Me thinks Efren deserves more than casual praise and talk why not push through with the planned EFREN REYES CUP ASIA VS EUROPE VS US. that would truly immortalize the name behind the legend.
I went from playing competitive snooker to bar pool. And there is a big difference. Especially way back when they used a bigger diameter cue ball so it would go to the cue ball return. Just like Ronnie said you have to think backwards. From 8 ball to your 1st ball
Exactly.I switch to snooker and it was so much easier that what i was hearing all those years.Easier than 9-ball,8-ball or 10-ball.The only big difference is the Focus requirement on easy shots....and the patience when you are playing a Peter Ebdon styled of 3 minutes a bad shot.
@@stocksyere not for a beginner gotta give you that but once you know how to stroke like Earl The Pearl snooker is an easier game to play compares to 9-ball and all its ambiguity and what not.Snooker is pretty straight forward and as we can see once a Pro get hold of the table a lot of cleareance comes into play during a match.Table is bigger easier to navigate than a 9x4 where you have to pot them in order...snooker you got all the choice you want not in 9-ball....anyway snooker is easier to play
@@mikescorpio13 What you on about??? What's your highest break, Mr snooker is easy??? ANY pool player EVER transitioned into snooker, just to try if he could do it???
@@hurataimad136 i explained it clearly,played pool for 40 years for the fun of it and some tournaments.Could beat a pro on a good day but could also be beaten by amateur on a bad day.Playing 3 hours a week is not the best way but hey most of us have a job and responsabilities.Played snooker for 4 years took me about 2 weeks to understand and adjust to the subtleties of snooker table.And still with 2 hours practice a week i could compete with pros on good days but losing to amateur on bad days.Starting from scratch snoker is harder but once you know how to shoot balls and navigate a table snooker is easier.How did it go for Gary Wilson,Judd Trump,Jack Lisowski when they tried 9-ball.Following your logic they should have beat any 9-ball player since they are Snooker champions.... Snooker is easier like it or not but mainly its boring like chess.
I always thought snooker was a much harder game. While in the Navy, I worked part time nights cooking at the under 21 club where they had 4 pool tables and 2 snooker tables. When I was not busy, it was free for me to practice pool. I love the game, but usually the pool tables were busy. So I would play snooker, or try to anyway. What it did for me was sharpen up my aiming. I would go out in town later and clean up on the bar tables. Won a lot of Saturday evening pool tournaments like that.
@EQSun Hitou do you copy and paste this in every thread? You don’t understand snooker, creativity is equally there it’s just visually different. The only restriction is jump shots but I don’t believe they’re permitted in competition anyway. Snooker master has more skill than a pool master. Efren is the best in history agreed but only because Ronnie and others chose snooker.
@@shufflebyzuri7631 beat Ronnie at snooker. Not “in” snooker you Dunder head Ronnie was 14yo in a foreign country, and gave Efren 25 pts and Efren took one singular frame, he never won an actual match against him. Now everyone in the Philippines attack me for putting context around that terrible win you all celebrate! Hilarious.
Great pool players say efren is one of the greatest and snooker great players say efren can play great in snooker and pool. You guys debating have to live with it. Lets just enjoy watching these legends play.
@@killah7832 yes he’s a genius at pool,but he’s not that good at snooker,you can watch him play snooker on RU-vid and you will see. But at pool he’s the GOAT
@@davidmellish3295 if you are talking about the YT vid efren playing the blonde guy and that is your basis of saying that,. efren is already old in that vid and he is eating while playing.😊 Efren said hes high run was 132. I dont know if that is good enough.
Snooker is harder for sure but just because pool is easier doesn't make it easy. Like you can pocket the ball better but so does your opponent. Winning would just be as tough. The transition is the only difference. A snooker player would be able to compete in far less time while a pool player might take years to transition unless your name is Efren Reyes who can just simply play any game.
i would even play with a broomstick ffs like back in the 80s...both games are easy if you have a lot of time to dedicate to it.If you are a casual player of course 9-ball is easier but for an almost Pro level player playing snooker is not that hard just requires more focus on easy shots.
