It's crazy how this went from the slow, careful, mostly small scale combat to free form movement Dynasty Warriors in space. Also makes it a bit more believable that the Tenno didn't have the power to just wipe out enemy factions, but instead weaken them strategically. Back then they were more like a surgical strike team, now they're more like tactical nukes.
To be fair this guy didn't use any of the old movement options, which were slower yeah but faster than what you see. I miss the old movement mechanics personally.
@@Mecha_Hitler Nahhh coptering was annoying as hell. It limited melee options to just 2 or 3 (I only remember Dual Zoren and Tipedo tbh cause thats all i had at the time) weapons because if your weapon didnt have significant forward movement it was basically useless. And melee as a whole was just relegated to movement. That all plus having an actual stamina bar was just insanely tedious
@@cherryrook8684 I liked that it was slower, and that there was an actual reason to interact with the terrain on the map. Currently you just bullet jump, it's the same concept except I don't interact with the terrain, and I think even less.
@@TheEnder515 maybe DE wanted The Lotus to be some sort of syndicate organization similar to the Arbiters of Hexis right now? And that the lotus we see is just one of many
I started like 10 years ago and yeah, sometimes i miss the mistery this game had, and the simplicity. in these years they overcrowed the customization and the story, the majority is cool but some side quests and frames don't fit with the game original idea. Probably one of the most impactfull changes i suffered in the game is when they introduced the status system, it was so radical back them that some people left the game, the bleeding effect ruined part of the game magic in my opinion.
@@INWMI Yeah I can see how a lot of the changes might have ruined it for older players. I do feel for the ones that would prefer the game be like it was meant to. What we have now is fun. But it has become a bit of an "evangelist alienation".
Same , game lost a lot charm and atmosphere, as veteran it's different game now , game who I don't play or want to play anymore , I'd play old one rather then today one
Warframe really captured the 2012's era of games, it was rough and unpolished by todays standards but flowed pretty well and the gameplay was unique in a lot of ways
@@namedless probably, but it doesnt have the same intensity. Harrow is more like a scarry storry scripted this way. In the old times you got that feeling at everu corner. Especially simce back then revives were limited
The feeling that old school warframe gives is similer to to something like a Tom Clancy ghost recon/ modern warfare. I would be very interested in how the spy missions then felt with a slower methodical pace.
This makes me believe all those things about tenno getting killed or captured, a handful of grineer an actual threat here, and tenno have to plan around and consider. These days they just get slaughtered by the millions everytime a warframe sneezes in their general direction, how can anyone even hope to stand a chance against them.
I remember how much of a threat I thought Alad V was seeing that Warframe get dismembered, back when we thought Warframes were just powersuits with people inside.
Gotta remember tho it's been 11 years since the first tenno awoke from cryosleep so in universe it kinda makes sense in my opinion that over 11 years the tenno with warframe tech would become extremely daunting and strong with not only void mastery but warframe upgrades and the such
Well the Tenno were fighting absolutely massive odds, and this is a demo from when they first awoke. Now though, they've had these powers, and abilities for at least a decade, and have learned the truth about themselves, the Warframe, Orokin, and everything else.
this atmosphere clicked for me when the guy reached the reactor and had multiple reactor rods to shoot. carefully shooting each rod with his braton as to not waste ammo, and then realizing the lato would perform better. it really makes the warframe feel like they are on a sneaking mission to blow up the reactor, instead of just showing up and bullet jumping through 50 hallways, blowing a few rods and then just leaving while killing either 3 enemies or 425, with no in between.
I think one of the main reason why the game feels so fast now is bullet jumping spam. If it not existed as a mechanic the game will just be more powercreep in comparison to what we have now but it will be at least feel like a shooter. I kinda want to play like this, when you can't speedrun the whole map but actually play the mission like a casual soldier , technically it's how Kahl missions looks right now but it's kinda not the same
@@Thatgoonguy69Surprisingly, Warframe was thought it would fail back then. Almost nobody thought it would take off like it currently has. I think there's good things about old gameplay, and good things about new. I guess it's just personal taste which you prefer.
