AWD would've been nice. I know that's not how the DC2's were but something to differentiate it a bit more from the Type R and justify the higher price.
The Integra has a moon roof, premium audio, leather, heated seats etc It's the street car for those who want Type R performance with lux creature comforts
@Amir Parvez theoretically it would push the price point to nearly 100k !!! If dealers are asking 70K or more for the Type R then they'll be asking 80 or more for the Integra Type S !!! Dealers are ridiculous these days.
I am pretty interested in this vehicle and I’m pretty happy with that short clip of the exhaust. Seems like a great daily. It will probably be very fun to drive, it’s comfortable, practical probably will get decent gas mileage. My only concern is the price lol
Definitely not a daily if your idea of a daily is driving it absolutely everywhere or doing simple things like driving to a gym or grocery store. This thing is for tearing through the mountains and showing off.
@@trackshun my daily commute involves me coming out of the mountains in my dc4, and proceeding to rip down the highway. Seems like a wonderful daily for me.
Thank you for the update. You once again kept me informed on this car. I bought the liquid carbon 6speed when the car came out because of you. 11,500 miles later still loving it. Just have to see the type s in person if I'll changed my mind.
the new Integra Type S makes only sense for me, if it comes with AWD and a new fast shifting 8 speed DCT because if you want a performance FWD car with a manaul transm.? there is, nearly the same, Civic Type R with less weight and less price out there.
Type S is for street performance, type R is for racetrack performance. Old type R models removed radios and air conditioners for an edge. Type S keep the features. Current models make perfect sense. The Civic type R is setting Nürburgring records, so clearly the manual and FWD are not a problem. These are enthusiast cars punching above their weight, the manual is a no brainer.
Acura is off something real good if they don’t put at least a DCT in it. No AWD is gonna be a bummer if it happens but they need to change the transmission if they’re gonna offer an automatic version. No AWD is less important (at this rate) than not having a CVT. I know someone who went for an ILX over an Integra for this reason. It’s really got to be different this time. The new Integra was bad enough, this is the last chance for Acura to make up with the Type S. The DCT sadly may be unlikely if the productions tools for it went away with the discontinuation of the ILX. Edit: just saw the video. 6-speed only. Come onnnnnn I know manuals are better, but I needed a nice auto daily driver… not a WRX. Oh well. Not much different from a Type R either imo. We’ll have to see if it gets AWD at least to Differentiate later on
Definitely a future collectors item that will hold value. Probably never going to be another petrol powered performance compact from Honda after they go electric following this model generation.
People bash Acura so much but Acura is the only company i see who are willing to take a risk. All these new models looks the same with a different body kit aka BMW so hands down to Acura for this Integra and the TLX type s they on the right path
Exactly. What people should’ve been complaining about was Acura’s previous lineup of boring cars. Now their cars look good and have performance variants. They didn’t have those for the previous generation of vehicles
@@curiosityredpill7030 Acura finally waking up has nothing to do with the Koreans. They had the most boring lineup with their previous generation and they realized that they had an identity crisis
Why aren’t you comparing this car to competitors in the luxury space? Most ppl buying this want a luxury street racer. They are looking at Volvo, MB, Audi, BMW, Lexus and Honda possibly VW. Not Toyota and Hyundai
This is the only car I would consider replacing my current vehicle with but I hope the dealership don't ruin the car with mark ups/"market adjustment". Really hope I can get one.
@@tsuk2430 I have an Elantra GT Sport and I noticed that most cars don't have as much features. I have all the safety features, leather, DCT, turbo, wireless charger, android auto, heated and ventilated seats. Really the only thing it's missing is a head up display and a digital gauges. That's pretty much the only update I would get for a new car and of course more power.
Yup. I would gladly turn in my Civic next year for a DCT version of this. Im not taking it to the track. Just would like a step up to my car. Shame Honda is stuck on manuals for their better cars. They would kill the competition if they offered automatic options.
