Follow me on Instagram: wii_music_inten... Video comparison of the North American Taekwondo Championships from 1999 to the +80kg Olympic gold medal bout from Tokyo 2021
It becuz 90s is hardtime...and ain't taekwondo is about leg?now is like dancing...ik i have no right to judge since i didn't learn taekwondo but still...is it fact that it look like dancing?kick a little then "hugs"...boom referee come, separate them...then continue other...lol
It’s because now a days you don’t have to kick as hard especially with the electronic chest gears. All you have to do is brush it lightly with your foot and then sensors will pick up the magnet and you’ll get a point. But back then you had to kick harder to gain a point but’s it’s mainly up to the judges but they’ll most likely give a point if they hear a pop even if it only makes contact with an arm guard thus encouraging harder kicks. As a side note idk why that ref split them up so early usually they wait a little before they split them up.
@@kendallpeebles7481 people are just really passive and there isn't a sense of combat like it use to be. KOs is some ares get you disqualified and there isn't a insensitive to go hard.
It has recently been confirmed that modern TKD will change the point system because of this. From a point system where you fain point by hitting the opponent and reserving further interaction after doing so(a.k.a playing safe), but a point nerfing system where you hit the opponent as much as you can and lower there points. Favoring the more aggressive side since sitting back and playing safe will do you very little good since you can't secure your points anymore. Almost like a real video game. It's still undergoing tests but I really hope it succeeds.
Personally I wish they'd make it a score card system like MMA. Obviously judges aren't infallible, but I'd rather watch two people actually try to get the better of one another in direct combat
I'm a black belt trained in a karate style fully focused in real fights and self defense. When I watched the olympic karate in 2021 it was just sad. In one of the "fights" a guy got disqualified for excessive use of force after knocking out his opponent.
Why lose spirit when its competitive?? Is not the reason the reason is media, organizers or what shits above the sportsman. They want safe shit and gay stuff rules, they want it to be like tv friendly, boring and shit
Old schooler here. Part of the strategy back then was to hit hard enough to injure the opponent so that he becomes less effective as the fight progresses. Lots of knockouts back then too
I never got good in Taekwondo really, but my instructor was pretty hardcore. He was ex ROK marine officer and instructor. I asked if we could spar, as he had forbidden me from doing so until I could build back my fundamentals (I went to a mcdojo before that). He smiled and said yes after a year of training. It was clear he was pulling his punches, but it was brutal. Brutal as in "I thought juggling was just something that happened in fighting games", but his kicks were so hard and fast, that I might as well have been airborne. Ironically, this was precisely the reason why I ended up stopping later on, as I realized that getting to that point required an already gifted athlete decades of constant training. Something which I could never dedicate. Looking back on it, I sorta regret it.
@@akshaykali7037 Anything with the heel is really dangerous. He looked like he threw it pretty respectful with flat foot, but traditionally it's thrown with heel leading into target.
I love TKD, got in the game late mid 20's. Did it for over 10 years. My master was a little bit older then me but not by much. So I hand the privilege of getting my ass kick by him. I learn so much. Controlling power, distance, spinning Roundhouse kick to the head, Feint kicks, feint punch. I remember I got him good once. but then the look in his eyes, was just pure focus on kicking my ass. Yup, my Will is up to date. Let's Go!!! It took a week to recover , Korean songs are written about this fight. Thank you TKD and Master Peter Your lessons are not wasted on me.
Back then, it was probably more regarded as an active fighting style whereas the new school rather focuses on evasion, defence and saving energy. In my classes in the early 2000s, we were taught that the best method of Taekwondo application isn't fighting but de-escalation. The combat was reserved for the absolute emergency and blocks as well as general fitness and agility were the priority in training. I agree with this style and philosophy for real life, but it's obviously not suitable for tournaments with an audience who want an entertaining spectacle.
jut maters on the fiters personaliry, if they are agressive it can still be lki the 19999s but if they arent it can be like the modern, it never really changed
It's gone from rear leg to front leg focused. With the electric bogu, speed matters over everything. Old school the quality of the hit mattered, so rear leg was used. Way prefer old school over new. It's literally foot fencing now, except fencing has swords, which automatically makes it cooler.
It’s not only the electric chest guards they changed the rules making a hit to the chest with no spins, 2 points, so obviously they’ll most likely try to stack up points by just doing that since it’s a pretty safe option.
