I wish modern men's gymnastics would improve their flexibility and artistic body control. Take a ballet class! Don't get me wrong, super strong man gymnastics is super impressive, but I think they swung a bit too far.
Old gymnastics focused more on the form and for it to look more graceful. New gymnastics seems to focus on doing dangerous stunts and breaking records in doing the most flips, something that’s more meant for the circus and entertainment rather than sport.
@@Lumosnight Even if you copy and paste it its still wrong, many of the moves of 'old gymnastics' are banned now because they ended with people badly injuring themself
@@alleykitten214or maybe they're impressed because of the beautiful artistry of old school female gymnastics like I am... don't get me wrong, I love the raw power and strength of modern gymnastics.. but there is something much more beautiful about the tricks and movements of the old school stuff. I watch gymnastics videos all the time. it's just two very different types of gymnastics.
@@WaynesPokeWorldI agree!! There is a graceful power of old style gymnastics. Modern gymnastics is raw power and not elegant in any way. Also modern gymnastics suits are inappropriate.
@jessicasawyers8307 ??? They're the same, the uniforms are like that to increase aerodynamics and make it easier for gymnasts to maneuver their bodies and do tricks. I don't see a difference between to old uniforms and the current uniforms, there's nothing innapropriate about them.
Yea banned for safety reasons sure but still sucks for some. People do this because we genuinely enjoy doing it. Even the moves we still do now u can snap ur neck and boom it’s over. Taking risks is one big thing about gymnastics. So I feel if someone really wanted to do these stunts they should be able to.
I always asked myself why certain moves were banned to prevent injury, when literally ALL gymnastics moves seem to me like you could snap your neck immediately. Just a backflip is already lethal if you land wrong. So I always ask myself how to they differentiate between "dangerous" and non dangerous moves, when they are literally all high risk?
Forbidden? Let me say it like this. If you are doing diving competitions, then your score can be cancelled if your head is too close to the board. Why? No judge wants to see you smash your head against a slap of congregate or a board and then fall into a pool of water. And it happened far more often than what was comfortable. Is that making the "old way" forbidden, or is it prioritizing safety? Yeah the old way can go F itself. It sucked. And it is not forbidden in gymnastics, you just don't get points for it, so you are allowed to do it, but if your goal is winning then you have no incentive of doing it.
@@taiwanisacountry when i said riskfull for them i'm refer to gymnastics, no judges . And maybe "forbidden" was not a good word for you but , which is a good work for a trick that all know is riskfull and don't get points when you did it? no point trick?
They were really pretty. I remember Nadia and Olga just killing it with these moves. But damn, they really push the limits today with Power. Body types have changed. In the 70’s it was seemingly thin tiny little girls. Now it’s trying, training,training! Giving powerhouse muscular bodies that appear like giants. They are still tiny women Biles is 4’8” but she weighs 104lbs. Korbut was 4’11 but only weighed 82 lbs., which is KA-Ray-Zee. They certainly do not look like wrestlers.
@@loredanadincu4300 ah this is a bit…dunning kruger effect. Theyre not wrestlers, theyre gymnasts, it’s literally a gymnast body. People then and now are built different, different in safety, knowledge in mechanics and nutrition.
@unknownfancy we are talking about people from 12 years ago, not 50 years ago or 100 years. Get it! So take a f seat! And the Americans gymnastics especially look like wrestlers like it or not. The rest pretty much look still like before
I completely disagree with you. It's all about hard tricks. Nowadays there's no dancing interpretation. It's just a bunch of muscle chicks doing super hard tricks, and that is not what gymnastics is supposed to be. If you go back and look at an examplook up Henrietta Onodi floor exercise event finals nineteen ninety two. That should have received an 11 and not a 9.95.
@@JolieRosee. Contemporary gymnasts are stronger and more conditioned than gymnasts were in the 70s. This is not a diss on those gymnasts, who were phenomenal, strong, and completely amazing. The training has changed though, and emphasizes strength and power moves in a way that earlier gymnastics didn't, hence the difference.