@@veyron4013 ohh hell naw bro the only thing broken in this game is the weapon and adding litteraly anything to make weapons, frames stronger any frame now can become tanky back 4 years only couple of those could. Any weapon now with proper modding can deal a lot of danage because of the status system in the game you litteraly walk through level 200 enemies like they're normal tbh games a bit too easy if you don't count couple stealth missions a boss fights
Remember when you have to press the left mouse button and your melee will glow and that is when your warframe can block bullets??? And it also relies on your energy as well 🤣
@@queueuof I miss it so much…it also made the energy lines on your frame glow. It was the „okay now shit gets real“ moment cause you only used it in dire circumstances. Regular Blocking basically gave you 60-70% damage reduction but channeling gave you 100% plus some bullets would be reflected back
hearing Rebecca go " alright NOW LET'S GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE" had me crying because the way she said it made it feel like you just committed a war crime
I remember this, and how HEAVY everything felt. No wonder that when I returned to the game years later, I was still trying to play the game like it was Metal Gear In Space instead of as a horde mode shooter. XD
The newer missions kind of bring back, in a sense, the darker tone of the old game. The mission were you learn about the man in the wall, the complete grim defeat of the Tenno during the new war, the exploration of the dark history behind the creation of the first warframes (seriously, the idea that they were living humans infected beyond recognition just so they could be possessed by patricidal void children is terrifying) Warframe hasn’t lost it’s horror themes, they are just overlooked by the players
@@Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmiam I agree that they still have that eerie scifi horror theme at the very core, but it does sometimes get buried by the colourful plastic tectures and angel wings, and goofy new characters and voicelines along with powercreep having removed any sense of mortality from the player. Now it feels kinda like those cartoons made for kids that still have a dark and well written lore behind it so the possible older audiences dont get too alienated
could you imagine playing the man in the wall storyline with warframe in this old state? it was creepy when i played but imagine if it had been like this and playing that one...
yeahh very HAPPY indeed.... just casually causing MASS GENEOCIDE to enslaved beings... literally tearing them apart limb by limb.... yeahh very happy indeed :3 If anything the game feels more dark and rightfully more "magical". the major difference i see is the weight, pace, and obvious graphical changes.
This is... a completely different game. Now I understand people that mention how older frames were designed for a Warframe that no longer exists. Also I can't tell what's more unsettling, the spooky ambiance or Lotus doing a swear.
Please never delete these videos it brings me right back to when I first started playing. The feeling cannot be replicated today but I'm glad these are here to remind me.
You can download these videos with something like ant download manager so you always have it. Nothing on the internet can stay since people alwaysa delete stuff
lol I learned that the hard way trying to find old videos on RU-vid and luckily some of them are on my hard drive, but many are gone to time hidden on someones HDD somewhere. RU-vid may have some of these videos still, but they make it extremely hard to find older videos before the 2014 era or 2006 to 2012. Their search function is horrid and now includes all the Shorts trash that is spamming the website (which they also seem to hate but they opened the floodgates)@@mtganalytic9796
Damn. I would pay good money to be able to go back to this when I wanted to. Much as I like modern Warframe, there's something to be said about the old game's atmosphere, the simplicity and slower pace of the gameplay.
Exactly man i wish they gave you the option for at least the starting menu, hate being inside that ship i don’t even play no more just wanted to see classic warframe
I remember when I got blueprint of this instrument instrument of annihilation, the MIGHTY SEER of death. It was the first weapon blueprint I got so I didn't really think that SEER can be a MIGHTY weapon. Yet at that very moment there was whisper in my mind... It told me that I'm unworthy of that MIGHT and should never ever even try to use the MIGHTY SEER. I couldn't sleep for a week because of that. So I agreed. I was unworthy. I sold the blueprint and whisper never came back, just like the weapon itself. Now I'm in the state that I couldn't even dream to achieve. Yet at dark cold nights I sometimes still think... Am I worthy now? Will I ever be? Undescribable fantasy about power of the MIGHTY SEER still haunts me it seems.