I remember practicing TKD as a kid back in the 90s and when we trained with the national team, they really went all out. They spun a lot to fake turning side kicks and spinning round kicks. They would do non stop bullet kicks, or pull the armor down to do an axe or out-in kick. I distinctly remember one of the guys instructing us not to stop kicking until the referee calls for a break. Fun times.
I'm seeing weird thing where people are saying that 90s tkd hit so hard they break and u should knock out ur opponents and modern tkd is worse while others saying it shouldn't and need to emphasize control or something like that in these comments. while I'm here where people can hit like trucks but not actively trying to badly injure the opponent while also having a point based system but people still go for aggressive strats(cus its time limit based so generally go for as many hits as possible) that look like the fights seen in the video from the 90s(possibly a lower frequency of the flying spin and just flying in general kicks due to it often leaving u open to counters and can't get enough distance to perform them generally tho the ones u mention are still fairly common )
Before it was an olympic sport it was a real fighting style. I remember walking into class one night and being told everything had changed, class format, grading structure, new uniforms and pads. Overnight it went from a self defence class to a point sport.
@@justkev1044 my dude, put down the bong, you’re making no sense. Kung fu isn’t really a scoring sport, it’s more like yoga. And back then in martial arts that WERE a competitive sport, they played for knockouts not point count because often times a knockout would come first. Edit: and finally, they’re all fighting styles, just like how flailing, running away, and cowering in the fetal position can all be considered a “fighting style”.
I have been teaching Taekwondo for almost 50 years in my career now. Being a formal national-level taekwondo competitor it aches my heart to see how the great and fearsome style has been reduced to some catfight. The other day, a former colleague of mine, who also was a renowned taekwondo instructor during his days was challenged by a young taekwondoin who apparently was the state champion. Guess what, the entire match ended within 30 secs with 2 kicks, the 2nd one being a knock out by my colleague. The kid now doubts if he can even defend himself in a real-life threat situation.
My coach is also an old schooler. He even has a picture with choi hong hi himself (I think that's how it's spelled 😅)As an itf taekwondo martial artist (ITF is the classic one) sparring in my dojo is intense af, especially when no one appears there, I spar with my coach and it's amazing. He doesn't go easy on me at all cuz I have been practicing for like 10 years so its even harder
TKD 2021: “damn it, strategy! Points points points!” TKD 1999: “be a man! Stand your ground, and let me send you to oblivion with my Flying Thunder Kamehame Kick!”
Big difference, old school looks like they have come to fight, new school look like they have come to dance. I find watching Taekwondo boring, but I see why now, it's a watered down version of what it used to be. I'd quite enjoy watching the old tournaments.
If you would enjoy the old tournaments just watch kickboxing lol. I could say muay thai as well but you will much more of tkd style kicks in kickboxing
i thank god so much for having older teachers who specialise in more traditional sparring for tkd. instead of kid-friendly karate, i got to learn shit that could actually help me get out of a sticky situation
Training and competing in TKD in the late '80s, I was utterly disappointed watching the competition in the 2020 Olympics. I can't believe how much it has devolved. Instead of fast and powerful kicking combinations, it now consists of one-legged fighters with weak, tippy-tappy kicks. I hope it's still practiced on the local levels like it was back in my day
I feel tempted to go to a practice at a local school and kick the real taekwondo into their skulls. I bet these new "fighters" don't even know what having the air kicked out of you feels like
It's the corruption of sport. Martial arts practitioners used to acknowledge that the purpose of the art, philosophy aside, was to learn how to efficiently destroy another human being with your own body while preventing them from doing the same to you. Good instructors would also teach the importance and gravity of knowing when it is and isn't appropriate to do so, self-discipline, and the philosophy of combat but ultimately the techniques are for destruction. Modern coaches teach the idea that what they're doing is sport, ultimately a game, with rules and point systems that just plain don't exist in an actual fight. It's exercise, it's competition, it's belts and trophies, it's *not* fighting. Taekwondo is a serious victim of this "evolution" but it's far from the worst. Among modern martial arts, I'd say judo has probably suffered the worst; ground fighting abandoned to the point that scoring systems now reward throws that land you in bad ground positions, giving up your back for nothing, over-committing to throws to the point of going down with the foe for no good reason, etc. Still better than what's happened to the classics with the growth of noncontact or minimal, controlled contact practices like with various stripes of kung-fu and aikido. On the bright side, I've recently been seeing the beginnings of a martial arts renaissance online. Lots of folks reexamining the old methods, rediscovering the roots of various practices that have been consumed by woo. I think I see the beginning of a bright future ahead.