Then whole time I'm watching them I'm thinking “just 1 injury” from this is career ending. Meanwhile new gymnastics gives me the impression that injuries can heal within a year or 2 before the athlete gets back to the podium.
That's because certain moves that were performed in the past were actually banned in the present to prevent injuries. This would also ensure that the gymnast will be able to perform again and again without worrying on their injury.
I reckon though, the world is too soft now. We need to toughen up abit and do our cool tricks we would do back in the day (btw I just got home from gym😜)
I also noticed this from the video, the old gymnastics look more elegant, it has a nice rhythm and flow, as if they are floating in the air, the new gymnastics look too... violent, who jumps higher and harder, has no elegance.
The uneven bars was better back in the days but the gymnastics of today is way better. Back in the days women was just suppose to be graceful because they are expected to not to show power and strength. Now women can be themselves.
there’s a clip of Olga Korbut (the girl in the white leo) talking about her floor routine and she said that underneath the yellow carpet at the olympic games it was just wood flooring 🪦💀
@TLJ88 I know a lot of them not being abused, so no worries- there were some in a good environment!( is so easily used 'abuse" these days ) But yes, abuse exists, was then,is nowadays and will be in the future! Still, old gymnastics were extremely impressive and amazing!
@@andrajurubitamarin5379 Do you realize how horrible your comment sounds? Abuse no worries.! One person ABUSED is one too many!!!🤬 We know what you’re really trying to say with that comment!! gymnastics was better when everyone looked alike!!
Yea but most of it is banned now because it was extremely dangerous. Many kids ended their career before it even started by really bad injuries. Some Russian kids even died or got disabled by performing some things that were shown here.
@@richardmathes4383 but it really isn’t… yes you tumble in gymnastics but in tumbling you don’t do bars,beam,or vault I would even go as far as saying you don’t even do floor y’all do a rod floor but that’s pretty different if you ask me.
A lot of skills performed back then are now banned for safety reasons. Elena Mukhina, a Soviet gymnast, is one of those reasons. In 1979, she broke her leg and her coach and team doctors rushed her recovery, removing her cast early. They pressured her keep practicing the Thomas salto, despite her complaints of minor injuries from it. Two weeks before the 1980 Moscow Olympics, she was practicing the pass and landed on her chin, snapping her spine, rendering her quadriplegic. Her coach and team doctors then blamed her for "attempting a skill she wasn't ready for". She said that her first thought when lying on the floor with a broken neck was "thank god I'm not going to the Olympics". She died in 2006 from complications from quadriplegia. So, yeah, the 'new' gymnastics isn't as flashy, but it's a lot more safe.
Even with the stunts we have not it's very easy for someone to snap their neck. But the training is way more safe since we now punish the overly risky moves. And we only know of the famous ones that lost their lives. We have no clue the number of kids that have died attempting to get to that point.
I think that both the old and the new are beautiful and spectacular in their own ways! The fluidity and precision of the old, and the speed and power of the new, both make for such a creative show!
Idk why but the old gymnastics is so fascinating to see and when I see new gymnastics it's so cool how they can do flips and fly up in the sky to be honest though I love old gymnastics 😮😊❤🫶♡👍🏼
Old or new, it just amazes me how some people have THIS level of athleticism, grace, strength, energy, flexibility and TRUST in their own body and skills. It's mind blowing, never ceases to be impressive and awe inducing.
for gymnastics now the first two and the last one was a different kind of gymnastics. but as a gymnast i think the old gymnastics is much cooler but i am thankful that i don't do gymnastics like that anymore because i would literally die😂
Dude ditto 🤣 I have 2 little girls and my 6 yr old is VERY good, I like to say she gets it from her mama lol but mama is 37 now and lucky that she can still manage a split, roundhouse or cartwheel.