@@Shiro-wx5pw you have my blessing to wield the MIGHTY SEER. If you still struggle to fall asleep, build a shrine in your orbiter that's dedicated to the MIGHTY SEER. You'll then have everything you could ask for
Honestly would love to see an event where we are put back in this style of warframe in event specific missions. would be a nice nostalgia for the people who played during this period
Ah yes this is the Warframe I remember where abilities played a much larger role in gameplay compared to today as weapons were relatively far less powerful at the time. This is why Loki was such a difficult starter frame to make early progress with, but fitted in so well with the demands of the game at the time - often rooms would be overrun with enemies more than what a squad could comfortably take on, so stealth and manipulation were really valuable tools to have available.
@@boketh2728 try a high duration build with Safeguard Switch - in a nutshell it's a zero cooldown Rolling Guard that scales with duration that cannot be nullified; I usually get up to 10s of invulnerability per switch. It's definitely a breath of fresh air to the Loki playstyle beyond simply 'going invisible'
@@VoidSpecter080 correct, basically CC abilities were really important back then as the 'time to kill' was much slower especially for defence missions. Speaking of defence missions, back then rare mods used to only drop as rewards from defence missions so people were playing those a lot more + the mod fusion mechanic was very different where you 'upgraded' the mod level by fusing multiples of the same mod together. Therefore if you wanted to upgrade a rare mod you needed multiples of that rare mod....so people played A LOT of defence. Defence also worked differently - a wave was completed based on a timer not the number of enemies killed, therefore killing masses of enemies was meaningless and you actually needed to wait out the timer. So as you can see so many different game factors influenced the value of abilities - and CC abilities of any kind were at the top of the list. Heck, even Rhino Stomp was useful as an 'emergency' form of CC if you were getting overrun and needed to rez fallen teammates.
I love experiencing godlike power today, but nothing beats the mortality of your Warframe back in the day, limited revives… slow movement… small health/shields. It’s so foreign seeing a Warframe take cover behind walls and objects.
Most of the game is still designed around this older version of Warframe. Enemy AI, map layouts, the alert system, mission types, etc. The power creep exploded out of control and what we have today is indeed a bunch of gods just strolling through every single level effortlessly, clearing it in seconds no matter how much they try to artificially crank up enemy stats.
I think since DD like to revisit a lot of their past, I'd like them to make a mode that focuses on more tactical play. Hell Warframe pretty much is a game that has it all. I'm sure they could work on something to let players play more like this again if they choose
it would be cool if we got like a more grounded stealth mode, whether it was like a flashback mode or for some reason our warframes get stripped of their strength and speed and your forced to fight through an enemy base with precision
It always felt kinda necessary to bring some good weapons for if a stalker came. You didn't bring all low level stuff for easy lvling. Also, G3 and even Zanuka were really scary in the old days.
I tried this back 2013 and seeing this now you can’t help but to appreciate how much labor of love went into making of this game to stick and its evolution through the years. It also solidifies how a game can be so barebone but have immersive potential if given the shot and DE took that shot.
Originally they wanted to make warframe like a ninja mmo that had a soulslike pacing hence why soulframe is in development. But in attempt to make warframe smoother, the game was also made faster and the weapons, mods, frames, and even enemies were power crept
This brings back memories, I remember that I started playing around update 6. I was in Elementary school, and fondly recall how between Warframe and later on, ghost recon online, I used to spend time with my fellow clan mates just messing around. I still have the old Toshiba satellite laptop, I used to play with. Time really goes by fast, it's kinda bittersweet watching how games change throughout the years or how they end up getting shut down. Those truly were amazing moments, seeing a game grow never expecting it to be turned into such an amazing thing.
