I get very upset when i come across the implication that our disorder is any kind of advantage, t is after all an anxiety disorder, i would never wish on another to make all of their decisions as dictated by fear. My apologies for responding in the most ocpd way possible but to paraphrase the definition of personality disorder: core beliefs that lead to clinically significant DISTRESS in all areas of life. While everyone is different, so i'm sure we can all easily agree that no generalisation is universally helpful, i believe there's a lot of potential in the diversity of our experiences to justify hope for each other. I'm glad to hear you have someone to support you in your process, its truly an invaluable variable. I've personally never had that many interpersonal problems because of my ocpd, i do think all the unhelpful bits others were spared of manifested in creatively self-destructive ways though. (my theorised overexplanation being the coexistence of being both highy agreeable and introverted traits, if it just so happens that i'm dogmatic about accomodating others stands to reason i'd become the Ultimate People Pleaser). i know i at least feel persistently restless, there's nothing i can't link to possible doom, my fears (both reasonable ones as much as the irrational) have made it hard to have goals meant to feel rewarding, whatever results i get i tend to credit them to adrenaline, there rarely is any feeling of satisfaction, relief is the aspiration.
im19ice3 what a fantastic comment. Lots of great personal insight I think others would benefit from hearing. Lots of self-awareness. And I very much agree with the sentiment at the beginning of your comment. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Just wanted to say your videos have been a revelation. Being previously undiagnosed with any mental condition, at 29 it's taking time for me to accept a diagnosis of Adult ADD in June, which was revised to OCPD two weeks ago. I take inspiration from your personal battle and brutal honesty, a skill that only now am I beginning to use for myself. Take care and I hope you and everyone with OCPD continue to calmly explore and make peace with the devil inside.
Eugene Lam thank you so much! I'm glad that they've been helpful. Interesting as you mentioned an initial diagnosis of ADD as there was someone suggesting a connection in a Facebook group and we were discussing it. Thanks for your well wishes and I hope this new diagnosis allows you to move in a forward and positive direction.
Oh wow, may I ask how/why you got diagnosed with ADHD and how it got revised to OCPD? Because I got my ADHD doagnosis recently at 27 and am quite convinced I have it. When I brought up doubts I may have CPTSD too, after a short conversation about it the psychiatrist said it looks more like OCPD and we should look into both. I can easily imagine why one might have both or how the stress of living with undiagnosed ADHD well into adulthood can develop OCPD tendencies and thought patterns over time. But I struggle to imagine how OCPD alone can look like and be mistaken for ADHD. I'm very curious about that and would love to hear your about personal experience and thoughts on that! And also on how it got revised from ADHD to OCPD. Thank you very much in advance! I wish you all the best!
I appreciate you. My other half has OCPD tendencies. And I've just come to terms with having BPD. It's been a big eye opener for me and I hope he can join me in the journey of getting better. I dream of the day we both can be more comfortable with life in general and the people in it.
Lisa Marie well it's definitely within your grasp. And by you starting the journey yourself, you're helping to set a good example and you're also helping to destigmatize mental health issues. You should be very proud of yourself and if you work hard you will attain that future that you seek.
I wish my spouse got the diagnosis of OCPD earlier it would have saved us alot of issues and deep scars mentally since they would have made sense I'm still trying to learn more about it. Thank you for the videos
Aleksandra Wioletta you are very welcome. Thanks for sharing the feedback. Please let me know if you have any other questions. I'm always looking for topics to cover in future videos.
Many people with autism have OCPD, but only some people with OCPD have autism. I would guess that is why they are confused. Confirmation bias of having friends with both conditions makes people not see the people with just OCPD, who may be just seen as rigid.
Corvus Mortuus well anecdotal evidence goes a long way in convincing people that they are right. They are definitely comorbid, but as you explained, two completely different things.
Thanks for this video! As a fellow OCPD-er, I really appreciate how well thought-through it was (as all your videos are). And it’s always good to hear a positive personal update!
