@@qiying6869 Yeahhhh everyone's heartbroken about it >.< But it's also ultimately for the good of the skaters' health so I'm just hoping covid-19 blows over/gets under control before the 2020-2021 season!!
This was one of the better explanations I've seen. I can always tell an axel and a toe loop but the others are harder to distinguish when they go so fast. I guess I'll leave it to Johnny and Tara to tell me what's what. :)
Lutz: usually happens at certain spots on the ice called the "lutz corners" (upper left/bottom right of rink from judge's perspective ......or "10:00" & "4:00" - position times on circular clock); also, skaters "lean" to the left going backwards for the entrance, yet land" leaning" to the right. hope this helps.
I agree. I don't skate but love watching. I don't know HOW the announcers can tell some jumps from another no matter how many times I watch these videos. It's so amazing. I can barely follow the puck in hockey so I guess it's just me
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another way to recognise the jumps is by their entry. before performing a salchow (edge), skaters usually turn three times and have a knock-kneed position at take-off. for a loop (edge), the skater would commonly turn once and take off with their legs crossed. for a lutz (toe), the skater skates in a straight line backwards before driving their toe-pick in. that distinguishes it from a flip (toe), where the skater would use a three-turn immediately before picking, meaning they turn on one foot. for the toe loop (...toe), the skater rotates in the direction of the toe-pick, making them 'open' to the rotation. there's nothing more really to be said for the axel lol
aaahh.. Thank you!! I like how you explained the difference between a Lutz entry and a Flip entry. I see.. Thank you for also stating which of the jumps are edge jumps and which are flip. For some reason, I've had the impression that flip jumps are edge jumps. I see. I think I can tell single jumps apart now. I just have difficulty identifying the jumps done in combination.
@@kasvinimuniandy4178 my reply may be months late (whoops) but this is just in case anyone else wants to know how to identify combo jumps! if the skater does a toe jump immediately after the first jump, it's a toe loop (the most common). if the skater takes off from the landing foot with no toe pick and little to no hesitation, its a loop. if the skater does a hop and then a toe jump, it's an euler-flip. if the skater does a hop and then an edge jump, it's an euler-salchow. the hop is officially called an euler now, but in the past it was also referred to as a half-loop, or a loop (despite not being... an actual loop)
This was a really good explanation, especially seeing it in slow motion. HOWEVER, it's kinda hard to see which jump is which during a routine (except for the obvious axel).
bluedasher74 If the jumps aren’t fairly easy to distinguish, the skater likely has bad technique. If you watch someone like Yuna Kim the jumps are distinct, even to the untrained eye.
One main way to differentiate between the jumps are the entry, the edges they take off from and whether the toepick is used for the jump. Although in most competitions shown on tv they'll display the scoring and program in the top left so you could see which move is up next.
Seriously, I wonder why people are saying that they still don't see the difference? I'm literally only looking this up because of an anime reference, never really cared enough to watch ice skating stuff though I thought it was fascinating/pretty enough, so I'm pretty much completely untrained and I can tell the difference because of this video. (Well, I also took notes...) Sure, if you're actually watching a live performance I'm sure it'll be difficult at first, but that's like, just because you know the notes cdefgab and where they lie on the staff logistically doesn't mean you can name off each line at random just by looking at some sheet music; it takes practice to name each jump as you see it. So it's not that "you can't tell the difference" it's that "even though I have this resource available, I don't care enough to actually learn by practicing recognizing these things." At least the topic is mundane enough, but don't say, "I can't," say it like it is, say, "I don't care enough to learn," because that's perfectly acceptable, too. No one's forcing you to be that invested.
@@HeritageDrPepper this is an A-tier comment, thank you for that clarification. practice makes perfect! (well, perfect according to whoever's standards)
Actually, it's super hard to learn it from observation only. Once you try doing the jumps, every time you see somebody else doing them, you recognise the body movement immediately. I was trying to learn how to recognise jumps in competitions (before I started to skate) for two competition seasons and no success. I though I almost got it and then people used difficult entries and transitions into jumps and I lost it. Once I started skating myself, I started recognising them in a couple of months.
