Every other reviewer: This card is unnecessary, i don't wanna do a review. Here are som random charts. Digital Foundry: Stays professional and delivers a proper review.
@@nossy232323 i would say this is most professional channel because of their testing background compared to IT troubleshooting boys youtuber man-childs following the hate trend...
In Australia they’re releasing the new cards at a premium price instead of keeping the price of the non super cards. We get ripped off big time over here.
I'm still halfway convinced there's some conspiracy to make the PC GPU market become progressively worse just before the new consoles launch so that Sony and Microsoft can say "Our $500 console is as good as a $1,000 GPU!" Of course Nvidia wouldn't directly benefit from making consoles look good, but maybe they just don't care when they get to sell a $1,000 GPU as a standard consumer product.
@@budthecyborg4575I'm expecting AMD to hold back on their high end GPU until console specs are confirmed. They're in a really great position with both consoles using Navi.
This is the only professional review of the 2080 SUPER. All the other so-called reviewers just mocked Nvidia and this GPU just for the sake of it or because it's supposed to be funny or something. Even GamersNexus who usually don't fall for that sort of thing dropped the ball with this one. Thanks for the proper professional review, no matter how pointless it feels.
It`s not that weak after heavy OC TWEAK :D yup agree, I have gifted 2080super overclocked it beyond standard overclock, now close to 13k gpu score in 3d mark time spy, quite close to stock 2080ti ;)))
@@madfinntech If you can't hit 60 then drop some settings like a normal person. There are no prizes for running everything maxed out. Don't justify Nvidia's atrocious pricing.
@@Ninja_Champagne =b people do realize there is more to Nvidia cards then just it's power dedicated to gaming performance and Ray Tracing. But it's additional features are pointless to does who either don't play at 4k or have use to upscale the resolution to 1440p or 4k while playing at 1080p or 1440p or stream/record from a single computer. Once applying these processes on top of playing the average fps gap increases. o3o it's why they should make a 1180 and 1180ti for those who don't care for those features, that way they can sell similar performance cards for even cheaper.
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@@DizzyKrissi You still wrong as it's actually 10% more fore 100 buck less and if you compared to the 2070 Super, well, this kind of product segmentation is common in the industry and AMD isn't stranger to this with the last example being anniversary editions and non X (like Ryzen 1700X to 1700) CPUs
jenesuispasbavard Actually it was only shortly before the 1080 Ti launch that the 1080 dropped to $500. The 1080 at its launch was (at least for the FE card) $700 US, though I think AIB blower cards launched at $600, with the dual fan designs being close to the FE card and triple fan, large heatsink designs being slightly more expensive than the FE card.
I was ready for RTX. Say what you say but ray tracing is brilliant and the QoL improvements on the card are great but as I have a 1080ti, the only big jump would be the 2080ti and I'm struggling to justify it. I'll hold out until next year.
@UHD Gaming PC You do understand tho that they don't have a navi based gpu against the 2080? And you do understand that right now the 5700 and 5700 xt are amazing value against the 2060s and 2070s which they are running against? Because if you don't, you must be blind. And also, Dogsbark wasn't talking about amd at all, he just said that the progress nvidia has made in performance to price ratio has been kinda bad, which indeed is a fact. Amd isn't competing against the 2080/1080ti/2080s directly either, and you sound like a fanboy immediately which honestly is making the market suffer. Why am I waisting time, have a good day.
I will never buy another Nvidia product, and it certainly helps that I'm almost wholly opposed to the adoption of Ray Tracing on this generation of products. I would have forked out a ton of money for a GTX2080Ti, instead I'm sitting on Vega 64 and waiting for Big Navi. I might get two of those just for lols.