MK thanks for the comment. I'm never really happy with the videos once they're done, but I do hope that they are improving over time and are more helpful the more I'm able to get to the point. I hope that you're well :)
I'm never satisfied with my outputs either... Isn't this a fun disorder huh. But your videos are so great! I especially enjoyed the Bali setting this time, and hope you're recovering and healing well in paradise :)
firsty9354 I'm not sure if I understand the question. Are you referring to peace from knowing OCPD is causing dissatisfaction? Or peace from being dissatisfied that I have OCPD? If you are referring to the first thing, I'm not sure it gives me peace. But it does give me hope that the dissatisfaction I feel from OCPD symptoms might be something that I can overcome. I definitely feel better gaining as much knowledge as I can about what it is that I'm suffering from. I hope that makes sense.
I was recently diagnosed with OCPD and I binge-watched you video for a bit of moral support. The only thing that I find difficult to accept, and that was the reason why I didn't think I could have OCPD in first place, is that I'm not a cleaner. Like you said in this video I'm not "clean enough", for me, in the first place, but especially for the society. I'm not organized (only some particular item need a strict order, the rest is put wherever) and my house if veeery messy most of the time. But I'm a hoarder. My therapist said I'm a hoarder-type OCPD but I still don't feel really validated because everyone think people with OCPD need to be clean and super tidy. It's so frustrating sometimes! I love your video, thank you for talking about this particular topic! And sorry if I made any mistake, I'm not a native speaker and writing is very difficult for me.
Hakumei Chan your writing is very good. Especially for not being a native English speaker. Have you joined any support groups for people with OCPD? There is a particularly good one on Facebook. I ask because if you did you would see that many people with OCPD fall under the hoarding category and many more would not consider themselves particularly organized or 'clean'. Thank you for your comment and thank you for watching some of my content.
Thanks for posting these videos. I just started going to therapy and although she hasn't been completely direct about it, I think that my psychiatrist is trying to gradually get me to accept OCPD as a diagnosis. She's got me to see and acknowledge almost all of the things that you describe in your videos. Something I find missing from your videos is that there is an inverted aspect of my OCPD and I wonder if you and others have this too: when I find people who I consider to be good people, I am excessively and obsessively kind and altruistic towards them.
Amaravi thanks for the comment. I'm not sure if I would describe anything I've experienced as completely 'altruistic'. At least in regards my OCPD. I would say that I tend to feel great frustration when others experience injustice. I feel helpless most of the time, and when there is something I can do I jump both feet in. I think it's possible that there is some connection there. My best guess is that it would be tied to a conscientious subtype of OCPD, but even then it doesn't fit in perfectly.
@@chunkyMunky329 I wouldn't say a sense of obligation. But I would be more inclined or feel more compelled to be more respectful to those that meet my expectations of kindness and politeness.
OCPD: My Life In Debris to be honest, I think that we were just born in the wrong era. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with expecting kindness and politeness. We’re just outnumbered and so society says we have to change, because it’s easier to force us to change than to convince society to be decent
Another great video. I think it is a good reminder that people should be careful of their choice of words...I even bristle at the way everyone throws around the word ‘depression ‘ but I know I am being too sensitive. 🙄 So very glad you are working on your own health, and finding success! 😊 By the way...what on earth happened to your hands?? 😟
Larissa Elf thanks. This was one of the few videos I've made in which I actually felt pretty relaxed on camera. Hopefully there's more videos like this in the future. All of us have different levels of sensitivity and I understand both sides of how and why language is used in the way it is. Something that helps is to understand that we are all going through struggles and it would be impossible to know the level to which someone else is suffering every time we interact with another human being. It may seem as though someone is downplaying or being dismissive of what we are going through. But it could be that they don't have the energy to choose the language that you would prefer due to something horrible going on in their life. Or maybe they see themselves in you and it scares them and they don't want to acknowledge that what you're going through is serious or that it is something that they should be addressing. Or it could just be that they are a jerk. But how do we know? It's just something I think about when I want to cut people more slack.
I have ocpd. Ocd. and autism. These are all highly misunderstood. As someone with all three conditions i understand how confusing the experiences can appear. The main thing that makes autism a neurological condition and not a mental illness or personality disorderis that the primary feature is sensory processing disorder. Autistic individuals have alternative sensory processing systems that can alter sensory perception. This makes it difficult for me to drive. Sensory processing disorder is the key that differentiates autism specifically.
Autism Enlightenment I believe we've chatted about this before. I just see so many people around me misdiagnosed, over-diagnosed and hopped up on a cocktail of prescription pills without proper medical supervision. I'd just like to see everyone get the help they deserve and more attention needs to be paid to properly diagnosing people and identifying disorders.