@@lizkemp983 I can't speak for this person obviously, but I stopped at 13 and I was a level 9 close to a 10 but I quit because I got my menstrual cycle. Sorry if that's TMI but it's the truth lol.
Well, not sure if you're old enough to actually have been to one of those "old gymnastics games", but back then the TV frames are less and that makes the movements appear a bit faster than real speed.
@@JaviSailorMau yeah, my landing wasn’t gold medal worthy. It was more like a fish flop. Guess I’ll have to work on sticking the landing. Next time.🤷🏼♀️😂
Old gymnastics focused more on the form and for it to look more graceful. New gymnastics seems to focus on doing dangerous stunts and breaking records in doing the most flips, something that’s more meant for the circus and entertainment rather than sport.
They only showed 2 clips of actual competitive gymnastics for the examples of ‘new gymnastics’ and the older examples were all competitive gymnastics. Competitive gymnastics is more advanced than things like tumbling which is what you mainly saw in new ‘gymnastics’ that isn’t actually gymnastics, that is only one of the elements that gymnasts do. In girls gymnastics there are 4 events that you have to compete: vault, bars, beam, and floor. And boys have 6. In each event there are many elements and advance gymnasts go to the gym every day and practice each event for hours. What people are doing today is way more advanced and insane. I recommend looking up some videos. Like “competitive gymnastics 2024”
See I like the modern day. It shows off impressive strength and super human skills. Any time I watch simone... I get chills to my bone. I'm also assuming you are only talking about the females. Or did you like the graceful male gymnasts too?
I know that the old gymnastic looks impressive af (and it is/was!) but I am glad that they made all those changes for the safety of the athletes in the last years. Remember that most of the old athletes were still kids when they did all the stuff and they were used as propaganda tools back then to show off how strong people of their country are... Many (not particularly the people shown here in the video) suffered and STILL suffer from health issues because of the immense stress they had to put their body through (not even talking about the mental issues because of the physical and mentally abuse), some of the women were never able to get pregnant after their career ended. Today's gymnastic is still not a walk in the park and I truly admire what the athletes manages to accomplish with their training. And yes, there is still many things going wrong in modern sports. But the old gymnastic definitely didn't care for there athletes at all.
Not to mention a lot of what they do in gymnastics at the international level is simply MUCH harder. It is, plain and simple, more physically difficult and demanding especially in the strength category.
@@tessalee6253 you gotta remember it's still a sport, and a niche one at that. sure, the greater public would rather see something pretty, but the people actually interested in the sport, and who actually pay to see these competitions, would rather see something technically impressive.
@tessalee6253 I agree that much of the grace has left, but there are still nuggets of it to be found, and I would much rather the athletes be safer than just look beautiful. We change sports to (hopefully) make things better for all the athletes to follow. Perhaps one day, we will have someone strike the perfect balance between old and new but until then, I'm going to appreciate both for their unique strengths.
@@kaid2025 there is still grace, balance, dance elements, smiling, smooth transitions between moves, that are all graded on an international level. To say the Grace has been abandoned isn’t true. The reason they don’t have transitions between bars like that is because they are farther apart than they were, so you physically can’t, but there are other requirements for fluidity and Grace that are graded within the execution score. It’s not all power, but maintaining that strength and power and containing it in a controlled and graceful way
@@Jellybeansatdusk I completely agree that there is still grace and smooth transitions within modern gymnastics, and I never said that those tenets have been abandoned. They will always be there. I just find that they present differently now. Simone Biles has a grace more like a race horse to me. It is beautiful to see the lines of her body moving as her muscles contract and release. Her grace comes from how powerful she clearly is. Many of the earlier gymnasts in comparison have a different kind of fluidity, almost as though they are water being poured. I know there is still power and strength there, but it presents differently. If I'm continuing the animal comparisons, they seem more like snakes, where you are seeing more of the whole thing moving. I was wrong to say that "much of the grace has left," though I think to an eye that does not care about the progression of the sport, they would think similarly. I used the wrong words to convey my message.
