Olympus E-M5 MKIII vs. E-M10 MK IV - [BATTLE!]

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@SketchTurnerZero 4 года назад

Olympus has amazing camera design like no one else

@davidmill7289 2 года назад

Thanks Peter. Recently purchased the EM10 mk iv primarily as a stills travel camera. Just think the value for money is fantastic. Weather sealing would be handy, but once you add on the cost of pro lenses to get full sealing the cost of the EM5 was just too high for me.

@paulderekwinter 4 года назад

For a go to a Travel camera the weather sealing + a few other features make the Em5iii the much better choice

@davidellis4846 4 года назад

From a value for money, with a pancake on and the ‘keep it your bag’ type happy snapper camera, I’ll be getting one and use my EM1.2 & 1.3 for my session photography. You explained it well Peter thank you.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Thank you.

@Group51 4 года назад

For me. It’s the upgrade. Same with iPhones. I will upgrade my iPhone when there’s something major to upgrade for. So I waited a long time to upgrade from my iPhone 6S! So that’s how I look at the Mk IV from my Pen Mini 2. Panorama mode, Live on2 for astrophotography, flip down screen for casual vlogging, 20mpx, better autofocus. Finally.

@halfthefiber Год назад

I went with the EM5 MIII since the prices nowadays are pretty close. Also, I prefer to use the FL-LM3 flash instead of the pop-up flash (although the latter is more convenient since it's part of the camera) since it allows me to bounce the light. Everything else-weather sealing, IBIS, focus points, etc.-is gravy.

@charne911 4 года назад

Hi Peter -- I've got an E-M5iii and have pre-ordered an E-M10iv -- I have an E-M10ii which I love and still use - particularly with the small Olympus primes like the 17mm f/2 and t he 12mm f/1.8. I also adore the 14-42EZ lens, as well. Love your videos which I find to be useful, informative, and very well produced. Stay warm and safe up in Helsinki!

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Thank you.

@TITAOSTEIN 4 года назад

Two very interesting cameras. The em10IV Grip is much better, but I need the em5III features. In that case I will wait for the future em5IV, and hope that it will have a metal body again. I also loved the launch of the 100-400 lens, but as I have Pana Leica, I have no interest in buying it. I am very interested in the future 8-25mm f4 and would very much like to see a version III of the super compact 75-300mm and would like to see it weatherproof and with a constant opening of f5.6, keeping the same dimensions. Thanks for the video Peter!

@armanddimeo6575 4 года назад

The new EM 10 is a great value but the EM 5 Mark iii is a more sophisticated camera with more room for growth if one is an enthusiast. Grips are highly subjective and I find the grip on the EM 5 to be just fine, although I have not compared the two. Also, my understanding is that the sensor in the EM 5 is slightly better, despite the fact that they are both rated at around 20 MP. Additionally, the EM 5 has a high resolution mode and the EM 10 does not.

@xms111 4 года назад

Thanks Peter. I like that you focused on the things the everyday guy can us. Feeling better about my m10mkiii after watching.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Glad to hear. Thanks.

@shuzobenjamin5300 2 года назад

I recently started taking portraits with E-M5mark3 and the f/1.2 pro lens and the eye detection doesn't work unless I get a close-up of the face. Since there seems to be no firmware update, I am thinking of replacing it with the E-M10mark4.

@svvancouver3307 Год назад

I appreciate that despite the higher score given to E-M5 you told us why E-M10 is for you-because you will use it more. I have so many times wanted to buy the OM-1, OM-5, E-M1 MK iii, E-M5 MK iii, but could never pull the trigger because of the articulating screen. My favourite Olympus camera right now is E-PL7 because it is light, compact, sharp handheld at 1/20 easily, the ergonomics is great, and has a TILT screen. I bought the PEN-F as an upgrade-for the 20MP sensor but despite how much I have tried to make that camera work for me, the articulating screen and the horrible ergonomics (no grip) are deal breakers. I added the Olympus grip, but the weight and size increased noticeably. The metal body of the PEN-F is also a pain in that there is absolutely no shock resistance (or material around it) so when carrying there is a constant subconscious fear of either damaging the camera or worse-damaging whatever it hits. Price is not a concern but in the end I had to give up on higher end flagship models and get the E-M10. Being the only 20MP Olympus available in North America (no EP7) with a good grip and TILT screen of E-M10 Mk IV means I will actually use the camera and enjoy it.