@@OCPD_support yes we talked before I am diagnosed w OCD and autism. My current therapist wants to have genetic testing done to match me w pharmaceuticals but psych meds and I do not mix well. I could not live without medical marijuana. Acupuncture is also helpful for me. My treatment in America thus far has been detrimental but I am now self determined.
Autism Enlightenment I have yet to try medical marijuana, although I'm very curious as to the results I would get. I'll be in the States soon and might give it a try while I'm there. I just recently tried acupuncture for pain management. I'm not sure if it worked but I'll definitely be continuing to experiment with it. I did remember us chatting, I just couldn't remember if we had dug into that particular topic.
I have had a confirmed diagnosis of Asperger's and ADHD, and I highly suspect that I have OCPD as well. Unfortunately, that conflation of the two conditions is hindering my access to support and therapy; my GP is sure I have something that is in the obsessive-compulsive types of disorders, but is not a psychiatrist to make a formal diagnosis, and the Autism centre I attend agrees that the while people on the spectrum to tend towards rigidity and routine, my issues extend beyond that. I know from the struggle I had to be diagnosed with Asperger's how damaging misdiagnosis is - and it is logical that it would be equally damaging for people who are otherwise neurotypical but have OCPD and for people with an Autistic spectrum disorder and OCPD for the two to be conflated; they are definitely two different disorder. Anecdotally, I would say that Autism may create a predisposition, but even that would be a cautiously made statement.
DomesticatedGoth and I'm the first person to admit I'm in no authoritative position to call the shots. These are merely my opinions as I see them. But I feel strongly about them and I think that there is more of a muddling of the sciences of psychiatry than advances these days, and it has me concerned for the future mental well-being of the planet.
I am binge watching all of your videos. Thanks so much for the detailed responses. Already, I feel I have more tools and understanding, and most of all, a tiny boost of hope that I can turn it around.... a thought I'd had previously deemed was impossible. I plan to see a phycologist, but when I do I want to feel as though I have an excellent handle on what's going on so we don't waste time This website is providing that education. Personal Question that you do not have to answer, but can you tell me what types of Medication you used in addition to Therapy? I started low dose paxil 10 mg last week to slowly bring that into play. Hopefully once it is build up in the body, I can benefit more from CBT.
John Vella I'd love to answer your question but I honestly don't remember all of the different medications I've tried out. The last time I went through the meds options I tried three different SSRIs and an anti-anxiety. I do talk about some of them in one of my videos entitled 'OCPD: Can you make progress with medication? (meds & pills explained) '. I stopped due to side effects that I wasn't willing to live with. But even if I had been ok with the side effects, my travel lifestyle now means I wouldn't have had access to them anyway in the long run.
catherine McFaddin that is a great question. There's a few ways of looking at it. I'd like to think that in the long run, I tend to be more right than I am wrong. But that is because I actually actively try to challenge my own set of beliefs regularly. So I feel like my conclusions over time tend to hold up. Then there is the OCPD type that once they make their mind up about something, they won't change if for anything. So they probably tend to be wrong more often. And then there is the balanced way of looking at things, which is that absolute truth is almost never as absolute as we think it is. Meaning that there are multiple ways of looking at things and multiple ways of doing things, and sometimes one if not better than the other. Thanks for the question.
firsty9354 I'll be the first to answer I guess. I was nearing the end of a failing marriage. I knew much of that had to do with me and the way I acted and communicated (or rather didn't communicate). I was at the end of my rope and willing to try anything. So after much research I came across OCPD and it was like reading my biography. From there I needed to go see a therapist. Didn't save the marriage, but did put me on the correct path to a better life.
OCPD: My Life In Debris I feel like my relative with OCPD is in complete denial..everything in life is going bad but it's always someone else's fault. I cannot get through to her. It makes me very sad and depressed.
firsty9354 it's such a complicated thing to come to terms with. People with OCPD can obsess over being right and being truthful. Many times those things are at odds with each other. If you point out directly that it's her own fault, she will react poorly and probably angrily. However, if you can demonstrate how the other people are not at fault, maybe slowly and over time you can eventually get her to look inwards. She needs to run out of people to blame.