I am still enjoying my ‘23 Integra 6 speed apex blue. The added 5 hp is to compensate for probably a heavier car than Type R. I am just hoping that the Type S will sell near or at msrp compared to Type R which is like $10-20k marked up around here in Seattle. I am very comfortable with my Integra and amenities are fully loaded. I am excited to see this when it starts getting in the dealerships. GR Corolla is like Type R, way marked-up
@@porfiriato84 nice name, be original. It’s not about having the money to buy a car but if it is worth paying the price for one. Be smart which I don’t think you are
Why are y'all hating on the man for liking the Integra Type S? I like the Integra Type S. Just because you sorry simpletons can't get a car built the way you want it to be like the old days doesn't mean Honda/Acura are going to listen to you less than -5%ers crying for a coupe and an automatic will cater to those of you who will never be able to afford one in 2023 even if they did. Get lost 🤡🤡🤡
I was considering moving on to Genesis after the lease on my Sonata N-Line is up, but now that one may just be on my list with that output … good grief! 🔥
Hey Kirk, it would be _really awesome of you_ to add power-to-weight ratios to your spreadsheet. It ignores gearing and gives a much better idea of useable power than 0-60 times. For example, the power-to-weight of the 2022 Si (7ish 0-60) is close to the 2014-2016 228i (low to mid-5's 0-60), and feels very nearly as quick when in gear. Quicker with a mild tune. Of course they won't be perfectly accurate due to manufacturers underrating their power (I cheated and used actual crank output for the cars in the above example) but being in the ballpark is good enough. Steering ratios would be cool too, but those can take some digging.
Four wheel drive makes a difference. Compare the TLX Type S to the Civic Type R for power to weight and then compare 1/4 mile times. The type R has a better power to weight , but covers the 1320 in a similar way as the TLX Type S.
If they make this in good volume to order, it will be well received. I bought a $101k Boxster T this fall. You wait a bit but you get one at MSRP. I dont want your Integra S from your dirty lot with options I did not want. I do not want to spend one second hunting for one at dealers, or motivating a dealer to swap cars for one. I am buyer with the funds to buy more expensive stuff. Raise the prices of GR Corolla, Type R, etc. at MSRP. Our group of buyers do not spend one dollar over MSRP.
I'm so excited for this! Not sure if I heard correct but apparently it's only releasing in manual transmission. If it's less than 50k (tlx type s territory) I'm sold!!!!!
If the Integra Type S is $1 over $50K MSRP - consider it DOA. Car prices have become absurd and in no way, shape or form can be justified. People's incomes have not grown or reflect this change. Without ANY explanation, the Type R went from $37K to $44K, and that's before dealers get a vice grip on your head and pop your eyes out with ADM (think Dogs in Casino). Also, 320HP on a FWD, LSD or not, is borderline unusable. Totally missed opportunity not having SH-AWD and 10AT/8DCT. People who have that kind of money and want performance luxury want options. Acura is marketing this at 25 years old yuppies who can't even afford the Si.
The 2021 R was 39k and the new chassis R is 44k - most 2021 R buyers paid well over sticker for their R and the 2023 R is no different These are limited production cars and all will easily sell 320 is far from being usable on this chassis MY R has 640hp and is my daily driver - you just have zero experience with these cars
@@prodnxbuit shouldn’t be a long shot. It should be a no brainer for Acura to make an RDX Type S considering the RDX is a huge volume seller for them. Stupid of them to take this long to even mention an RDX Type S which would arguably be the best Type S model they would offer
I tried getting a type r for msrp and in caus from 2 dealers in SoCal California. All cash no payments. Best offer I got was $55k but just couldn’t pay $10k over msrp😂😂😂 so I’m building a dc4 with type r swap fro ma dc5 Japan motor instead ❤❤❤
Yo that integra has like a mini widebody on it I like it it most definitely needs a duckbill spoiler on it. Hopefully they do put an auto/dct on it , it really would sell Krazy and put that car on the map. Honda/Acura got to wake up and stop sleeping
What I’ve been saying, only think keeping me from getting one as a daily is the lack of a 2 door option, I already have a 4 door and since I had an rsx, I’d love another Acura coupe.