0:27 Salchow - edge jump, left foot inside edge take off 0:47 Toe Loop - pick jump, right foot outside edge take off 1:10 Loop - edge jump, right foot outside edge take off 1:23 Flip - pick jump, left foot inside edge take off 1:43 Lutz - pick jump, left foot outside edge take off 2:10 Axel - edge jump, forward left foot outside edge take off
Here's the different jumps in order of difficulty for right-footed skaters: Toe loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO), toe-pick assisted Salchow: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI) Loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO) Flip: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI), toe-pick assisted Lutz: Left Backward Outside edge (LBO), toe-pick assisted Axel: Left Forward Outside edge (LFO)
I would argue a different order for that difficulty depending on how many rotations you're talking about, but I appreciate how well you laid out that info. Most people don't know the edges anymore, they either just do them, or just smile and nod and panic inside because they all look the same to them XD (As a skater, that's what I see at least)
From the video, this is my conclusion *Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a non-professional. I just summarize what I saw in the video* Salchow - Take off on the inside edge of your non-dominant leg. Free leg helps you prepare to be in the air. Land on your dominant leg's outside edge. Toeloop - Take off on the inside edge of your non-dominant leg. Dominant leg's toepick sends you up in the air. Land on your dominant leg's outside edge. Loop - Take off on the outside edge of your dominant leg completely backward and land on the outside edge of your dominant leg Flip - Take off on the inside edge of your non-dominant leg. Your dominant leg (Pick jump) send you up in the air. You stand on the inside of your non-dominant leg until you leave the ice. Land on the outside of your dominant leg Lutz - Take off on the outside edge of your non-dominant leg. Your dominant leg sends you up in the air by the pick jump. The outside edge of your non-dominant leg goes against the way you want to rotate. Land on the outside edge of your dominant leg Axel - Take off completely forward on the outside edge of your non-dominant leg and land backward on the outside edge of your dominant leg
Sone2539 for the toe loop you pick with you non dominant foot and you take off from your dominant foot and land on the outside edge of you dominant foot
It's a bit wordy. Here's the shorter description of different jumps in order of difficulty for right-footed skaters: Toe loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO), toe-pick assisted Salchow: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI) Loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO) Flip: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI), toe-pick assisted Lutz: Left Backward Outside edge (LBO), toe-pick assisted Axel: Left Forward Outside edge (LFO)
See these jump simulation rotation practice exercises on a floor. Observe which foot is used on take off (edge jump) and which is used to dig into the floor (toe pick-assisted jump). The video can be slowed down. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Puo_R-3za8k.htmlm4s
Jason's lutz definitely rocks to an inside edge essentially making it a flutz.... By his own description, he is missing out on tje additional torque by not staying on the outside edge through when the left foot leaves the ice.
It is more of a flat edge than an inside edge, some skaters (including me😭) go to a flat edge, it is only usually a huge problem when it is a definite inside. Also, flip is described on one figure skating video" the flip jump is like the Lutz except on a more inside flat edge". It is technically a Flutz but more on the mild version of it compared to a definite inside. I'm not looking for hate here, just saying what I saw
ZEE L it's a flutz because before he jumped, his left foot shifted from a deep outside edge to a flat edge. Evgenia's lutz is more like a floopz(wrong edge + loop). Because she does not use the toe pick to vault herself up in the air instead she uses a full blade. And also her lutz are extermely prerotated and have a forward entry. In conclusion, his lutz is a lutz even though it's flawed while Evgenia is not a lutz but a loop-ish jump. No hate. ❤️❤️❤️
ZEE L Zhenya’s Flutz is certainly one of the most pronounced :-o Kaetlyn (who, assuming she comes back, is my favorite current Lady) has a pretty obvious Flutz too
Wow…I used this video to learn how to spot the jumps and it worked, and now I’m about to watch you soon take the ice in the short program at the 2022 Winter Olympics. Thanks and Good Luck!!
But there are videos of Evgenia doing a CLEAN lutz on Instagram because of how Brian coaches her, she fell on the jump though, but it WAS an outside edge and minimal pre rotoation
Who besides Yuna and Alina have had consistent Lutz AND Flip 3-3s with proper edges? Yuna really interchanged the Flip-Toe and Lutz-Toe and Alina will do both in one FS, but I can’t think of anyone else...
JackAShepherd mhhhh you might wanna change Alina’s name in your comment. She is no where near Yuna. Yuna had textbook jumps , while Alina now has a flat edge on lutz, uses full blade assistance, and excessively pre-rotates.
An easy way to tell from the lutz, flip, salchow, loop is the entrance. With flips, since it takes of on an inside edge, skaters usually enter through a three turn since it naturally sets up a inside edge. With lutz, skaters usually just glide backwards for a moment lol. Salchow has a sweeping motion before take off. Loop has crossed legs before take off.
This is a good explanation of the differences, as good as I’ve ever seen in a brief video, but the jumps are mainly recognizable to audiences from their entrances so those should have been included.
As common it is to land on a right back outside edge (usually if you're right-handed), there are also skaters who rotate the opposite way (left handed/ambidextrous and even some right-handed people) and will land on their left back outside edge.
Best video that explains the difference.... for those who are confused, don’t fret; it takes a while to figure it out. Watch it over and over and take notes like I did. Salchow, loop and axel all take off on one foot with needing the toe lift from the other foot. Axel has a forward approach unlike the others.