Carnage - Yugioh I see that she needs to want that herself. But I am not able to still try to have a relationship with her if she doesn't get help. And if she won't it will mean that she doesn't care enough about me (or the rest of my family) to do anything about it. I am going insane, my mental health is at risk ( or is already compromised)...
firsty9354 you should look into some therapy for yourself. Everyone can benefit from having someone to talk to that is trained for these situations. Also, look into joining some online support groups for those that have family members with OCPD. There is a good one on Facebook.
(English is not my native language just so you know) I wonder... Can you have OCPD but not being orderly in areas of your life you simply don't care for? I mean, I'm always overly correct. I'm perfectionistic to the point I rarely ever finishing tasks. But I don't keep my house in order since I hate it and know that I wouldn't thrive even though it was clean and in order except the placement of furniture have to be perfect. I have a somewhat black and white thinking when it comes to order and to care. When I had short hair in my teens, it sometimes took me hours fixing my hair before I could leave the house. I was so fixated with getting it exactly right using hair wax that if it went wrong, I had to take a shower and then start over. Even at times when I had a friend over and we were suppose to get to a party together and I felt I couldn't get my hair right, it sometimes happened that my friend eventually had to go without me. I stayed home because I never got my hair as perfectly as I wanted, and my friend came late to the party because he waited for me. This wasn't always the case, but still an indication that something was wrong with me. How did I overcome this? Well, like everything else in my life. Instead of trying to stop my behavior and learn "good enough", I stopped caring totally and just left my hair to grow long as hell. Just so I could't do anything about it. I could make a "man bun" and redo it a few times until it was perfect in terms of position in height and width, but that's about it. No more showers and hours in front of the mirror at least. I'm also hoarding money and got the cheapest car I could find, just so that I don't have to care if something happens to it. I don't clean it or anything. But when I watch TV I really have to make sure it's perfectly calibrated and set the sound so it's not to high nor to low. If someone would ever move my monitor at my desk, it would make me really frustrated. I play Quake at a pretty high level, but if something felt just a bit "off" I would play like crap and cannot focus. The same goes for if someone wants to borrow my car and then changes the positioning of the drivers seat. If I'm at a friends or my girlfriends parents house and the picture ratio isn't set correctly I cannot watch. Something like that can really enrage me. The fact that others don't even seem to bother makes me think of them as stupid as fuck. I mean, how can you not care?! They must be retarded in some way? I'm trying not to show it but still... When it comes to my girlfriends parents I at the same time know they're not super smart in general so I don't care that much, but it at the same time describes tendencies of how I'm thinking and what stuff that can trigger me. I have been playing guitar for just over 20 years now, but I still play on the first electric guitar I got. A normal person would've probably upgraded after just a few years and is something I should've done as well, but I simply couldn't. If I have to spend money on something, I have to know I make the right choice. And even if I would've bought another one, the change itself from what I was used to would probably made me play on my old one still even though I would progressed more if I would have stuck to the new one. Another thing is the fact that if I where to make a choice of buying a new one. I would probably for some time be upset by the fact that I maybe would've been better off with another one if the choice came down to two different ones and I had to pick one of them. But mainly I think I have trouble making choices is the fact that it costs money. If I knew I got something with a great discount however, it's easier to justify a purchase. And by great discount it would be like 50% off or more. I would never be able to buy anything at standard price. If I where to buy a new TV and really forced myself not to buy a used one, I would try to find one on black Friday. But if I never was able to made up my mind, that would probably forced me to wait another year for next black Friday. Before I ever buy something I always ask myself; "do I really need this?" and most often the answer is no. And that goes for everything. I would never treat myself with like an ice cream on the street for example. I only make that kind of unnecessary purchases if I'm pressured into it. Like pressure from my girlfriend. I don't like it, but I do buy one just so she doesn't have to have one alone. But of course, we split. The only time I buy something for the both of, is if I know she will pay the next time. But I always prefer both of us splitting or that she pays and I swish her half the cost later. I always have to be right. Not like pathological liars lie to get the last word in an argument. I simply don't have any opinions in topics I don't know much about. If someone knows more than me on a topic fine, they're probably right. But I think like an autistic person when comes to "zoning in" on subjects, therefore I know I must be right because I have thought through the subject from every possible angle before I open my mouth. Often a conversation more or less becomes like a monologue from my point of view. But still I can listen to their point of view as well, and let them speak when I figure that they can't take in any more information. With an IQ of 129 I rarely stumble upon people smarter than me since my social circle is quite small. Another thing... I'm not that orderly. I don't do schedules and I can't be on time. I'm always late. Almost lost my jobs due to the fact I'm never on time even though I'm trying my best. If a trip to my workplace are suppose to take 30 minutes I can't account for things that could happen along the way or before I leave my house. And I simply can't get over this. It should take 30 minuts not more or less. If you made it through this quite messy text, what are you're thoughts? Could this be OCPD you think?
