge…”

@donray6277 14 дней назад

Good hearted, honest reporting.

@prakashraghunathan2685 14 дней назад

Thank you shekar sir.

@sudhakarbhat6396 14 дней назад

Do you think rahul can make such subtle dialogues

@ramananvenkataraman4594 14 дней назад

Rahul is a crook, but also an idiot luckily for us

@HimanshuMahajan-zn3nq 14 дней назад

Not even in dream

@DeccanPS 13 дней назад

Don't ask andh chamchas of the prince this question. Because they can digest even shit of the Prince, so speech and all is clearly digestible, however bad.

@ArkoProvoMukherjee 14 дней назад

Thanks!

@ThePrintIndia 14 дней назад

Dear Arko, Your generous contributions and unwavering support is invaluable.

@vishnusanthosh6303 13 дней назад

Shekhar ji, you need to invest in a better microphone set. It's not pleasant to hear this over headphones.

@PremdasDutta-iw7nw 14 дней назад

Indo russia friendship is time tested.

@devanahalligirish5519 14 дней назад

Excellent.... Bharath's Foreign policy is always inclusive....My Mother Land has never cheated in any Country and always helped all the countries when they needed.... 🙏🙏

@dev.0122 14 дней назад

Please buy a new mic, the audio was clearly not upto the mark.

@nitinpatel1039 15 дней назад

6 nuclear power plant along with floating power plant is big. For India

@shamsundarkhare6054 14 дней назад

Congrats for a very good analysis

@wanderlust0120 14 дней назад

Please get a decent condenser mic

@hejard_2024 15 дней назад

🤘

@jayarambasgod6193 14 дней назад

Russia is very opportunistic in every sense. For India it is a long standing relationship where we both have benefitted immensely. There is scope for India to take some export advantages. Terrorism is something that needs to be eliminated and Russias support will go a long way. The western should view this as an only internal Bern India -Russia. No detriment to their relationships.

@sarwateashwin 14 дней назад

I am sure many of us would also like a CTC episode on significance of PM Modi's Vienna visit, could you please oblige SG sir?

@lakshmananrajjk1989 13 дней назад

EXCELLENT jolly WORLD TOURS & TRAVELS BEAUTIFUL jolly FOREIGN TOURS & TRAVELS bharath mata ki jai

@SAGAWISIW30 14 дней назад

Putin said you can say anything as long as you buy my oil😂😂😂 and my military equipments 😂

@Lonewolf14159 14 дней назад

Can you do a video on the rising educational costs in the country across all levels?

@surendram9953 14 дней назад

Shekarji, you are a good foot reader try for palm reading (palmistry)also and then face reading.

@speedbird109 14 дней назад

Right foot says ‘NO I don’t agree’ left foot says ‘YES Agree’

@graphicventures 14 дней назад

Shekar, India needs to be wary of such ruthless leaders!

@ashwinb6435 13 дней назад

Not a SG fan but great episode.

@kartarsinghbhatia7543 14 дней назад

Why not an episode on France election

@12345614489 14 дней назад

Especially on Paris violence

@ShyamBlr 15 дней назад

Why are you giving the impression that India has to kiss up to the west? Don't you believe in the Indian growth story? It will be a 10 T $ economy in 10 yrs. Being so, India has to have its own independent Foreign policy that suits its people and its growth and not side with the west or the east.

@SK-lt1so 14 дней назад

Maybe all those Indian workers in the West funneling billions back to India? 🤷‍♂️

@tulasipadmalakshmidasam4814 14 дней назад

What are hidden things in this meeting

@thecomment9489 14 дней назад

Putin's facial expressions are like when will this guy stop talking nonsense. I am so bored 😂😂😂😂

@HimanshuMahajan-zn3nq 14 дней назад

Coping hard?

@raamcaash 14 дней назад

Would be a great diplomatic coup if Modi next does an impromptu visit to Ukraine to try and work on a mid point solution ..

@HimanshuMahajan-zn3nq 14 дней назад

😂 that's gonna be sick af

@Udit-zb8mu 14 дней назад

The talk of deplomacy can only begin after the debri of direspect is disposed of in the battleground.

@Wack373 15 дней назад

Putin full-on poker face 😄

@homayuns2165 13 дней назад

There is a certain degree of respect among criminals. They legitimize each other.

@PremdasDutta-iw7nw 14 дней назад

India wants to be manufacturer and technolgy development hub.

@Anomander5622 14 дней назад

and people compare modi with manmohan era when it was not even clear who was the pm

@rajajjchiramel7565 12 дней назад

Good morning Sir

@asbmbs5530 14 дней назад

Modi is very happy to meet Putin.

@neev091 15 дней назад

Team, there was some issue with today's audio quality.

@ThePrintIndia 12 дней назад

Apologies for that. We are looking to fix it. Thank you for writing in. Regards ThePrint Team

@VyshnavNaadh 14 дней назад

Pls get a better mic

@turbulantarchitect5286 14 дней назад

Shuru ho gya Guptaji ka modi modi, har har modi.

@DeccanPS 13 дней назад

Andh Chamchas are such idiots that the PM of India going on an important bilateral visit is seen only through narrow domestic prism!! No wonder dynastic slaves destroyed Indian foreign policy since independence!! Italian chatukars still fellatiating the prince after defeat.

@rpmittal50 14 дней назад

Now India is boldly transparent in its foreign policy. Gone are the days of trysts, and hypocrisy of moral lectures from podiums combined with jee huzoori at back stage.

