I think Null's last words being "Give it to me" just emphasise how he only operates on the instinct of greed, rather than having more complex intentions like Ganondorf, Zant etc.
Null's acts like an instinctinual animal at the end of the day, it would make sense it's last thought would be of mere survival than something equivalent to Denise's curse.
Also to be a reminder that Ganondorf is a greedy bastard, it wasn't enough for just bein' the king of the gerudo, he wanted all the land and he never let it go, because he is just as greedy as his predecessor Demise, The Herald of the Death.
I saw a theory that Null is the progenitor of Demise/Ganon, but that would be impossible. Null can't create something new. He can only make dark echoes of things that already exist.
My theory on it is that Null and the demon tribe are progeny of the void, beings born from chaos and seek to multiply it, Null was simply the first and had the most power, and destroyed and absorbed the power of his kin, recently born. Only with the sealing of the void and Null, did one demon rise up and conquer time to become the demon king and rule the demon tribe, and broke out of the earth in a rift to conquer the surface of Hyrule. That was Demise. Null was isolated and sought no companions in his goal - he worked alone, which is why he attacks indiscriminately, he is a being so ancient, more so than any other demon and even Demise, they are all prospects to attempt to satiate his endless hunger.
For a small correction, he can't also creates echos, he stole the power from the tris, so i would be surprised that he could also stole the power of the goodness to blessed something and make into cursing someone transforming into the original demise.
Maybe... Still, I don't like that it interferes with my interpretation of Demise's geographical origin; that Din created the land by burying the demon realm alive.
It's interesting though that Demise and his demons are always depicted as coming from below the surface, and Null is depicted similarly. I Don't think they are directly related, in that Null created Demise, but life was said to be capable of forming in the void, and Null would just consume it. Maybe the Goddesses, Null, and Demise are examples of this spontaneous generation of life that was allowed to grow and mature before Null devoured it. Maybe in their attempt to seal Null they also inadvertently sealed Demise with him, or Null was weakened and was unable to consume Demise before he was able to grow and become strong enough to fend of Null's attempts to eat him. It's all just speculation, but I do believe that Demise definitely came from the void just like Null.
This game tells us what the triforce literally represents: The three golden triangles surrounding a 4th empty one is the literal depiction of the three golden goddesses imprisoning away Null with the creation of the world.
3:42 Okay then, I like your challenge. The game takes place long after Zelda 2. A few reason I think this. 1. Ganon is all but forgotten by the time of this game. it's obvious that this game takes place in Decline timeline so the only way I think it fits is it takes place hundreds of years after Ganon defeat in Zelda 1. After ganon's final death these rifts start showing up. The reason? Null took Ganon's soul and used it to break through his prison much more effectively causing the age of rifts in Hyrule. (Null had to interact with Ganon atleast once to make an echo of him) 2. In the Decline time line most of the races are gone from Hyrule except for the River Zora, who were driven mad by Ganon dark magic. A lot the the races show up in this game but have not interacted with Humanity that much (none of them even know who zelda is). Additionally, all the River Zora are bros now so their corruption is gone (probably because Ganon has been dead for centuries) In the credits it's shown the other race are interacting with the hyruleans again, implying that they will forge closer contacts now. I think putting it long after Zelda 2 fits pretty well
Personally I think it fits a bit better after FSA in the child timeline. Big Blue Boar Ganon would be a lot less well known there, as he only showed up once,and the name of the Triforce being lost there makes a bit more sense, as it's rarely, if ever mentioned by name in TP, despite playing a large role in that game. This is likely because most characters don't know about Link going back in time, and the triforce splitting because of it, leading to a lot of confusion. Contrast this with Downfall, where the Triforce has been consistently named, used, and kept track of from LttP through Zelda 2. All the races that appear in EoW appear in the child timeline, including River Zora in FSA, and Hyrule doesn't fall into nearly as hard of a decline there. I also think you might be overselling the degree of separation between the Hylians and the other races. Hyrule is a loose Confederation in most games, closer to the HRE than a unified kingdom. While the King is acknowledged as technically being in charge, in practice the other races mostly do their own thing with little oversight, Hyrule is at its most unified in OOT, but keep in mind that was directly after a civil war to reestablish control. In conclusion, I think Child Timeline works best, and this would even make FSA an important game, which is cool.