@ForsgardPeter Год назад

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

@gilly2guitars 10 месяцев назад

@svvancouver3307 I totally agree with you on all points. I absolutely loathe articulated screens and will never buy another camera that has one. Like you I am also looking to upgrade from the great little E-PL7 to a model with the specs and ergonomics of the O-M5 and E-M5 iii but both have the dreaded articulated screens. The E-P7 would be fab for me if only it had an EVF. The E-M10 iv looks interesting but it's just lacking a few things for me that Olympus could've easily implemented if they'd put a bit more thought into it. I'm now beginning to wonder if I should just go back to Fujifilm.

@rfsanjurjo 4 года назад

Nice comparison. One thing you did not mention is that the M-10 series cameras don't get the kind firmware updates the upper tier cameras in the lineup do. You'll only get some minor ones for very glaring bugs and support for new lenses. In this case you get what you pay for.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

That is a good point and true. That is something Olympus should think about.

@peterblackthorne1262 3 года назад

I wish Olympus would put weather sealing on all their OMD cameras. I also agree with you regarding the LCD panel. I don't do any video work so I actually find the fully articulated LCD panel annoying. I have an em-1 mkiii with an L bracket which pretty much renders the rear LCD pretty much useless for low angle shooting. I have small hands and lost 3 fingers on my right hand in an accident, so the size and contour of a camera body is really important to me. When I first started looking at M4/3 cameras, the original EM-1 fit my hand almost like it was a custom fit. The newer em-1 bodies with the deeper grip are not as comfortable for me so I actually bought an em-10 mkii which I really enjoy using using especially with the 14-150 mm lens. For me it has become my go to camera and lens combination for travel. If the new EM-10 bodies would include weather sealing and phase detect auto focusing I would get one in a heart beat.

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Good points.

@doozledumbler5393 2 года назад

I’m still on the original E-M10 and it still works fantastic.

@manhattason 4 года назад

All depends on what you want to do with your camera and your particular needs but I find the price difference between an e-m10 mk 4 and an e-m5 mk 3 or an e-m1 mk 2 is not huge, yet the latter two have significant advantages, like better video and audio, phase detect autofocus, fully articulated screens, weather sealing/heftier build, and things like high resolution mode and focus stacking/bracketing. Even the older e-m5 mk II, which is still available and costs the same, is I think a better camera than the e-m10 mk4 in terms of features for the money, with the exception of the sensor resolution and grip.

@thierrygraphie5521 2 года назад

I have an EM10 Mark III and an EM5 Mark II. Both have the same image quality and I prefer the EM10 III overall. the EM5 II has features that I don't need but appreciate. I have 40 years of experience, had all the brands in hand and came back to Olympus. I may be going to the EM10 IV at the end of the year.

@thierrygraphie5521 2 года назад

There are 400€ difference between the two cameras. I find it huge

@hgw7573 3 года назад

2 weeks ago I bought the M5 III - it is the best camera I ever held in my hands - greetings vom Austria!

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Good choice!

@valtav 3 года назад

Congratulations, Peter for the good explanation!

@steventhomas231 3 года назад

The Olympus em10 mark 4 is a nice update but it still irks me that its still missing some things the mark 2 had like being able to use a small af point and set my set etc

@B3trayedUK Год назад

Thank you Peter, I am just about to embark on the digital photography journey and I would be using the camera very much as an amateur and for countryside / holiday pictures. I am definitely on a budget which is why the 10 appeals but I would like one of these two cameras, my question for anyone that might have an opinion is could the EM 10 Mk iv be used in inclement weather or must it be shielded in some way. Lets face it the weather here is at best damp most of the time or should I plum for the EM 5 with its weather proofing? Many years ago before AF I used to shoot 35mm and never gave the weather much consideration but with delicate electronics I don't know.