But because the basic of pool is easier, the standards for positional play are much higher and it self corrects. I'm not saying which has more skilled players, but just because the table is easier doesn't necessarily mean it's easier to beat your opponent.
@@aaroningl Nope but he's decent with it. Unlike Snooker players, Billiards players will have a harder time transitioning to snooker as it is the harder sport. Reyes would have need to dedicate a long time to be a top snooker player. That being said, he did hustled a young Ronnie one time and has competed in southeast asian games.
@@arisart22 I believe Reyes is an exception since he is a savant and is not merely limited to accumulating knowledge on billiards. the young Reyes from what I have heard was a pocket maestro but his cue ball control was godly. that is why he was able to dominant the sport of billiards. although I agree that a typical billiards player might take a while to be a top snooker player.
@@TONYCOV881 Thanks. I remember the story going around at the time that this is why Hendry could never play at the level he once did. I also remember watching Hendry, never thinking his accomplishments could be surpassed. It's an American thing to think of people as, "the greatest." Kim Kardashian is the greatest at something but she does nothing for me. On the other hand, Stephen Hendry and Ronnie O'Sullivan are both people I respect and value immensely. Kudos to both men for being brilliant at their craft.
That's one big difference with Snooker and pool is that you have to go in an order at most US pool types, but with snooker, take any red and then any color as your next shot. Sure you get more points depending on which color ball you hit, but the table is open and yours to choose from. In US pool types however, there are many games where you must get a very particular position to hit your next ball.
@@mikescorpio13 snooker is MUCH HARDER because of the tables NOT because of the game. A pool table is MUCH EASIER to play on,the pockets can except the balls a lot easier,you can fit two pool balls in the pockets but in snooker only one and half balls fit in the pockets and you can cheat the pockets in pool .It’s 12ft by 6ft so 72 square ft whereas a pool table is 9ft by 4.5 ft so 40.5 square ft of playing space. The balls can hit the rails and still go in on a pool table but not in snooker and a pool table has diamond markers on it,helping the players with bank shots etc The games are totally different and I agree that a lot of snooker fans don’t realise or appreciate how good the pool players are,but talking about it from purely the difficulty of the table then snooker tables are definitely harder. Only someone that has never played on a full size snooker table doesn’t realise this
@@mikescorpio13 of course it makes them harder,potting a 12 ft pot into small pockets is harder than a 9 ft pot into bigger pockets. How can you say they are not harder,you have OBVIOUSLY NEVER played on one to say that. I love pool and snooker and they are different games but I still know that a snooker table is a lot harder to play on. Just like when you watch Steve Mizerack play Davis at snooker,he says how much harder a snooker table is, yes you can still pot on it but it’s 1000000000% more difficult than a pool table
Any serious room here is going to have pockets well under 4” and the majority of the better players will play one pocket, and it’s truly an apples to oranges comparison. Nothing but respect to O’Sullivan, his game is beautiful to watch (even as a pool player), and yes, 9 ball (or for that matter 8-ball, even tho that’s a league/pub game, not really for better players very often) is too easy for all of us here who play (or have played) for a living (and most legit good amateurs), but one pocket is a totally different thing. If any snooker pros think it’s easy they could practice up and get action from hundreds of us no-names the same as we would get killed trying to play snooker lol. American audiences have no patience for real games, hence the rise of quick and easy 9-ball on television. Really killed pocket billiards, I’m really glad to see cue sports still earn a good living somewhere at least, would love to see a match at the crucible before I die. Perhaps combine with St Andrews for the Open on a trip. Anyways, respectfully from across the pond... a washed up pool player.
Playing 8 ball. On a very short table. Occasionally. That game on a bar box is intentionally made to be much easier. The problem is many of the best pool games require putting balls back in play so they don't work on coin op. And obviously pub/bar owners care about space so you get basically a toy table. You can play pool for 50 years and never go 150 and out in straight. That's a more apt comparison but that discipline is no longer very popular for tv. Comparing the easiest game of baby pool with adult size snooker is a little pointless.
