Zonic's criticism 100% fair and Boros needed to hear it. Teammates stepping adding salt to the wound and not taking time to reflect on their mistakes is where this shit goes downhill.
I also watched Monte CEO interview, and his feedback on Boros that he always has been very childish and immature. And after the transfer Woro2k said "Good luck controlling him".
Lol, Monte CEO is the worst ever. Dude is so racist, you can't even imagine. Woro2k is one of the childish and immature kids on the scene right now so far. If not BOROS for Monte, I honestly don't think they would ever be in major that year.
Thoorin put this situation pretty well. It's not just a game anymore, it's a job, there are a lot of people, different jobs working around them to make everything fine, so you have to be professional. It's like going at your football game and you forget your equipment. Like... you had one job... there's no excuse for being so unprofessional, not at that level and when you get so much money. Changing your mouse, again, 3 IQ move, especially after you destroy them in the tournament before this. And one more reason for them to be so mad is because he's joining in the superstar role, he is supposed to replace NiKo... you're not as allowed to whiff as the others... it's just the way it is. Just because it's CS he can be unprofessional and act childish? :)) rofl
Thoorin even point it out that boros has no business being in the team so it supposed to be him that has to prove to everyone on why he deserve to be part of Falcon lineup not the other way around
ye, thorin was right, when u are the rookie of a team u have no business being in, you should be a sponge, absorbing everything they teach you, listenning, being on time, creating good chemistry etc not being late to prac, forgetting in ears, changing mouse after having a good event, changing nvidia settings mid game like most rookies have these fundimental assumed knowledge down like being on time, remembering to bring ur gear, but boros already fuckedu p from the beginning and this is tier 1 cs, no room for people who are unprofessional
@@yunglorn He's talking bs sometimes, but usually he's just too direct, that's why people hate him, cause he's saying the things that others find hateful, but he's not, he has arguments and he explains his thought process, why he's thinking that way. Maybe try to give some counter arguments, not just say "He's mean and a hater"... makes you look imature and sad :)) exmplain technically why he's wrong and I'll agree with you if it makes more sense than what he says.
As a baseball player who won a d1 championship. Coaches need to put players in a spot like he did here. Hard love but they learn the value of doing what is needed
Sounds like BOROS doesn't know how to stand up for himself or own up to his own mistakes. Instead of saying "I know I fucked up" he stayed silent, got mad, then got kicked lmao. Bro was NOT BEING COOPERATIVE. He is an employee and he legit gave his coworkers the silent treatment.
SpunJ made a great point on HLTVConfirmed. He's just downright unprofessional. He supposidly chamged mouse 5 days before RMR and played fine in practice. But there's been times where he's late for pracc, forgets equipment, the entire Nvidia settings thing is horrendous. And yes, he doesn't know how to handle himself in a profesional envoirnment. There's a LOT of money on the line here both for players and teams. He can't just fuck around trying shit, when everyone are fighting their hardest to get through the toughest tournament of the year.
i agree, boros is very unprofessional but standing in a circle and everybody takes turns to shit on boros next is also very unprofessional. The whole team had a terrible performance and its easy to blame it all just on one player.
@@AstroSullyagreed magisk made it very clear early on in the team it was painful playing with someone so inexperienced, and I imagine the rest of the team felt the same. Maybe Boros’ attitude wasn’t good but I know if I was made to feel like a disappointment by my teammates that should be helping me, I’d probably stop giving a shit too.
I think this discussion is fine, sounds perfectly normal when someone fucks up this much. Wouldn’t have put it on youtube, but im pretty sure the team had no idea they put this in the vlog.
