I found it more nuanced than this with the XMG Neo 15. I had the 125W RTX 3070 during synthetic GPU test at 2560x1600, however I was sitting at around 132W. Sometimes it boosted to 136W, while the max peak was reported as 140W, but 140W wasn't common by any means. I used to specify the highest power limit in my benchmark graphs, so now I'm thinking I will have to just list the power range as "125-140W".
It’ll be an interesting year! HP was really aggressive with their Dynamic Boost on the 2070s MQ. I had to run the cpu sub 20w to get the GPU to max out.
Do you think the AMD CPU has anything to do with it? I can't find any information on the ryzen 5000h series online yet, but if the 4000h CPUs are anything to go off of, they are less power hungry than the Intel CPUs. Maybe this causes the GPU to be able to boost slightly more than with the less efficient Intel CPUs. If so this would make the Ryzen laptops an even more appealing option, as if that were possible. Edit: also collab between B.O.A.T., Jarrod's Tech, and OWNorDisown when?
@@sabata7658 We’ve collaborated before. The main issue is Jarrod is something like 16 hours ahead of us. Timing is hard and connection isn’t too great.
@@BobOfAllTrades Ah I guess I missed that. I'll have to look that up. You guys are my three favorite tech RU-vidrs. This year already I've met several people on reddit or youtube comment sections that seem to share that sentiment. Here's to you guys blowing up!
@@sabata7658 My next video is a 4800H vs 5800H, granted a bit less apples to apples because both models can basically just smash the power limit and it's not capped to something arbitrary like 45W, but I found it weird that my 5800H laptop was taking more power. Could be differences in screen etc, but it was a bit more than I'd expect from that. Could also be silicon lottery, not sure what exactly but the results will be in the video. As for collab, I think we might be doing a stream on the 30th? Not sure on the details yet, Steve mentioned it the other week
Thanks for mentioning this. Along with the new laptop GPUs not keeping up with the power requirements of their desktop brethren, the lack of Max-Q branding, we now have Dynamic boost to contend with - makes comparing GPUs all the more difficult - you reviewers have a busy time on your hands. Also for most AAA games (Warzone, Cyberpunk, Hitman 3), I almost never see the CPU using less than 35W, mostly it's around 45-55W. So these inflated GPU scores on Time Spy are really misleading. Games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider with their fixed benchmark runs (but without RTX) are a better test now for relative performance vs 20/10-series than Firestrike/Time Spy.
I believe in an earlier video you said 1080p will bottleneck these systems. It does indeed, and I 100% agree with you - many games just don't see the benefit of Dynamic boost because of the CPU clocks down too low. Ray Tracing solves this issue in the most part, giving the GPU more work to do. Still, as you say, the laptop is very cool. MY GE66 never broke a sweat!
The more you can load the GPU the less of an issue it’ll be that’s why Nvidia released their benchmarks in 4K. It’s actually not Nvidia‘s fault, it’s because CPUs have not kept up with GPU technology.
It's just impressive how these modern laptops reached this level of performacne given the consumption to be that efficient. Tho, the limiting factor will still being the power bricks that can't provide as many power due to it's size.
Not really, there can be two power bricks if needed, the true bottleneck is simple physics. A thin and light laptop can't deal with much more heat than today's current models, and people don't seem to care for thicker chassis so that's your limiting factor
Despite dynamic boost being potentially misleading, I dig the thermals + reasonable real world performance increase. I'm just a bit worried about makers trying to pair it with a 4k display... even on a 17" I think 4k is unnecessary for most of us with average visual acuity and will probably be a hefty performance penalty.
Thank you so much for this. Saves me time from making the same video. I'll refer to this from now on. I'm doing mobile GPU comparison videos and it really became complicated lately with all the TDPs + dynamic boost. Comparing laptop GPUs became... Well... Unprecise.
4:15 - I thought you can disable dynamic boost via Nvidia control panel? also, the laptop 3070 is based on 3060 ti chip, it's not just a cut down version of the desktop 3070.
