Especially when it happened so close to the start of the episode. If only Kate had died, and/or if it happened near the end of the episode, I wouldn't have been so sure
I knew that since the opening trailers with the planets turned to Dust and the Doctor screaming... ...What I was hoping for was there to be a *cost* to reverse the damage.
They never bothered explaining the reason Ruby can make it snow either. I get the impression the writers changed their minds about who Ruby's mum was going to be.
@@simchar4263yes but it didn’t just snow in the time window it snowed everywhere Ruby went throughout the series and there is no explanation for it if Ruby and her mum are just normal people why did it always snow when Ruby thought or her.
The whole thing with Ruby being the most normal person on Earth made sense to me. That's the point of the show: there's nothing unimportant. The problem is... They didn't explain the snow, the mystery, Carol of the Bells, NOTHING. It's not like Ruby's mum had to be a deity or something, we just wanted some paradox/supernatural reason for all of it. Was it all done by the Doctor in retrospective? Makes more sense than absolute NOTHING! 😢
The best part imo is Ruby breaking the TV screen, sacrificing her chance of knowing who her mother was after all that has happened. And those 73 Yards callbacks... This NEEDS explanation BUT was pretty fun!
@@alexowen5987I agree but ultimately that scene where she breaks the tv screen was meaningless in the grand scheme of things because she still found out who her mother was.
@@ThetaSigma-vu1skbut why though? Lots of people have “powerful memories” they don’t physically manifest 🤷 And if she’s just a “normal person” why/how is that happening?
I understand this perspective and the message Russell is trying to give, but the moment Russell lost me was the pointless dramatic pointing at the sign, who would dramatically point at a sign when no one is watching to name the child they just abandoned? Then there’s the build up; the mum being mysteriously cloaked and whose face couldn’t be looked at. The hidden song in her soul Maestro spoke about. The ability to make it snow. Death + death = life (stupid idea imo), same vibe as multiplying any number by 0. There were enjoyable moments but it was such an anticlimax of an episode. I felt like the message of us making ordinary people important might’ve been a dig at religious people who worship prophets etc, and I think it’s a clever point, but it didn’t belong in this Doctor Who story.
my biggest issue with the finale is that we didn't end with a shot of santa crashing through the wall before a giant "doctor who will be back on christmas" like every RTD finale beforehand
It was underwhelming for me too. They made Sutekh WAY TOO powerful, then WAY TOO weak to defeat him, and he also barely appeared in the episode. Sutekh's defeat was ridiculous! I could recreate Sutekh's defeat using my dog, my dog's leash, and my TARDIS pen holder. Ruby's mum being a random woman makes no sense. Why couldn't Sutekh see Ruby's mum? I know The Doctor said that by thinking Ruby's mum was important, he and Ruby made her important, but it's just ridiculous that someone like Sutekh couldn't see right through that and discover who Ruby's mum was. Why did the snow keep falling? What was causing it? What was The Carol of The Bells playing from Ruby's soul about? Why did Ruby's mum point at the road name as if someone was watching? I'm pretty sure no-one in 2004 was watching her do that. Did she see The Doctor and think that hecould name Ruby, so she pointed at the sign as a hint? Probably not, because she WAS pointing at The Doctor, and not at the sign. That's not even all of the questions we didn't have answered! It makes no sense.
And, for whose benefit was she pointing? She couldn't have seen the Doctor, she certainly didn't talk to him. As far as she knew she was alone in the street.
@@Skiamakhos That's one thing I was wondering. If she could see The Doctor though, why was she pointing at him and not pointing at the sign behind him?
@@Adamairballbut wasn't it already established in the Christmas Story how she got her name? Which makes the pointing to the road sign utterly pointless 😂
How come the older ruby in 73 yards never found her birth mother? If the dna testing in 2046 is mandatory, why did ruby never find her in that episode?
I think we can at least say it didn't happen because he resigned before he could really get into power long term. But in the normal unaltered timeline, he's in there longer and is able to implement the policy. I can at least give that a pass since it was an alternate timeline where something possessed that PM and pushed for the nuclear weapons thing, rather than just a terrible person who made some questionable policy decisions that got the greenlight like the forced DNA thing.
What I want to know is...why did Ruby's Mum decide the correct method of naming a child, is to stand in the middle of a road and silently point at a sign for 20 seconds? Absolute loon.
Ha! I'm guessing that, dressed up like that in a huge, Trickster-like hooded coat, she was cosplaying. That's the only reason I can think of that a 15 year-old would wear something like that, especially when she was abandonning her baby.
- Why didn't they just go to 2046 right at the start of the series? - Why did it actually snow? - Why bother pointing at the sign? Nuns didn't see her so no one would know she was naming her - What happened to Sutekh when the TARDIS was split? - What happened to the memory TARDIS? - 14 and Donna must have been turned to dust, wonder what he thought of that lol - Sutekh was mystified by this random woman even though he could see ALL of time and space. Why couldn't he see 2046 when the mum took the DNA test? Surely he could find out who she was It was all very meh tbh We NEED a Susan cameo this era, surely!