Oh wow, when the alarm goes off there's an actual person at the intercom speaking, what's even funnier is that it's in English and we're seeing grinear on corpus tilesets even though it isn't a conflict type mission. And hearing the Lotus say _"Get the hell outta here"_ is something different lmao
Man I remember this, I started playing it back in April 2013, it was so buggy. The doors and lockers would suddenly stop opening if you played a mission for too long. Sometimes you character would get stuck on crouching mode, enemies would sometimes turn invincible. And some of the missions were really creepy if you played them solo, while trying not to raise an alarm. I loved it.
Thanks for the memories dude, this your vids bring back a good old time when I was even careful with stalker lol, damn I wish I'd gotten founder's back then too
Damn, i remember that time that you take your time, using stairs, using elevators, all of it, but now is more like parkour style, sometimes i miss the old warframe
The problem is, Bullet jump ruined the parcours. You can still see how WF was supposed to be played, if you take a look at the Mercury (or any grineer mining) tileset, where walls have scratches - indicating "go up here". Now with bullet jump, you just bounce up or along, making wallruns basically useless.
Facts I remember letting teamates down a fewtimes or hearing other teamates who let the squad down used too get a good shouting at or bantering back in the day was so good to become better and learn instead of what it became.
I feel like in some ways the visuals were more satisfying than what we currently have, like when you take shield damage, or the ship interior lights, ect. Don't get me wrong the pbr and reworked tiles we have now are amazing but I miss the tiny details that always caught my eye. There's so much going on now it kinda overwhelms me
they sacrifice those tiny details for "realistic lighting" "HD texture packs" "raytracing". Because you're not gonna notice them anyways. Seen it in other games as well. Like wtf is there more details in the environment of fallout 3, then there is starfield? Because they sacrificed it for other systems.
It is amazing that I played this version, I just returned this year and as I was struggling to catch up I was remembering when all began, those little details, like the stamina, the hud, the ui, the voice acting, the melee system, the materials, the small choice of warframes you could have, everything has changed so much, I still remember when in order to enter the void you needed void keys, I honestly feel I grew with this game
Enemys in 2013: *- You are ugly, you are disgusting, we gonna kill you, give us 200 platinum, - single squad against 1 tenno.* Enemys in 2023: *Entire army of 1M can't kill one single overfarm tenno.*
@@mausrave 16 Grineer soldiers using speedrun tactics against tenno-skoom, glitching through walls, bullet jumping then insta headshotting us with a god riven maxed rubico prime
Coming back in 2023/24 and honestly this was peak warframe, we knew little, just operatives doing missions with cool powers, much slower pace, good times
The weapons were hecking expensive back then. Manage to only buy 1 set of guns after days of grinding. Only played thia game because Blacklight Retribution was removed from Steam
@@Deathbytroll I do not understand comments like yours who believe warframe now is somehow bad compared to before, it's literally the same game as it were in 2013 except better. It's peak now.
Hearing Lotus say things with some emotion is weird to the current stoic version of her, I guess for story purposes it makes sense that she's so impersonal now but it's still interesting to see how even then they hasn't figured out where to go with her.
Back when this game had more emphasis on being a stealthy ninja, rather than a mega-flipping techno wizard. I honestly wish I had been around during that time. Rn you can still roleplay the stealth, but in the game's current state, there's literally no reason to do so. The minor buff to affinity for consecutive stealth kills simply isn't worth it, especially when you max rank a weapon or frame and don't need affinity anymore anyway.
I mean, with the direction the story has taken, it’s pretty much impossible to justify them being only stealth ninjas, considering what they were built to do in the lore (except when we are talking about frames with stealth powers)
@@Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmiam it would be awesome if they brought back the stealth reliant missions and made a warframe spefically for that. or even just having to use your operator to stealth through the ventilation and corridors.