@UHD Gaming PC You make me laugh, believe me I have watched benchmarks. Maybe watch hardware unboxed good quality video about the 5700 series cards? The title might scare you tho :( And also just so you know, I've owned several products from nvidia, and amd too. Now I'm looking for an new build and I haven't decided between the 5700xt, 2070s and 2080s watercooled. Although I'm not looking fro advice from you, you'd say probably that the 2080s is amazing value and a gift from the gods :)
16:45 "To do so may effectively make the 2080S too powerful for it's price point" The 2080Ti should cost $800, even then it would only be in the middle of the pack for value. The 2080 Super could have made some ground in returning sanity to the high end Nvidia stack but instead the 2080S is just a dud (especially at $700, they need to cut at least $50 off).
This is why i wont upgrade my PC anymore. You have for full HD fair prices but when you go to 4k the prices are just out of control. I will buy a ps5 and wont upgrade my PC anymore. The PC Hardware manufacturer are killing the market by themselfs.
@@postscriptum8142 Back in 2004 i've build my first own "Premium" PC and payed less. I build a "Premium"PC for a friend in 2011 and it was also much cheaper.
@@92OpiumTR and how does that have anything to do with this here? The better the tech, the more expensive, that's not hard to comprehend. Games are more expensive to make than ever before too.
AMD had to dump all their R&D budget into Ryzen just to stay alive. Now that they're actually making money they can actually fund GPU development. Navi 20 coming early next year might be pretty good since it's supposed to be fully rdna, rather than the sort of half step between gcn and rdna that Navi 10 is.
@@Lead_Foot navi is great already. They pretty much just need to release a "bigger" version to rival the 2080. 5700xt only uses 40CU if i'm not mistaken. Imagine a version wit 56CU
How so? It's much cheaper than the regular cards at a slightly more performance increase and puts the pricing on par with AMD, but absolutely shits on the AMD cards. So better price for performance. It's super cheap (though considering the 20-series cards are super expensive).
I will be getting this card 2020 summer once ive saved up enough to build my pc all at once. Idc what any of the trolls say because they already have a 2080 or 1080ti when it first came out. For me this should last me 5-6 years before i feel need to change out. Plus its same price as the 2080.
Imagine if they'd just sold the RTX cards at the RRP they advertised instead of massively overpricing with $100 markup on their own store that caused all 3rd party to markup another $100 over that
J Martin I still find it amazing that the $1100-1200 2080ti can’t manage 60fps at 1080p In the modded quake 2. Cards are way overpriced. By at least $200 at nearly each level.
@@josephhooks1292 if you are refering to the test in this video, the settings used were not normal, please go back and listen again....these cards can do Quake 2 raytraced at more than 60fps, Richard changed the settings to make it more Raytrace bound. I knew there would be a few people who wouldn't listen and use their brains...... sigh...
choatus it can’t max the game out which is what I meant at 60fps. Sure if you lower the settings it can. How about use your brain and understand what people mean. Also it’s a more than 20 year old game with path tracing. A $1200 card can’t run a 20 year old game with path tracing at a decent framerate, high settings and a higher than 1080p resolution. It’s ridiculous.
I mean what do you expect? Nvidia have these dies and they just chop them up how they please and box them into their segments based on whatever they can get away with. They're not going to put TU102 OR 100 in their xx80 card. Any faster than this and they'll cannibalise their Ti sales. If the competition cards were competitive you'd still get something we already have anyway and the 2080 Ti would probably be sold as the 2080. It's all just marketing. The full Turing die is the performance ceiling and you'll get a % of that at whatever price according to the market conditions at the time.
Ray tracing is a massive meme. I got a 1660 ti and that will easily tide me over until 3000 or even 4000 depending on how next gen consoles come into play.
@@webbie7503 That's the problem. Nvidia really have no competition from AMD. Especially in the enthusiast GPU market. Nvidia knows this and it's why they are pricing shit the way they price it and it's a slimmer margin it seems each time in terms of performance from one gen to the next gen of GPUs from Nvidia. I went from the GTX 1080 to the RTX 2080 but I got a decent deal on mine.