ChrisKadaver I did make it through your 'messy' text. I think you explained yourself very well for someone that's not a native English speaker. As I say to many of my subscribers/commenters, I'm in no position to diagnose you. All I can offer is an opinion. There are many different disorders out there and even if I were to suggest that OCPD is likely, that doesn't rule out comorbidity with other disorders. All that said, what you describe sounds very much like OCPD. I can relate to many of the things you describe. Maybe not all of the specifics, but most of the motivations. Which is what an OCPD diagnosis is really based off of. It's not what you do, but why you do it. So my personal opinion is that I lean heavily towards the idea that you have some form of OCPD. But as always, the best step you can take is to talk to a professional. You do a good job of downplaying some of the negative effects and playing some of the effects off as potential positives. But it is clear to me that overall, what you are going through is a net negative. I'm happy to try to answer any other questions that pop up and thank you for your comment.
Please don't hate me but I often wondered if certain behaviors shut off synapses in the brain where it would look like autism. I have had incidences of multiple traumas which make me feel on the spectrum... Just a curiosity
BlackMagnolia why would I hate you? You are most certainly entitled to your own opinions on the matter. I don't happen to share those opinions, although this is a concept that has been presented to me many times. Actually, I'm not sure specifically what you're asking as I re-read your message. Many people think that OCPD and autism could be one and the same. Or at least somewhere along the spectrum. This is an idea that I don't happen to along with. I have many of my own reasons, but the current research doesn't come to that conclusion either. However, if you're asking if trauma could distort the pathways in a brain in a way that a brain scan of someone with OCPD could resemble the brain scan of someone with autism, that I don't know. And it's a very interesting question. Thanks so much for the comment.
@@OCPD_support I was in a down moment and was feeling very self-conscious because anytime I talk with somebody the only person I know who's who has ocpd, he picks apart everything I say and we end up fighting...ugh so I'm kind of shy lol I'm such a huge nerd in spitballing to help others and I thought I saw something somewhere similar because I have complex post-traumatic stress disorder from narcissistic abuse and it feels like I'm autistic and I'm trying to see if there's a connection there in the brain a correlation between abuse and the turning off of synapses and how that presents if that makes any sense?
@@BlackMagnolia first off, I'm so sorry to hear all of that. I have full confidence you can overcome what you're going through, but I do know how incredibly tough it is. I'm not going to pretend I know the science behind brain chemistry. To be fair, in the grand scheme of things, very little is known about the brain at all. So I can't comment on synapses specifically. But trauma can absolutely change your brain chemistry. I would think that would be even more likely at a young age. But just like it can be shaped by negative experiences, over time it can be reshaped by positive experiences. That being the case, I would take a second look at your friendship and decide whether or not that friendship is adding an overall net positive to your life.
ROD Sculpture there are no physical tests that can determine if you have OCPD. But a psychiatrist can issue a psychiatric examination to determine if you meet the criteria.
Henry E I'm not in a position to diagnose, but I would need a lot more info if I was to be able to point you in the right direction. Are there other examples you can provide? Is it damaging the quality of your life?
@@OCPD_support i get anxious to do things. I play a lot of video games so if I press the x button on the left side I’ll have to press the b button on the right side more than once until I’m satisfied. This whole thing is new to me and it gets in my way a lot from doing simple things like writing for school. I also move my neck from side to side a lot to make it feel even. I’m not sure if it’s ocd but I think it might be. It’s only been happening to me in the past 3 months though.
@@henry6283 well it's certainly a possibility. But it's not the only reasonable answer. If it is OCD, you're really fortunate to be aware of it from the very beginning. I would talk to a therapist as soon as possible. The sooner you go, the easier it will be in the big picture. But sometimes high stress alone can temporarily bring out these sort of 'need to control' or 'need to find synergy' types of feelings.
Monica Kuzmicki I understand for the most part that the intention isn't to demean those with mental health issues. However, the way to encourage more people into therapy and treatment isn't by making fun of them.