If you've never played sports (e sports or traditional) at a high level, this might sound kind of toxic and shocking to you, but these kinds of conversations are absolutely necessary. They need to put him on blast for a second to make a statement - this is the fucking big leagues. These kinds of mistakes - mistakes that probably could have been avoided- are completely unacceptable. And when your teammates are getting tilted by your own actions and you just can't read the room - maybe that's a clear indicator that a roster change is needed. No chemistry there
The problem most people have from what i inderstand is that they chose to post everything online when such talks should be made in private if they are towards a single player in particular
its not a big deal. just talk in private. dont publicly shame man just bcuz he wanted to try a new mouse. its kinda..... cringe. the video looks like zonic wanted to look professional but he looks so brainless. f word every sentence and behavior of sieging a guy by forcing other players to shame him......... WTF
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it He didn't force anybody else to shame him - i do think the social media barrage is bullshit, but that's just how coaches are man. They lead with passion and sometimes that shows in different ways than you might be used to. But he never forced anyone to shame boros. The others simply expressed their own frustrations with him
Nah you don’t sit there and blame a certain teammate for your short comings. Everyone knows in a team game that chemistry is the most important thing when it comes to consistent success. Going around the circle and emphasizing one player while no one played perfect or even great tbh is just immaturity and lack of understanding on how to build a winning culture.
Ive played professional sports, what Zonic said is fine, but theres no need for the same thing to be said multiple times. Let the coach say it once and be done with it.
Kid is a 19 year old talent, do you not have the ability to shape him into something? Let's be real, they didn't want to develop him in the first place, they're still salty they didn't get NiKo so they are now blaming him for not being NiKo. If this was Karrigan, it would be a different story, that man molds talents into superstars. Boros just became the scapegoat, kid never stood a chance. Oh and they're all blaming him on social media too, that's very classy.
You may have a point of the what if it was another player, however I personally think that his team showed still cared about him. Example is Snappi saying you had insane aim last tournament. I think they handled this pretty well and also made the point that this is a job, a professional one at that. If you are late at practice/work for no good excuse or change your settings in one of the most major tournaments of the year, that is a major issue that can't go unnoticed. Edit: Another opinion added. I do think it's unfair though for falcons to be publicly shaming boros on RU-vid. I think this a team issue that should stay private. Not post it in public like this.
@@ranierreindeer3571when you put it like that i kind of agree, getting rid of him from the team is not the move tho. i honestly do respect them being straight up though but it would be so much better if they worked on that afterwards
This is just smooth Brain take. If you want context just watch the thorin video on the topic gives you all the info you need. The just changing settings mid game. Is always late as a the new guy is just disrespectful also let’s include boros is on 20K a month. This guy is also fucking up other peoples opportunities. This is a mark against zonic too affecting their legacy. So maybe have that context.
here's what an other guy said in the comment section I also watched Monte CEO interview, and his feedback on Boros that he always has been very childish and immature. And after the transfer Woro2k said "Good luck controlling him".
Everything Zonic said is valid and true, there is no point in players dogpiling after its said though. If you cant take constructive criticism, maybe you shouldnt be in elite sports/esports
Social media stuff is unprofessional, but any coach worth their salt would say the exact same thing, if not more. Higher tier sports are very serious - if you can't handle the stress and accept blame from time to time then you're not cut out for it
i aint saying what they said was wrong or anything or whos to blame, its just that uploading it is a disgrace to any org and highly unprofessional. its out of question. yeah and tbh the whole team blaming one guy after a crucial loss, its super unprofessional aswell.
@@elmasmiller4371yeah putting it on social media was definitely unprofessional from the team part but they have a point when they are shitting on him. Only it shouldn't have been to put online for all people to watch
Zonic should've taken Boros aside and told him this 1on1. The rest of the team shitting on him is unnecessary, whether they believe it or not. Zonic should've told the guys he has spoken to Boros, and then they should've tried to support and lift him up. After that, if he still doesn't show willingness to improve and show up, it's fair to drop him.
These conversations have to happen in sports and e sports, as a college baseball pitcher I got in my head changing things my pitching coach, manager, and teammates confronted me just like this, it worked I won 6 straight starts after.
And even if Boros was 1.4 avg rating they still could lose there are plenty of matches were s1mple lost with 1.57 rating etc one man army is not enough against 5 pros, it can work in fpl
Normal Team meeting. In many other Sports it gets way more heated than this and if He fakkked up its his fault.. accept it and get over it. This is what Makes you a better Person and a better Player
They are 100 percent right. Let me describe it using a different game. If you play league of legends with locked map with flash on f key and secondary spell on d key. If you switch those setting just cuz faker plays on a diff setting you are going to perform drastically worse. So like they are absolutely right. Don't go fuckin around with equipment and settings before a massive game
I just wanted to point out that Ence are doing better than basically anyone expected, and that is because they have an insane team energy and everyone backs each other up, but Falcons is doing the complete opposite and they're getting the oposite results lmao.