The Memory TARDIS probably disappeared as Ruby destroyed the screen, as it was what kept it living... But still, the whistle, intelligent gloves and rope didn't (they came from it), so... who knows! Also, I think we'll see the main Susan Triad again in UNIT, but no more alter egos, as they were created by Sutekh everywhere the Doctor went, and now that he's gone there won't be anymore Susan Twist characters around. Hopefully.
- Why did they not head straight to 2046? Because if they actually filmed them actively trying to reach Ruby's mum, the whole story arch would have ended in one episode, so they had to drag things out and make them not bother until the finale
My thoughts. Yes its a lot. Dont read if you dont want to: Not a terrible episode but a bit underwhelming. Perhaps we all got swept up in the fan theories and hype train but I was just hoping for more. Considering the build up of Sutekh's return in the previous episode, he felt a little underplayed in this episode. He was just kinda there. The threat wasnt so much Sutekh but rather his dust which just isnt the same. Instead of seeing Sutekh destroy the universe we got a Flux 2.0 Sutekh's obsession with Ruby's mother was random. He is a great god of death and he's on the edge of his seat wanting to know who Ruby's mum is. If it was that simple, just shove on a series of the Jeremy Kyle show and give Sutekh a cuppa. Sorted. His defeat was also a little rushed. The doctor just put him on a leash and took him for a walkies through the time vortex. All the while, this is reversing all of Sutekh's dusty death clouds. Very convenient. And the mystery around Ruby's mother. I actually dont mind that she's just an ordinary woman. Honestly, its probably better to make it less complicated but.... If Ruby's parents (and in turn, Ruby, herself) is just regular old human, why the hell could she make it snow? And why was there such build up of a big mystery across the series? Ruby's mum pointing at the road sign was lazy story writing. No one was even there to watch her point so why point at all? And again, to set it up like its going to be a part of the plot to just go "yh she was just aggressively pointing at a road sign". Underwhelming. The whole episode just left me a little unsatisfied. Hit and miss at times which sums up the whole series for me. Great ideas but a bit underbaked overall.
This is Russell T Davies all over he has some really good ideas but just doesn't know how to write a complete science fiction story in the words of Christopher Eccleston it's time for him to go
The whole thing is a bait and switch. Remember the Maestro: "this child is very wrong" and "the oldest one? why was HE there!?" filled her with dread. She wasn't referring to Sutekh, because she was happy about him, "he's almost here!" Then there's Mrs Flood, Isaac Newton's Maverty mystery, and WHY did Tennant come back in the first place? Finally, the Doctor's explanation doesn't work for why Ruby's moment was timeless. There's more to this story....
shes a normal girl, which is a fine twist, BUT! Why does it snow?????????? whyyyyyyyyyyy russell. you cant just subvert expectations without accounting for red herrings, that is just slop.
Ruby's mum being ordinary is still ok but... pulling Sutekh like a dog by a leash(molecular bond thingy whatever...) is not done...You can't just defeat Sutekh like that... And why is the eternal time corridor suddenly synonymous with the time vortex of the Tardis? It took over 700 osirons to trap Sutekh and a single osiron is more powerful than Time Lords... Sutekh is supposed to have evolved into a powerful Titan according to Tales of the Tardis episode... So how😑? Although I liked that Sutekh produced a version of S Triad in every adventure since the Pyramids episode...
@@user-jr4mw9wi1cIt strongly reminded me of the Flux ending episode when the Doctor jumped away from S Triad just like the 13th doctor moved away from Swarm's hands in the Division Ship... Only difference between Flux and this is that in Flux the damage was not reversed and here it was reversed...
Also, why does Sutekh care about what the Doctor thinks about Ruby's Mum... The Doctor was like an "ant or termite" compared to Suketkh's humanoid form(to quote from the pyramids episode)...
What a load of complete bollocks! If we are to believe that Sutekh was hiding in the TARDIS since 1975, does that mean there's another Sutekh in a garden in North London with Doctor 14? That's after all is the original TARDIS? If Ruby's mum is a nobody and Ruby is a human, why the snow and the music and all the mysterious garbage we've had to endure. This rubbish is an insult to people who trusted in RTD to deliver something better than an episode of EastEnders. Count me out for next season.