IMO there’s too big a gap between the regular Integra and Type S. the base version should have come with a detuned version of the 2.0T, making at least 220-230 hp and a similar torque figure.
@Andrew S Yes. The Integra should've been more aligned with the gti, and the type s with the golf r(that means awd!). Personally, I would never purchase a high powered front wheel drive. I've had a few civic si's, and even they lacked traction with much less power.
@@chhoylait’s the only way the Integra could come to fruition and be somewhat profitable. It’s a business after all, and what’s a business without profits, especially after losing so many sales due to chip shortage
Imo what they should’ve done is keep the 1.5t for the base, then for the ASpec tech use a detuned 2.0t with around 230hp and price that around $35k and then the Type S with 320hp at $47k. So now, nobody is left out and the ASpec would have an actual performance increase over the base instead of just being an appearance package.
If "Civic type-r but nicer interior" is our estimate for price: At ~48k comparing the competition Acura is in a sweet spot. Nothing at or below it's price outdoes it in most or all categories, and something gets sacrificed. Whether it's interior quality, non-track drivability and ride quality, practicality and space, manual transmission availability, fuel economy, or power. The only real exception is if you actually like the Golf R infotainment. At which point..... Type R is priced just above a 230i coupe (forget the Gran coupe), but it out powers, under-weights, and over performs on track all while offering a manual and more practicality. Step up to the 240i coupe and you get the power advantage, but at a 5k premium and again no manual and less practicality. If you step up to the 3-5 series for more space, or the M2 for the manual transmission, the price is going to jump dramatically.
Love seeing people describe what they want in the Integra/ITS as exactly what is offered in the TLX /TLX Type S. So glad the ITS is manual only. The brand needs to maintain something of an enthusiast spirit.
@Ribbles curious to what makes you say that, my friend has one with a light tune and it seems fun being the passenger and driving it for a couple minutes (mostly just enjoying the power in a straight tbh)
@@amirparvez5415 It's fun, but only in the straights. In corners and driving legal(ish) speeds, it just feels heavy and isolating. I had a 2015 228i prior to the M240i, and it was a lot more fun than the 240. The test drive sold me, though, because it was a great route that showed off the power. After 2 years of boredom, I traded it for a 2022 Si, which is a blast just driving to the grocery store. Lightness is everything. Once the kids are driving, I'll probably trade it for a BRZ or used Cayman.
Yup. The extra HP only to make up for added weight from the extra “features”. It’s just a Civic markup fighter. Like people went for the Integra because of Si markups, the Type S is for Type R markups. Honda is making profit both ways.
@@RelaxAndSmokeMeth I already have a dealer that's doing only $5k over MSRP when they arrive. I haven't been able to find a CTR for less than $10k over.
Integra type S never did before. '21 TLX was the first AWD (and automatic) type S vehicle. The only others are the '22 MDX and 22 NSX, all built ground up to be AWD. Integra has always been based off the fwd civic.
@@markcoopers1930 honestly the type r they jack the price up to 50-60k and the integra isn’t cutting it, it still won’t be worth buying cuz ur just getting an Acura badge instead of Honda.
The top spec Integra in Canada is 45,000. Another 10,000 for the type S. Cars are already becoming way to expensive. As an ILX owner, I was shocked to see how much more expensive the Integra is then my car. I have been with Acura for 10 years and now must consider less expensive options. First world problems, but still disappointing.
Same problem here.. Had my 2019 ILX for 4 years and wanted to upgrade to the integra but way too expensive for what it is... Looking into the WRX or Mazda 3 turbo for now.
So you that a 2008 TL Type S was $39k? In todays dollars that’s $55k, about as much as a TLX-S. Cars have always been expensive. You just aren’t old enough to understand that
I can't wait to test drive one when it comes in, luckily I've worked for Acura for 15 years and will be able to get it out on the road as soon as it gets PDI'd.