@jasonwrites9186 3 года назад

I'm confused. In the middle, it sounds like you're saying the AF in the Mark 3 is better, with its phase and contrast-detect. But at the end, you said that the Mark 4 has better AF??

@daveryder4430 3 года назад

Thank you Peter, very helpful in deciding which to get to replace my E-M10ii. I went for 5Mkiii.

@daveryder4430 3 года назад

Now my new camera has arrived (5mk3) I'd say the grip is really very good. I needed a hand grip on my 10Mk2 but, for me, not necessary on new camera. Not having handled a 10mk4 I can't comment on it's feel but the 5mk3 grip is really good in your hand.

@thegirlwholeftthefridgeopen 2 года назад

I really appreciate how they still keep the pop up flash for the EM10. Not the best but I enjoyed using it with some of the art filters and to use it for some Bruce Gilden style of street photography. Great video, Peter

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

Thanks.

@ranieropani6115 3 года назад

What do you think about star panorama and Milky way? Wich ist better? I mean h res shooting make the difference at all ? Thanks

@AdrianHoppe 3 года назад

Thanks for the great video! The prices are kinda funny at the moment... I currently shoot with the e-m10 mk I and have wanted to upgrade for a long time and get a zoom, like the 12-40 pro (I only have the 17 f/1.8 and the 45 f/1.8). right now, I can get the e-m10 mk IV plus the 12-40 pro or the e-m5 mk III bundled with the 12-40 pro at exactly the same price. I think if I was only getting a body, I'd go for the e-m10 mk IV but the e-m5 mk III bundle is a great value at the moment (about 400 € off the sticker price at Amazon, for example).

@datachamp 4 года назад

Thanks for a very thoughtful comparison. Obviously the EM5.3 is ‘better’ but are the extras needed for your shooting. I haven’t really considered the EM10 range much before but I really value the tilt screen rather than the flipping flippy screen I have on my EM5.2 second body. I am fortunate to have an EM1.2 for wildlife photography but for general holiday images as a second body with a prime lens an EM10.4 might be better than my old EM5.2. Sure there are very competitive panasonic bodies but the style of Olympus is worth a good extra to me. BTW, just nit-picking, but you rather confused me because on the table the EM10 was on the left but on the ‘result’ screen it was on the right and I think you had the prices round the wrong way too?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Could be and I realised that the order was abit confusing.

@AliAlireza 2 года назад

I have both and really love them both. They are like brothers each has their own characters :-)

@johnphillip 4 года назад

Thanks for the great comparison! I'm very curious about how much of an advantage phase detect AF gives in practical terms. Have you ever done a video showing better outcomes from phase detect in real-world use? Cheers!

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I have not, but that could be a good video topic. Thanks.

@bsuthe Год назад

I would not even be considering either one of these cameras except that (unless I'm wrong) they both use the BLS-50 battery, which is important to me because my other Olympus MFT cameras use this battery. The determining factor for me though, which you did not mention, is that the E-M10 Mk IV has a built-in flash, while the E-M5 Mk III does not. However, with my E-M10 Mk I, I have the ECG-1 grip which is not available on any subsequent E-M10. So, for now, the E-M10 Mk I is my "forever" camera!

@williamreymond2669 3 года назад

9:35] I really understand your preference for the tilt-up screen for still photography compared to the flip-out articulation screen - story of my life. The articulating screen on my current camera is a bit of a bother, particularly because my extra-spendy-high-dollar not-quite-really-right-stuff L-bracket interferes with the articulation just enough to be annoying. This all true except when I'm taking a shot with especially and there is simply no other way to work but flip out the screen, rotate it, and tilt it up just like I wish it would holding the camera horizontally. Why can't all cameras do both?

@stevenrobinson2012 2 года назад

This was the video I was looking for. This was critical in my research and I really appreciate it. I ended up ordering an E-M5 MKiii

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

Good choice! What are your subjects? What do you like to photograph?

