Oh Sanguk: Trouble - An Epic Sabre Compilation 

It's "Oh Sanguk" right?

@@christianalbertjahns2577 yes.

That’s the greatest post I’ve ever seen 👏🏻🙌🏼

More like Ohhh shit

😺👌

Isn't the song perfect???

@@sydneysabrecentre Why do I get the feeling “trouble” also has an underlying meaning for the ladies when they see him … 😏

Live? He's incredible live. First time I saw him fence I stood by the rail for five minutes with my jaw hanging open. Then I looked around and realised there were about 10 professional fencers next to me doing the same thing. This was when he was 18. Best overheard comment was "Shit, dude, if this kid ever learns how to fight properly we are all SO TOTALLY FUCKED." I guess that has now happened.

sydneysabrecentre yeah, live. My very first sabre event. Your videos got me into fencing and now Im hooked. (i found them looking for material for my Dance War thread in a martial forum) Already planing to make a couple of trips to see the next world cup events.

Roberto Calvo this makes me so happy. Genuinely. Thank you!!

Thank you! We've been working on this one for a long time.

Try competitive breakdancing oh wait

@@sydneysabrecentre lol best to stick with winter sports, something the Koreans suck at. Go for short track speed skating… OH S

time to turn to taekwondo...

Hope it lived up the hype.

sydneysabrecentre it sure did

^ ^

In the fullness of time, sure. These things take about 16-20 hours each to make and are strictly a hobby.

sam signorelli If this is attack no, then the rules of sabre are properly broken.

However, all of the varients of t.75 clearly state that an attack in sabre is correctly carried out if "the touch arrives at the latest when the front foot touches the strip." Hell...the first 2 slo-mo clips in the vid have Oh landing the front foot just after his cut starts, and WELL before the cut arrives. He gets away with it because of his speed and length....he locks out a lot of the time, rendering T.75 irrelevant. His actions are also so fast that, in real time, you can't see the foot land first. I've had this exact call made against me at US nationals with a ref with FIE credentials. Now, an argument can be made that an attack that is in progress -- the blade is heading towards target -- should retain ROW regardless of the landing time of the front foot, and I would definitely agree with that. But that is not a rule or ref interp...and I kinda wish it was

sam signorelli I can show you 1000 clips of Szilagyi, Montano, Limbach, Kovalev et al doing exactly the same thing (although less nicely) and getting the same call. Now I post a Korean kid doing it and everyone is all BUT T 75. 🤤 The rules are out of date and haven't been applied at A- grade for years. Why the sudden pearl- clutching?

If the rule hasn't been applied, removing it might be nice. Plus....Oh isn't Szilagyi, Montano, Limbach, or Kovalev...yet (looks like he might be, tho). The reputation touch IS a thing, no matter how much you try to NOT do it.

sam signorelli they should update it, but doing that is a monumental political nightmare. As it stands, everyone who plays the game for money knows exactly what the real rules are, so it works okay.

Very very long legs and hip mobility 😂

I think it's a spicy flunge with extra kick :P

Says it right in the description, but it's Trouble by Feed Me.

I'm not going to lie, I screamed.

workin' on it

@@sydneysabrecentre Szatmari ,please 🙏

유연한거봐 와..

Maybe. Need music tho. Honestly, that is the limiting step.

Go make one, then.

sydneysabrecentre not interested in satisfying your fan base?

Not with more Szilagyi, no. We feel he's not exactly having trouble getting publicity on his own.

Also, full disclosure, I got to within file-compiling distance from a Szilagyi part 2 just after Rio. Then the whole thing bugged out, file was lost, and frankly I was so mad that I couldn't face doing it again. These damn things take days, and I've got a club to run.

Heh, that's fair. Besides, the Koreans are certainly killing it these days.

Well it's a thing people say is true occasionally when someone asks, but it's not exactly what I'd consider a core philosophy of the game except for when we get drunk after training and start talking about how the best way to beat people like Oh Sanguk is if we all fight from motorcycles.

I see, I think I understand that. Honestly to me its just something I heard that sounds so wrong I just wanted to make sure its not just something that fits into a stereotype haha

It's a game. Games have rules. I don't think people really put much thought into it any more TBH, it's just how things work.

