Oblivion's Cut City 

I was 3000+ words into another video on New Vegas and realizing how much more work I had to do to complete it, I figured why not make a random video on one of my favorite games from when I was younger. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this video, back to Fallout for the next one! 🖤🖤🖤

There’s tons of cut content in oblivion, I remember coming across a cave that had something to do with a cut quest involving a red queen, with a high enough acrobatics, you can skip the permanently locked door by jumping through a hole in the ceiling and experience the whole cave, was a very cool moment of experiencing something no one was supposed to see

missed a golden opportunity to title the video "no Sutch city"

Now that he’s branched out into other games, the Triangle City content will never stop coming… not that I’m complaining

Kinda sucks we didn’t get another city on the Gold Coast considering Kvatch remains destroyed, all we get is Anvil

Oblivion is my comfort game, I play it when I'm feeling under the weather and want to be cozy... thanks for this!

I remember learning about Sutch a number of years ago but there's so little info about it across the Internet It'd be super cool if a level designer could shed some light on it 15+ years later

"A city was cut from Oblivion" "Yeah, so?" "A city was cut from Oblivion with New Vegas epilogue music playing in the background" "I'm not crying you're crying"

Am I’m the only one who misses the classic old school vibrant fantasy aesthetic that the older Elder Scrolls game had

There’s a mod that restores Sutch and it’s beautiful.

Oblivion is what got me into Bethesda style RPGs

I honestly had no idea that an entire city was cut from Oblivion. I have a feeling one of the contributing factors as to why it was cut is due to where it was located. Most of the cities have a certain amount of distance in-between each other, but Sutch was located between Kavatch and Anvil. It isn't that big of a distance to begin with, so a safe place in-between the two would make that trek even more of a cake walk. Could be wrong since Kavatch is destroyed, but it's something I thought about when looking at the map

Oblivion was the first Bethesda game I played and the first open-world RPG of that style I had ever played, too; and I had no idea that there was an entire city cut from the game. Fort Sutch has always caught me as being a bit odd an different from the game's other locations, but I had always chalked it up as being specially made for the Dark Brotherhood quest. Quite fascinating that there was once a whole city right there.

Something interesting to note is if you go into the testing rooms in Oblivion there's a whole city in there called Crowhaven. I'm pretty sure Crowhaven as it stands in the game is just a place to test/store things (there is a guy there who has every weapon in the game to buy + you can mess with his disposition through dialogue options; further from the town there are all sorts of monsters just chilling), however it's suspiciously fleshed out. Like...it's a whole area, idk if it could fit into where Sutch is supposed to be and I doubt it's even related, but maybe modders could move all that over to see if it fits in the area. You never know with Bethesda

Sutch was always so interesting to me since the E3 map layout for the city is so unique, it has a lake and a dock associated with the city! It's a bummer there isn't much info left about it. Hopefully one of the devs reveals more info about what was planned for the city in the future

If you go off arena both skyrim and oblvion are missing a half dozen major cities if your lucky they'll be a ruined a fort with the name

The Oblivion gate was probably there to be part of the Allies for Bruma quest initially. But was given different requirements to open after it was cut (following Dagon Shrine but not requiring the Bruma gate). An unmarked quest for that Oblivion gate is to protect the legion guards there, so perhaps if it wasn't cut then there would've been Sutch guards instead. Not too sure, as some things (like the music) implies enemies would've been in the area but the unmarked quest implies otherwise. I guess we'll never really know.

I gotta admit its kinda nice to see you give these videos an actual title rather than it just being "Oblivion SECRET city FOUND!!" like a lot of other youtubers that make content like this. It just feels more honest this way. Cheers

Let's go and document all cut content of every Bethesda game!

Ohh boy, right in the middle of my play though of Oblivion.

I want Triangle to cover cut content from other games but just keep naming it after the New Vegas cut content series and see how long it takes people to notice.

There's a cut town in Elsweyr weirdly enough. If you toggle collision or disable the world border, you can see pathways from the removed town.

man this is *sutch* an interesting topic!

Bro remember when the Gamebryo engine was technically impressive? Lol

Oblivion content never gets old. It's so fun to see this in 2021.

Sutch a tremendous effort in exploring cut content! Much wow!

Great info! Forst Sutch always bothered me, and now I know why! But we should keep in mind that the playable maps in all Elder Scrolls games after Daggerfall (i.e., Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim) are significantly scaled down and are not meant to be representative of their respective landmasses' actual size. There are numerous cities, towns, and other significant locations that are mentioned in earlier games and in-universe sources that never make an appearance in the latter games. We shouldn't take this to mean that they therefore don't exist, only that those specific locations were cut due to space, time, and/or resources. Their nonexistence in-game is purely pragmatic.

what a fucking brilliant game

Would fuckin loooove more stuff about oblivion cut content

The town of snowhawk in Skyrim is the treated the same as sutch.

Bruh your hard info with the little humor just sold me. Seeing you draw that word while talking about trying to warp to the area not working just got me rolling. That's a sub.