@@Jackhunter19870 I know. I mentioned TKD for the vid and Judo for being one of the worst victims of it. An exhaustive list might bump up against the YT character limit for comments. 😂
Wrestlers will often give up their back to avoid getting pinned, which is a terrible position to be in a fight, but its still arguably the most crucial skill mma. Boxing is also first a foremost a sport, just with the objective to knock the opponent out. It all ultimately comes down to what the win condition is, but i agree with you general assessment that a lot of these combat sports have gotten soft
I did Taekwondo as a kid. One instructor was a super top end Judo guy too and thought self defense through the dojo as well as us doing kickboxing there. It was so fun and fortunately looked MUCH closer the the old vids when they tried to get me to do sparring tournaments. I did say sparring tournaments for a reason, there were adult point based tournaments too but they usually didn’t use any gear for some reason and matches weren’t broken after a single hit until the interaction was over for a reset. Mostly the adults just did bloody light gloved mma matches while the kiddies were a warmup with the point system. We literally called them sparring tournaments as it wasn’t real. Such a joke to see how those rules turn into a lame game when you’re not training for something better.
I’m a third degree black belt and trained with Hong Kong Kim, Dee’s Tae Kwon Do, Kristina Bailey. I had seminars with Juan Moreno and Kay Po. I competed nationally in the early 2000s and man it was thrilling. Such high level talent was a spectacle to witness and be a part of. The sport has gone way down hill.
So - I've trained under one of the best Grandmasters in WTF history. Ko Eui Min - mind you, this man taught Kim Se Hyuk, the former Korean National Team coach. Ko Eui Min's current school is in Munich, Germany and he teaches (not sure if Ko Eui Min still teaches) with his son, Ko Young Jae. There was a 3 day seminar where Kim Se Hyuk trained us to be proficient in sparring. Kim Se Hyuk also brought with him some of those from the Korean team that were due to compete in international tournament. We watched replays of many of the finals fights that won Korea gold, especially the 2004 Men's heavy weight in Athens. This was the fight where Moon Dae Sung won Korea gold, it does look a little like "foot fencing". If you watch the video, you'll see Moon Dae Sung climb into the stands and shake hands with several people. One of them, in a red sports coat, is Ko Eui Min. To give SOME explanation as to the stark difference in sparring, watch Moon Dae Sung fight for gold. It does look like foot fencing in a way. A lot of other styles of fighting, MMA, Muay Thai, and Boxing are good examples are judged by either knock out, or score cards. Where as Taekwondo is based upon a point system. Old Taekwondo was, in some cases, a point system. Other cases not so much. Here's how that creates a difference. When it comes to score cards, your objective is to be the most aggressive and dominant fighter on the mat. Period. When you establish that, you will win the fight if it comes to a score card/judge decision. But, when you're fighting for points, it's not as simple. When fighting for points, you're wanting to gain as much as an advantage first, while giving up as little as possible. Hence, "foot fencing". I can vividly remember when training under Ko Eui Min, who certified me for my 3rd Degree black belt that was not scheduled per normal timings, but as a favor, we sparred with a very, lack of better phrasing, controlled violence. What I mean by this is that we would be moving fast, but our kicks would never be to injure. We knew our strengths, and how much damage a full powered kick could do, but we controlled them to never injure. Did we sometimes get bruised? Absolutely, it's to be expected when not sparing with any protective gear. We sparred to learn our strengths, range of motion, explore our technique in sparring, learning fighting IQ. Almost the same as the competitive style, but again with a controlled violence. When I moved back to the US and trained under a drastically different methodology/ideology, people (students, and parents of students) were surprised and wanted to learn from me. I was confused at first, but it made sense. Schools nowadays teach for point advantages, not controlled violence. Thus, when we brought out the big targets where you brace a kick with your body weight, I'd have to constantly tone down the power of my kicks as they were soft foam targets, and a strong kick could easily knock someone back if they're not prepared. TL;DR - My point in all this is that, there is a complete shift of ideology. Old heads, like me (even though I'm only in my 20's) are stuck in the idea of controlled violence, win by a land slide, keep kicking until you can can't kick anymore, style of sparring. Nowadays, the competitive style of sparring is to edge out the opponent, gain points, don't give any points up. I can understand the shift, but man the old style was a lot more fun.