The 14th doctor: Soo, Rose. How was unit? Rose: Oh we just deal with the god of sand and death why? **Cut to the doctor come face to face with another Suteck** 14th Doctor: Just a guess
That point is a grain of sand in a desert of bollocks. The Doctor went to Pete’s World (twice), so did the ‘Dust of Death’ wash over Pete’s World too? At Darlig Ulv Stranden and London? Pretty lucky the Master didn’t dicover Sutekh when he cannibalized Tennant’s TARDIS into a Paradox Machine (and left it that way for a year). When Davros made the Reality Bomb, why didn’t Sutekh emerge and help him? Surely the “destruction of everything” would be a positive for Sutekh, no? When the Silence destroyed the TARDIS, did they destroy Sutekh? Why didn’t Sutekh make himself known then? The Cracks in time and erasing people’s personal history sounds like an even better outcome for Sutekh. Also, that means when Amy Pond ‘remembered’ the Doctor and TARDIS back into existence, she also saved Sutekh. Whoops. When the TARDIS materialized inside itself, does that mean Sutekh materialized inside himself? When ‘The House’ invaded the TARDIS back in Series 6 and the TARDIS’s soul vacated it, how did Sutekh not get exposed then? Surely the House would have sensed him. For that matter, why wasn’t the TARDIS’s soul ever aware of Sutekh? She really never noticed anything? Even after she was kicked out and brought back in? In the original Trenzalore timeline when the Doctor died and the TARDIS became his grave - what did Sutekh do after that? Was he still there just twiddling his thumbs? Speaking of Trenzalore, why didn’t Sutekh do anything for 900 years while the Doctor was stuck there? Seems like it could be a good time to take advantage of the war and spread death. When Capaldi’s TARDIS shrunk in Flatline, did Sutekh shrink with it? When the Time Lords confiscated Capaldi’s TARDIS after Face the Raven, did none of them discover Sutekh? With all of their technology and wisdom? When the Monks created their simulation, was Sutekh a part of it? They knew about the Doctor being blind from an adventure in a future time period that hadn’t happened yet but not an incident in Egypt that happened on Earth in 1911? Did the Kasaavin know about Sutekh when they were forcing their way inside the TARDIS? Why didn’t Sutekh intervene to stop the Doctor from stopping the Flux. Seems like Sutekh, Tecteun, and the Swarm wanted the same thing. Also, the Flux and the compromising of the Mouri severely messed with the space/time reality of the TARDIS. Did that affect Sutekh? If Sutekh planted a version of Sue Triad everywhere the Doctor landed, then where was Sue Triad in Wild Blue Yonder? I guess the Not-Things weren’t aware of Sutekh? Also, I love the casual mention of Skaro dying. It would have been genuinely interesting if the Doctor had to team up with the Daleks themselves just to stop Sutekh. Or the Toymaker for that matter.
Eh. I'm willing to believe there will be a nail in that plot eventually. Although I gather the snow was meant to be a side-effect of the time-window. They did say that this technology could alter the past (they just didn't have the means to do so) and a tardis, a nexus event and all that could count. What I don't understand is how this connected to Gremlins trying to eat her? Were they servents of Sutekh? Nah. 100% Ruby is coming back next season, her story ain't over yet.
I'm too knackered to make any coherent comments, didn't get to sleep til about 3am after watching it at the cinema. But so far I’ve agreed with EVERY one of your points. Yes, really enjoyed it in the moment, but I think that’s more because it was a great night out, rather than a great episode.
This is part of the reason why I think the lower episode count was a bad idea. In NuWho, it gave the seasons time to build up and develop their finales, and I think that’s why a lot of RTD’s previous finales are so loved and epic. The worldbuilding combined with the hint
That’s exactly how me and my dad felt, we didn’t watch legend of ruby Sunday so we could watch both for the first time at the cinema. We really liked legend and had loads of reactions, by the time empire of death finished we were underwhelmed and didn’t know how to feel. Everyone we spoke to at the cinema was disappointed sadly and we didn’t know how to feel. Killing everyone especially main characters like Kate was so ballsy and we were like omg but when they came back to life I was like ffs not again it could have made such a bold statement. The killing of Sutekh felt so easy and wierd like sutekh was a bold to ride on the TARDIS for all those years and then died then. I’m so sad because I was so excited and really wanted to love it
Im sorry dude i didnt even imagine what it must be like to watch those two episodes back to back because the leadup to kates death must have felt greater and then the quality taking a nose dive mustve sucked so much worse
Excited for your video! I'll be waiting! Throughout this season i've started to head to your channel immediately after each episode. You dont really hate on things even if you don't like them that much, and that's what I need for my Who experience, I love the vibes thank you
I don’t think the “random” memory loss woman was random. It was a lovely scene showing the on going terror of what was happening at a personal level and I do wonder if Brindle Dee is significant.
That whole scene felt like I was watching something from the chibnall era: characters that won't matter again in a scene out of nowhere that just distracts from the main plot
It was random, it introduces too much that is never brought up again so the reader has NO IDEA what to focus on. She mentions the "deathwave" (never brought up again), that metal is a precious resource, the caravan leaving to find food, losing her memories, and then its never touched on because after this leads straight up to the sutekh defeat and we never see any consequences that link to this again.
Me too my theory was her Mother is the Queen of Faries maybe Mother Nature himself. I was a Disponent from the Finale i really hoped we get a explain why Ruby can make snow.
@jeckjeck3119 I thought that Ruby will be revealed as Horus (good "god" and opposite of Sutekh) daughter. That would explain the snow and her powers. She was sent to defeat Sutekh since Horus and his good buddies are gone. But nope...wasted potential and lazy explanation from RTD.
In typical Disney fashion they where inclusive for one episode then ignored her for the rest. Not sure why they made her non binary when she's clearly female presenting too!
