I know Richie Mo'unga (word class rugby player) loves his Olympic lifts, but the All Blacks as a whole and rugby S&C coaches in general only do the pulls rather than a full clean
I lean towards oly lifts for this. It is very strict with posture which is imperative when trying to efficient and powerful. But yeah, if you're at a stage where time and coaches are limited, go for something simpler.
How does this information link to you e other videos about not using weighted jumps though ? It sounds like they got improvements both from moving a heavy weight and a light weight aswell (I suppose 20 percent was the upper range in the other study you mentioned but 70 percent is way more), which runs counter to the study that using body weight improve jump height because the peak power output is higher and weighted jumps may not work. These sorts of contradictions are very confusing. When it comes to rate of force development, are we talking about a general quality that applies to all intensities along the force velocity curve or just at a specific intensity ? ... on a separate note I feel like the rapid decent into the catch portion of olympic lifts is an often overlooked benefit in terms of athleticism.
The psychological aspect is arguably most important. Power cleans/cleans are fun af and get the whole team hyped in the weight room (at least in American football) to see how much weight everyone can move. That's an important factor and will lead to bigger gains than just jump squatting.
@@daeman2345 That's just what some actual coaches say... Sports and sports training are highly emotionally/psychologically driven and if you don't understand that you probably just sit at home watching lifts on social media all day. Also, all they need to really learn are power cleans which are probably the easiest variant with the most benefit. Any halfway skilled athlete can learn them in one session and it doesn't take Pyrros Dimas to teach them to a competent degree, and years to master like the full c&j and snatch.
Americans love their hype and hitting PRs in the gym together. As do rugby players but Americans take it next level. I think there is merit to doing both power cleans and just pulls. I think both are relatively similar in movement but Americans love to shout LET'S GO BABY!! LIGHT WEIGHT BABY!!
@@Eva_lily15 I think in that video they were talking specifically about weighted/unweighted jumps for improving the skill of vertical jump if I can recall. This video is more about which one is better for overall sports performance, the Olympic lifts or the weighted jumps
I have a question that has never been asked and has never been discussed anywhere. It's about fast twitch fibres. There is very contradictory information about it. Apparently they are useful for strength and explosive strength against a high resistance, but then you ask about quickness against a low resistance and the answer is - "fast twitch fibres" Now look at certain ultra quick boxers, they arent the strongest or have the biggest punch, and then look at slower stronger boxers - which ones are more likely to have high numbers of fast twitch fibres? the stronger ones or the quicker ones? What really causes the quickness in the quickest boxers? if they apparently have more fast twitch fibres then why arent they the strongest as well? something is off or just ignored around this topic and this question never gets answered
i have a personal goal of 100kg clean and jerk. The technique is massively difficult to master, my strength and power is not transferring very well. You need real dedication and proper coaching for it
Athletes that do Olympic lifts maybe a self fulling prophecy because normally the most strongest athletes would be most attracted and excelling at Olympic lift because their confidence in their own strength.
@@sportstrainingsystems4575 Olympic lifts mimic the line of attack phase during a sprint, if you improve that part of the temporal phase, you will increase sprint speed? correct me if wrong mate, always happy to be educated!
weight training/exercises are NOT developing RFD in advanced athletes. It will work for beginners (nearly everything work for them). In my experience too much weight training is more detrimetal for elite speed athletes (sprinters). I see the major benefit of weight/strength training to get a hormonal response. But to get a strong effect the training must be done at an intensity level wich exceeds most peoples imagination.
In short speed and power against a low external resistance? like boxing as well as sprinting? Soviet coach verkhoshansky did say that excesive strength camn slow down boxers, and that speed against little or no resistance is a seperate motor ability to explosive strength
@@wallinggraham3836 yes i also see explosive strength with little resistance as very effective. water resistance is a very good option. It's no addidional mass and it's pure concentric. And the resistance is related to the movement velocity. And there is freedom of movement.
@@Leonidas-eu9bb I think there is just a lot of misinformation about fast twitch fibres. The soviet sports scientist yuri verkhoshansky has said that movement quickness against low resistance such as a quick punch is a function of the nervous system, so nothing to do with having fast twitch fibres, so explosiveness in olympic weight lifting is completely different and reliant very much on fast twitch fibres
@@wallinggraham3836 from what i know. The true fast twich type 2b or 2x fibres/nerves are very very rare in humans (~1%). Basically evey strength exercises no matter if explosive or max effort do NOT train those 2b fibres/nerves! The real differents from FT 2a to FT 2b is contraction velocity! So indeed it's the super fast movements that require 2b! Rattle snakes have extreme high 2b fibres in their tail. No wonder it can move extremly fast but not forcefull! Another important aspect of type 2b is rate of force relaxlation. Research is clear that 2a can be as strong as 2b. But 2b can be quicker and also relax much quicker. This is very important in cyclical movements like sprinting!