Surely if you are good the first style beats the second right. They stand there and have everything planned out are not used to pain. You might lose some point at star, but they will break. If you go in and just throw wrench into it, it should work, right?
@@oORoOFLOo At one of my first competitions I actually did try to fight with just "brute force". Doesn't necessarily work. Here's why: Everyone is infatuated with head kicks and "foot fencing". So there's some body mechanics that play into this as well. If your body is standing straight up, your leg extending outwards at a 90 degree angle, we'll call the distance your leg can reach "X". If your body is standing straight up, and your leg at a 45 degree angle relative to your upper body, we'll call the distance your leg can reach "Y". However, Y is a shorter distance than X inherently. But knowing this, and knowing how Taekwondo is fought, no one in their right mind fights standing straight up. Thus, when you kick outwards as if your leg was at a 90 degree angle, but your upper body is leaned back by any amount, we'll call the distance you can reach "A". A will reach a longer distance than X. Hands down, period. If your upper body is leaned back, and you were going for a head kick just like Y, we'll call this distance "B". B will reach a longer distance than Y every time. But, since we know X is longer than Y, thus A is longer than B, why does everyone go for head kicks? Because it's clinch city baby. My very first competition I was able to "outclass" some people with just pure speed, and agility. However, the last person I fought against only clinched and went for head kicks. You can, if you're flexible enough, kick someone's head in a clinch by swinging your leg outwards, and pulling it back in, slightly separating from the clinch, and land your foot on their head, and it will count. Did I land, in number, more kicks than him? Yes, but he was more effective at landing head kicks. Mind you, head kicks were 3 points, vs body kicks were 1 point. So you can see the dynamic this sets up. With this point system. The chest guards we use these days are, from what I can feel and think of, very thick and compacted cardboard that doesn't bend very easily. I mean this stuff is extremely tough and durable. And as this was a
I trained in TKD in Korea more than 60 years ago while in the 2nd Infantry Division. We used our hands almost as much as our feet. Full contact and no mercy. Just no punches to the head, no kicks to the ground in tournaments.
@@RGMarcel kickboxing is combination of savate, karate, and Western boxing with small elements of Muay Thai. But it still loses to any combination of Taekwondo (ITF) + Western boxing or Muay Thai
I only took TKD for a very short time as a kid back in the 80's. I still can remember getting kicked in the face so many times, till crying out of frustration. Seeing my dad (RIP) telling me get back in there and keep tying same as my teacher. I was so proud when eventually and finally was able to beat the other kid who also cried in frustration. Tks dad and sensei for not letting me quit and teaching me valuable lesson as a young kid.
The Olympics made TKD a joke. I started practicing when I was 5 in the early 90s and only stopped in my late teenage years. I was lucky to have an old timer as master, he taught me how important was the momentum to generate force in a kick and how to let your body flow with the movement. The endurance you end up building is insane and sparring was just so much fun! Being honest, it was fun even when my master knocked me out, and he was using a small fraction of his strength (I was never injured or hurt, just got sore sometimes). Nowadays when I pass in front of a school teaching TKD lessons, is just depressing. I loved those drills in which I could barely lift my legs after 5 minutes of intense kicking and punching...
same and i don't know if it is in your case too or not but i always feeling excited and scared at the same time when it's come to sparring, because back then the sparring sessions are brutal, full on contact just like how it supposed to, right now even the Olympics event looks like a freaking salsa class.
Yea, i get your feelings, when i sparring with my friend, it feel excited and nervous at the same time, but we prohibited punch and we have such a great time, i missed those time
Ditto, started as 5 yr old in 92. Will never forget I had my growth spurt around 14 and started sparring adults in class. Very first fight was against Tony Graf as we trained together in Queens with Peter Bardatsos. Anyway, five seconds into the fight, Tony blasted me in the face with an axe kick and simply said "keep your hands up." I went back to nationals in 2013 and 2014 and ended up tearing my ACL. I wanted to come back but after seeing what it had started to become, I wanted no part bc I wasnt risking another injury for it.
I remember when the eletric sensors started. There was 2 main companies trying to become standard. One had a harder calibration thus kicks required strenght to score, while the other was more sensitive using mostly touch sensitivity so only speed and precision was needed. Unfortunatelly the second "won" and the "precision" lost the formal technique for score srrategies. Tkd would be completelly different now had the first sensitivity setting became standard
I recall testing the equipment and called bs on the sensitive one. Having that knowledge, i barely wiped my foot a few times on their hogu and scored cheap points. People kept wondering how my score was higher. I said blame the equipment. I was a beta tester so i know the quirks. I carefully exolained to them that Im working within the rules and limitations of the equipment so dont virtue signal.