That I can get behind. I'm just a little too pedantic when it comes to history I think. You can probably imagine why that reasoning for the rule would sound quite silly

In historical military infantry sabre manuals then the whole body is obviously a target (it was life or death). I’d struggle to see why when gymnasium/sport/duel fencing on foot they’d apply a rule that might (doubtfully) apply to mounted fighting when perfectly good sources for fighting on foot existed. But then I struggle to see why they’d put any restrictions on target at all really. I think it’s probably just an explanation that entered the fencing world at some point and became a truism without much research being done it it’s validity. As an aside I think rules like ‘right of way’ which seem so bizarre if you think about actual sword play (an after blow can kill just as soon as a first hit) were initially put in place to try and maintain good technique when the repercussions of after blows were negated by light blunt sword. If your opponent is attacking you must defend yourself with good technique instead of merely trying to be the quicker of the two. Only they didn’t work in the way intended and in modern sport fencing are just an set of funny rules to work around.

They trained themselves.

And on a side note. Your music choice is amazing

Thank you. I've been sitting on this song for years waiting for him to earn a video, and Moscow was that moment. What makes him astonishing is the level of athletic talent, which really is unprecedented in men's sabre. His level of power and coordination lets him actually pull off movements that everyone else can normally only approximate. Watch the lunges in the first two shots: they're completely aligned, like a normal good fencer would do in a drill, but he's doing it in a final at a grand prix. Nobody does that, not even Montano or Szilagyi. With most people, errors creep in. He's got enough strength and control that he can truly do things right, all the time.

sydneysabrecentre “perfectly aligned” Edit because I want to clarify: oh is a beast on the strip, and a super nice dude to boot, but his fencing is far from traditional. Not that that is a bad thing, but his lunge is not perfectly aligned in any sense of the word, with an ideal lunge you should have control over your upper body, which oh doesn’t seem to have. This could be super detrimental to his health, which is one of the only downsides to his fencing. Though yes, it is pretty, and it is undeniably effective, it is going to hurt him physically. Unless he is an alien from space, which is not unlikely.

It's definitely not traditional, but why is that a bad thing? In what other sport is innovation and the development of new techniques considered a negative? Oh has absolute control over his upper body, as can be seen by the fact that there is a perfectly straight line between the ball of his left big toe (the contact point with the ground at the end of the launch) and the tip of the weapon hitting target, allowing the maximum transfer of energy. He's not just "tipping over" like a beginner fencer, it's a highly controlled movement. There's almost no research on this, but it's our strong suspicion than what he's doing is actually healthier than a traditional upright lunge at the kind of speeds used in modern sabre. When you're moving something the size of Oh Sanguk at the kind of speeds used in a good attack, that's a hell of a lot of energy. The body has to dissipate it somewhere. Attempting to just stop in a nice pretty textbook upright pose is going to lead to horrendous loads of force on the front knee and lower back, which coincidentally are areas of chronic injury for every single traditionally-trained A-grade fencer we've ever spoken to. What Oh is doing allows a more gradual and dispersed release of energy throughout the body. The only serious injury we've heard of involving Oh was a broken toe, and that was from running into Gu at high speed.

sydneysabrecentre bro no offense, but I literally said “not that that’s a bad thing.” Look guys, innovation is great, and I love the Korean style just as much as the next guy. But I think we can agree that it’s kind of a strange way of fencing, effective and beautiful, but still strange. The original comment was basically me saying that there is no such thing as a “perfectly aligned” lunge. It just doesn’t happen. This is because the definition of a lunge is constantly changing, and is honestly entirely not possible in a bout situation. It’s for practice, not a bout. I just want to end off by saying, I love your guys’ videos, and your club seems pretty chill as well. Have a good day guys.

BACK IN MUH DAY!

Take your racist garbage elsewhere, mate.

You've just proved how uneducated and biased you are lol. In sports there is such a thing called "adaptation to new style" which is one of the intrinsic elements of the word "sport" and you become "pragmatic" to get a victory in competition. Before assessing a pro-athlete why don't you grow your brains, you racist piece of garbage?

I'll let them know to use the shortest and weakest athletes

Dishusting thumbnail. Disgusting writing. Disgusting understanding of sabre. Wow, You have a trinity of disgusting!!

@@alpineboy3288 Thank you I try my best