I’m a bit curious. I knew the Goddesses were aware of the threat Null poses, but didn’t expect that the creation of the world was a safeguard. They didn’t make everything and everyone without a purpose. Makes sense in a way, but they left behind so many safeguards on top of that for the safeguard. Hylia, the Triforce, the splitting of the Triforce, the Master Sword, etc. I have to wonder if every threat in the series was just really that much of a small fry compared to Null. He had no influence on them, yet was just a looming threat always in the background the sprites fought as everyone else fought their own immediate threat.
The way I think of Zant is more like a spoiled brat who has the right idea about the Twi people neglected magic but his pride get the better of him. And Ganondorf used him just as he had used his people -The Gerudo- to escape from the Twilight realm and conquering Hryule. Basically Zant is too stupid to realize it.
@@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm My use of Majora in the comment was as an example of how Nintendo throws away interesting villains, never to use them again in future games. Could have also mentioned Bellum, Nightmare, Yuga, etc.
I would like to see some of the other “Not Gannon” Zelda villains be dissected. One of my personal favorites is the villain of Phantom Hourglass. Bellum!
I love how what's possibly one of Zelda's darker (yeah there's probably been worse, Zant is up there) villains comes from a game with such a cute little chibi artstyle
When fighting Shadow Link or Dark Link not only brings back one of the most iconic villains in the Legend of Zelda series. It it gives some angst Zelink vibes when the player is facing him as Princess Zelda. If hurts that the hero of the Gods who risked his life to save his princess turned on her. But that’s not the REAL Link like all the imposters.
When playing through the Echoes of Wisdom story, I liked how Three Golden Goddesses (Din, Nayru, and Farore) had not only create the land that has become known as Hyrule, and how the Goddess Hylia have watch over the Triforce as the define trio return to the heavens. But also a barrier that keeps Null at bay as he is a personification of the void or lack of existence. Null's introduction made him such an interesting villain. He is not tide to Demise's curse or different versions of Ganon/Ganondorf. But rather an evil entity who is a formidial foe to the creators of the Triforce, and he has been around since the dawn of time with a goal of turning everything into nothingness. In a way, Null is the arch nemesis to the Three Golden Goddesses as Demise is to Goddess Hylia and her Chosen hero. There is a bit similarities between Null and Calamity Ganon as both are very destructive forces of nature. But the difference is one is created to destroy Hyrule by Ganondorf in ordered to reshape the world back to it‘s original form and rekindle the fighting spirit Hyrule’s inhabitants lacked (as described in the Japanese Text). And the other, Null seeks to devour all worlds and tear reality apart (which makes ruling the kingdom of Hyrule through tyranny and conquest is like nothing but a child’s play).
2:19 FatBrett: “This is the very first completely new Zelda since the Lady in Triforce Heroes…” Master Kooga: “Am I and my Yiga Clan is a joke to you? You owe us a lot of bananas!”
To me Null was very reminiscent of Majora. Both are cunning opportunists who use a mixture of trickery and black magic To accomplish their shared goal of consuming the world. If you haven't played majora's mask, I would strongly recommend it. It was a very refreshing take on the Zelda formula at the time and I would love to see you deconstruct Majora.
Great video. Just a couple of thoughts that differed: 1. I'd argue that Ganon does have the overlapping intention of "destroying the world" in some of the games. Particularly in BOTW, as a few characters (e.g. the Yiga Clan) mention it. I know you later did mention Calamity Ganon as being similar, but I think it's worth mentioning that the phrases like "destroying" and "ending" the world are also used with Ganon. Again though, this changes from game to game. 2. I don't think that Null would necessarily have had to defeat/kill Ganon, as the other characters it had created echoes of were alive concurrently with the originals. I'd say the implication is that Null had come into contact with Ganon (or is perhaps related to Ganon in some way), but anything more than that doesn't seem required based on what the game depicts with other Null echoes. Again, great video :) thanks for the continued cool content!