Wow, did not know this. Back in college our tkd confefence started using pressure sensitive electronic hogus - they’d set different pressure thresholds for each weight class and in order to score you’d have to kick hard enough. I always assumed that became standardized across Olympic Tkd… I guess not
I've been doing ITF TKD for around 15 years now. They phased out chest guards awhile ago and our strikes aren't exactly like 1999 WTF, but the matches look a lot more like 1999 than 2011. I think my school's master would've kicked people out if they went for hugs and threw weak, distant attacks like that lol.
My master told me when he started he would try to hit them hard enough so they would be weaker in the match. He seems to really dislike where Taekwondo has gone. he told me it was originally made to help bring order and help people defend themselves. Now it’s just been made into a foot sport.
@@spidermonk3uVvwy8-2 Clearly you haven't been kicked in your entire life. A kick can graze you and still ends up inflicting devastating damage unlike punches.
It's the same with pretty much all styles that used point scoring instead of full-contact like boxing and MMA. The McDojos are winning the war simply because they're cheaper to operate, take less effort, and churn out more "black belts" by dint of bigger class sizes and lower standards.
Your master told you to hit harder enough to reduce their ability to fight, but he didn't tell you that is all fighers do and it didn't tell you where to hit. Because i know alot of people because i fought in hundreds of matches in competitions during my time that alot of cowards hit you in thigh of the leg wich is not legal. Because if you want to hit someone hard enough in the vest to make them weaker, good luck with that. And then the only place remaining where you can hit them to make them weaker or even end the fight is the head. Your master was obviously not a master but just a coward fighter. Because if he was a master he would know that in fight because of the adrenaline you don't even fell if someone Knocks you out, you feel the pain after the match is ended and your body starts to cool off. This is how cowards think, instead of thinking how to give your best a fight a decent match, fair. Is because of fear, this is a thinking based on fear. The only place where you can legit and legal make your opponent weaker if you hit hard is the head, and for that you need skill. To hit someone in the legal areas hard enough to make them weaker, i think your so called master failed to mention that is really hard. Only maybe if you put a pro against a newb
I don't do tkd anymore, but I trained when I was in high school in the early 70's when tkd was also called "Korean Karate". That was an "old school" that most people now are not even aware of. We used lots of punches and back fists in addition to the kicks (no padding, btw). The style really reflected the Shotokan influence on the original tkd (General Choi, the "father of tkd" was a nidan in Shotokan, and it was an integral part of the original system). Check out some tkd videos from that era to see how much it has changed.
There's a difference between learning a real Martial Art vs the Sport vs. Just like there is a difference between learning really sword fighting and the Sport of Fencing.
I remember when I was a teenager, I was at a tournament and witnessed these brothers from S. Korea, both black belts, sparred against each other. It was the most amazing bout I ever saw. It was like they both hardly touched the ground. They were aggressive, graceful, and amazing.
The meta change is ultimately a result of rules changing and the competitors adapting to it. As much as spectators want to see an exciting match, the athletes want to win, and if you try to fight in the old-school style in a modern competition, you are decreasing your chances of winning. I know the WTF has tried a lot of rule changes to try to discourage some of the strategies that made it "boring to watch" (like changing the point systems a few times now, penalizing falling, stopping competitors from keeping their lead leg up for an extended period), but it seems like every time they ban one of these boring strategies, a new one is created. FWIW the fights at smaller regional tournaments often look closer to the old-school style because you get larger skill differences and more risk-taking, along with competitors that don't train specifically for competition (and thus aren't practised at, or don't even know, the boring but effective strategies utilised at more competitive tournaments).
I did 14 years TKD to second Dan BB in the 80s and early 90s and I could not agree more..Even back then I trained against the so called guys looking to go to the Olympics…All being taught how to score points. It was turning to shit even back then..I sat and laughed with my daughter when we watched the TKD at the last Olympics..
2nd dan here. Similar experience though I started in the early 2000s. The change in tournament rules drives this and they've neutered the art of the killing power which was what made the art unique in the first place. The whole reason to specialize in kicking was to take advantage of the range and power. Then they set tournament rules that removed the power. One of my masters called it fighting like "jumping chickens." It's very different from what I learned from my first ROK army-trained master.