I'm not a PC gamer. But honestly, do you really _need_ the newest GPU? I doubt it. Isn't it enough with the second newest GPU since when the newest one comes out, previous ones will go down in price and you still get nearly the same performance, right?
Depends on what your monitor is. If you play at 4K or want 1440p at high framerate, you need a great GPU for new and upcoming games. 1080p at high frames is much more palatable
You don't need the highest end GPU at all, dude. I play on a 1070 and can still max games out at over 100fps, close to 144fps most of the time. If you're an enthusiast that wants to play at 4k with good frame rates, then I'd go and pick up a used 1080ti for a really good deal. Don't mess with these RTX cards, my dude.
For the amd team I would indicate today the RX Vega 56 and RX 5700 XT, for the Nvidia team would indicate the 1660Ti and the RTX 2070 Super. This is my opinion on the best cost per frame I've found on both sides.
A big diappointment. I somehow truly expected more VRAM - my biggest complain about the original 2080. Instead we get again a major boost in TDP. How's that even possible? 35W for just over 100 more CUDA cores, a 100Mhz boost and a little bit more bandwith? Someone told me that today's graphics solutions don't need as much power anymore. Dealing with today's cards for the past two years, the opposite seems the case.
If the whole line was shifted down a step 2080 ti was the 2080, the 2080 was the 2070. Then this generation would have been far more competitive than its current line up.
They were almost seems going for that with the 2060s and 2070s. BUT nvidia decided not to do so with the 2080s which makes it the weakest link of the super line :V
20% of the card is Tensor and Ray Tracing but the 2080s still performs as well as a 1080ti for the same price. Turn on RTX and the 2080 super wins no contest.
Any chance you’ll start including widescreen 1440p benchmarks in the future? 3440x1440 is becoming more common and it’s difficult to translate 16:9 results to real world 21:9 performance. Other than that, another excellent overview!
How many revisions nVidia will make before 2080 Super will be worth it's title? I guess they don't want to compete against their own 2080Ti, but seriously was there a point to make Super version of GPUs?
Another excellent video - thx. Leaves me in a tough spot with wanting to upgrade my 1080gtx though. Can’t bring myself to spend $1200 on a video card and I’m seeing prices of $739-$760 for 2080S card.
@@kamikazilucas 10% is literally 10% and I got my 1080ti strix oc for 789€ and my new Gygabite aorus 2080 super for 680€ so I don't see the problem here
So the 2080 Ti still regularly drops below 60fps at 4K. This would be forgiveable if they didn't charge £1200 for it. All the more reason to stick with my 1080 SLI, which does not drop below 60fps. I wish you'd included the 1080 Ti in these benchmarks. You say it's an improvement, but I'm not seeing much difference between the 1080 Ti, 2080 and 2080 Super.
Super enough to save the extra cost of the TI and settle with it. If its overclocked. 1200 is a lot for a card. I know I am a picky person too. I would constantly be tweaking settings to get that sweat spot in resolution and quality (Rtx aside). I would only settle cause of the price, but would only really be truly happy with a TI.
ti > S Many of our customers erroneously believe 1080ti is faster than a 2080s because 2080s sounds cut down. 2080ti would make more sense. They end up opting for 5700 or 5700XT anyway. We OC them as part of the build cost just like their second gen 2600/2700 chips. Once we show them how comparable 2600 OC is to 8700k and 5700XT OC is to 2080 the decision is easy.
Thanks for all your wonderful content! I was considering upgrading to the 2080 Super mainly due to getting a 4k monitor. I really liked the framerates you were getting with the 2080 super overclocked. I never overclocked a video card before due to me worrying that it would potentially break the card. Do you feel this card can be comfortably overclocked to the settings that you did without it breaking from 1-4 hours of use per gaming session? If so how would I learn more about overclocking the card while still being as safe as possible with it? Thanks for taking the time to discuss this =)
If these new 'Super' graphics cards struggle to run some games at 4K 60 fps then how in the hell are the PS5 and Xbox Two gonna run games at 4K 60 and be affordable systems?