I mean Boros's kick was the rigfht move imo... I saw an itw of NBK recently, saying he was not professional when it comes to practice and work hard with team.
imagine you have such a chance in E-sport. I mean Falcons are willing to throw such amount of money and you manage to fuck up that much. The critism is absolutley right, you have to give your absolut best, take that chance, double check everything, double take everything with you if something breaks, you loose, you forget .... I cant believe someone is so stupid throwing, a chance like this, away. And then getting late to practis too...... let him go, get JKS!
Wasn’t he first on the team? It’s not like he joined thinking he was going to be surrounded by the core for a top 3 team. It’s very obvious they never intended on keeping him but got stuck with him. It would have been uncomfortable for him as well. Being flamed by your teammates in the media (before this vlog). He went from playing on an arguably tier 2 team to playing with legends of the game he was just out of his depth. I cant imagine they invested enough time into helping him knowing he’d be out of the team soon. There’s 2 sides to every story and whilst he is at fault for his mistakes I could understand the lack of motivation in a team that are meant to help you but don’t.
the one guy who was late and forgetting equipment and even dumb enough to test new equipment during serious events…and people acting like they are just making him a scapegoat out of nowhere. idiots always try to paint everything as racist
It's normal and we need to remember everyone in the team is basically ventilating their emotions because no-one wants to loose the position in the team (and basically the money). It's all about the money, if the team performs they get millions, if they dont perform they will be replaced. They mad because they dont want to be replaced. It's all individually
the one guy who was late and forgetting equipment and even dumb enough to test new equipment during serious events…idiots always try to paint everything as racist
Can see how many people in the comments have never been even close to high level in any kind of competitive sports. The mouse isnt in the middle here, Boros constantly complained during games and brought teamspirit down. He needed a wake up call, and he still changed mouse (again) in the next big tournament, whiffed his aim and complained through the game. They tried to deal with it as a team but he chose not to be part of the team, it wasnt the staff that chose it, boros did it to himself. Hope falcons can get back on top with Dupreeh
The arguments of pressure and everyone shitting on person is fair when Falcons was competing in tier 2 tournaments and tier 1 qualifiers. However Falcons is no longer a tier 2 based team. They are on the same level as everyone else now. Changing settings and mice mid tournament and/or mid game is unprofessional. He needs to learn his lesson now, when it's coming from Zonic you know you should listen. He ain't some dummy who randomly got a high paying job. The players deserve to give a piece of their mind (should of happened off camera), because they had the expectation of making playoffs in the major. Once you step in tier 1 cs, whether fans/coaches/players/managers/etc like it or not, you have to treat every tournament, every game like they're on the verge of losing their job and be a professional. I'm fairly sure every football player in the world would love to play football without expectations and have fun in front of their fans. But the reality has to hit at some point and you need to grow up. If i forget my tools at my job, I've let down, my owners, co workers and customers. He needs to grow up, take responseablity stop blaming shit and admit her fucked up. His tweet shows me that he can't deal with pressure and should never be considered by a tier 1 org unless his willing to put his head down and fucking put in the work while also taking in advice from the greatest coach this game will ever see.
anyone who has competed at high level knows you need to callout anything you dont like, even minor things like being on the same page of having the same callouts for a map. Everyone on the team calling him out needs to be done because if you dont say if something bothers you it would look like zonic just targeting an individual. These guys get paid the big bucks they should be able to handle harsh criticism.
Knowing when to speak is just as important as knowing what to say. Zonic didn’t say anything egregious, but he needs to control his frustration better. As teammates you should NEVER turn on each other and start bitching about performances while you’re in the middle of a series. If one player isn’t performing up to standards of course it’s harder to win, That’s why YOU as a teammate have to step up in the moment and cover. In real sports you never see a team completely turn on a player with obvious cameras in their face. To make the excuse that the reason you can’t win a series is because a single teammate is whiffing some shots is disgusting behavior.