Funny, i haven't even seen a TLX Type S since last year and there's a dealer like 20 mins from me. And to hav this Intergra come out as a Manual is jus Silly Dumb.. They really should hav brought out the 8spd auto. They will Overhype this car like they did with the TLX T-R and it will Disappear the same way.. Such a shame those two cars could been a Cash Cow for Acura. TLX Type S should hav been a 375hp ttv6 Screamer. And a limited 450hp Type R Monster to go after the M3. Yeah, a lil short on Hp but still a good move.. Now the IT-S would b cool with 320hp manual & auto but make a Type R 390hp Terror. That will wake up the brand real Quick. But Honda always playing second fiddle. Oh, well, What's Next👍
Honda already sells the R which can easily make 700hp if you want - they don't need to offer a 450hp version when their 300hp version can handle more than double the power on stock clutch/trans/engine
Looks like ACURA listened and did this EXHAUST JUSTICE! ACURA should and need to be LEVELS above your everyday Honda.... LETS GO ACURA!!!!! also that ELS System still ONE OF THE BEST! audio systems in it's CLASS!
Hey. 5hp more is 5hp more. I'll take it. Anyone complaining that the FL5 Honda Civic Type R is -5hp less than the incoming Acura Integra Type S, all I have to say is sorry, not sorry. At the end of the day, whether it's a noticeable difference makes no difference. It's 5hp more. This is for the streets, backroads, and highway cruises. I am ready for the unveil. This is likely going to be the car that'll complete my 2-car lineup and I can't wait to get my hands on a brand new one.
Hahah Sadly I was one of those hoping for an auto. I just hate how in the past many great Japanese cars gets canned because they didn’t sell enough to compete with the euro sport cars, and all the euro sport cars embrace auto’s. I get that most enthusiast knows how to drive stick as I do as well, it just gets old after a while especially in traffic. I just hope they will bring a fast shifting auto trans, MAYBE a ZF trans?!?!?!?! But even not, I know we are heading into a recession, (as a note, the recession and sales was a few of the reasons why the original integra type r ended in the states) I sure hope that the type s does not die, just please bring and auto people and would buy them as it can be an alternative to a m235i or a S3.
They have no trouble selling every single Type R made with a stick shift and they make 5000 units per year - Type S will be the same as there are few luxury cars with a manual. Honda enthusiasts have made do with manuals since the beginning and if a civic can go high 6s@200+mph with a manual- it's not going anywhere Honda keeps it simple and cost effective - manual
There are like 10 cars that you can get in manual for a enthusiast… so no, let’s not get rid of one more… stupid idea, some of us don’t mind suffering in traffic in order to enjoy the open roads to the fullest. Over 10 years driving stick daily in the busiest city in the world and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
On a unrelated note: did anyone hear that Mitsubishi might kill off the Outlander Sport? And have the Eclipse Cross cover the area where the Sport once was? If so that would be really sad, the Eclipse Cross is s unrefined vehicle at best. I wonder what the long term future is for them in North America.
Same. I hoped it was going to be offered with at least a CVT (even!) if the DCT wasn’t going to be offered at all. Something was better than nothing in this case…
As much as I want a 10 speed / DCT option on the Integra, it's just not going to happen with Honda's current business practice. Integra follows the Honda universal platform model, so it will be either 6 MT or CVT in its available configurations. Honda has no big incentive to invest in the design dollars needed to get a 10-spd/DCT into the Integra. I agree that doing so would attract more purchasers (GR86 has a 70% take rate on its AT vs. MT, for example), but I don't think it'll be enough to make it worthwhile for Honda.
@@brandonperlow9091 I totally agree, but I understand Honda's viewpoint. They don't have enough incentive to invest the research/design dollars in the sedan market. All the dollars are going to the crossovers and SUVs.
@@bellesogne Oh no doubt. They should have done that years ago. Its probably why the GTI/Golf R still have a market. I expect to see less sedans the next few years, and we'll be lucky to have small cross-overs :(
They don't need more demand - these will all sell with manuals easily 😂 Fun to drive, engaging, less weight, better fuel mileage and less ownership cost
@@ii_dynasty Yeah that was a little ridiculous of a conclusion imo. A-spec manual is 3,073lbs with the Civic Si at 2952lbs. So 121lb weight difference. Even if you say 150lbs from the Type R's 3,188 it still gets you 3338lbs. My money is on ~3285lbs. I think they try to cut it to just under 100lbs for the difference considering the "class-leading power to weight ratio" comment.
