Ob NIxilis off the top!  

Thats where you just say ill take one for the team and counter anyways.

@@BAKABAKA23456789Yeah, man’s a coward

@@BAKABAKA23456789the podcast had a really interesting discussion about kingmaking actually, their general consensus was it makes you look like a dick, so dont

​@@BAKABAKA23456789If you're gonna lose anyway, the respectful thing to do would be to not interfere. It would be different if there was some small chance of him Opting or Considering into an instant speed ritual that generates 3UU, but no such ritual exists.

@@BAKABAKA23456789well then he would have to wait for everyone else to finish while being "last" (because he died first). Also being kingmaker is not so nice

Honestly renaming all legendary creatures to their autocorrect is funny and good and will make your day better. Watch out for Nick Mizzenmast, Prawn Morris, Weather-light Delis Rakes, Lord of Riots Multiplayer, the Graveside Gymnast, the Weaver Kodak of the West Tree Shared, the Hegemony Variant, Lichen Queen

I laughed really hard at that part lmao

Nope, since when you cast deflecting swat you declare the new target, so you have the counterspell target deflecting swat, when things resolve the counterspell loses its target and fizzles

You make the force of will target itself

@@abdulalhazred9538 you can't make Force target itself but you can make Force target the Swat you're using to change the target of Force

@@kingofrunescapepking Shouldn't you be able to target force of will, since its a spell on the stack? you can't target it while you cast it, but by changing the target isn't it possible?

@@starkiller182 nope, a spell can never target itself, even after it is on the stack

The exile is not a draw, so it doesn't make you lose. Now if someone has a way to force him to draw after he has milled, then he would lose.

You pay 1 life to cast it for free :)

When you cast a spell, you are putting it on the stack. It goes on the stack, then you pay any costs, if the costs to play the spell can not happen, then you effectively roll back the stack. So effectively the spell is already on the stack as you pay costs.

If you look up how casting spells work it is way easier to understand than how i explain it. Lots of cool videos on how to "abuse" it as well. :D

Well, that's not how you play cEDH...

@Zaalbarjedi it may not be but you forget in the context of the video it's cedh emphasis on c meaning both "casual" and "competitive". In the instance that it's not during a mox masters or anything official, why not? There's nothing at stake and you lose anyways. Might as well see what happens and if a Ob player is going for the infinite at that moment, then he has protection or contingencies which we see he had ways of digging further with what he had in hand. Sometimes it's not always about winning but seeing the whatif

You don't make spite plays cEDH nor should you in any game of MTG.

@TunedToDoom how is that spite? It's barely even king kingmaking? Could be my casual mind coming through but you take risks for a reason! If it's spite and written in a set of cEDH competition rules then I'll eat my shoe but with friends, 1000000% I am pact-ing there to see what would happen after.

@@funnyapples2717 "c" in "cEDH" means "competitive", there is no emphasis on casual there at all. Also, "Sometimes it's not always about winning but seeing the whatif" is complete opposite of the philosophy of cEDH. Making spite play that makes you lose just for the lulz is an extremely fast way to not be invited to the cEDH table anymore.