No wonder Steve Davis,a snooker legend and 6 time world snooker champion... Lost to Efren Reyes in a game of pool... and never become world champion in billiards.. meanwhile..Efren who never played snooker his entire life because there was no snooker game in his home country defeated Sullivan in a money game of snooker..where Sullivan had dedicated his entire life in the game.
I remember the story going around at the time that this is why Hendry could never play at the level he once did. I also remember watching Hendry, never thinking his accomplishments could be surpassed. It's an American thing to think of people as, "the greatest." Kim Kardashian is the greatest at something but she does nothing for me. On the other hand, Stephen Hendry and Ronnie O'Sullivan are both people I respect and value immensely. Kudos to both men for being brilliant at their craft.
@@mikescorpio13 Mark Selby has literally won the World 8-ball Championship lmao. No pool player has ever transitioned to snooker and done even remotely well... The only one that comes to mind is Melling, who only once got past the FIRST ROUND of a ranking event, and even then went out in the second. Numerous snooker players have recorded reasonable success at pool, but there is just no where near the money for a snooker player with any talent to even consider switching. Unless you are trolling, you cannot have ever played snooker and still believe it is easier... if so, I promise you you couldn't make a 20 break, even if you are an accomplished pool player. An accomplished snooker player, however, could easily do quite well in pool with very little further practice.
In the pool getting position soo much harder than snooker table is small yeah shots more easy but more ball and big balls and narrow place always you cant turn from other cushions
Im not great at snooker but i enjoyed playing it for many years. I remember one time i played 8 ball pool and i cleared my balls from the break without my friend taking a single shot
People saying that snooker is obviously harder than pool is like saying that tennis is obviously harder than ping pong, or that motorcycle exhibition is harder than bicycle exhibition. I get their logic, but it's wrong.
I think it is still epic to watch him play in snooker table... As white, Selby and davis said, efren may excel in snooker also. But efren humbly refuse the idea and told (in an interview) that he is too old to learn a new discipline...
@@wipedoutph226 Did you read what I wrote???? I said I would like to see. I! I don't care what someone else says about him....I would like to see. Sheesh.
@@catweasle5737 why don't you search for Efren playing snooker then? You want people to feed you something you want to prove yourself? FYI, Efren also played snooker in Europe during his younger days, and he already beat Ronnie twice in Snooker. Eat that.
The real truth is you can't really "know" who is better. but IMO, from being a pool player myself, watching the way they handle the cue, their stroke, their shots, etc. Efren just looks more talented. Like he was born with it. If you watch "highlights" or whatever, snookers are like oh watch him make this long shot... yeah, I get its harder than a normal table.. still that's hardly something to "highlight"... after all they miss more often as well. Then watch Efren make unbelievable shots in tournament setting, consistently! masse shots, carom, multi rail kisses, etc. like more than just making a long shot, he controls the cueball with such dexterity it goes beyond what snooker players even understand. While still setting himself up for next shot or whatever some snooker players think doesn't exist in pool. He can make these long shots that supposedly so amazing as well, and it's not even a highlight for him.
Snooker is not meant to be watched just as highlights. You have to watch the whole match or rather the whole tournament and follow over several seasons. Just saying.
There isn’t a single pool player who can play elite snooker yet any snooker player can do very well in any pool tournament. Have you seen Reyes play snooker? There’s a vid on RU-vid… he’s terrible.
@@TwistedSoul2002 i heard a group of phillipines players, who dont have snooker tables anywhere in their country, practiced for like a week and went over, competed, and i think they won a title or something? is this not true? also: i havent seen that video, but i will say this, watching any pro snooker player, they look terrible at their own game IMO (besides a few players) and is usually only decent looking during certain small moments.