CAHAN they will use amd new sharpening tech on 1800p and it will look the same as 4k. So it will render 70% of 4k resolution. It will have updated cpu cores that were limiting the 60 fps on on the current consoles.
Remember how the 1080Ti has 11GB RAM and now only the 2080Ti at $1,000 can match that spec? As usual Nvidia is strangling high end gaming performance on their lower tiers and reserving a proper 4K pipeline for only the top end card. Sony and Microsoft have full control of the graphics architecture, AND on top of that they write the API. Note how Xbox X can hit Native 4K in a decent number of games that only hit 1440p on PS4 Pro? Same deal. With both the hardware and software designed for 4K output next gen consoles will make quick work of higher resolutions because of a lack of artificial bottlenecks.
I have a rtx 2070 Duke and just purchased a used 2080 super ftw3 ultra changed the thermal paste and overclocked it and wow the performance is crazy but I would not have paid full price and can’t suggest any other 2080 super the ftw3 ultra is a premium top of the line card and after this experience I will most likely only buy ftw3 cards.
Needs a 50 to 75 USD Price cut. Great Review,thanks. edit 14:28 IF,nVIDIA want to really make DXR a standard thats widely used,they better increase the amount of RT Cores on what's next (7nm Ampere from Samsung foundry?) allot,from the 3060 to 3080Ti! Going from 44 RT Cores on RTX 2080,to 48 on RTX 2080Super ,isn't super at all :( A 4-9%~ performance increase in DXR performance, is laughable.
Already watched this on Patreon but still coming here to appreciate the professional tone and the usual thorough benchmarks. Everybody else just went on a rant about this card. We get it; it's cool to hate on NVIDIA now and it's what generates the most clicks. But going forward I think I'd rather wait a few more days and just watch the Digital Foundry videos of new hardware than giving any further views to these charlatans.
These cards never made sense in nvidias product stack in the first place. The gaps between 2060, 2070 and 2080 were just large enough to justify their pricing differences. the space between the 2070 and 2080 is so small you can OC a 2070 to 2080 stock performance in many cases.
Why do you keep the cpu at 3400MHZ? Especially , like you mentioned, the frame rate limits on some of the benchmarks are CPU bound. The 8700K is capable of 4700MHZ easily and can even get 5GHZ. Is there something I’m missing?
Similar, I got the Gigabyte 2080 Super Gaming OC last week, to pair with a 3800X. I play at 1600P / 16:10 and it's a huge leap from the 980Ti's(SLI) it replaced. 2 generation leaps is where you see a difference, same generation iterations, you don't, and nor are they always leaps going one gen to the next.
I think a lot of people are looking at this card as if it is Nvidia's flagship card and comparing it to a 1080ti, when this card would be an upgrade for a regular 1080. I'm not sure why anyone would even consider switching from an 11gig flagship card to an 8gig non flagship. The RTX2080ti is overpriced, but this card is not meant for 1080ti owners. That being said, in the context of the new cards, there should have been a bigger difference between the 2080S and 2070S.
They were testing on an 8700K for some bizarre reason when other channels use the 9900K to remove the CPU bottleneck to ACTUALLY show what the GPUs can do. Seems an odd choice considering anyone going for a high-end GPU is likely also on a high-end CPU.
the right thing to do after 2060s and 2070s would have been cut the price of 2080ti of a couple hundreds dollars and make it 2080s, with the regular ti being sold at the same price but with some more ram.they would have banged the market ad created so much customer trust and satisfaction instead of losing more and more ground to amd.
