Fencing! I have tried to find s&c-research on Olympic fencing but it looks pretty dry. So if you could comment on that sport it would be highly appreciated.
A friend of mine fences, I've been training him in just regular barbell lifts and now powercleans. All they do at their club is pushups crunches and bodyweight squats ☠️
I love how every time Fritz starts the podcast with the stare and smile of someone who is imagining a parallel reality where everything is Monty Python's nonsense.
I also suspect the Chinese focus on heavy pulls/squats so much because their system literally recruits only the freak child athletes with innately huge vertical leaps/box jumps w/ abnormally high fast twitch fiber ratios, and I read they even measure testosterone levels. Once you find those kids tremendously gifted in the velocity part of the curve, you just need to prioritize force training (besides weightlifting technique of course).
that’s a very good point, and I would suspect that would probably have something to do with it. if their natural base level muscle fibre composition is already very skewed towards type 2x, then they would need to put as much focus on it (plus the drugs of course). literally every chinese lifter I have seen do one has a crazy vertical jump.
Great video. I’m glad that you broke down the importance of focusing on speed, over absolute force production, for weightlifting. Especially at the amateur level, because I’m certainly very amateurish ...
Highland Games and Throwing, I see both Crouser and Kovacs train super heavy to start their off-season and then switch to Olympic lifts in the on-seasons, and I wonder if that is to connect the heavy lifting to fast throws or just be less destructive during competitions while still moving heavy weights. Thanks Love the channel. Cabers = Power Cleans
A video on grappling sports would be good, either split (judo/bjj/wrestling) or for an athlete who does all of these together like a lot of people do these days. Most people usually do 2 of these 3 or all 3 (I do all 3, at least I started to before injury/infection got me sidelined at the moment)
I can’t see a Patreon page linked for you guys. Is there anyway I can contribute? I looked at your programs and I’m not sure if there’s anything more applicable to rugby. As a wing/centre my speed, agility and explosiveness is paramount (which I’d also like to at least maintain or better increase) and second, yet still important, is strength. Obviously endurance can be worked on in the preseason. I’d love to see you do a video around training for rugby as it’s very multifaceted. Thanks lads
great video, as a beginner myself I've definitely been doing too much super heavy squatting and it hasn't transferred as well to weightlifting as I would have hoped
I think if you put on the screen the equation relationship between acceleration, speed, force, work, and power it could all click for some people. Most people never went through a physics 1 and physics 2 class to work with these things. Idk, could be helpful?
Could you guys do a whole video on real force v. velocity curves for different athletes? I imagine you'd have to use a single movement, like the squat or maybe even leg press. Compare a sprinter, to a powerlifter, to a weightlifter, to a futbol midfielder, to an American football lineman, to a shotputter and discuss what kinds of force-velocity curves that each athlete is striving for. Talk about what kind of power they're trying to maximize. Another interesting part might be talking about small negative velocities. In bodybuilding overloaded eccentrics are common, which implies your force can actually go way higher if the velocity is small and negative. Aside from getting jacked, what are the uses for that kind of overload on force?
Appreciate the breakdown between amateurs and elite weightlifters. Would love to hear your thoughts on strongman training where the variety of events can create training challenges.
For the algorithm :) Any information/help with 'long distance open water swimming' would be great... a bit less than a year out from the Fastnet to Schull swim.
Please do canoepolo. It's a very niche little sport, but with a very passionate playerbase. I would love to hear your thoughts on what an s&c Training program could include to the specific requirements that the Sport presents. And obviously where you think it would be placed on the force/velocity curve. Love your content!
Since it’s got so many different movements, I think you’d have to describe a range. A jab is going to be lower on the curve than a cross, which will both be lower than a Thai style leg round kick, which will all be lower than a take down or bottom position grappling for example… I think you need to isolate each specific type of movement to precisely answer this because there’s just too many. Then within that, you can establish a general range that the sport falls under to delegate training properly. I would think most of the sport exists more on the speed/velocity end of the curve, but clearly there’s some strength requirements for wrestling especially, and speed strength helps put some oomph in strikes; then again, there’s been accomplished fighters who strike with pure output but don’t have single shot KO power like a Nick diaz for example. He does a lot of endurance training that’s more akin to iron man or triathlon training, and he’s also an accomplished grappler. So the variables are confounding to say the least that probably needs to also take into account your style and anthropometry. Very intricate sport.
Interested in basketball. Obviously need endurance for a game, general strength but then ability to jump high and quick sooo. What would that look like?
what u reckon on military work, speed marching (running with packs) marching, tactical patrols etc. apart from specificity, what would be best to support that in the weight room/ training pitch?
Really enjoy butchering your snatch program with 15 hours of endurance work per week. 3 hours of endurance as warm up for a snatch workout is really good, i think. Can't wait to get all dem PBs.
Also would you argue that it’s more important for heavier lifters to do more plyometric movements to maintain speed because on the average they lift slower than lighter lifters?
It depends, higher lifters need more movements which are typically higher force to maintain muscle mass and also plyometric work for heavier lifters can be harder on the joints
But Eoin says it's well established that max force has detrimental effect, and this makes sense considering specificity, so that's all I need to know. Sorry for the spam, thanks again.
You mention that weightlifters shouldn’t go near movements that require them to exert their maximum force and give the example of a max deadlift. Whilst I rarely see elite lifters maxing their deadlifts we do often see them max their squats. Why is one movement left out of their programming and the other is kept in presuming that both high force movements can have negative effects on velocity? Thanks for the video :)
Too many unknowns to say why. There's some benefits at times to push you squat as you need more force production relative to what you want to lift but can't right now
One small thing I'm curious about is when you say you know the third pull isn't a free fall because the athlete is moving faster than the barbell is dropping. If the barbell already has upward momentum then a free fall would still be faster than the barbell wouldn't it? Wouldn't it be more accurate to compare the athletes speed (however you measure that) to the speed of gravity?
So the barbells upward speed would be of course at a different speed up it's speed down would be at the same speed of a lifter as it's gravity pulling both down. If a barbell was pulled to the same height as when a lifter finishes their extension and then you separated the lifter and barbell the does not travel as high as when a lifter pulls under. A good example if when a lifter does a high pull with a max clean and a full snatch. Bar height for the snatch is actually higher than the high pull.
@@sikastrength ah ok so the speed of deceleration of the barbell, makes sense Edit: I believe that the third pull adds velocity I just didn't understand your wording 👍
What do you think about the following approach for basketball players: Spent enough time to get decent numbers on squat,deadlift, shoulder press lets say x1.5+ b, 2x+ bw, x0.9bw respectively and then focus on utilising this new found strength on faster movements like power clean or something similar (even a push press). Would that make sense?
In general the safety recommendation is to have adequate strength levels before doing any high level plyometric training and we'd agree with that for the most part
Good information for the most part, but no mention of periodization and fitness quality residuals/resistances to fatigue. It's somewhat misleading to tell people "focus more on power because you're likely focusing too much on high force movements" when hypertrophy, strength (high force movements), and power/speed all have their place in a well thought out, periodized program. From the video, a beginner might take the info you present and run with it, neglecting strength movements altogether. Not hating, just my opinion.
I think your nit picking, the video is on the theoretical discussion of weightlifting on the force velocity curve. I'd doubt any beginner is going to watch this and base their whole program off of only high velocity work and no do any squats or pulls. We also mention periodisation near weekly. We can't make every disclaimer from every angle before every video. Could also make the argument should a beginner be making his/her own program? Cause they probably shouldn't be.