@@kma3647 Yes sounds very similar indeed.. My head instructor was trained by General Choi himself and one of the 12 grand masters, 12 masters were all sent around the world. And yes all North Korean military.. technique, Power and speed was the ultimate goal.. We were trained to finish fights fast, eyes, groin throat attacks were all part of our training..50% Shotakan Karate 50% TKD was International TKD Federation (didn’t know that at the time)..Sounds like you were trained the same… Like Joe Rogan says by itself it’s a flawed martial art but take these skills learnt and add boxing and some other mma skills to your repertoire, and your kicks become lethal.. :)
As a skater, it is an absolute joke to have skating in the Olympics. They can only recruit the most boring guys. The ones that are praised as our best would never fit the mold of an Olympian. They are more the gritty and rough around the edges. Real respect comes from the community you are a part of, not from a panel of judges on the other side of the world, that are comprised of old has beens. Skateboarding in the Olympics means nothing to any average skater. It has no credibility and probably never will.
There's a lot of factors, but the main one wasn't really the sport coming to the Olympics but rather the implementation of electronic sensors to score points. The way points are scored now is with sensors on the feet, but a lot of sensor systems give more priority to the surface area of the contact with very little regard to force; thus, it's usually better to save energy and go for fast kicks at weird angles (but not necessarily strong). They also made the ring a lot smaller, so controlling space with cut kicks (the pushing kicks) became a very dominant strategy as it is very low-commitment but with decent reward; basically from the center position if you can push back the opponent 3 times with cut-kick it's usually a ring out, which scores you a point, and they get reset to the edge of the ring and have to deal with that threat again. You basically force your opponent to have to commit to something to take back space, increasing their chance of making mistakes, while you have a lot more options to work with due to controlling the space. This is also why clinching (where the fighters get really close together) is really common, as a lot of the times neither fighter wants the other to cut-kick and be forced to give up space, so they mutually agree to have the judge reset the fight to a neutral position. Before the sensors were implemented, a lot of the strategy of sparring was "selling" the hit to the judges so you had a lot more flamboyant techniques and more forceful hits, and a lot of fighters will do mini "celebrations" after landing a hit (or landing one that they might trick the judges into giving them a point for, even if it was blocked). This older system had its own problems as there were a lot more false positives where hits that were actually blocked were rewarded points. There's still a lot of interesting strategy in modern sparring, but the older system generally lent itself to be a more interesting spectator sport.
And modern karate would fit some of these situations, like, when I was during the athlete career at my young age. My coach sometimes telling us the story about broken one or two ribs during the competitions are pretty normal in early era. And if you have no fake teeth in your mouth, than you’re probably not the one who carried the black belt with you. Ngl, Fists on meat truly felt different, better than pre-workout.
Never forget I broke my forearm in the first round of my first fight when I was 14 at 2000 junior nationals. It was a hairline fracture so it wasnt a clean break but man, fighting through that pain was awful. But I got a bronze medal so it made it hurt a bit less.
Back in 2012, i learned self-defense martial art from a teacher near my friend's house, the interesting thing is that the teacher used to train taekwondo for the South Vietnamese army to fight Viet Cong , so he has a very different technique from modern taekwondo , he teach us always put hands to guard ,use punch when get close, control legs when kicking and trained leg muscles to stand firm , always be aggressive when attacking but still keep cold-headed, it was about strength and self discipline. And up into now i have never regretted it.
@@minhxuong1650 Well, obviously, if your attacker is unarmed, being able to use ITF TKD or Power Era WF gives you an enormous advantage. What I’m talking about is an armed attacker.
@@minhxuong1650 Nowadays, not a lot of people are going to go around attacking you with just their fists alone. Even if they didn’t carry anything, they’ll probably pick up a brick nearby or something.
@@dungww2006 well if you encounter an armed attacker just run away from them, life is more important than pride, but if you are confident and manage risk carefully you can beat the attacker
It is crazy to think of how different things can be. My TKD instructor has been training in TKD since the early 60's, and he has some wild stories, things like bare handed sparring at tournaments, using sweeps and takedowns (which are far more likely to cause serious injury) and things like that. It is really interesting!
@Emma Brummer I learned tkd in the 90s in wny inner city schools. Once you got to red belt it was gloves, foot pad and mouth guard that's it. No helmet no chest pads, no shin guards. We punched allot and to the face. That's real tkd.