@@humanbean3 I have watched that video of Efren Reyes playing snooker and yes it was shocking for me to see what I witnessed. I always felt that he was one of the best cue player ever but watching that was an eye opener, though it could also be due the fact that he was way past his prime. I have watched Ronnie and other top snooker players for years and in my opinion Ronnie sits on top is the best ever that Cue sport has ever seen. Having said that, I almost do feel that Efren is very very close to Ronnie when it comes to natural talent. Keep in mind Ronnie has played a little bit of pool and has been victorious against Earl Strickland who is also among the very best that the game has ever seen.
He's a 6 time world snooker champion in 8 world snooker championship matches in 9 years, held number one snooker player for 7 consecutive seasons..and got beaten by Efren Reyes in pool.. And a lot of these guys still think billiards is easier than snooker.
@I am RU-vid hahahahahaha Ronnie was a child of 16 in another country. Giving a head start to a 34yo man.. who used a pool cue like a dumb dumb apparently.
@I am RU-vid I did reply… drugs lord??? Please elaborate 😂😂🤣 You get so triggered… Have you considered therapy? I know a guy!!.. I wouldn’t tell you who he is… but I know a guy! Haha
He´s talking about elite snooker players dedicating themselves to pool. He´s not far off. Ronnie barely played pool and had wins over Mike Massey and Earl Strickland. There is no way the reverse would happen if pool players dedicated themselves to snooker for 18 months.
Honestly, I would not hate Ronnie to underestimate Efren than those who are arrogant "snooker pro player" in the RU-vid comment section who haven't achieved anything yet.
Ronnie said that Efren is the only guy who hustled him. They played when Ronnie was a teen and Efren egged him to give an advantage. Ronnie at this time wasn't pro yet but was good enough to beat one so he was probably got too confident that he gave Efren an advantage. Efren then proceeds to beat Ronnie in snooker using his pool cue stick. Probably humbled Ronnie real quick and from that point on he never underestimated the magician. Meanwhile Efren was probably so happy he hustled a kid lmao.
Maybe but I bet you any money you like if Hendry played him 100 times at pool,he would win more games than Reyes would from 100 games of snooker,agree?
First of all nothing but respect to both of them, but I’d be willing to bet they couldn’t beat Shane or Dennis in a long race, no matter how long they practiced or took the game seriously.
@@scambodia147 I don’t dispute that at all. My comment was for the snooker fans, who think any snooker pro would Stand a chance in a long race with a top pool pro
im not even close to being a Pro even if i hustle some over the years and i switch to snooker in 20 hours i was up ready for Elites.....its the other way around.Harder for snooker players to adjust and its the opinion of many great snooker player ive met.They saw how i treat their sacred table and wouldnt want to meet me on a 9x4 so yes Efren would have been a Pro Elite snooker player if he wanted
@@TwistedSoul2002 of course but with a week or two of serious practice he could have compete any time he wanted just like in 3-cushion or any other cue sport....wake up he is the greatest Cueist ever
He said 1yr -18 months dedication. Ronnie has wins over some of the top pool guys in history when he never plays pool. It would take way longer for a top pool guy to be competitive in snooker.
I think Ronnie summed it up, if a Snooker player dedicated himself to Pool or 9ball they would become the best. But for 9ball or Pool players to become a Snooker Champion it would be too difficult.
No chance a snooker player wouldnt be best example jimmy white and stevie davis defeated by efren reyez pool seems easier than snooker but if easy for everyone
@@landorsavage Yes, billiards is easy. You are talking about the Steve Davis that way past his prime. I can give you millions of example snooker player won against top pool player in actual matches. And you can't even find me one example the otherwise
Efren may be the best all around player in any billiard discipline, Ronnie is probably the most talented snooker player, Stephen Hendry has a better tournament resume than Ronnie though.
if efran reyes is in nowdays pool, he pkay everything including snooker. he was good like that and also nowdays price money and sponsor is more genorous
@@roto6462 And like you believe it bolsters the fact at it’s highest level snooker is king. Steve Davis also beat Efren in 9 ball competition. Not even 1 example the other way around.
Ok somebody explain this...world snooker champion 500,000 £((650.000 US dollars) World pool 9 ball champion 30,000. Equivalent to 39,000US dollars So why didn't these pool magicians try their hand at the mans game where the real money is,almost 17 times as much,doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out does it?Even 'March Mcmadness' can grasp that fact!
