I constantly hear clergy such as Bishop Oliveto proclaiming that what the world needs is for the oppressed to have justice. I can't recall any of them proclaiming that what the world needs is for those who are dead in their sins to have justification through Christ.
It iccurred to me to wonder how much Oliveto's salary+benefits are compared to the people she's standing next to in Mexico? It seems like it would be better for her to exemplify equality instead of just pontificating about it.
Jeffrey, I appreciate your stance here. You’re comments towards Oliveto is more than fair. But I think you don’t go near far enough (correction: you later did) in calling out this person’s false gospel. False religion she has brought into the UMC and corrupted the denomination. She may “act” very nice, but she’s leading people down the wrong path, away from Jesus. This needs to be made crystal clear.
UMC sealed its own fate. Methodist Churches have never exceeded anyone from worship, but the Bible is specific about sin. Sorry UMC, you got what you asked for. The world. Deal with it. I left in January and am happy as a charter member of a new GMC in Oklahoma. Never looking back✝️
Xochicalco? A Mayan site, that includes the Temple of the Feathered Serpent. There are numerous churches and missions in Mexico that might have been a better choice for her video.
I regret that I'm not a big history buff on ancient civilizations in the western hemisphere. I would imagine they are all equally pagan, though. Is there something that is particularly galling or inappropriate about this setting?
@@plainspokenpod no, it just surprised me she picked a pagan site. I later realized it was because of the class struggle at that site. This was a good video illustrating how she is preaching an alternate gospel.
@@frzstat Thanks. I don't wanna just knock other people. I like to build up and encourage and educate. But a big part of learning to do right is learning why other things are wrong, so I guess I feel like this needs to be done. It's just strange to me how many people have no idea about this stuff...
Maya would practice bloodletting and human sacrifice at the top of their temples, often removing the hearts of victims who may have been prisoners of the constant warfare between rival cities.
Thanks for helping us understand details impacting the crazy direction our church has taken. It’s is hard to leave all the relationships we’ve had for over 35 years but we’re not willing to jeopardize our salvation by conforming to UMC’s devilish new doctrine. God is in control and will provide direction for our faith journey.
Well now, the real problem is that Methodism disobeyed Paul's dictum "I do not allow a woman to have authority over a man" way back when and the cancer keeps spreading. And Karen has to go to an Aztec shrine!!! Karen needs to face the fact of sin as scripture calls it, not just social injustice. I rest my case.
Good teaching. Evil imitates good. Look to 1 John 4. Test every spirit. Oliveto is of the world and speaks of the world in this clip. She does not speak of the true Jesus, as she preached heresy by calling him a bigot. By scriptural standards, she is a false prophet.
If I were standing in that place, my thoughts would be geared toward the sadness represented by so many in great civilizations who, through their own wisdom, got it wrong in the understanding of God - rich and pour.
I just preached on Romans 16:18, "For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive." The word "smooth talk" deals specifically with putting on a front of "kind and gentle" speech, or going out of their way to be inoffensive. I could not help but think of the multitude of Stay UMC videos I've watched over the past year or so and people like this false bishop.
My brother recently reminded me that a lot of these people in their flocks WANT to be deceived. I'm becoming less compassionate with those who refuse to hear. But for the time being I still have the energy to warn...
@@plainspokenpod Isaiah 30:9-10 was also part of the sermon, "That this is a rebellious people, Lying children, Children who will not hear the law of the Lord; Who say to the seers, “Do not see,” And to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us right things; Speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits."
Let her (them) be. God has given her up to the desires of her heart. Them who separated from the UMC don't live there anymore. No need to intervene nor pay attention. The UMC will come to pass towards its self destruction. No need to intervene. When the angel of death was passing over Egypt, Moses, Aaron, their mother, who were enclosed in their house locked by the blood of lamb spread at their door had no need to come out crying for social justice as the angel of death indiscriminately killed 28:44 all first borns child young and old whether Egyptian or Hebrew who were not protected by the blood of the lamb. Whatever is happening now in the upcoming UMC gencon, God's own divine Agenda is now at work.
I am honest about the fact that I don't embrace much of what the Bible seems to teach, but I hate it when people like Oliveto lie about what the Bible plainly says. It's condescending and smug. I'm not stupid.
It’s too bad that the biblical members leave rather than fight for the sanctity of this denomination. UMC was leaving biblical truth decades ago. It lost sanctity many years ago.
@@plainspokenpod I remember in the 70s when there was a turning from plain biblical teachings and a fear that Liberation Theology was seeping in. Back then, many believed, the UMC had adopted the “social gospel.” There remained good ministers and good lay people but the leadership was changing away from orthodoxy. Now I fear it is too little too late for rescuing (although God can do anything). If the UMC Leadership can tolerate this woman to begin with then they have given tacit approval for Scripture to be held in low view.
And look at retired bishops as well! I'm thinking of Bishop Wilke. I respected him as an author of the discipleship Bible study. But he has a lesbian daughter and has completely come out in opposition to the GMC and church disaffiliation.
I love karen oliveto so many closet sinners in the church adultery and so on its just feelings that have been inside eventually come out so atleast she is real I would love to meet her and her wife
Many retired UMC ministers came into the ministry to avoid the draft during the Vietnam conflict and professed pacificism while their intention was to avoid the possibility of their death or personal destruction in the conflict. They came in not so much because they were called by God or they were committed to Biblical standards. Rather than be committed to Biblical exegesis, they would use eisogesis to support their often selfish motives. So, the came in with incomplete theology and they tended to carry their belief system through their ministry. It is not surprising that some of them hold to their original theology rather than letting the Bible or the UMC Discipline challenge their theology.
Thank you, Jeff, for clearly pulling back the curtain on the wizard behind the rhetoric. I am a retired UM pastor now a senior Global Methodist pastor who longed for an exit ramp for the last decade but felt called to lead the particular church I served in the direction of their own exit from the UMC. So thankful for all who are leading the way in the GMC church.
I'm glad my efforts have been helpful and/or illuminating for folks. Oliveto is unfortunately just one of many voices that have intentionally worked to upend any notion of traditional biblical theology or practice. When one learns how to see this stuff, it can be found everywhere...
I have never understood how Karen Oliveto could be a bishop over the conference I formerly was in, but tried to give her and the UMC the benefit of the doubt. After serving as a delegate to one of the Annual Conferences over which she presided , I can confirm she is indeed deceptively engaging. She seemed approachable and friendly and I was struck by her seemingly heartfelt prayers just before the disaffiliation votes. It is my understanding she is retiring in 2024. I pray for that to happen and for the Lord to intervene and put in place someone truly worthy.
I think "We are all Muslim" is too emotional and too easy to misunderstand - including by Muslims. But I also think your critiscism of it wrongly focused on the literal meaning. I think of the story of the King of Denmark wearing a Star of David during WWII when Jews there were told to wear one in public. In a major way he was saying "I am a Jew". Oliveto's phrase, which we see used regarding various groups, turns this idea into didactic words by telling the world what "we" are. It's use was too quick and too easily tied to her politics. Not likely that it was a gesture focused on protecting people in her district.
The social gospel is not new. Some say that it was the saving of exposed babies in Rome in the early Church which did a lot to increase the number of Christians.
