Old Lure On A Lathe 

@ AandB1998 That was my intention , ....glad to hear , that it obviously worked out ! Thanks a lot for chiming in and commenting , .......tight lines , Dieter

Thanks a lot , Wayne , ......this type of lure is about the oldest type of a diving lure , that floats up at rest , around for more than 100 years now . And they still catch today !

@@61diemai I'm gona try to make it his from cedar, oak , poplar woods

@@wayned5872 Well-seasoned poplar and cedar would be the better choices from your mentioned options , oak ist too hard , too heavy and too dense(not to mention that it is harder to work with) . During many years of lure making I've found out , that denser and heavier hardwoods do not provide sufficient wiggle and action to a wiggling lure , as more mass has to be moved by the diving vane shouldering into the water . It is in the nature of the design , that the integrated diving vanes of these lures do not provide such a pronounced , strong and regular wiggle compared to more "modern" lures sporting glued-in or screwed-on diving lips do as these lips potrude further over the lure's belly , thus provide better leverage in the water . The swimming action action of these old-time lure models with their integrated diving vanes is somewhat more smooth and irregular in it's frequency . This is why a lighter timber material is more essential for these oldtime lure models , ...for same reason any added ballast also is counterproductive on such lures with integrated diving vanes . Many years ago I've made two comparable ones of such lures both of lighter and denser wood , and the one of denser wood did not swim as well , those heavier lures also have more tendency to overturn and blow out , as the lesser buoancy does not provide as much side stability whilst swimming along . Also carried out such experiments with two same lures sporting plastic diving lips , also here the one made of denser hardwood did not wiggle as nicely and at a smaller frequency and also was subject to blow-out on higher paces of retrieve , compared to the one made of lighter thus more buoyant timber . Anyway , I'm wishing you good luck with your efforts , as nothing beats the satisfaction of catching fish on our own homemade lure creations . Tight lines , Dieter

Yeah , Vic , ....line tie position is really critical , as no lip tweaking possible , also added ballast would most likely not do any good , ....I reckon , that you had watched the swim test video as well ? There is a thread on TU dealing on the genuine "Rush Tango Minnows" , if you haven't come across yet : www.tackleunderground.com/community/topic/17724-my-latest-lure-test-video/?&hl=%20rush%20%20tango Good luck , Dieter

Thanks , ...glad that you like it !

Somewhere on "tackleunderground.com" there is a thread of mine containing exact measurements taken from genuine vintage "Rush Tango Minnows" , maybe you should sign in and meet me there(diemai) ? If you should be in need , you'd also get help there about ALL questions regarding ALL kinds of lures . But maybe you can't use the deeper diving "Tango's" for the surf , as they'd dig down 4 to 10 feet , depending on size and buoyancy ,.....they just have a bigger diving vane pointing more forward compared to the lure in the video , but otherwise are the same style . Good luck , Dieter

I do not have any experiences with resin cast lures , but if some guys are making multiple sectioned swimbaits out of resin , this simple lure shape should come pretty easy , I suppose , .......just a matter of adding enough microballoons to your resin to achieve the right buoancy , ....also you should go thru-wired , I reckon ? Good luck , Dieter

+Harm Deiman Quite impossible to do here on RU-vid , as it takes a bit of communication and also posting pictures and deatailed describtions about your problems with the faulty lures . I would advise you to join www.tackleunderground.com/ , it's the wolds largest lurebuilding forum based in the USA . I figure out , that you are located in the Netherlands , so if you should probably understand German, you may also join forum.mt-lures.de/index.php ........a Dutch site , that is related to luremaking is www.lurebuilding.nl/index.html .......but this one does not have a forum for discussions , as far , as I'm concerned . Such forums have always helped out newbie luremakers to get their first lures to perform , ...just join in , post your questions along with some pictures in there and surely someone would lead you on the right path . Good luck , Dieter BTW , .....I'm also active on both the German and the US forums , my screenname there is "diemai" .