The amount of plot holes for me is what bugged me when rose took the time vortex she literally said I see everything in time and space everything that was and yet to come but didn't see him attached to the tardis 😂
This was a giant plot hole! Even if the TARDIS herself didn't realise in The Doctor's Wife, Bad Wolf could literally see everything that was and could ever be and yet she didn't notice a big old doggo sitting right behind her in Parting of the Ways. RTD seems to have completely plot-holed his own first run.
My grandma died Wednesday and when we went to the nursing home they gave my mom her belongings in trash bags. That's how I felt after watching this finale. The level of disrespect.
I think he’s dragging out the payoffs, he’s still going with the 73 yards stuff etc. Eventually I bet we get answers, he’s more reliable than Chibnall at least lol
I mean, was it disappointing? Yes. But has Russell dropped the ball on finales before. Absolutely yes. The Sound of Drums has that absolute ass pull of an ending.
@@NickwBush I don’t know if pay offs in the right phrase. We will get a series of moments that will be fully ignored for some other new thing and the moments will be explained away by some “snow is hope” bullshit.
@@NickwBush Maybe RTD is planning to address these issues, but in that case, he should have dropped a hint at that. Just acknowledging the existence of the dangling threads would have been enough. For instance, Ruby could have simply asked, "but what about the snow?", and whatever cryptic answer the Doctor would give (e.g., "maybe we'll find out sometime"), it would still be a sign from RTD to us, the audience, saying "I haven't forgotten that bit, and whatever he says, neither did the Doctor. We'll come back to this"
The reaction the 100s of cinema goers at my screening had at the end would shock The BBC, Bad Wolf & RTD to their core. Virtually utter silence apart of some vocal negative reactions & expletives at the explanation for Ruby & the snow ❄️ I expected some excited chatter but it didn’t really come. It didn’t cause positive conversations with my party of ppl afterwards similar to your group's reaction at the end. The Atmosphere on leaving was that of a wake compared to the excitement at the interval. I'm still trying to comprehend that explanation for Ruby & the lack of explanation for the snow, a 15 year old girl wearing a hooded cloak from The Traitors & pointing at a street sign in front of no one in the vicinity in 2004 to name her child 🤯, Maestro calling Ruby "very wrong" & having a xmas song deep within her soul. I'm still in shock! I knew Sutekh would be tricked so thats by the by but if you have had such a build up for Ruby & got that I can tell you it felt so flat. The impact of Ruby briefly leaving did not feel earned after the many missing adventures we did not see & the 6 month time gap we heard about in "The Devils Cord" The ludicrous explanation that Ruby had been travelling for 6 months before landing on her very first planet in "Boom" is now so disjointed. This felt like a good first draft finale to be worked & developed on by RTD that he ran out of time to complete. The 8 episode run goes some way to explaining so many rushed decisions but they are brushed away narratively over Rubys arc. It's the Ruby stuff that brings the whole ep down for me & it breaks my heart I feel this way 💔 Do not get me started on the numerous 4th wall breaks being completely unexplained either..
I agree with your point this felt like a first draft of a script as so many of the episodes have this series. I thought they had a script editor???? Maybe he was too scared to say to Russell T Davie" none of this makes sense mate let's start again". I think Russell T Davies thinks he can write any old crap and people will love it and thinks he is a god. He needs to go and we need new blood in the series with people who can actually write good science fiction and please can we have a mix of writers and story lines that make sense with a proper conclusion
@@jeckjeck3119 sutekh is superior to the toymaker, any trick from the doctor should be useless, just something on the tardis or maybe the tardis itself, but...
Why exactly was Rose Noble in these eps? How on earth could they not involve 14th Doctor somehow, was he turned to dust too? If so, wouldn't that impact on 15 being alive seeing as he's the same person?
Underused in these eps, but I reckon Kate, Rose and Ibrahim are all being set up as key players in The War Between The Land and The Sea spinoff that’s coming out, so they were largely there to establish who the key players at UNIT are at the moment
they actually "game of thrones" that ending, i've never been so fking disappointed! nothing was answered the stuff that WAS i reckon RTD was high on CRACK when he wrote the script.
Problems with ruby’s mom being normal average person: - Snow and music? - What did maestro mean when he said there was something wrong with her? - Why was the mom “beyond a glitch and shadowed” - Why did the memory of the doctor regarding the mom change? - The time window required the power of Europe to power up and was broken, it turned on magically when ruby walked in and then stayed on throughout the whole episode?!?!! - Why was the time window answering the questions? General plot holes: - why did the doctor need to get a spoon when the memory tardis was full of random metal? - so the doctors entire plan was based on the tardis not being moved/rotated? - if the doctor,Mel and Ruby were the last people alive in the universe why did sutekh care about the mom if she was already dead? - if a new Susan is created 73 yards away from tardis when the doctor lands somewhere then how can the mom of a character be a Susan?!?! - how does death to death bring life? Doesn’t really make much sense. - why was that random woman alive? Why did the doctor land there? These are some I noticed after first watching, if I rewatch I’d probably find a few more. Edit: Just rembered didn’t in boom the ambulance was unable to say who the mother was? Wouldn’t it know cuz of the dna test??? Might need to rewatch boom.