People crying and feeling bad for him. This man’s getting paid around $5000-$10,000 a month. It’s the equivalent on why Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan were hard on their teammates because they expect their team to play the same level as them and when you do bullshit like that, especially at the highest level, you deserve to get yelled at you’re no longer a child. You’re a grown ass adult making good money, take your job seriously and have some kind of professionalism. It’s also because imagine you have teammates that have years of experience. Go talk to them before you do anything stupid it’s like imagine if during the bulls era get drafted onto the team and Michael Jordan literally offers you advice and you choose not to take his advice. You know how stupid.😂
anyone defending Boros is soft and probably doesn't have a job lol. Who cares how old he is, he chose a profession where there is a lot of money on the line and others are depending on him. If he can't do the basic and little things right then he should choose another passion.
I would really like to know after which match/map this happened, especially what Maden mentioned with Nuke. First match they won, on Nuke, yes BOROS didn't play up to his standard, but a win is a win. Second match they lost, also on Nuke, but against fucking Faze, Frozen, Broky and Ropz all had a 1.4 rating. Maden and Magisk played some solid CS but all three BOROS, SunPayus and Snappi played bad. Thirs match again on Nuke they lost to EF who was obviously considered the underdog, but from Falcons only BOROS showed up. SunPayus you could say was alright but not for his standard. Amkal of course they shouldn't lose to them, and first map, Vertigo, they won everyone played above their average, 1.76 from SunPayus absolute masterclass. Second map, Ancient, Snappi somehow had a masterclass but BOROS and SunPayus both 0.5 rating and threw the map away, you can't really point fingeres at one there. And last map, Mirage, looking at the numbers they should have won ICY was popping off, but everyone on Falcons performed, really wasn't BOROS fault. This is not about BOROS being innocent, changing your mouse and settings before a important tournament is not a good decision. But the whole team putting it on him is just bad, especially considering he is just 19 and way younger then all of them.
If your mouse's glide were abit broken you are going to carry at least 2 spare mouse with exact model what you are using bro. On the other hand, guy is still 19. Roasting him explicitly in the youtube video so unnecessary I guess.
argument is fine and fair , but to put it all on Boros , like they didn't qualify because he missed couple of kills is too much , whole team play like shit so idk what are they talking about
Well they are actually right, idk why everyone see problem from Falcons Team vs Boro , yeah like changing settings and your equipment during Major, for no reason, doesnt make sence, ofc you are not gonna play like you played, you have to get useto new settings... So yeah they are right they told him what they think and lets hope he will realise what he did ...
They all played like shit but since he was pretty much the only non-danish/EU player in the team they basically scapegoated the guy into kicking him out. Very unprofessional ganging up on him like that on camera especially when they lost to de-facto worse teams than them. With that said Boros did fuck things up experimenting too much with his hardware close to the RMR. Boros wont have problems finding a new team but Falcon has serious chemistry problems to fix before they start being contenders for titles.
@@harrisonj1177 there is no such thing for aiming, i recommend you watch viscose´s video about it, its actually beneficial for the overall mouse control and mechanics within the mouse, changing sensitivity and mouse will lead to overall improvement
what you dont understand is that changing mouse and settings break your muscle memory, critically affecting your performance in the game. sure he’d perform better with different settings, but changing them in the middle of the tournament? sounds like a complete disaster to the team. i wonder where’s your comprehension and common sense though.
There is no imagine if he performs better. If you ever played a single fps in your fkng life with a fkng mouse. You will know the game feels so much different when you change your mouse and settings.
idk what u think guys, but seeing ur teammate watching donk cfg while playing rmr its fucking nonsense, its my experience 3 years ago playing faceit 5lvl, cuz its for fun, BUT ON RMR
they all lost and played like shit and want to blame the poor guy now, they also played like shit and lost thier first game after replacing him with s1mple, now dont tell me s1mple changed his mouse too, what zonic said as a coach is accepable, but mates who also played like shit have not the right to talk like that......
Boros is really bad and always toxic towards teammates and people on he’s faceit games. Multiple times I played on he’s team and against him on faceit and he’s always toxic thinking he’s the best even if he heavy button frags. this guy never learns.
watching snappi give boros shit is comical, such an overrated player thinks too highly of himself, always bottom fragging and never won a major tournament
Imagine being pro and not even having mouse skates/feet sticker replacements. Im fucking noob and have them since im used to my mouse :D not to shit on this guy but wake the fuck up, also nvidia panel mid game? YIKES