Yeah but 2080ti is $550 more than the 2080S for 15-20% performance too... at 4k60 with anti-aliasing off or 1440p with full ray-tracing I'll take the 2080S all day
16:39 There is not a big enough sigh in the world. "... make the 2080 S *too* powerful for it's price point..." It's still far *too* expensive for it's performance in the first place. There is no 'wow factor' in the Turing line other than the price points. My $375 GTX 970 Gaming G1 with an overclock could beat the GTX 780Ti...
Finally someone uploaded a video. I'm subbed to 200 people and my subbox has been empty for the past 12 hours. RU-vid is getting realllllllyyyyyyyyyyy SAD
I’m happy with my 1080 ti,play all my games in 4k the vast majority at 60fps see no need to get any of these overpriced cards,may even skip the next series if it’s as small a step again for a huge stack of cash.
something really seems off probably the worst gpu upgrades with the most ridiculous prices I’ve ever seen I don’t have a gaming rig at all atm and I refuse to build a pc because of prices now I have built over 5 for myself and bought over 10 graphic cards in the last 20 years first time I’ve went to console instead WAY WAY WAY cheaper.
If you check out game benchmarks at 1440p the 2080 and the 2080 ti are so close, it's not worth spending another £400/ $400 on the 2080 ti for a few fps.... but RTX ray tracing is such a mess at the moment.Even ignoring the huge performance impact it has, it cannot distinguish between characters and objects or walls, it just adds highlights then blankets everything in shadow.... hiding all the details I want to see from an expensive gpu. There's a video showing rtx on vs off and in the video it shows the game "Control" and the womans face close up.... RTX off you see lines, freckles and individual hairs on her eyebrows.... RTX on... you see a grey shadowed face with a few shiny reflections from her nose and chin (I'm surprised nobody has reproduced that by changing contrast, brightness and saturation on their monitor :) ). RTX may (or may not) go on to be massive, but then other versions of ray tracing may prove more popular, depending on pricing and how well implemented it... (it must get better than the present version... I hope). If I could buy a new gpu with an rtx 2080 super performance without the rtx ability I would, but at present, none exist so I will plod on with my gtx 1070 and hope either AMD bring out a Rx 5800 xt/ 5900 xt soon or ampere comes with better performance so the replacement for the fastest non rtx card (GTX 1660 ti???) will match the 2080 s or... rtx gets better.
I'm 11 minutes in and I have to ask: what is a power band? This doesn't sound like an industry standard term. It makes sense for combustion engines. There is no intuitive parallel here. Can you not use non-standard non-intuitive terms as an essential comparison point in every round of tests?
The supers are just what the rtx series should of been when it released.. I thought the founders editions was supposed to be the better than the non founder reference ones? Remember that old trick from when was it the gtx10 series? Even with performance being decent in games its not really a good value they are over priced. Your getting like last gen performance at last gen pricing.. Usually its equal or slightly more for a bit less now its like cool even low end gpus are seeing up around what £399 £400? How long is it going to be until your paying 300+ for an x50 non ti graphics card?
4K60 in all games is still off the table even with RTX 2080Ti *WITHOUT USING RAYTRACING* and yet PC gamers keep talking about them visuals which often are just ever so slightly visually better than what we see on consoles. This is still a sticking point for me in the PC vs Enhanced Console arguments. 1440p60 or 4K30 even on the best single GPU desktops. Even then 1080p might be a more achievable goal. For example my laptop running at max power (plugged into the wall) using GTX 1070 doesn't run Crysis 3 at a locked 60fps at 1080p but I also max out MSAA (as it is a graphical enhancement). Max graphics is technically off the table if AA isn't maxed out too. DF doesn't typically mention whether or not AA strength is also maxed out not doing so should mentioned in all benchmarks.
@@alexatkin It's kind of funny I'm playing games on my cellphone and I chose 30FPS (using Game Launcher) to improve battery life even when playing twitch games like Sine Mora and Sky Force. My phone plays these games at 60FPS but I locked it to 30 which improved battery life dramatically. I have been played Sky Force for over 6 hours since last charging my phone this morning... According to my phone.