Hi yesterday i joined tackleunderground. I will send some pictures tonight... now i'm of to work 😀

+Harm Deiman Saw your initial post in there , ...looking forward to see your lure pictures , ......Greetz , Dieter

Actually I don't know , did the lure freehanded ,........a longer head con results into a more forward pointing diving plane for deeper diving ,a shorter head con as shown results into a more downward pointing diving plane for shallower running . Some more info about more accurate versions of the old "Rush Tango Minnow" in here : www.tackleunderground.com/community/topic/17724-my-latest-lure-test-Video Actually one can make such lures differently in terms of lip angle , body shape , etc. to get different swimming actions ,...best is to make a simple sketch for yourself to work after, try making different versions to see , what works best for you . Good luck , 61diemai

+Paul Giglio It's not a genuine lathe , rather a lathe device consisting of a aluminum base rail, a clamp mount with a 43mm standard bore to fix an electric drill , tool rest and a tailstock with a tip . Instead of a drill I have a pimped electric motor with a 43mm flange and a chuck to clamp the center tip piece , ......that motor just generates more power than a cheaper drill , also runs smoother . Center tip clearance above the base rail is about 8cms , max. distance between tips is about 60cms ,.........so to me it is enough for hobby luremaking , but also just not a real woodworking pro's power tool ! Greetz , Dieter

+outdoors man In theory it is possible , off course , I have made very few jointed versions as well ! BUT , .....I have concerns about the sheer size and volume of such large lure , meaning that being made of Red Cedar it would turn out extremely buoyant , thus might not dive properly , maybe just a few inches deep or even turn out a wake bait . And as I've stated in the video , added ballast to such lures with an integrated diving plane is also problematic , especially a jointed lure won't forgive too much ballast in the rear section . On the other hand , a lure of a less buoyant sort of timber would tend to dive deeper, but also heavier material does dampen the wiggling action , that is a rule of thumb about any kind of timber lure , ....the more dense material , the more sluggish the action , ....vice versa , .....the lighter the material , the more lively the action . So I guess , that you would not get around some trial and error , .....I'd suggest to keep the lurebody somewhat more slender to decrease volume thus buoancy a bit , .....naturally for muskie you would also assemble heavier and sturdy hardware , which would also decrease buoancy to a certain grade . As a little input you might google term "Heddon Gamefisher" , this is a double-jointed vintage lure of that style , though it's lip portion is a little different and irregular shaped . You might also sign in on www.tackleunderground.com , if you'd need further assistance , some great guys around there always willing to help fellow lure carvers out , .....also there is a thread there about the old "Rush Tango Minnow" , ....the earliest "ancestor" of this type of lures , dating back to about 1915 , ......I've once put up exact measurements taken from original(one piece) lures there . Good luck and best greetings from northern Germany , Dieter

+61diemai thank you so much for your help and advice on how to make it work for me and I will look at that site as well! what wood do you think i can make it out of that will give me a nice midd water running depth 4 to 6 feet deep

+61diemai thank you so much for your help and advice on how to make it work for me and I will look at that site as well! what wood do you think i can make it out of that will give me a nice midd water running depth 4 to 6 feet deep

+outdoors man I'm not too familiar with your timbers over there in the US , ....I know Red Cedar , since a friend from Tennessee had once send me some samples , ......is Basswood or Poplar even heavier than Red Cedar ? At least these are the three timbers , that I know to be mainly used for lures in the USA , ........for heavier lures , in particular glidebaits I'm also using Teakwood , ....but remember , ..for a lure of your intended size you'd need quite a big log to turn down on your lathe . Good Luck , Dieter

+61diemai I can get all kinds of wood I have a friend at the saw mill that can get me all woods from around the world I just wanted you're input on this I'm willing to make it a little smaller if I have to not a big deal to me tight lines from the America my friend