If you want a serious explanation - a lot of pool players live in places where they could be hundreds of miles from the nearest snooker table. A lot of lower and mid-level 'pro' pool players probably don't have strong enough cue actions to hold up against decent amateur snooker players. The top pool players have decent techniques and bags of natural talent but they also have a living to make. Lets say someone like Albin Ouschan, for example, decided to try playing pro snooker. He would have to get access to a decent tournament quality table, find someone of similar standard at snooker to practice against and put in hundreds of hours getting used to the different conditions and type of shots that snooker players play. He would also have to do the drills that aspiring snooker players are doing all the time (cueing exercises, long straight blues, long potting, line ups, etc). So we would be talking a solid year of effort to get ready to compete at Q-School. A year he isn't competing at pool and earning his living. And even then, there is nothing to say he won't play well at Q-school and still lose because he came up against the next Zhao Xintong or a lifelong experienced snooker pro that has fallen off of the tour. Your analogy is cute, but only one person a year is making £500,000 from the World Snooker Championship. The majority of players on the tour aren't even making a decent living. So it is a massive risk for a top pool player to give up their livelihood to try snooker and potentially make nothing from it. That said, I would love to see a few more give it a try. I watched Alex Pagulayan's final match at Q-school live and he seemed pretty competitive to me. Corey, less so. But even then, despite Alex having played snooker for years, he probably still hadn't put the hours needed in to it compared to the other Q-school players.
Simon Ayers Pool so in a nutshell,the money is in snooker,granted world championship is the biggest prize money,but look at the annual prize money in a year on the snooker calendar,pool prize money dwarfs by comparison,top 16 snooker players are loaded,top 16 pool players nowhere near so,without sponsorship it's a hand to mouth game,more money being an unknown hustler with a sneaky pete!
@@scambodia147 well it is more a case that there are probably only a few pool players that have strong enough techniques to hold up for snooker and they are the ones winning all the pool tournaments. So do they risk making nothing on the snooker tour or making a bit of money (but not as much as the top snooker players) playing pool? Reality is most of the top pool players are probably too old now to get good enough to be top snooker players as it takes so many years of practice. And even then they may never get close. SVB is arguably the best pool player today. But a lot of that is because of things like his phenomenal break, or his pattern play, or how good he is at combinations and banks. Things that count for nothing at snooker. Jayson Shaw or Joshua Filler might stand a better chance because they are amazing potters but they are also very natural and loose with their cue actions. So it again may be too little too late to migrate to snooker. If anything I would think someone like Ko Pin Yi or Alyosius Yapp could do well at snooker, but they might have never played the game in their lives so we’ll probably never know.
@@catweasle5737 nope...and this is coming from the Pro snooker player ive met through the last few years.They know where they belong.But pool players can have fun on snooker tables as its more easy to switch.
And as O'Sullivan said, if a snooker player dedicated himself to 9-ball then he would clean up! Reyes may be the greatest pool player, but if you watch a video of him playing snooker then it is there for all to see....he is an appallingly bad player. O'Sullivan is just being kind to him, he wouldn't have made a cent if he had played on the pro snooker circuit.
@@truthsayerq7264 theres no money and popularity in snooker, thats why Efren didnt pursue it. He tried it once and beat the best Sullivan. Thats how great Efren is.
@@mikeserrano734 No money in snooker? Are you blind? O'Sullivan is many times richer than Reyes, he makes him look like a pauper. You don't know anything about either sport, that is obvious, Reyes even said himself that he needed a heavy points start. O'Sullivan would now be able to take many racks of pool against Reyes, on a snooker table Reyes would lose every single frame. Have you just watched the world snooker championship, £500,000 first prize, 10× more than any pool tournament pays. As O'Sullivan says, if any snooker player focused long enough on 9 ball then they would clean up against a pool player. The skill levels are way higher in snooker, and having competed at regional level in the UK I think I'm reasonably well qualified to make that claim. Even I would have easily beaten Reyes on a 12ft snooker table, much more difficult pockets, no easy cushions to help the ball in, and 4 point contact needed for maximum accuracy.....not the 2 point contact that pool players can get away with. Go and learn something about either sport and then debate. And whilst you're at it, go and watch Reyes playing snooker in a video from 3-4 years ago, it's pathetic! The man makes some very strange claims. But I'm sure you won't do any of this because you know I'm right, so just keep shouting.