I remember the first time I encountered Fort Sutch while I was exploring the landscape for fun. I particularly remember how it quickly began to feel odd while I was exploring around and inside the ruins. Perhaps it was the music and the closed in feeling, but whatever the cause I didn't stay very long. I never got any odd or unsettling feelings in other dungeons so this experience stayed with me to the point I simply decided to keep away and explore elsewhere.

As they say... Sutch is life...

you can say there's no sutch thing as TriangleCity running out of cut content :)

Love to see some more Oblivion cut content videos. I played Oblivion to death for years. Great game, great atmosphere, felt incredible for its time

NV was great and I liked your coverage on it, but Oblivion was the ultimate childhood game for me so that video really makes me happy

One of the best channels ive discovered, keep it coming!

Yesssss please do more oblivion content, its my favorite Elder scrolls!

I have been unaware of the whole situation involving Sutch, however it did catch my attention that there was a flat section of land where I felt was a missed opportunity to have a city. The lonely fortress in the middle of nowhere felt odd.

Oblivion is what made me love Open-World games. I'd love to see more cut content from it

Nice, I love your FNV content but a little variety is definitely a breathe of fresh air. Awesome work as always man.

It's been a mighty long while that I've learned something new about this game. I distinctly remember that the German version of Oblivion made reference to some more locations that must have been cut at some point. The German translation was notorious for being really bad (they translated the "Repair hammer" with "Hammer reparieren" - which means "to repair a hammer" for example) so I always thought that most of these references to places that don't exist in the game were just due to bad translation - this video puts these things into a very different context.

My favorite out of all the elder scrolls, a good game to move to once the new vegas well runs dry

Sutch is life in game development

Yooooo I love your FNV videos, but I was hoping you’d also branch into other games. Very happy to see this!

i reckon lord drads estate is the old stable for sutch

I feel like adding a ruined city would be a really fun dungeon. Like it would be similar to Kvatch but full of Necromancers, or maybe a pack of Minotaurs or something like that

OHO! Some Elder Scrolls cutting room floor! Very nice! Thank you!

I wonder if any dev's would be open to sharing what was planned for Sutch? Seems kinda wild that such a large and obvious change has like no other explanation for it from dev's outside of what's left in the oblvion files.

The king has returned!

Sutch has long been a curiosity to me, ever since Oblivion came out, I've seen a lot of videos about it, but somehow never knew about all the weird oddities you can find with the level editor, very cool detail for this vid.

I remember the reason for this being cut years ago was a total system crash at Bethesda (Todd said their Asus machines crapped out) and they lost a lot of data. Sutch was apparently part of the data that was lost and they just didn't have time to remake most of it and all of it's lost content, so they scrapped what they had and added Fort Sutch and left it at that.

There's so much research in this video I expect this channel to grow really fast

I have read on the game's Wiki that the last recorded date when Sutch was still a city was in 2E 864. It has a little history, it used to be a well estabilished settlement on the Gold Coast, the city wasn't retconned out of existence, it's just that it's been long gone by the time of Oblivion, all that remains is the few ruins. Bethesda actually planned to put it in Oblivion but they probably didn't have time so they changed the story, making it be just the ruins of a long time abandoned city. But they never stated why it was abandoned.

Awesome! I would like to say that video on any game's cut content you would do would be great. The effort and excellent narration makes your videos delightful.

Wow! Obsidian cut Oblivion?! damn l blame the ps3 for this.

I decided to check in Elder Scrolls Online and you actually can see Sutch...or at least...a tiny part of it. In the North Western corner of the Gold Coast is a landmark called "Varen's Wall." Ignoring the obvious developer reason of making a large wall that surrounds the Gold Coast to limit play area; lore-wise it was built after Varen Aquilarios conquered the empire as a means of protecting his homeland from retaliation by longhouse empire loyalists. If you go to the gate of the wall and look out to the lands, you'll see the towers of Sutch's fort, though not much else.

That is Sutch a cool thing to hear about all these years later!

Yeeees!! Now you are covering my 2nd most favourite game! Awesome!

Hjaalmarch/Morthal Hold Cut Content.

This is awesome, you shouldn't stop at just oblivion and new Vegas either. Ik fo3 has significantly less content than new Vegas, it still has quite a bit of cut content. Love the new video

Would absolutely love to see more cut content videos about any and all classic RPGs like this. Love your videos!

Triangle City, hello! Thank you for your work, amazingly interesting!!!!

I came across this cave and after looking into the locked door. I was able to jump up through the hole in the ceiling at the back of the cave that lets you explore the upper area of the cave.

Oblivion is still such a pretty game I always thought it was prettier then Skyrim

Just randomly happened across this video, but man I love the way you've got Oblivion looking! Especially at around 1:32.

Great to see content from you still, always a pleasure to watch. Hope you're having a good summer as well!

Interesting I never knew there was a cut city. I wonder why it was cut and what it would have been like? Also I like that you’re covering more games, I always thought it would be cool to see you cover cut content from other games.