Very interesting.. It makes me wonder if we will see a bigger difference over with AMD based laptops if they can draw less power from the CPU and more reliably benefit from dynamic boost Also makes me wonder if they couldn't create power profiles triggered by specific games that can maximize performance or something.. One things for sure, reviewers are going to have their work cut out for them with how all of this stuff is going to play together.. And real world gaming reviews are always better than pure synthetic any day (though synthetics do have their uses)
Some invaluable information in this video. Limiting the CPU like that to get the most from dynamic boost is genius. Plus it would keep the CPU cooler as a result. For gaming this seems to be an amazing win. In most cases anyway. Certainly a powerful little machine.
Good video as always, Bob. I have to wonder based on other RU-vidrs like Jarrod of Jarrod's Tech and Stephen of OWNorDisown's tests if these laptops will behave differently based on manufacturer as well. When you get the opportunity to test a Ryzen cpu + mobile 30 series I wonder if it will show different results considering they're slightly less power hungry than the Intel CPUs. Also I really can't wait to see what we get from manufacturers like Eluktronics in terms of eluktroboost and stuff like that. I don't fully expect my pre-ordered Prometheus XVII to run the 3080 at 150W all the time, but hopefully Eluktronics has a trick up their sleeve that will set it apart from the others somehow. Keep up the great content man! Hope to see you, Jarrod, and Stephen become the new big tech RU-vidrs before too long!
I know they’re not able to offer Eluktroboost because of Nvidia’s Dynamic Boost. I also know you can disable Dynamic Boost on Eluktronics laptops as that was confirmed earlier today 👍
Great info! I've found it seems like tinkering around with CPU power limits, GPU and GPU memory clocks etc. seem to have a larger percentage impact on time spy than fire strike.
After the confusing caused by the new rtx3000 mobile lineup probably the best thing that it will lower the price of last gen models. Anyway great upload and keep the hard work.
I guess you can disable dynamic boost in Nvidia's control panel itself to lower the gpu to 80W without having to resort to using a CPU stress test in the background, right? Hope I'm not missing something :)
Very nice indeed. I've seen that Tongfang new Control Center in their new RTX30 laptops (be AMD or Intel, thus XMG Neo, Max-17, etc.) should be able to consistently set PL of CPU and also enable/disable Dynamic Boost at wish. I've seen a brief overview in the latest Jarrod's video of one of those laptops. How long should you get your hands on Max-17/Prometheus from Eluktronics just to give us your in depth opinions about this flexibility? Thank you in advance.
Glad you put some Apex footage in there, seems to be both very CPU and GPU dependant. I'm getting a new laptop for sure but looks like I have to wait until they all come out and are being reviewed individually. I want to run it on FHD 144 Hz but I'm not sure whether I should go for the 3060 or 3070.
New Bob logo and presentation in full effect! The top secret Powerful RTX 3070 laptop review the one latop lifers waited for by Bob of all trades, why because Bob knows laptops like no one else down to the heatsinks, thermal , core clocks, bios, build quality, display model numbers MaX Q no longer now we have Dynamic boost. Firestrike is totally confused wait you were 80watts like to a minute ago. Enthusiasts oh great now I gotta throttle my CPU on purpose to get the fullpower 95watts thanks Nvidia Dynamic boost. Still its great to see great performance and thermals on this new gen of RTX great vid Bob nice work. Im off to see a stellar review Gs66 review by Bob This is the way! #Bobofalltrades #laptoplife #gaming #tiktock #Babyoda #Thisistheway lets get that algorithm broke.
Bob I love you, you helped me so much with my now 2 yr old Omen 15 with that hot i7-8750h ;) I would love to see a review from you of the Legion 5 Pro with 3060 or 3070. i think this laptop looks too good to believe it but im kinda torn with QHD 16:10 display. Cheers M8!!
Cutting out CUDA cores is really bad, 20 series was almost on par with desktop but 30 series is just disappointing. I would suggest going for 3060 with good TDP which is almost similar to RTX 2080 max q and super max q, upgrade wouldn't be worth unless big discounts which won't happen this year. If you have money to spare of couse you can buy whatever you want!
are there any 3000 series GPU that is not affected by these new "features" that we don't want? what if we simply wish to boost everything to the max, can't have GPU suffering just because someone prefer CPU performance over GPU.
it's time for manufacturers to innovate thermal solutions instead of with this maxq , dynamic boost, ..etc garbage, thanks bob, more people should watch this.