@peterapostolou6624 13 дней назад

The difference between America and countries like China and Russia is that America takes takes and takes while the others take and give something back right now Mody is the best world leader India is lucky

@priyanshugupta7882 15 дней назад

@harshaldamle451 14 дней назад

Pls keep hands steady they’re moving all over

@nicb.1213 13 дней назад

Moldy joined Quad, stepping on two boats. Is it possible for Moldy to keep himself stable on it. Do not worry, the US is increasing its speed with more sanctions. Will he loose his balance and fall into the sea or keep himself stable with his chamaeleon acrobat?

@victor256in 15 дней назад

I want Rahul Gandhi as Prime Minister. He will have a bilateral summit with Kim Jong Un while Priyanka hangs out with his sister Kim Yo Jong

@ohboeeboee 14 дней назад

😂😂😂😂

@king_3452 14 дней назад

😂😂😂

@nishantshrivastava9674 14 дней назад

🤣🤣🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

@PavithraSithara 14 дней назад

😂😂

@HimanshuMahajan-zn3nq 14 дней назад

Imagine Rahul giving advise to Kim Jong..how to do x-ray of korea and redistribute wealrh😂

@manjulashanmugasundaram706 14 дней назад

Is it one of those things whose fruits / consequences will be felt much much later?

@suchismitasahachowdhury550 15 дней назад

How can we get our friend back in da house?

@sachaadmi6203 14 дней назад

Morality is a petit bourgeoisie concept

@maveRickduh-rk4io 15 дней назад

No ssn , brahmos 2 and su 57 deal.

@mayanksingh0044 14 дней назад

Love CTC i hope consistentcy

@PremdasDutta-iw7nw 14 дней назад

Make india the manufacturer of technology.

@poojasingla9693 15 дней назад

16:18 maasoom bache is not ukraine hosp attack. Its the coded message for reasi.

@sukhbirsingh8053 14 дней назад

I think Putin understands Hindi

@global9138 14 дней назад

It was a Ukrainian Aerial defense missile that hit children's hospital and not Russian missile.

@user-mg2pf4fg2r 14 дней назад

No doubt Modi asked Potin what he would be allowed to say, and how much it would cost India. Nuanced, and complex.

@VermaRajinder 14 дней назад

This is where the Ling Convoluted Negoriations hurt --- India now has a Huge Gap in its Air Defence - No S400 and neither arf there Sufficient Rafael Aircraft - Now the Delay for the Air Strips in Andamans and Lakshadweep will add to the Defence woes in the South !!! We have excellent ideas but execution is terrible !!!

@singharkirat 14 дней назад

Haha Shekhar putting morality aside.. 😂good .. happy now or still constipated

@nasratshaik3977 13 дней назад

Shekar modi. Also spoke about India before 2014

@parthakaarjun 14 дней назад

4:35 😂

@jeyaranirani9482 14 дней назад

Let him address Manipur issue first .

@oldngolddays6177 13 дней назад

Its not a contradiction

@jitmick 14 дней назад

Supply of S-400 batteries and Russian aggression in Ukraine may be the biggest reason for the enhanced Indian dependence on American and French armaments...beyond the optics the Indian establishment has so far, managed to do the tightrope walking and trying to manage the tilt that Putin has on Jinping, but while both Putin and Jinping are running autocratic regimes, PM Modi still has the weight of a functional democracy to manage

@Jose-og909 14 дней назад

Modi's got balls going to Moscow and saying it to his face.

@ABDUsamad-ud4hh 14 дней назад

Please say Russians become Indias friend only after 2014 .

@ABDUsamad-ud4hh 14 дней назад

Stop your paid promotion

@vjaysan 14 дней назад

Just more clutter to cut the clutter@

@camotekahoy656 13 дней назад

India sail 2 boats in 1 river

@oliversakanyi7238 13 дней назад

Modi, once again lectured Putin on the need for peace and condemned senseless loss of lives, especially the loss of children's lives. It would have been horrible if Modi did not say that, especially after that all that hugging.

@PremdasDutta-iw7nw 14 дней назад

Why russia is not importing indian manufactured goods.wants quick drlivery of 3 operational battery.

@HimanshuMahajan-zn3nq 14 дней назад

Because we don't produce things that russia needs

@kirikoo9981 15 дней назад

Chiup, what body language.

@SAGAWISIW30 14 дней назад

Iks ok putin said i know its just bollywood ... so the west will not condemn you and they buy yiur products abd i buy them too. So yiu have money to buy my oil ... you will grow economy and i have money to make missiles😂

@dineshkalathil4668 14 дней назад

West should not dictate our PM how to conduct with other world leaders. You are closely conducting your business with our enemy nations such as Pakistan and china etc. and we don't complain about it.

@NarendraKumar-hq5bv 14 дней назад

What is the Point if we cannot even NAME the obvious. Sad. Only words. Obvious words. To know, IS to not help care... Words of Shashank.... Respect? Does a biased Speaker in parliament Deserve respect? Does an unruly Parliamentarian Deserve respect ? Does a Divisive Stupid prime minister Deserve respect? Does a foolish Low intelligent opposition Deserve respect ? Does an immoral Unethical doctor Deserve respect ? Does an abusive Irresponsible father Deserve respect ? Does an ill prepared Uncaring teacher Deserve respect ? Does a corrupt Valueless IAS officer Deserve respect ? Should we respect The person or position? High time we Get this right If our society Needs to Improve ... Good Night. Shashank