Axel is obviously easiest to identity as it has forward entrance. Lutz typically has the sliding backwards entrance without turn. Other jumps have a few turns. Salchow has upside down V-shape legs while Toe/Loop has X-shape (crossed legs) legs entrance. Flip and Lutz are difficult to identify without watching slow-motion to see the edge. Also, he did a flutz (Lutz with inside edge take-off like a Flip) in the video as he entranced with outside edge but at the time of jumping it was inside edge already or at best unclear edge.
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1:11 "loop takes off completely backwards" ... shows clip of 1/2 rotation forward facing takeoff 1:54 "the lutz takes off on the back outside" ... shows clip of him switching to the inside edge significant upper body prerotation on the flip as well,,,,
Today I went skating after a 4 year break. I used to be able to do a walz jump and pretty much everything that is not a jump. I was kinda sad that I couldn't do much anymore. I really missed that feeling while doing spins. I couldn't even do an usual spin anymore😂
This is the video I needed. I gave up knowing which jump was which at an early age. I only knew an axel. I was an avid roller skater growing up and I use to do a (by your video) a flip jump on them and wanted to try the others. I just never knew how or what made them different and we didn’t have RU-vid back then and the books and drawings never made sense. This video is a tremendous help. Hmmm…I wonder if still can learn the other jumps on roller skates, Lutz, Salchow, Toe loop, and loop. I could never see the difference of the Toe loop and Flip. Now I get it. Thanks
Each jump takes off differently. Toe loop jump: Right Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist Salchow jump: Left Back Inside edge Loop jump: Right Back Outside edge Flip jump: Left Back Inside edge with toe-pick assist Lutz jump: Left Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist Axel jump: Left Forward Outside edge
@@jackroberts2704 The Axel jump is the easiest to identify because it is the only jump in a forward direction. Toe loop jump: Right Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist Salchow jump: Left Back Inside edge Loop jump: Right Back Outside edge Flip jump: Left Back Inside edge with toe-pick assist Lutz jump: Left Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist Axel jump: Left Forward Outside edge
I’m not a skater myself, but I love the sport. I think the easiest place to start, is the difference between a toe pick jump and non-toe pick. Those are obvious. so you can start from there first
Im not sure about the correctness from this toe loop. My trainers told me that i have to use my right outside edge to jump and the toe pick is just a additional help :/.
Thank you Jason! For the Sal: if I put some weight on the R-foot, now gliding (not free), it becomes a Toe J ... does it? (Is there a "hallo" I'm seeing, slow-motion, from the R-foot?)
All his jumps have very clean text book take offs except the Lutz which has the edge issue. His Lutz certainly doesn't have a strong outside all the way through the way skaters like Nathan Chen have (and Nathan does it on a quad).
Edmund Geswein His flip technique is also not very good. He has a curved entry instead of a straight entry. Skater with not-so-good-flip tend to flutz.
Qiqi Chia His flip may curve, but it picks nice without a lot of prerotation. But perhaps if he practiced flatter flips it might help him with the lutz. Certainly his lutz has some timing issues with the active outside edge being a little early. If he corrected this he'd have to learn to use a good strong "flick" on the take off to get rotation.
This video explains a little bit better than most but I still don't get how judges can tell the difference when they're going at high speed and I can barely tell when it's diagrammed out.
Cameron Metrejean That is why they have the slow motion, which they do not utilise fully actually. They miss a lot of underrotation and wrong edge because of that. (some judges purposely do not give edge call due to biase)
for all those who are finding it difficult to differentiate, I would suggest that you watch adam rippon 2018 and jason brown 2014 Olympic performances, these two focus more on their artistic side so they have fewer jumps, as compared to say nathan chen. whenever they are about to jump just slow down the video and observe their feet, whenever you feel confused come back to this vid. This made me understand a lot faster
Who else had to rewatch the jumps so many times because even the slow motion replays made my brain hurt. What incredible brain-body coordination it takes to watch, let alone skate!
I feel like they should add more to figure skating cause they all look the same like I watched videos from like the 70s 80s and 90s and they all looked unique and had more freedom back then I think adding backflips would be awesome but I heard it’s banned because someone did it and it popped a tube that kept the ice from staying frozen or something like that but still
Watching this in January 2022, and Yuzuru Hanyu has sort-of landed a quad axel in competition. It was two-footed, but he's working on it. And Jason is going to the Olympics again. (Hooray!)
Toe loop jump: Right Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist Salchow jump: Left Back Inside edge Loop jump: Right Back Outside edge Flip jump: Left Back Inside edge with toe-pick assist Lutz jump: Left Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist Axel jump: Left Forward Outside edge
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