If the Doctor could go to 2045 cos he'd been there before so it was fixed...why couldn't he go to any other place he'd been before and get as many spoons as he felt he needed? And you really can't beat the big bad with a magic rope you happened to find 5 minutes earlier.
I was definitely a little disappointed in the finale, it felt like Russel was like "And this happens.... cause i say it does" i wouldn't say its bad, just underwhelming and not executed in a satisfying way. Thankfully its not such a let down to ruin the rest of the season for me. Id rate it above Space Babies and Rogue, which are the only two episodes i didn't like, but below 73 yards and Dot and Bubble, which are the only episodes i loved. As much as i could complain about things not fully making sense, at least this has been a solid season after multiple years of bad DW. Im still looking forward to season 2, just maybe not as excited as i could have been about it. I do also feel that, while i do enjoy the Doctor being more expressive with their emotions, they did kinda overuse it. By the time he was crying and screaming over a dead universe, there was just no punch left too it. The Doctor crying should really be left for especially big and terrible moments imo.
Atleast the entire universe and everywhere he travelled was a p big moment to cry about. Moffat started sum the crying doc era tbh. Like the peter capaldi episode where theres a flashback to him sobbing as a boy on gallifrey. Then clara overhears the voices saying he cries too much and will make a bad timelord
Sadly i think you are 100% right , but it reflects the whole season ,dispite more money and our showrunner of choice returning ,we deserve better. Lets hope the next season improves as it really needs to , we are 100% behind him but it is hard ,maybe we expect to much?
Boom, 73 Yards and Dot and Bubble were nice and strong, but RTD has to return to the weird sentimental, slightly anti-intellectual writing style in the end.
I kinda liked all the tools they used to beat sutekh were introduced in the 60th. The gloves, the rope and the whistle they got from the memory tardis. But yeah, doctor who finales tend to be underwhelming, so I just stop asking too much of them and just ride the feels. And it wasnt just a "leash", it was the combination of a memory imbued rope and the weightless gloves, so I can buy it. For me what killed sutekh was really the memory imbued leash but the doctor needed to drag him across the vortex all around so his "death" could "whisper" life into those places where the dust hit.
ms flood:''his story ends in absolute terror'' also ms flood:night night😁 (like she didn't just drop the most insane piece of lore about the doctors story)
Being honest as a geek fan since 1975 when I was 5? They need to get rid of RTD, Bad Wolf Studios, Julie Gardner & Phil Collinson & get a new team in. Maybe a showrunner with a bit more 'ooomph' to them. A bit of grit to them. Maybe someone like Drew Goddard who did Daredevil. Oh, & give the bloody show to Netflix FFS.
Am I the only one really disappointed with the episode, considering who Ruby’s mother was, was the arc of the series the payoff was very disappointing. And if sutekh destroys every world the dr had visited, surely he would have heard about it. And if he destroyed earth in the past how could he destroy it in the now. And considering who Ruby’s mother turned out to be why was it snowing all the time, was that explained. Last week 9/10 this week 3/10. Ps I had to go for a longer than expected pee so might have missed some explanations.
Not the only one. The payoff for the showdown between the doctor and sutekh was so weak. They put a dog leash on him and lynched him to death with the tardis. ruby’s mom being human makes little to no sense unless her dad turns out to be the reason behind ruby’s “abilities”. That could be interesting but I won’t hold my breath.
You weren't the only one, I don't mind Ruby being an ordinary human being, but I was really pissed off that Sutekh apparently bought into the hype and kept the Doctor and Ruby alive to find out...God of death and destruction? or pussy-cat.
i'm heartbroken about it, i genuinely loved this season (except Space Babies) and i hated this episode. it felt like s8 GoT or Rise of Skywalker with how bad they fudged the ending
some of the writing felt very lazy and I wouldn’t mind if a few of the crying scenes were replaced with angry doctor scenes. The temple of death tardis was cool tho. Also the segway machine guns made me laugh.
Well, that was another lump of disappointment thrust upon us by RTD, and after such a good set-up too! So many questions left unanswered when he specifically stated that they would ALL be answered this time! Forget 'The Doctor Lies', more like Russel T Davies Lies!! At least we now know Mrs Flood is some sort of God-like being, with that speech about "Tell your maker I will come to storm down his gates of gold and seize his kingdom in my true name. I'm so, so sorry it ends like this. I had such plans. . . ." She could have been dead already, and that was a mini Sutekh speech through her, but I don't think so. Sutekh wouldn't say Sorry!
This season has been a real mixed bag. It opened with an episode that I would rank among the worst ever with Space Babies and finished with this. The were some high points in the middle but it just feels a bit mid at best. My concern would be that since Season 2 was basically done before anyone had even watched a single episode, there is no opportunity for course correction. They can't incorporate feedback from this season and this could mean Season 2 will be more of the same.