@@960john Not an arrogant individual at all, however i am an ex county level player in the UK who can still easily compile consistent century breaks. Reyes is a pool player, plain and simple.....he does not possess the accuracy required for snooker, largely as a result of the contact points in pool. He may well have become very competent if he had worked hard at the game, but he didn't and that really is that. So to recap, yes, I would definitely have defeated him in a snooker match....comfortably!! And since you clearly don't understand either discipline, you are hardly in a position to debate it with me.
Snooker is a less popular cue sport. If it is popular in the Philippines, Efren would be on top of it. Efren plays almost everything, from 9ball, 8ball, 10ball, rotation, one pocket, three cushion, name it and Efren conquers it all.. Pool vs Snooker is just like Boxing vs MMA, where hustlers prefer the one that gives you more money..
Good analogy but by saying its like Boxing v MMA already makes it clear, that one sport clearly has a skill advantage over the other. An MMA guy would need less experience to become somewhat okay at boxing but the reverse is much more difficult. Same thing with pool/snooker.
@@roto6462 lmao nobody asked him to give him a head start now did he thinking it was easy then he got "out hustled" in his own words lol.. britboys were lucky snooker ain't a popular sport in Asian countries until recently
This is why I respect Ronnie and not Stephen because Ronnie realises and respects the skills involved with Pool and realises how great Efren is, whereas Stephen is too self obsessed and will never give respect where it's earned earned and deserved because he is still a Snooker Snob and he will never give respect to players that he hasn't got the brains, ability or the balls to beat.
Snooker is hard because the table is very large, on the contrary, pool is hard because the table is too small for the bigger balls in comparison to snooker, lol! Same genre of sports but can't be compared, really! Lol
I dont know if ya'll heared that efren beats Sullivan in a snooker game using his billard cue stick which is thicker than the snooker cue stick. Sullivan admitted that.
Alex Lely plays in the same snooker league as I do. He uses a pool cue and makes 80 plus breaks in the matches with it. He did it at the club where I play. That sort a scoring keeps your opponent in his seat and you can beat literally anyone. And at that level you can give them a broom and they would still perform well. So that frame does not say much, they can all beat each other in a frame of snooker or a rack pool regardless the cue that they are using.
Its like mayweather vs mcgregor in boxing just different outcome.. its also a foreign country for efren.. even if ronnie is still young.. i wouldve side ronnie if his sick but its not :)
@@roto6462 a soon to be on his top form snooker god vs. a past his prime billiard god competing on a snooker table hence a plus 25 pts start is I think reasonable especially if you are outhustling your opponent... and you are correct it is not something to celebrate... but it is something to tell to those snooker retards claiming that any pool player cannot win in a snooker tournament.. and i want to add a statement from Steve Davis that he is urging efren to try snooker in which the latter does not entertain due to his age.
Any of the top 100 snooker players would easily beat any of the pool players with a bit of coaching. Including Reyes. Reyes wouldn’t have a prayer on the snooker table.
A snooker pro would have a good chance to win some tournaments but he wouldn't be able to be consistently better than the top pool players. The stroke is very different. Also the way you have to constantly spin the ball in pool.
@@bugsbunny5092 In snooker it's either top spin or bottom spin. Side is not used as often. You can clearly see that when snooker players play 9ball. They use positioning without side spin which makes pocketing difficult because you have to hit the ball harder and positioning finicky because you can't make the cue ball take the best path.
A seriously don’t think a snooker player would clean up pool if they practiced for 18 months..Davi’s white trump Williams Ronnie all tried and failed massively..drago been trying for 20 years😂