More people should watch this but not to bash Nvidia. I actually like dynamic boost more than I don’t. But the issue will become very clear as people by their laptops based on benchmarks.
Agree, but i don't think the average consumer does that much research. Ultimately they end up dissatisfied. Specially with laptops, since there's a lot of things to consider. I do have a scar 3 with 2070 max p and liquid metal that i am satisfied with, all thanks to you buddy.
i planned to skip 3000 series when i bought my laptop that has a 1070 lol. what i want for my next laptop is enough of a stretch my current one might actually stop working when i decide to replace it lol. the screen itself is its own stretch, because I want 4k120hz and hopefully 500nit brightness, and a gpu that can run that. the next big step in power for laptops is going to rely on cooling, and the PSU. im not sure how soon but we should start seeing GaN power supplies because thats the only way they'll get smaller and more powerful (likely a 500w brick in what would otherwise be a 330w size) im sure im dreaming a little too far in the future lol, but i already have a few 100w GaN wall warts, all they gotta do is scale it up and have a laptop connection
I’m glad you liked it but it was definitely not more recognizable. The flesh color just blends in. Most people view content on their mobile phone and that was difficult for many to distinguish what it was
I feel like people with a mobile rtx 2070 super have not too much reason to crave for one with a rtx 3070, unless unkown conditions are met. Especially the values of Jarrod'sTech AMD laptops for some reason don't indicate a great jump generational jump for mobile GPUs (< 20%) at even power levels. Maybe thats because of the AMD processor? For whatever reason this time...
As always very detailed and instructive video, I admire your work keep it up, I hope you can review the dash 15 I would like your professional opinion, be blessed Bob
Can you guys tell me the name of that fps tool on the top left of the screen? I see a lot of youtubers use that tool and I also want to check my computers health.
You can use the IMON tweak to trick the CPU that its running on lower wattage using the MSI hidden bios. Im pretty sure this will work so you can boost the TDP of the GPU to 95w without limiting the wattage of the CPU. I did this to my old MSI GS65 im pretty sure it will work
thanks for the review. I'd like to see the successor NH55 with AMD desktop cpu where CPU is rumoured to be 85-95W -unlike last year which 3950x was locked up to 65W- this 2021 generation and rtx3070 with 150W which now dynamic boost can in addition to higher clocks of sth like 5900x/5600x + high wattage, gives user a fantastic performance jump compared to others and even the last gen 3rd gen+rtx2070 115W.
Hopefully we’ll see that. Clevo can be a little behind for stuff like this. Ryzen 3k desktop was out for a long time before they made their laptop. The X170 came out recently with 2k Nvidia and now here we are with 3k series in laptops.
@@BobOfAllTrades it came late in usa..in china/TW, it came at Q1..i'm not sure why there was delay there; probably because of covid plus usa-china tension. both N970 successor with i9 11900(or 11900T/11700)+rtx3070 and nh55(plastic)/nh58(metal) successor with rtx3070, if released with lower price as before compared to others, it would be a very great deal(for money) for many who wants ultimate gaming performance with 1500$ in their pocket;specially if we consider the desktop pc with current rtx3060 price and equivalent hardwares(monitors+...) will be close to that 1500$ if assembled.
Bob, i want to ask to you something i noticed. I think those 3070 arebottlenecked from integrated gpu bus (like happened before). I see many tests in those hours and noticed that many many times they are just inconsistent for 3070 maxP, that sometimes goes on par with old 2070 super maxP (10-15 fps only in the average games, totally strange cause that gpu should push 30-35 fps more at least)or in the best case as an 2080 laptop. That cannot depend at all from tdp, cause i noticed that frequencies are very very high when use is at 100% (much higher than 2xxx actually). There's a quick test all of you can do... is just to retry the benchs and games on hdmi output, cause on hdmi nvidia should drive the display bypassing the integrated gpu bus (or even bettr use the mux if they have it). Something is really broken this time. If via hdmi results are the same, the only thing is that something is really screwed or drivers are totally immature.