It's weird, the highs of this episode were as insane as I thought it would be, and the lows were just average Doctor Who padding without really adding much. I think Sutekh was a smidge wasted here with only a few great moments, and the way the day was saved came out of nowhere. I believe Sutekh could've been saved for Ncuti's final episode, built up over his whole run, very well foreshadowed, and leave the finale to season 1 as a truly personal and intimate story, maybe having some other villain take Sutekhs place.
As odd as it feels to say, I kinda had a realisation during the scene where they first take her DNA. It doesn’t matter who Ruby’s mother is , we’ll never be satisfied. As fans, our speculation and our dreaming and theorising trying to find the answers, create the mystery, they create disappointment, and I think that’s the point. We have over hyped this, because all this has ever meant is Ruby and finding her mother. She never wanted to find a god, or alien, just a normal person, we overhyped it by looking at Ruby’s powers, gained from her desire to find out who her mother is because it’s important, not to the audience or the doctor, but to Ruby. And so we guessed backwards and assumed her mother must be important too.
Im really struggling to understand any positives about this episode. Ive been defending this series since it started but theres nothing to defend here. Bro put sutekh on a lead and took him on a walk like holy sh*t wtf. So much build up throughout the series and most of it was just wasted on the "ah you thought that was gonna happen".
Sutekh could unshoot Scarman and Control an explosion with his mind while under the control or Horus, but smashing the VHS screen prevents him from seeing the name? He seemed less menacing in this episode then he did originally.
Russell NEEDS to watch this video, and get an unbiased reaction to the episode. Modern day writers hide behind Twitter being all hate, and ratings online being rigged, but this is an honest to god fan of your series, who has stuck around for the long hall, giving his honest reactions. The episode was bad, and a spit in the face to the fans who expected more from your show.
Not sure if its been mentioned. But 2 things i wonder. When the doctor split the tardis in the giggle. Is there two sutekhs? Or did he just have some foresight to choose one tardis. 2. What about when the doctor travelled to the parallel universe in RTDs original run? Did he spread there? I absolutely enjoyed the episode! Even if it felt a bit slow at points
This conclusion is a perfect example of how RTD just does not understand Classic Who... or Doctor Who for that reason. Also the Ruby Sunday story just sucks balls.
And clearly wants the fans with the same ideology as him to go after Pyramids of Mars for "Cultural Appropriation". Even the mention of it doesn't make sense story wise. He's obviously sees the story a problematic and needs vilifying.
Must just be me but i really loved it. Her mum just being normal and it was them making her seem like the most important special person ever is what ultimately led to Sutekh's down fall, it drove him crazy that he kcouldnt work her out. Ruby smashing the screen to distract him and using the powerful rope was a great idea. As for the finale scenes with Rubys mum, this really hit me hard in the feels. I was adopted at birth and looked for my mum for a year or so before getting to meet her, its the most emotional moment of my life, meetingmher that first time, her crying and me hugging her. She was made to give me up, 1981 she was 19, from a Catholic family and her unmarried and single. They felt shame because of religon telling them it was wrong. So that whole moment and then with her mum and rest of the family all being together, that was just so nice. My adoptive parents have now passed so only have my birth mum and half brothers etc.
Ms Flood is just Davies talking to us the viewer. It’s him stepping into the story playing the narrator. Ms Flood is just an avatar for Davies who’s the actual storyteller. Thus the repeated breaking of the 4th wall.
Knowing many people that have reunited with birth parents and the expectations they had beforehand, this wasn’t that crazy. It’s teaching us what’s more important, some hero to save the day or family.
For how Sutekh getting pulled through the time vortex managed to fix everything, it's quite simple. The Doctor used his powers of death to kill his dust of death. This tracks with how the other gods were defeated. The god of games being beaten by a game and the god of music being beaten by music. I quite enjoyed the finale. I do hope that next season gets a longer run. 10 episodes would be great, 12 is ideal
I’ve only just watched it. How did Sutekh get atop the 4th doctor’s Tardis? He was sent off in sone time corridor. The 4th’s Tardis was nowhere near’ for Sutekh to hop on. Seems very convenient rewrite by RTD.
Am I the only one who felt this ending was incredible, I have barely any complaints about it. The way they defeated Sutekh was fun and silly, exactly how it should be and Ruby never should've been a god or related to one because she's supposed to be relatable. So glad we still have some unanswered questions to look forward to as well like who Mrs Flood is. I personally think she's the Rani.
They build up so many plot points about Ruby though...why does it snow? Why is a god scared of her and thinks she's an error or something, why did the robot not get her dna? Just urg...
Let this rebooted season of what's known as 'Doctor Who' be a lesson to you all. This is what happens when Chat RTD2 AI is used to write scripts - incoherent half baked storylines.
Completely agree with most of your thoughts here. The one word that comes to mind for me is "inconsequential." Nothing that happens in this episode seems to actually matter. Sutek and his end-of-the-universe empire of death? Completely reversed. Ruby's mother? Just a normal woman. The mysterious pointing? Road sign. 73 yards? Perception filter...a reveal that is essentially meaningless, story-wise. Mrs Flood? Who knows, maybe find out next season. Let's also remember that the reveal about Ruby's mother came *after* they defeat Sutek and save the universe. Narratively, they're unrelated. All that's connecting them is that Sutek wanted to know who she was? Thing is we're not given any reason for why. If Sutek had *a reason* to want to find out who Ruby's mother was, if it mattered somehow, that would've worked, and the reveal that actually there's nothing important could've had something to do with his defeat. I then don't know how you do the reset-button ending in a satisfying way, but in any case this wasn't it.