Yes, but it was considerably more dangerous and damaging to the body. Those moves where the bar hits just above the hips, for example; that damaged internal organs.
I didn't see any dangerous moves in old gymnastics !!! It was slow and little moves. Its the opposite, the new Gymnastics are more dangerous with the speed and high fly.
not really, from the clips shown at least. plenty of modern gymnasts can do what could be done in the old clips, maybe aside from what that girl in the blue was doing between the two bars. and the girl in the white or the girl in pink/magenta, so like, mostly what the men did is what im referring to (besides the last clip of the girl in white before the men were shown). like, theyre mostly just front flipping in the old ones, but the modern ones they look like those front flips are what they had to learn before they got to what they could do in the modern clips!
@@Luckyyou.13 Yeah, I mostly just thought, "they used to get away with a lot more" because a lot of those moves are banned now, especially on the uneven bars.
@@israeliana It’s gymnastics, but not the ‘regular’ kind. This is top-tier gymnastics, and those skills have been banned due to significant safety risks for the athletes.
Yea they didn't do a very good job at the comparison... not to say these things aren't totally cool and impressive but they're not "gymnastics." Simone does "gymnastics."
Adesso è tutta questione di forza di performance, di potenza. E per carità, anche oggi i ginnasti si fanno un m***** tanto allenandosi per ottenere il miglior risultato ma prima oltre a questo c'era anche la grazia l'armonia; la potenza c'era anche allora ma era meno visibile. Ma i ginnasti di oggi devono ringraziare chi è stato grande prima di loro per aver mostrato cosa era giusto o sbagliato fare
They are not banned. Where the fuck does people get that idea from? And no it is not because they are "hard". What the hell is that supposed to mean. Do you say that my triple spin double flip is not "hard' but damaging my body on purpose is "hard"? I am sorry that not awarding high points for dangerous stunts is not part of modern gymnastics. Ow wait I am not sorry. I actually care about the safety of people.
@@taiwanisacountry As a gymnast I have no idea what you are talking about. Roll out skills on floor are banned, along with the korbut an alot of old uneven bars skills. They banned them because they are too dangerous, and have had a history of debilitating injuries. Some people can do them safely, but they are just too dangerous and they have had people be severly injured multiple times trying to compete a a certain skill. And also if it has a high risk of any kind of spinal injury or a history of spinal injuries they will ban it for the saftey of the gymnasts.
The thing i see most different between the 2 times is: The old forms are more body strength rather than speed. Trained to do tougher but slower moves that force the body to spring and press useing ALL of the body, such as abs a lot more. The new styles seem a lot of fast, quick and accelerated. They seem to be more trained in speed and dexterity than raw power. They also rend to use a lot more of there legs and arms rather than mid section as the older generations used. They also amped up spinning and rwirling rapidly in a lot more sets. SPIN TO WIN! More showy and spectacular, flare rather than poise. All in all, quit amazing!!! The sheer body control these people have is just mind blowing!! Whatever era you come from as a gymnast, you are brilliant and wonderful! Thank you for showing off tour amazing and hard worked for skills! SPIN ON!!
@@Whatsayoutuber ahhh, ok, i see. So the newer generation DOES use a lot of there core, just useing it for more spinning than volting themselves at poles? I see now, thank you for pointing that out :)
They are both equally as difficult but the old gymnastics is more dangerous while the new gymnastics has been modified over time to make it more safe but they are both showing a completely different set of skills that are both just as impressive as the other.
@@serhiokarabus615 I don't think you understand that the rest of the world needs to peacefully put any and every possible pressure so that y'all mind your own business within your own borders. So, if you're upset the world isn't seeing Russian talent..... You know who you can complain to in order for this to be fixed (hint : your own leaders).