Yeah, electronic sensors destroyed taekwondo. It was harder to tell who kicked first without the technology so they instead had rule where you had to kick hard and you get a point based on the effect. With electric sensor you just have to touch the opponent slightly and it immediately knows who kicked first.
@@notuxnobux I agree, and to add onto that they made a chest hit with no spin 2 points instead of 1 so a lot more people will be trying to stack points that way
20 years later my body is not able to keep with the speed I had during those years competing. But anybody like me who grew up training during those years there is one thing we can do that we will never forget. Close enormous distance in a split second with superior footwork. 👍. Man I miss those days…..thanks for the memories.
I love this because it's so true. There was a time when I thought WTF was a great sport to watch but wathcing it at the Olympics the last few years sucked. So boring and not a lot of combos, chances being taken, or excitement.
You would be surprised to read Funakoshi, the founder of modern karate, writing in 1956 (already), that the technical level of karate dropped after WW2 :'DDD
After a tournament back in the early 2000s, a guy I competed against asked me if my style was even TKD. He said it didnt look like TKD. My TKD competition team focused on trying to get knockouts. It really has changed.
I started TKD 20 odd years ago after years of Karate. The organisation I joined had a Korean master who was attempting to return TKD to its original pre 1950s roots and it was fantastic. Then the inevitable ‘political’ bust up and the group split in two. Unfortunately the half I was in went down the Olympic sport route, need I say more. Totally pointless system after that.
Having competed as part of a travel team within the US in the 00s, Tkd was war. You went in there to kill or be killed. Or at least that’s what Mosquera taught us. Electronic scoring changed it to a sport and it brought a ton of bugs. Lots of weird inconsistencies, people getting caught turning off the sensors/removing batteries/whacky calibrations, etc. Very frustrating as a competitor.
I made a junior olympic run in taekwondo back in 2010. They were just starting the electronic scoring at the time. I went to an olympic qualifier in York PA and we had to use those stupid sensor socks and the electronic chest protector. took like 20 minutes to set up, and the other guy had to kick me like 50 times before it registered. and then they started our bracket. it was so ridiculous. like how is this even a real contest? I was standing still, chest exposed, and he was hitting me pretty hard. he practically had to do a muay thai style round kick like he was hitting the pads, a kick he would NEVER get off in any kind of fighting situation, to finally get the thing to register. of course I beat him 7-0 because there was no way he was gonna score a point like that. it was so annoying. i was looking forward to banging with another heavyweight my age and skill level. instead I get a hollow win that i didn't even want. just score like normal judges.
WHAT I LEARNED UNDER MOSQUERA FOR LIKE 7 YEARS!!!!! It's such a coincidence that I see a mention of him here cuz I was with him for like 7 years till quarantine hit and now I see this on a completely random yt comment section I am literally baffled
I started in the early 90s as a kid and competed for a long time. Went back to nationals in 2013 and 2014, and it had already started the change. I called it quits bc I had no urge to adopt that awful new trash style.
91~92 Canadian Provincial Champ, 93 Can National /Pan Am Runner up here. I left the sport in 94 for university education, which I do not regret. It was a good part of my life, but I must say a lot has changed in WTF/TKD since then. I miss the 90s TKD, and the friends I had in the sport back then..it was raw, but was hell of fun.
I miss the old days of TKD. I trained under a Korean 9th degree master, we had a sparring group in our dojang. We would go on the weekends to other local schools and spar their fighters. We were feared locally..it was intense fighting too because everyone was trying to represent their dojang, it was hard full contact sparring.
when trained with my 3rd sabeum, i've usually must be do full contacts sparring with some punch and kick shoes like ITF style, once in training. Good ol days
I remember those glorious KOs with a roundhouse or with side kicks, also taking heavy kicks at full strenght. Now it's all faint touches and points, kind of like a Wii minigame.
Power era tkd is when foot fencing could be seen like a compliment. Perfectly timed. Pretty to watch Modern tkd is like kids tapping their epees together a couple times
Been doing Kyokushin since the 80's. Back then we sometimes sparred against TKD guys who trained at the same time in the hall next to us and we were very weary of their fast, brutal kicks. These days, though I'm 30 years older, I don't worry about TKD new practitioners much anymore, it seems to have devolved from a martial art into a point scoring game. Lots of speed but no real power. Yah they hit you but it's like playing tag...