@@BobOfAllTrades at this point i really cant explain to me why the improvement from 2xxx is so low. For sure tdp will have a big play here, but even compared to 2070s that have same 220w on desktop like 3070 just not scale as it should. What a mess... I even see many 3080 performa in 2080 maxq territory. A disaster. Seems like 3060 will be the only gpu to choose on new gen laptops. I have really a big curiosity to compare fps of that card with 3070 3080 and 2070s
@@BobOfAllTrades yeah i already see that... but still i continue to think that's something is really wrong on 3xxx series. Nvidia had to rethink the next gen 4xxx graphics to match lower tdp even on desktops at least to go on par with the best efficiency generation that still was pascal 1xxx. on that gen desk vs lap was under 10% difference, just a couple of fps less. turing amplify that gap but still remains solid on maxP, but now with 3xxx they destroyed everything pushing us back to 800-900 series epoca when laptop gpu's was not even the same in terms of cores (i had a 950m that was a 750 ti, and not the real 950 desktop). From my perspective this is the big regression ever in terms of laptop potential. I hope in amd to this point because rx desktop this time was lower tdp than nvidia, so maybe on laptops they will give great specs...
Oh boy I wanted to get my hands on one of these new laptops but guess I will wait to have a better idea of they work out. Also interested to see if there are any Radeon equipped laptops and how they fare against the nvidia ones, as on the desktop side at least they tend to draw less power for similar performance, but we'll see
No. There will be no Radeon gpu's coming out from amd. Cuz they learned their lesson with the last ones. They ran WAY TOO HOW for the sake of running way too hot. And cuz of that fact... They didn't want the headache to try and convince OEM manufacturers that this is something they should sell. Then on top of that they updated it and IT LOST gaming performance!!! So no no more AMD laptop gpu's! (this is just MY opinion only)
Really cant wait for the 3080 150W+ in a desktop replacement with the 5980HX or a 5900X if possible....any info on when or if we'll see the 30 series in a beefy clevo like machine? Thanks!
Considering Clevo and their X170 only came out a few months ago, I don’t know if they’re going to be late to the party on this one as well. Since those are MXM GPUs, perhaps we’ll get to drop in a 200w 3080 🤷
All of these make me wonder if it’s best to go for a 4K display maxing the gpu and getting better fidelity since the cpu is rarely able to max out 144hz screens let alone the new 165,240,300 hz screens with 1080p screens
I talked about that in the video I think back in September. I think that resolution is too high for laptops and you’re essentially just hitting the reset button on your frame right.
Will using an amd processor give more headroom for dynamic boost? And dynamic boost is talked as if it knows when to kick in but for battlefield it didn't even do it you had to limit it manually to get better performance.
In this case, it would be interesting to see how the flow x13 performes because it has an external 150W 3080 GPU! Maybe that's the best solution for this problem?
I think they’re external GPU enclosure might be more based off of a desktop design and if that’s the case, I don’t think dynamic Boost is a feature. But I don’t follow the desktop market as close so I could be out of my element here.
I won’t be able to give you an honest answer until I get my hands on these for testing. I watched a video last night of the 5800HX running cinebench hitting 80w.
It’s too early to tell since I’ve only have one 3000 series laptop so far. Eluktronics has stated that you can disable Dynamic Boost on their new laptops in their software. But that only removes the highest possible Boost. Check out 4:12
I'm looking at a new area 51m R2 with a 10700K and 2070 super. Seems like I'll hang with or beat most 3070 laptops. Should I take thr plunge on a great deal for it or just settle for a 3070 notebook, which nay include waiting forever for DTR to have them
I really want to like the 51M Laptops but I’ve got trust issues with Dell on all of their laptops and that’s just not through my own experience either. I want the best from those AW machines. Maybe they corrected everything wrong with the R1. How much is that spec you’re interested in?
@@BobOfAllTrades it has the 2070 super max p, which has hit over 10k graphics in timespy in these units, 10700K, 300hz 1080p panel, 16GB DDR4 3200, 1TB nvme for 2500 right now. R2 did fix the burnout issues from the R1 and added a new Vapor chamber cooling system
I’d say it’s priced about right to make it compelling. You’ll probably find some 8 core 3070 laptops for less and get similar performance. While the AW machines can be upgraded, how available are GPUs for those?