18:40 Had a concept of having the entire rebirth concept flipped on it's head to ask: why does ganon become pure evil each and everytime? Power isn't evil as that would make Zelda and Link both destructive monsters if thats the case, it's more who weilds that power. So a concept where you play as instead of a purely filled in evil or leaning close to it, he's just a very flawed hero, a ganon more influenced by his enviorment than his nature compared to link and zelda who do circustances outside of their own are highly influnced to be mentally unstable inspite of their nature. A Legend of Zelda thats more a Legend of the Triforce, what would be kept is each of them still best representing their key piece but just Ganon now shows how a person can represent power in a good way inspite of his flaws, Link and Zelda can show that even Wisdom and Courage can be corrupted by the wrong individual, Wisdom can be dismissed or made irelevant by the ability of the individual(due to it being more generally a good trait I can only imagine zelda as neutral at worst) and Link takes courage and turns it into hatred. Hatred against everything and anything that causes him fear of the unknown. I love this so much as it challenges the notion of destiny as well that usually not true, Ganon became evil from his own choices not the power and not his nation it's his fault, it's the reason this herioc version has more flaws than typical link as he isn't link he's ganon, a Ganon who choses to be better. Having the intial heroes from before now be villains not from some outer corruption or evil entity but from their own terrible choices effected from who they are, following Ganon actually winning but it's due to him having a greater copassionate aspiration he grows to care for, that being saving them, saving the people they hurt and espically them from themsevles or atleast trying to. Ganon would gain Courage from challenging the monster he's terrified of being Link and admitting that, that he is terrified. Ganon would gain Wisdom from actually listening and caring about other people outside of his family, seeing that family can come from anywhere and even those who aren't family matter. I love this retake and hope something like it happens as it could add what you said in.
Null is essentially Chaos from Greek mythology. A personification of the void or lack of existence. Kinda a coincident when comparing him with Khaos, don’t you think?
Great video. Another villain I think you’d have a blast breaking down would be DR Nafarious from Ratchet and clank series. He’s a fun mustache twirling villain that everybody loves
Null has a few eerie similarities to Vaati. Especially turning people to stone and using the king as a pawn. Wanting to obtain the Triforce is also kinda been only ganon's thing till now and well Vaati wanted to obtain that force within Zelda. Also in that final boss fight Null takes a shape that resembles Tri a lot. Tri and his friends can also be seen by people with a certain condition met which is also true for regular minish.
Holy frenzy flame batman! I joke but it is a similar sort of thing a primordial force wanting to revert and destroy everything to back to how it used to be . Also I like seeing the Zelda series explore more main villains and not just use Ganon all the time , I know that Ganon is a main part of the repeating cycle in the Zelda universe but I like seeing the variety you can bring with different villains like Vaati .
I am again saying/suggesting that if youre into RPGs like this and cosmic horror villains, Id really love to see you break down some of the villains from the Persona series (both human AND eldritch)
The true villain of the Zelda franchise. This thing is basically the opposite of the goddesses. Where as the goddesses live to create Null lives to destroy creating agents of destruction to carry out his bidding and wipe out all life. His ultimate goal to reduce the entire universe to zero. And Zelda actually killed this thing. But maybe kill should be in quotes. After all you can't truly destroy the concept of nothing. The concept of destruction. It is a concept after all. While Null's physical body and it's heart was destroyed by Zelda it still will forever remain a concept for the balance of creation and destruction is eternal.
when i think of a cosmic eldritch being i like to do a lot of character diving as to me a simple goal like devouring a world to be the only thing left is too simple for me so what im basically saying while it is told us that null's main goal is to devour reality to be the only thing left that cant be where his plan ends as their is gotta be a bigger reason for it and that reason could be the idea of why the goddess's contained him but leaving it ambiguose is the best way to explain it in my opinion as null is a cosmic being and so his wants and needs are so far beyond are human understanding that we can only understand the smaller part of that goal
New villains in Zelda games are always nice. I'm also tired of Ganon/dorf always popping up. At this point I would be happy if they reused Majora or Vaati, maybe even make Cia canon and use her.
Any chance you could do a Villian deconstruction on the Greek Gods of the God of War Series,with the Cycle of fathers being overthrown by their sons with Uranus being overthrown by Cronus and he by Zeus,and Zeus's plans to stop the cycle entirely
While Null is pretty strong, I think Majoras Mask and Deminse are stronger, Null needed the Triforce to eat the whole world, while Majoras by its own power could destroy the whole world by making the moon colide
You're kind of playing with... well, maybe embers, not so much fire, by making this entire video talking about non-Ganondorf Zelda Villains and not mentioning Vaati even once... X'D
ughhhhhh why people finish these games so quickly i can't watch any videos bruh cus I don't want spoilers and I don't have time to finish it till friday 😭
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