I don't think they retconned Sutekh being the God of Death. Sutekh was a powerful Osiran that wished to destroy everything, and could. After his defeat in Pyramids of Mars he's been in the Time Vortex clinging to the Tardis and evolving. I assumed that had elevated him from a powerful man, to a powerful being. He's not a God in the normal sense of Doctor Who, but he has the power to do be considered one. He seems a bit different from the other "Gods". Toymaker has to be challenged in a game. Trickster has to make a deal. Maestro has to be summoned. The Mara was a gestalt entity that had to slowly take control of another being. Satan and Abaddon were trapped in supernatural pits. Sutekh is considered a God because he is just more powerful than any other God. He can just show up and kill everyone, and did. He hid because it meant he could evolve and then place acolytes at each place The Doctor went to so he could make his killing of the universe happen quicker than it would have if it were just him. He wasn't trapped, he didn't need some themed thing to happen so he could appear. He's the God of Death because he _became_ the God of Death.
I was genuinely confused as to what actually killed Sutekh, like what? I thought they were gonna do something clever like maybe they have to use the fact that the places the doctor has been are in stasis, so he has to enter his own time stream and take Sutekh to a place he already exists and get caught in his own dust. And yeah that doesn’t make him seem threatening whatsoever, but at least it would be an explanation!
I was disappointed that Cherry didn’t get her cup of tea! And they even rubbed it in by having Susan Twist make tea for the Unit staff! Even though it was bad, at least they still got tea! Also I’m so impressed with how they aged up Angela Wynter to play Cherry. I didn’t recognise her at all when I first saw her in The Church on Ruby Road. They already aged her up in Eastenders, and they made her look even older in Doctor Who. It always surprises me how young and glamorous she looks in red carpet photos.
I really enjoyed this finale, but maybe it was a matter of expectations. Since Moffat, I learned to not get over excited with a two part finale. So while I had expectations, I didn't had them too high and was mesmerized with many of the character moments Plus, it is possible a clone of Sutekh survives in 14's Tardis. So there's potential for a big finish story
The lady who gave the spoon is also a little mystery. Where did she fit? Hope that there is much to this as what Mrs Flood said towards the end. I still have a lot many questions. I was expecting Ruby's existence as a Predestination paradox.
I loved this season up until this finale. The GOD OF DEATH being defeated by a girl slowly looping a rope around its neck and then wandering back to the Tardis felt insanely cheap. And the Ruby "reveal" I don't think I can ever get excited for a Doctor Who mystery again.
Did anybody else notice the orchestration on the closing credits... Most of the modern series has had modified wiz bang theme tunes that simply pay tribute to the early series. This episode had literally the orchestration from the 4th doctor era, the original version that aired with Pyramids of Mars . . . Other than it being actually an orchestra instead of digital. But it was exactly the original credits!
My two biggest criticisms: 1. We're all CGI-weary at this point. A fully CGI villain like Sutekh just doesn't have the gravitas that practical effects do. I would have been more scared of a human actor in costume sized up to super-human stature and perhaps enhanced with CGI. 2. About the "kind woman": Beautifully shot and acted scene, but why was the spoon necessary? Cluttered as it was, certainly the Memory TARDIS wasn't completely devoid of anything metal, and all the talk about her baby seemed needless. It felt like an idea that just wasn't developed enough, or edited too much. 3. If Sutekh, described as the most supreme god, is defeated so easily, then what does that say about future villains? This should have been at least a three-parter, perhaps with Sutekh starting the destruction with the dust on the kind woman's planet; and the Doctor, Mel, and Ruby starting to see the effects and racing ahead to come up with a solution before it reaches Earth.
@@kevinpoole6233 they used a cord and a fking spoon. it was bad writing; Its a result of only having 8 episodes to a season instead of like 10-14 to actually TELL a story. Thats how its done now, Launch a season with fewer episodes because they still get paid by the network and the only people actually being shafted is the fans.
The problem with hyping and fan theories and spending a whole series then a whole week of anticipation is that we ultimately will be disappointed. They should have dropped both episodes together or done a whole feature length finale. I think it would have hit different. The pacing was off, unit fell too quickly in terms of build up for me.
it was really fun to follow the season along with your videos and thoughts! looking forward to more doctor who adventures and then coming back to this channel already ^^
It was good but it wasn’t great. There have been better season finales. The denouement felt contrived. Why Sutekh who has the power to wipe out life across time and space should be so troubled by the identity of a teenage mother abandoning her baby makes even less sense now that I typed it out. Millie Gibson really is a revelation as the Doctor’s companion. While Ncuti is a solid incarnation of the time travelling Time Lord, Ruby Sunday is brilliant as the companion. It’s a shame her story did not have the benefit of 13 episode seasons like Rose, Martha, Donna, Amy, and Clara. She is an old head on obscenely young shoulders. She should get awards for 73 Yards.