@stevenrobinson2012 2 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter I’m just starting out again after about 15 years and this will be my first camera that isn’t more of a “point and shoot” and I have access to a good number of lenses for it and some friends that can help make sure I learn all the intricacies of photography but I love animal photography and I enjoy taking pictures of random things I see on nature walks and hikes I go on with my wife. Camera is out for delivery today so I’m super excited to spend the day learning the menus and getting familiar with it 😁

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

Congrats! It must be so exciting to get back in photography! happy for you. If you have questions do not hesitate to ask!

@ammadoux 4 года назад

lovely video, thanks so much Peter.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@evidencebased1 2 года назад

Thank you for your nice review. Might I suggest that when you go to closeup, you keep the cameras in the same order. I was confused at first. Best of luck!

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

Good point. My mistake on this one.

@evidencebased1 2 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter love your content. Keep up the good work!!!

@bluebiegrace1828 3 года назад

I’m on the fence...em5 mark iii or the tank omd em1 mark ii.

@robboxify 4 года назад

Hi Peter - good video and the outcome about right. i think the weather sealing on the 5 iii would seal the deal as a go to travel camera

@RobShootPhotos 4 года назад

Thank you Peter! Excellent info! Does the E-M10 IV have Exposure Comp in Manual Mode with Auto ISO? It also will be interesting to see how well the C-AF Tracking works because they seem to be pretty proud about the improvements and if the image quality will be more similar to the PenF or E-M1 II.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I need to do some more testing and see how the C-AF performs. Manual mode and Auto ISO, no exp. compensation.

@RobShootPhotos 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter thank you again Peter! I got to say with that grip the E-M10 IV looks more aesthetically pleasing but at the end of the day, between phase detection and exposure comp in Manual, the E-M5 III is the route I'm going take in the next couple of months. If I understand also the E-M1 II doesn't have 120fps video? I think this really is what is going to seal the deal for me with the E-M5 III.

@alexreay4164 4 года назад

Thanks for reviewing and byyyee for now 😉

@izuanalyahya5205 3 года назад

The Panorama feature was present in the E-PL9 when I had it. When I upgraded to the E-M5 iii, my heart almost sank when I found out it didn't have the same panorama mode. It really is a useful, fun and easy to use feature.

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

I did not know that PL-9 had that feature. I need to look into also the Pen-series so that I know. Thanks!

@izuanalyahya5205 3 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter you definitely should, it is a very capable camera and perfect for street, walkabouts and everyday pictures (nobody notices the dinky little thing 😅). Unfortunately you can't add a viewfinder to it anymore (it was possible with the E-PL8 and earlier!), and I really wanted/needed something with a viewfinder as it's easier for my eyesight. I was very sad that I had to sell it (to finance the E-M5). The E-PL10 has some subtle improvements like the ability to adjust the strength of the Art Filters. That is a massive thing IMO, as sometimes a reduced strength filter effect is more desirable than at 100% (obviously this is for the benefit of non pro photgraphers but perhaps also pros who just want to enjoy and not do too much serious work on their days off?).

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Thanks for the info. I really need to check out the Pen E-PL9 and 10.

@RobinParmar 7 месяцев назад

Excellent comprehensive coverage. I have still been using my E-P5 because the tilt EVF is so helpful for my photography. Another case of a small usability feature meaning a lot. Olympus abandoned that idea. So did Panasonic after the GX9. A small rangefinder style body with a 90 degree tilt EVF and the latest sensor would be a compelling purchase for me. Maybe tell Olympus. 🙂 In the meantime I am using my full-frame Lumix most of the time.

@MichaelWerneburg Год назад

I'm surprised the sensor and image processor didn't come into this. I chose the M5.3 two weeks ago based on its core imaging capability, since I was upgrading from an aging M5.2. I have a M10.2 as well but it's far more limited in its capabilities, far more of a daylight-only shooter. That said I find them both a joy to use. If I could encourage OM Systems to make any other models it would be a rugged fixed-lens beast with the guts of the M10 and the ruggedness of the TG-6.