For a second i thought i was checking out another TheCantina video, that dudes basically the master of oblivion trivia. This is a great video none-the-less

Never knew this city existed until now, now i can't unsee it

Fort Sutch was used in the Oblivion E3 demo to showcase the oblivion gates probably to find some use for what was left of the location

considering the amount of content that has been made on the hidden and cut content in oblivion over the years, its truly astonishing you were able to find something ive never heard about befor today, propys to you, and wow oblivion still has stuff to be talked about in it.

glad i found you around 3 months ago, i love the videos you made about cut content in new vegas and i'm happy that you made a video about another game; thanks for making my day better with your content

This guy..Amazing RU-vid, amazing artistic Instagram. Great voice. Honestly keep it up.. you deserve more views!

I love this video, please do more oblivion content.

Sutch is the way of game design, a messy art that leaves much on the cutting room floor.

Explains why that western bit of the map feels so empty

It's great to see you covering other topics hopefully this helps you get more subs

I remember finding various things like this in Bethesda games, just wandering around and finding something only to not figure out what there is to it. There must be so much cut content to cover. I wonder if there's a mod for this

Cool to see you branch out into Elder Scrolls

Always love your deep work on cut content. It's always super interesting.

An interesting thing to mention, there were several cities in Skyrim that were present in TES1 Arena but had no mention made of them in TES5 Skyrim. Among these are the cities or towns of Amber Guard, Nimalten City, Granitehall, Dunpar Wall, and Dragondale, some of which are also historically significant places. There are some mods that add these locations as small ruins in the game. I wonder if there's more information as to why these cities are missing.

Skyblivion is supposedly bringing back Sutch, whenever that gets finished.

Sometimes i feel that Oblivion was better than Skyrim and most of ES games, dont know why, just Oblivion has the magic feel like new vegas

This guy definitely needs more subs such great content

Radiant AI was a big cut I think if you do more of these, or how it was originally meant to work anyway, before the NPCs terrorizing one another made them simplify it. That or Todd was just making ****** up again.

I am actually hoping a build of Oblivion containing Sutch leaks one day.

Can't wait until 2040 when Triangle City goes to Morrowind Cut Content

Leaving Sutch destroyed like Anvil would be another cool option since we don't really see what the Daedra do ingame. All we see is arriving at an already destroyed Kvatch, but we hear about them killing mercilessly, all over all the other provinces too - An invasion - But again we barely even see them outside of our own ventures into Oblivion. More cities razed by the Daedra would add to the atmosphere of the game a lot I believe, and avoid having to make a full city with a bunch of quests, NPCs, etc. when the city is already canon and planned. They had the assets from Kvatch already there.

You deserve more subscribers for all the quality content you make.👍

Glorious beautiful video, loved this piece of Oblivion content. Keep it going!

Oblivion is a a very special place in my mind and I'm my heart

At 3:50 i drew an line where the city would be connected to the docks by a divide in the trees and it fits perfectly for a road. I wish this city could have made it in the final game. Another city would have made it better for me to go around the area of anvil and kvatch

i love your voice you could talk about anything for hours and i would listen to all of it

It was always strange to me how Malacath's quest was near the estate which was super remote from other towns. Looks like it was supposed to be near Sutch

this was one of the best presentations of cut content I've ever seen!! I love how it's both thorough and concise. I don't play fallout but I'll sub anyway

Woo more games to cover

It seems like Sutch got the axe in two different games, as despite the lore from Online mentioned in this video that could explain what happened, Sutch not only doesn’t appear, but the map of the Gold Coast just seems to cut it off. Spoilers for Greymoor and Skyrim below. Interestingly, Sutch’s status as a city that was destroyed, but left some notable remains might have inspired the portrayal of the hold of Karthald, a similarly destroyed major city that appeared in Greymoor. Both Sutch and Karthwatch (the capital of Karthald) leave behind unusually large dungeons with limited but noticeable references to the city that used to be there, with the latter mainly being referenced through the nearby areas with “Karth” in the name, with one of those areas containing a major stronghold for the Blades. The lore from Online mentioned in this video seems to be an attempt at foreshadowing the Sutch’s eventual destruction, although the map of the Gold Coast stops just short of including the city on it. The city might have been cut from Online because there really isn’t much to go on regarding what Sutch is like, just that it stays intact until sometime after the events of Redguard, and that little is left of it by the end of the 3rd Era. The former bit of information is near useless, and the latter doesn’t provide any ideas that can be used in the time period Online is set in. Sutch might have inspired how they handled Karthald, but they either couldn’t come up with enough ideas to include Sutch in the Dark Brotherhood DLC, or they had far to many to be able to get their portrayal of the city right. Either way, unless Sutch makes a surprise appearance in the Blackwood chapter of ESO, we likely won’t be seeing the city for quite a while. I might be completely wrong, but those are my thoughts on this.

@TriangleCity is THE master of discovering and showcasing cut content.

And now Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil is bringing back Sutch as the legion headquarters.