Ngl this makes Warframe look more like a tactical shooter with a pinch of horror. That honestly might've been a more interesting concept than what we have now.
@@Zargex why the fuck people has to complain this hard? I didn't saw other game like Warframe, it has so many content and so many fun things to do, maybe a tactical shooter version and all that stuff would've been cool but wtf the game is literally the best free to play u can find out there dude
@@vobic13 first of all, u don't know a shit if I looked hard enough or no, and yeah, warframe is a special game with a group of devs that works hard on their game and listen to their comunity and, sadly, that isn't the common thing in the games, also, u can get almost the 98% of the game content for free, and I'm talking about weapons, designs, warframes, and a big etc, I never saw an online game like this before were u can even play different game modalities and do a ton of stuff, idk man but people blaming on Warframe don't even have taste, they wouldn't recognise a good game even if u put it in front of their face
I remember these days. Before the Liset. The stamina bar, everything. 10 years later and the one thing I can’t forgive them for still, is replacing the wall run animation for the lil wall skip they have now
The zoom sound on the starchart is triggering memories. Fun to see how the game was. More dark, oppressive, where the tenno were more of a tactical squad and not demi-gods wiping out full ships. I like both of those visions and it's def' more fun to kill a shit-ton of ennemies instead of a few ones. The gitty/less colorfull atmosphere was the thing that kept me in the game tho.
I don't know if this is a hot take, but i genuinely liked the old corpus ship tileset better than the new one, it just feels more in theme with corpus, instead of every single ship being filled with golden monuments and useless statues and other bs it is just simple server racks, storage rooms, and hangar bays. Why couldn't DE just leave this tileset be on a single planet? I think it would have fit perfectly on phobos in my opinion
yeah the old corpus ship tileset is way better than the new one. new corpus ship has these big ass rooms made for giants, but they're not just big, but incredibly spacious for no reason, besides maybe gameplay? it just looks off, and i dont think it actually matters to have bigger rooms for gameplay. enemies are still going to stand still in a small 5 meters area.
@@cralo2569 Well... The corpus are all about money, right? They want to show off how incredibly rich they are with all these fancy monuments and huge rooms and etc. And for the original commenter, the "Golden monuments and useless statues" are part of the worldbuilding since a large majority of the Corpus almost worship "Parvos Granum" like a wealth-god
@hazeltree7738 Yeah, showing wealth is a common theme for factions built around capitalism, but I doubt that there are such rooms in any factory. Spaceships are not just a space house, you know, they are built with specific purposes be it a military ship, a mining ship or a trading one. There is a point to show how wealthy you are but not to your own workers. Given how miserable lore portrays the life of a regular corpus member it would be more fitting from a narrative perspective to style corpus ships around tight corridors, dangerous environmenments like narrow walkways without railings with a conveyor belt moving with near sonic speed alongside it, room with generator which pulls everything to it with crushing magnetic force at certain distance, assembly lines that have very wide sweeping motions that threaten 70% of the room space. Corpus as a faction seek wealth, so, cramped spaces that were desined to be as cheap as possible while providing maximum possible efficiency with little to no regard of personel safety is what corpus would create if they were lore accurate. Wide and rich rooms would be featured only in places designated for trading with non corpus members, or in personal quarters of various commanders or just general areas where they are spending their working time. This obviously would look like neither old or new tilesets, but old is closer, though there are interesting details in new tileset where you can see workers basically sitting inside the walls and under the floor behind a glass and this idea is very corpus.
Considering phobos is a mostly infested planet, it would make sense too, lorewise, they would be just abandoned ships that the Corpus aren't going to spend credits to recover. Or maybe Eris was the infested-Corpus one, in any case would love for it to be back, maybe with the same lighting too because it looks incredible, we have a similar vibe in Chains of Harrow anyway
@@hazeltree7738 That only makes sense for the Boss ships, regular corpus ships would be maximized for efficiency, carrying as much cargo and troops as possible so they can make as much money as possible, and then after that they'd make the walls and floors and what not look fancy. They wouldn't waste space because that's money lost. Their world building portrays the corpus as terrible with money making it unbelievable that they've got any. Like a ghetto rapper that lives in squalor but always has a new pair of nikes.