@@BobOfAllTrades Dell sells the kits for 2070 and 2080 super upgrades. I figure this is still better than the current 3070 laptops because having that desktop 10700K with more wattage and overclockable should help. I've played with a 51m R2 and tool it to 5.2ghz all core with a -100mv undervolt. It wasn't ideal for CPU stress tests but played all games stable with Temps staying below 85C
I spoke with their CEO and once they have inventory to sell to customers, they will send me a unit for review. We ran into an issue last year I was reviewing their products and they couldn’t sell what they didn’t have.
@@BobOfAllTrades oh Have they not come out yet? I was under impression they had come out already, Thanks. Also, would it be worth it to wait for 11th gen 8 core Intel CPU to buy a laptop?
I look forward to testing. Gismosliptech has that CPU in the G17 and he ran CB20. It pulled around 80w if I recall correctly. Max fan with temps around 67°C and that chassis has Liquid Metal on the CPU. Just just based on that I anticipate similar results 🤷
@@BobOfAllTrades yes i am still struggeling with thermals on my laptop cpu, even if i repasted the laptop with kryonaut and cleaned the fan, and made the laptop higher under for more air flow, i7-10750h, 1 core is always 10c hotter then the rest. So the 1 core is always hitting 95c when the rest are in the 80. Cpu core 3800mhz. I have repasted over and over again. I have the predator 500 triton. I am hitting thermal throttling on 1 core in hwinfo64. Gpu temps are in the low 70-73c :) its a thin laptop ofc but theese temps are makeing me wanna buy a new one. I think i have become a pc temp freak 🙈
3:35 did you compare these by accident? Your showing two completely different benchmark graphic scores to make your point that a desktop variant is much more powerful than its mobile counterpart. Which is true of course, however showing these two totally *different* benchmarks just doesnt make sense. Of course a "Firestrike" graphic score is gonna beat a "Time Spy" one bc thats how the results *Always* end up anyways when comparing both test, Firestrike Graphic always yields a higher score than Time Spy graphic(no matter what card you use). I mean your comparing a Firestrike Graphic score to a Time Spy graphic score, which makes no sense, your comparing two completely different benchmarks lol. Its like comparing apples to oranges at that example. It would have been smarter to show the benchmarking scores from just one benchmark test like FireStrike for both gpu's, instead of comparing two completely different benchmarks to prove a point. Do a benchmark and show the "Firestrike Graphic score" for a mobile 3070 to compare to that 31,691 Desktop 3070 score. I can guarantee the result/number would be alot higher than the 11,834 Time Spy Graphic score your idk why comparing to a Desktop 3070 Firestrike Graphic score(which already yields much higher scores by default).
@@BobOfAllTrades Oh maybe i heard you word it wrong in my head Bob, it sounded like you were trying to compare both as if they were the same benchmarks. sorry
So basically Nvidia dropped the MAX-Q moniker cuz they created DYNAMIC BOOST and slapped on the DLSS onto it for good measure?! HELL, I APPROVE OF THAT MESSAGE!!!
@@BobOfAllTrades it really helps to focus on technical and visual details in your reviews. Wonder what studio lights works for you that minimize glare and show true colors.
You got to refresh the webpages of the electronics stores every hour cause they appear and go out of stock fast. In US and Canada RTX3000 laptops have already started appearing on Best Buy and Amazon for preorder
To me it looks like a bad generations of gpu's... it's clear that desktop have too high tdp and laptop this time can only suffers on higher models, capping tdp in maxq is even worse. But giving basically 10 fps more than a 2070s of max 17 in the same thickness is bad for a generational leap. At this point have much more sense just to buy 3060 that have pretty much same performance and take back those 500-600 dollars/euros. This thing anyway let me happy having a 2070s 115w, basically it have same performance of that thing in full boost (23000 points to FS with 100mhz of oc). In the end i will be able to play ultra 1080-1440p for at least this 3xxx generation of laptops... What a shame, this time they even limited numbers of cores, they never did it since pascal on laptops... it's clear that desktop gpu need to lower they tdp again, time to a new architecture.
@@BobOfAllTrades I am considering to buy GS75 with 10875h and 2070Super MaxQ or Eluktronics MAX17 with 10875h 3070 MAX-p. I am leaning to msi due to bottleneck and high temperature issues may comes from 3070maxp what is your idea
