Old and ruined Winchester 1897 restoration - gun restoration 

not a freaking chance

lmfao

Gang

​@@hellyeaOU812😊

Hmm I don’t thank but just my take on looking how hard everything was on the break down of shotgun

Really it's a 1897 they were used in WW1.

He's saying OP is artificially aging the items for the sake of their video...

@@killbeers6890 exactly.

@@robertfandel9442 steel wool in the barrel, also wood NEVER LOOKS this clean after a supposed 100 years of being exposed to the weathering

That RU-vid money is to sweet.

fax another ruined piece for what content?

@@Kluee if you're asking for clarification- the only time I've seen a gun that rusty was in every restoration video. Every restoration video. Every, single restoration video.

@@billdanosky perhaps, the only reason you would see a rusted gun in a restoration video, is because if they were unrusted, they would not need to be restored.

@@billdanoskywell if they were nice and clean they probably wouldn’t need to be restored huh? You’re brilliant 😂

@@gnarcotics_ I just proved this point in the reply above, but I guess your the smartest, genius.

Who cares HOW it got rusty. We're watching a restoration

​@@antoinejackson4311 "who care" ?? Really ?... those who love the truth :)

Heat shield is not original part. Is added for fraud the last owner. This is a riot gun not a trench gun.

@@restaurato6629 thanks

Exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for clearing that up. Gorilla Glue is amazing. I restored 2 completely broken stocks that were broken at the wrist. If you didn't look very closely you'd never have seen the joints. Were you using oxalic acid on the rusted steel parts?

Agree 100%

Just thinking the same thing.

Ong

Cyma? Hope you have see the final bro 😉

My thoughts, it's rust is off.

More than likely.

@@france_stoneshore2150 It's almost the same kind of rust that was on this bloke's Spas12 video. Man's just destroying historic relics, no shame.

It's probably more like a 26 year old shotgun as it's a riot gun that's been made to look like a trench gun

You realise these "restoration" channels will deliberately age these weapons for content right? This guy has mistreated this relic just to bring it back to how it was

Im in the same boat lol it seems such a tragedy to cut down a nice barrel.

What do you think?

Absolutely

My Grandfather owned a gunshop and he'd buy peoples used guns even the rusty ones to fix up, so ive handled lots of firearms that are in rough shape IE rusted through a natural process of time and improper storage... Anyway the guns in this guys videos all have the hallmarks of intentional forced patina. You can just tell when something is real, its hard to explain. But the tell is that its a perfectly even layer of active orange rust that is thin and has not pitted or eaten into the metal. This tells me its recent and also deliberate. Whole guns rarely rust at the same rate, like the tip of the barrel or grip or highpoint surfaces will go first. My assumption is he takes a firearm in probably fair to decent condition, uses vinegar or other chemical agent to strip the bluing to bare metal, then dunks the whole gun in salt water and leaves it outside under the sun for a week. Winchester riot 1897s (in the description he says its a regular model that he added the shield to so its not a real valuable trenchgun) average in the USA around $500-900 depending on condition. IDK where he is located. But you may ask this is wasteful right? But think about it; he got 4.5 MILLION views in less than 3 months on this video alone. He has nearly 1 million subscribers. He has made, by conservative estimates, $45,000 from google ad revenue off this video alone. But probably several times that much. Not counting his other videos, donations, sponsorships, etc. With minimal filming/editing work and a $500 dollar upfront investment and a few hours of his time. This guy is a fucking genius. A deceitful genius, but genius none the less.

I have been saying that for a long time it looks like they were all put into a shake and bake bag

the last 97 winchester pump was made in mid 1957 if u idjuts looked this stuff up before making yr selfs look like dufues u d be better off i have 5 of them one made in 1904

It is... Might be wrong but pretty sure it is.. edit:just checked and yes this IS a trench shotgun

It is. Its a Winchester Model 1897. Even had the heat shield/bayonet lug, though he didn’t do any kind of refinishing of that part, unfortunately. Yeah, my favorite shotgun too.

That is the trench gun. Iconic

@@Hath.0 indeed

You bet it reminds you a trench gun.... It is a Winchester 1897 trench gun ! I'd like to have one !

hope it stays within your family forever

That’s what I thought.

During the restoration process i write about bayonet lug "this is not an original part of riffle" is added by a gunsmith in the past for fraud the original owner. This is definely a riot gun not a trench gun.

Yes most of these videos restoration pieces man-made to look super old

Yeah fresh rust. Lmao

Most of these videos are using intentionally " rusty" items. It is obvous

its bot

not

BallisticBackyard is simply better.

It's a takedown civilian model. Trench guns only came with fixed barrels.

Probs cos it's a fake resto job. The gun isn't from that period, and the rust is due to being soaked in salt water for a week.

how do u know its after market check ur history ww 1 ww2 korea viet nam these guns where there being used

Me too! Still shoots, take it out every once in a while, run some lite bird shot thru it.

1897s were made well into the 1950s. I have shot hundreds of round thru mine. They were well made guns. early 16 gauge had a short chamber tho. 4those you would not shoot modern shells thru.

dubble 0 buck works great in them

@@PracticalReformation this video appears to be real that is real pitting on the metal. It would be really hard to fake that.

The amount of moisture it takes to rust steel and rot wood is VERY different

I’m suspicious, I saw a video recently about a real restoration channel calling out fake ones.

Looks like it was painted in some rust color. Maybe sprayed with some salt water I dont know. There are many fake restoration channels out there

@@Frittrich dude the metal is very pitted, it would be impossible to fake that

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Definitely don’t recommend this channel for anyone wanting to see a gun restoration not butchered

He did a preservation not a restoration there is a huge difference He rusted pile of junk working again give credit where credit is due

that's not even rust though, just some weathering using paint.

I have rubber clamps... you can see the alluminum support

Guns shoot

Ha ha ha

We can hope.

Are you selling any of them? Lol. I would love to have some history in my possession but the prices of firearms are out of my budget

Bro your giving realy bad suggestions both those tool leave a bad finish and this is valued more when it reapaired like this not completely restored

@@FrFr224 have you ever used a bead blasting cabinet. We use them on engine internals.....