@@serhiokarabus615 War is about far more than just politics, it effects every interaction Russia has with the rest of the world. You can’t expect the world to ignore what has happened and allow Russian participation in such events…these events help to promote, bolster and support the countries involved (especially when their athletes perform well) so their participation has to be denied It’s a shame but Russias leaders are the ones making decisions that are ruining things for their own countrymen and women who have trained hard and deserved their chance…it is not the rest of the worlds job to turn a blind eye
@@vamvam7690 в 2014 году, на Украине был внутренний конфликт(Майдан) , где люди должны были сами разбираться и проголосовать как дальше жить стране. Одна часть людей выбрала вступление Евросоюз другая не хотела, по Конституции Украины, любой человек в праве выбора, у них же "свободная страна" Был как Майдан так и антимайдан. Вы знаете сколько людей погибло на Майдане? Из за чего? Почему во внутреннем конфликте участвовали иностранцы? ( представители Запада) Макеин и Виктория Нуланд. Почему в этом внутреннем конфликте выбирали на должность чиновников ( Нуланд) совершенно не причастные люди? Почему та сторона которая решила идти в Евросоюз, решила за всех? Почему не выслушивали ту сторону которая не хотела в Евросоюз? Почему начали убивать людей? Там ведь России не было? Там были Американцы, которые выделили на "демократию" 5 млр. 🤷♂️ А на самом деле из потратили на переворот, при чем вооружённый с захватом власти. Вы считаете это не нарушением Конституции. А России там ещё не было. Вы знаете что президент Украины хотел подписать Ассоциации с Евросоюзом, а не вступление в Евросоюз? А людям рассказали что он не захотел подписать вступление. А не подписал он Ассоциации эти, потому что у Украины не было денег на эти нововведения и стандарты? А Россия вошла в этот конфликт, когда её попросили , та сторона которая не хотела вступать в Евросоюз, и это было на законных основаниях.
@@vamvam7690 вы мне пишите какую то ерунду. А я вам пишу про факты. Это всё есть в интернете. А вы знаете почему Путин "напал" на Украину? Вам всего лишь нужно прочитать отчёты ОБСЕ за 17,18,19,20 февраля 2022 года, на Донбассе. Украина начала наступление в эти дни, артобстрел до 2000 тысяч боеприпасов было выпущено. Это подтверждённый факт🤷♂️ вы читали Минские договорённости? Там всё было прописано по Конституции Украины, и там они должны были сами все решить, без Америки и России. Ну Америка их уговорила что бы они не выполняли их. Это подтвердила канцлер Германии Ангела Меркель, она открыта заявила, и в это время на Украину завозили вооружение, а Россия хотела что бы всё закончилось. Кого в этом случае нужно наказывать? Америка за свою демократию будет страдать, потому что лезут со своим в чужое. И во всём этом жалко людей.
@@cristaliscristal9389 Yes they do, the people who made this video just wanted to make you think that gymnastics now are less cool.The gymnast on the bar that you see multiple time on the "old" part basically made a choreography including a twist so dangerous it's the only time it was ever performed in competition, which ofc shows they wanted to show you the coolest stuff. I did gymnastics when I was a kid (like up to 5 years ago) and the old girls that were super good pretty much looked the same as the "old". But for the "now" they decided to show things that are done mostly in spectacles and not competitions (like one of the clip is literally on a TV set), or group gymnastics that are totally different from solo one.
I love that you included a men's four acrobatic gymnastics group. I do acrobatic and artistic gymnastics and its nice to see some acro routines included in some of these.
You act as if it’s safer now. The floors offer more bounce now days along with bars that offer more whip. So people add extra spins and twist. Id speculate it’s safer with a stiff bar than it is with a bar making me add more dumb spins and twist.
Oh, please, they knew what they signed up for and the harm that comes with it. Bodies were built differently to take the toll. Nowadays, one breaks a nail, and it is like "oh, I need attention from a doctor."