@@samsebin7895 Because (and I'm only speaking for them as I haven't ever fought other TKD practitioners) they seem to have learned to not fully connect their strikes. We do full contact, no padding Kyokoushin. If you're used to that, any kick that's fast but not connecting 100% doesn't do too much. Hence the "tag" comment.
@@samsebin7895 that speed is slowed down like crazy to minimize the time they’re in a vulnerable position. They aim to be able to snap back to their previous stance just as quick.
@@rolib6108 The modern shit they teach in stripmalls or the Shotokan "tag" competitions are indeed useless. But I was thought by an old Okinawan guy, we did 2 knuckle pushups on gravel roads, did stomach crunch scissors with a guy jumping on your stomach. All the stuff Health & Safety would ban thes4 days. Most of our fights would end in knock outs, without head punches. I fought a Muay Thai guy ones and a low kick slug fest ensued ending with him breaking his leg. Saying Karate is powerless is a dumb assertion if you don't know how they have been trained. For every useless karateka I can find you a useless MMA or Muay Thai practicioner.
If remember correctly Joe Rogan, who used to do TKD in his youth, said that the problem is with modern TKD that it's more about scoring points, rather than having an actual fight
People don’t like “actual fights” anymore these days Last year some dude challenged me to a “bar fight” after *he* spilled *my* damn drink over his _Stone Island_ sweater. Gave him a quick punch to the chest to try and scare him off, but when he saw I was faster than him the fucker pulled a knife instead (insert facepalm)
I took it as a teenager in the 90's. The sparring in class would get heated. Thankfully, our teacher was a big man who competed in the Olympics and kept things in-check.
Imo, all martial arts competitions have been influenced by too many rules and safety stuff, so fighters grow up prepared to follow the rules and not to win a fight. Competitive martial arts (but not all) are becoming more like just sport
As a former competitor at a national level in the early 2000s, there is also likely a tournament level effect here. As you move to bigger tournaments, skills go up of everyone you face in a match, you are then more cautious and focus on strategy, energy conservation, and smart point scoring. At a local tournament with a shallow division, with larger skill gaps, you can open up and have more fun with fancier techniques (especially if that tournament is not a pre qualifier for another tournament).
In the 70's, I attended a tournament, during the sparring competition I witnessed a Horseback riding stance punch straight to the solar plex...it knocked the wind out of the opponent. They had to pause the contest. It was done the exact same way we practiced in class. At that point I gained even more respect for the art. Thanks for the post.
Coming from and having taught old school. I can say that the skill level was definitely better. But it's more then that. We trained with much more intensity. Pushing ourselves to our highest limits. But that all depends on your instructor. A good instructor, should always push their students to be better then them. So this way Taekwondo becomes better through the years. Unfortunately, too many instructors have such big egos. That they do not want any students to surpass them. And won't push them to become their best. And so, Taekwondo becomes less and less aggressive as years go by. And is slowly but surely becoming a joke to a lot of other martial arts. And because of this. Many do not believe it can be effective in the streets. But I assure you, as an old school trainer and teacher. If used right. It can most surely be effective in Street situations. And why I decided to start up my own RU-vid channel.
Yeah, man. I agree. I went to school with a guy who trained in tang doo do, which I believe is another Korean martial art. (Correct me if I'm wrong) he let me feel his kicking power by holding my hands over my head while he kicked them. It felt like he tried to shatter my palms. If a martial artist lands that kind of kick on the street, the fight is over. The real tae kwon do practitioners should be taken seriously. They can probably kick a person to death.
@@RedPilled-qj9mr it is a Korean martial art other wise known as traditional taekwondo, all the stuff we know of taekwondo amped up with a crap load of practicality 🤘
@@RedPilled-qj9mr Although TaeKwondo and Tang Soo Do have so much in common. They also have some key differences. Both were created out of turmoil in Korea. And later became highly organized martial arts that are practiced by millions. Ok the difference between Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do. Tang Soo Do is a Korean form of Japanese Shotokan Karate. It balances kicking and punching and uses the hips for more powerful kicks. TaeKwonDo comes from the older Korean form Taekkyon. And uses more kicks, and generates its power through a combination of speed and accuracy.
Playing Tekken 5 and seeing Baek Doo San as a kid with his cool ass kicks is what got me into Taekwondo and what kept me into the MA because of said ferocity, but now after these years, sparring just feels like playing footsies in Street Fighter.