Mrs Flood was no shock, RTD loves throwing a red herring this time Ruby was the Fish RTD is back but does he really want to be back? We know his series finales can be hit and miss, I get you are trying focus on the plus points but the reality is he hyped up a lot of characters and the story let them down. One thing I do take away from this have we had the 1s nod he's going to be a 3 season Doctor? Flood saying about his ending was very ominous
Let me get this straight... The big twist is.. Her mother decided to abandon her daughter but rather than leave a note saying 'This is Ruby, for some reason I don't feel like keeping her' she decided to point at a random sign where no one, not even CCTV could see her to choose her daughters name? This is by far the worst writing I have ever seen in Doctor Who and probably in any media I have ever consumed. They answered nothing and the defeat of the villain made no sense, all of which they tried to cover up with the most cheesy morals of 'normal is special' and 'life beats death' neither of which remotely make sense in the context of the story....
they did explain how sutekh fixed everything kinda, though its also kinda dumb, they when death kills death, it breeds life, so when sutekh was going through the vortex he was killing death which was bringing back life, still found that explanation dumb but its what they choose to do
As someone who has been through “the sound of drums” “the power of prayer” “a planet named Christmas” “the doctor’s death/ the impossible girl” “the rain of steel” Everything regarding missy/ the master “The cyber genesis” “the shadows in the library” “the end of time” “heaven sent” “hell bent” “the raven” “face the angels” Basically every season finally up to now, WE DO NOT NEED MORE COSTS!!! We have loved and losts TOO MANY to get to this point, and I am tired of it!! We do not need to loose more people and more loved ones for the sake of the story, If pulling Sutekh through the time vortex is enough to vaporize him and cancel his sands of death, I’m perfectly happy taking that! We literally have the entire universe dying In front of us, we do not need MORE of a loss with that happening, and especially when working to fix it!
We also don't need another "Oh the entire planet/universe is in peril" plotline where you know it will get undone, because otherwise you won't have a show. It's fine to have a big stakes villain, but at some point the scale becomes too large that it breaks any suspension of disbelief and ruins the journey while knowing the destination.
so many issues, they took away any emotion and impact of the doctor being brought to tears, by showing him crying in every episode, they treated it like a filler episode with a full reset at the end even the guy who died in the last episode coming back, the 13 year old genius cannot do maths, we know ruby is 19 and he says your mom is 35 so she had you at 15, they could have just made her 34. it makes no sense they needed to go to 2046 to get the dna info when after the reset unit already had the dna info so adding the other full reset from 73 yards was pointless
I was underwhelmed by the ease of the defeat of sutek. At first I was surprised at the power of the villain as it killed off Kate, but the second it killed the planet all the stakes dropped for me as it was clear no one would actually die. Whereas killing off just Kate and some UNIT soldiers, while others perhaps bowed down to Sutek would have really helped to create more dread around the villain. The show also has not benefited from the 8 episode format as the fact the whole universe turned to dust wasn’t felt as it amounted to one scene and 10 minutes screen time. When the master destroyed half the earth in the series 3 finale we got another episode to see the gravity of this on characters, which leads to a greater payoff when he is defeated. Loved the performances of Ncuti and Millie once again but slightly underwhelming payoff to a solid set up.
@@robtron89u still have a good point. Sutekh was the biggest and worst of all the gods. Even made the toymaker run. And now if we do get more pantheon gods stuff we won’t feel the high stakes anymore because they easily defeated the biggest one
Sutekh could’ve been 15s big bad if this entire era is about the pantheon of the gods. We could’ve gone to some of the times the tardis went to try and prevent all these repeated dust deaths
Yeah the sanctity of life (as I like to call it) dialogue has been done but after so much of an awaiting climax that many are criticising, would we really be as hyped with the Trickster returning as we did with Sutekh? But yeah, Sutekh following the Doctor, didn’t like.
At least you're honest. The plot holes, goofy bad guy and unanswered season long questions along with another RTD "salad today, jam tomorrow" conceit left the whole thing flat.
I thought this was a perfect review! It really summed up all the issues about the episode. It's really clear that you wanted to like it and didn't want to be negative about it, which is lovely of you.
And why on Kasterion 3 in the far future would the ambulances not have records of Ruby's mother but Ruby if both their DNA data had been collected in 2043?
I don't think the stakes were low because the Doctor vowed. He does that often. For me the stakes were lowered because everyone and everything was dusted, so obviously they couldn't leave it like that. If only a few key characters were dusted, we would be more worried that maybe they wouldn't come back. As for why walking the dog brings everybody back, the explanation was that he was “killing death”, which, fair, I'll take it.
yeah Kinda reminds me of vampire lore. A vampire is like a "living corpse" ie death, they create death in other characters, in some legends killing the main vampire, removes the vampiric state on its descendants. So yeah, I think this makes sense in mystical story telling.
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