I remember back then farming neurodes, gallium, morphics, etc was a pain in the ass. You just couldn't find ANY. And now u get them easy. Also the gorgon machine-gun was so OP that it was no longer available in the shop and only as a daily reward for a very long time, even after you could get the prisma easily from Varo.
Despite all the progress, all the content, even the quality of life changes of current Warframe, I miss this old Warframe. I miss the chunky, deliberate ways of this type of gameplay. Yes, even the stamina and old parkour. I still remember Excalibur's super jump, and how I'd bonk my head on random stuff. I wish they'd release a game mode nowadays that mimics this old style. I bet it would be very popular, especially for the veterans
Several of Duviri’s lost islands lore speaks of various incidents ranging from creepy to disturbing to horrifying all involving or implying a certain “someone”
The game was about to die using this format back in the day, evolving it to the fast paced version we have right now is what made the game stay alive, get new life, and just Not Die. So IDK, If you make a game, you are about to go bankrupt because of it, but in a last ditch effor you make a big change, and that big change made the game a success and now you are far from bankrupt. Would you listen to someone saying to you: "You should go back to how it was before, it looked better" You KNOW it wasnt.
Warframe has definitely overal improved a lot over the years. But looking at this I can't help but feel like something was lost along the way. Everything feels far more deliberate here.
Definitely. The game these days is hyperactive monkey simulator with guns that deal 6 digit damage and public lobbies full of players that rush the objectives at the speed of light, and the only 'difficulty' is increasing the numbers on things... why make enemies that actually use tactics and are threatening when you can just spawn 20 of them and give them 10000% of their base HP, I suppose. TBH I mostly only even play the game because the guns are fun and interesting to use.
Sometimes I wish warframe returned to a slower gameplay. Swinging your sword so fast you cant even understand what your character is doing is not the best looking thing.
100 percent agree a slower warframe with less enemies and more quality, thinking ones along with its older grittier atmosphere would be preferable in my eyes
the game looked so much more mysterious and interesting, especially when you had to actually walk around and explore the maps rather than jump around at the speed of fucking light. I miss this pacing
holysheet this was what warframe looked like!? it actually looked quite aesthetically nice the lighting gives me old MGS game vibes like MGS3 Just got into Warframe like a month ago
And one word changed half of everything, long may the originators of 'copptering' be remembered. For without the need to go faster, there would never have been the push for movement 2.0.
Why is the landing animation so much better than it is now also so much more going on, the cohesion of the game was deffo allot more refined when it was slow paced nowadays only interesting thing we hear from lotus is when the brothers are spawning
This proves that even on day 1 warframe had bether gameplay party options allowing to either solo or coop, something that even after all this years destiny 2 still did not added lmfao
bro i miss this so much. i remember slow warframe on ps4 back in 2014 right before the big rework is when i became a tenno. took me all day to get a warframe to level 30
This looks better to me. I don't know why. The lighting, and things actually have a weight to them and it feels satisfying because of it. The godly movement and casting ability after ability, and crazy melee attack speed makes the game boring in a way I never noticed until coming to this video. How wild
Modern warframe is VERY focussed on keeping you moving no matter what (unless a blitz/arson/scorpion-wire enemy is involved). Old warframe would feet-plant you on almost every action, buts also had a way lower and dumber enemy count.
Started during beta and played for years. Warframe today is still a phenomenal game, but I really miss old WF's power level. There was nothing like stacking a Nekros, Trinity, Nyx/Nova, and Loki/Rhino to grind out a T3 Survival for an hour.