I think the Civic looks better. Honda did such a good job with the front end of this gen Civic. But with Civic Type Rs and even Si marked up the wazoo, the Acura options might prove to be the better value.
Both. The Integra will be heavier, there's little doubt the engineers let it run a little harder. But it came out pretty early that the CTR was underrated. Especially since the type S isn't meant to be a racetrack version like the type R is.
If only they would offer an AWD version with the ability to turn off the front wheels and make it into a strictly RWD bias car would be the icing on the cake.
Why not invest the R&D and give us the 10 speed auto/ AWD? if you had to take the RDX/TLX base engine tune and couldn’t give us higher ratings because of suspension complication, that would’ve been fine but then the price should’ve been reflected and possibly came in under the Type R (which wouldn’t make sense but yeah) why not make the integra type s an alternative to the golf r w the DCT, Honda not doing enough with their products and charging a lot of money is a trend: new crv: no: pano sunroof, ventilated seats, heated rear seats and 39k on top trim, something like the Sport-L accord has no rear seat air vents and costs more than the EXL, Honda also didn’t give the EXL/ sport L accords the 8 speaker ‘premium’ audio system From the CRV EXL, the fucking civic doesn’t get any adjustable lumbar support at all( really this vehicle came out for the 2022 model year who’s still manufacturing power seats without lumbar) also on all of the competitors you basically don’t have to exclusively go to the top trim to get stuff like premium audio, but you do for Honda, make it make sense they’re less of a value than they’ve ever been before not saying Toyota is exactly cheap but yeah
Dc2 GSR and Type r all had manual transmission. Dc5 RSX Type s all had a manual transmission. Honda usually stick with their heritage just like how the CTR has always been 4 passenger vehicle.
@@bb5242 DCT would still make it up for acceleration. For folks who dont care about racing , A DCT is a great alternative. Maybe the only reason GolfR and GTI are still relevant.
If they can deliver an Integra Type S this quickly, surely they'd be able to deliver on an RDX Type S as well. At this point, I doubt that we'll even get one..
wheel arches could have been morphed into the body panels ! I guess they went for old school wide body type wheel arches style... It sounds superrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrb 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I think they'll see the demand and will be listening and hearing about awd just like how we thought toyota left us in the dark only to give us a gr corolla by surprise. Revision 2 of integra will more likely give an option. There's. Tunnel room on the type r and access for a cradle diff and axles.
This could be exciting but I'm already the owner of a modded 21 Type s which pulls fast & hard, but with this Integra Type S it will be lighter so I'm looking forward to seeing it at my local dealership
Hey make your spreadsheet a larger part of the screen. Don’t really need to have your face occupying half the screen. Could hardly see anything on my phone
Get a TLX type S in any color other than Metallic Steel Gray and it's 56k with no manual option. It's also weirdly smaller on the inside than the Integra, both cargo and passenger space. They're two different vehicles, one's a hot hatch, the other is an executive 2+2 with a little spice.
This might save Acura because right now, nobody cares about Acura’s. Not even soccer Moms. But $50k+ is pushing it. German cars are so much more enticing at that price.
I have yet to even see a new Acura Integra here in Southern California. Am I blind or are people just not buying them? I thought they've been out at dealers for a while now?
Uninformed buyers I suspect. We bought an ASPEC Integra for less than a civic touring hatchback. Waited months for allocation on the civic hatch that has a markup. We started looking for alternatives. Walked in the Acura dealer and got an integra the next week at MSRP.
Yeah that would be too much. But hell the civic Type R is already 44k. Regular integra is already 7 to 8k more than the Si. Add AWD another 2-3k. It would be around 10k more than the civic type R.🤷 unless you think a civic type R at 44k is priced fairly. Perhaps 50k? But look at the Morizo GR corolla. That's already over 50k. That's like saying why buy a Morizo instead of the supra 🤷 or why buy the GR86 over the base GR corolla🤷 it's called having options