I love gymnastics then and now! A lot of what was done back then cannot be done now. It is still a beautiful sport. The beauty of the human body and all its amazing capabilities. ❤️
Huh???? Look at the statistics of gymnastics injury, then vs. now. It was literally unregulated, and rules had to be put in place to protect gymnasts from dangeous (and deadly!) combinations. It has happened in almost every performing sport (i.e. figure skating). Soooo not sure how its "Gen Z" when they were only stating the fact that old gymnastics were dangerous. Hell, gymnastics NOW is dangerous. Deaths include Melanie Coleman in 2019, Michelle Maintland in 2009, Julissa Gomez in 1988. And cases of paralysis including Elena Mukhina in 1980, Adriana Duffy in 1989, Sang Lan in 1998, and honorable mentions of Jacoby Miles, Samantha Cerio, and countless others left paraplegic or quadriplegic. Let's not forget to also mention that Gen Z was barely even a thought when these regulations began to be implemented in the late 80s. But you know, Gen Z is just SOOOOOOOO soft and triggered. 🤪🤪🤡 @chisomudeze7706
I thought it was pretty cool how you chose 2 separate categories so I couldn’t compare anything at all and included the very best from before and somewhat decent from today. Great job.
Both are equally amazing and take a significant amount of talent. The older videos had a sense of elegance and perfection while the modern day videos show a variety of strength and creativity! Both are just so amazing, I could watch forever.
Gymnastics then: if you can do a cartwheel we'll give you ten cents Gymnastics now: whoever can use little jimmy over there as a jump rope the most will get 500 dollars
Life itself is dangerous, we accept risks for the reward we seek but we all have a die date. Can't imagine a better one than doing what I love when my date comes up
Les anciens gymnastes avaient une forme de grâce dans leurs mouvements et une fluidité, aujourd'hui on dirait que le principal but est de faire le nombre maximum de looping en un seul saut alors qu'on sait très bien que ça peut entraîner des vertiges pour les gymnastes ("twisties") Je trouve que l'ancienne pratique était plus saine et fluide, on sent que c'est plus "détendu", c'est agréable a voir Bravo en tout cas a ceux qui font ce sport, c'est impressionnant
The thing is they didn't compare the same routines. Bars vs tumbling, of course you'll get different results. Also at least two of the "new" clips were circus performances, where the goal is to "wow" the audience, not perfecting skill for judges. And it's skewing the opinion of the viewer. As for health, (this is more behind the scenes) but gymnastics always had super strict weight and size regulations leading to horrific eating disorders, body dysmorphia and other issues. Now while it's still bad, a lot of coaches are being much healthier and don't shame girls for their bodies.
L'ancienne gymnastique plus saine ? Des personnes sont mortes ou handicapées à cause de figures qui ont été interdites depuis.. c'est pas parce que ça paraît plus fluide que c'est moins dangereux
Mec il y avait beaucoup plus d'accident avant comparé a maintenant, le créateur de la vidéo a aussi choisi des extraits qui privilégie la gymnastique d'avant
Gymnasts now are far and away better than they have ever been, but the reason you don’t see some of the moves from the 70s and 80s today (even though gymnasts today can pull off on average much more technically difficult skills) is that many of them have been banned or removed from the code of points. Olga Korbut’s dead loop, also called the Korbut, carried severe risk of injury, with a minor error posing a risk of paralysis or death due to head or spinal injuries. Oddly enough, that wasn’t even the main reason that the move was banned-there are plenty of dangerous skills in current gymnasts’ repertoires. Actually it was banned because standing on the bar disrupts the flow of the routine, so the skill was removed for stylistic reasons. The vault is probably the skill that has advanced the most over the past few decades, with some of the most common vaults from the 70s like the Yamashita 1/2 no longer even being competitive at the junior level. You can look up the Yamashita 1/2 in comparison to, say, a double-twisting Yurchenko or a Produnova for reference
I think you showed the different levels of gymnastics in the older gymnastics I recognized some moves that they did that my sister also sometimes did, but for the modern version you shows clips from the Olympics and other amazing gymnast.