@mili224 3 года назад

Thanks for the thorough comparison. One thing I am curious about is the sensor comparison. I know both now have a 20MP, but is the EM10 MK IV better because it is a few years newer in development? Or does the E-M5 do better with high ISO? Or is there simply no difference between the sensor performance in these two cameras?

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

The difference is not big. What it comes to image quality either one is a good choice.

@Ryan-dh7rr 4 года назад

Great video! I didn't realise that the E-M5 iii didn't have panorama mode. I've been using the Sweep Panorama feature since Sony came up with it a decade or so ago and really miss it in my interchangeable lens cameras so you've just sold me on the E-M10 iv as my next body upgrade from my E-M10 ii.

@izuanalyahya5205 3 года назад

This is quite unfortunate, really. I had the E-PL9 which had the nice Panorama mode. So so surprised the E-M5 iii didn't have it! 😖

@HansDeseure 3 года назад

Funny because on my Sony a6000 the panorama mode doesn’t work most of the time. I notice myself grabbing the iPhone for that.

@Superjeanmarc 3 года назад

There is a point you didn’t mention which is weather sealing. I have personally lost two EM-10 bodies (one mark I and one mark Ii) because of water splashes. So now I have decided to buy the em-5 mark III, despite the higher price tag. I don’t regret it.

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

You are right weather sealing should have been included.

@markellsworth4194 3 года назад

Almost a year late, I haven't been paying attention, very sorry. I got my third MFT camera February of 2020, an E-M5.MkIII this time. Wow do I love this camera! On one hand, you are not the only who has the favorable opinion on the shape of the new E-M10.MkIV grip, so I think I will take your word for it. I also agree that the tilt screen on the E-M10 series is often less fiddly than the articulating gizmo found on the E-M5.MkIII. I couldn't care less about shooting selfies. The main reason I sprang for the E-M5.MkIII was PDAF. Man is it fast! My second MFT camera was an E-M10 that I picked up the summer of 2014. I shot thousands of pictures and had a very enjoyable experience with the seven-lens kit assembled. Although I never thought the AF was slow for pictures (awful for video), I did have infrequent fails on focus lock. I have had none in 18 months with the E-M5.MkIII. Video tracking is way better, even though I do not do much of it. The think I like least about the E-M10 is putting the SD card together and beneath the battery door. The flimsy door broke on the original camera, so I especially like the more robust sealed body and separate door for the SD on the side of the camera. I haven't yet used the dinky flash that came with the camera. I do think I could be motivated to get an E-M10.MkIV also, should I be on a shoot that would favor alternating between two cameras instead of switching lenses on one. I am not usually in such a hurry.

@MichaelVJager 4 года назад

I have the Olympus EM1 Mark III, so the new EM10 IV would suffice as my second camera. I think the panorama mode is great. And the EM5 III is just too expensive.

@lorenschwiderski 4 года назад

Come Black Friday, both cameras should trim a good $200 off or more from current pricing. That $699 for a body + cheap kit lens, will be a tough sell when you can get the Lumix GX9 with a 12-60mm lens for $799. My guess is that GX9 will actually trim more off as well. MFT is just getting tougher to sell, would be my guess. The video end is holding up fairly well, but that side of the equation has challengers now as well. The Olympus to JIP move is not boding well for holding prices in the line-up. Discounting ahead. -Loren

@lensman5762 4 года назад

@@lorenschwiderski I don't know about the US but here in the UK, Olympus cameras are well overpriced ( like everything else TBH ). A G9 is now retailing for £900.00 or just short of $1200.00 for the body. An EM1 MKiii is still a tad shy of £1500.00 for the body, £2300 with 12~100 Pro lens. This is crazy considering the present dire state of the economy and employment while Covid-19 ( good excuse for the companies to shed workers ) is still making the poor people unemployed. I am afraid for me and a hell of a lot of people like me that I know well, camera upgrading is way way down our list of priorities.

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@yassassinfo 4 года назад

You can buy EM5mk3 with 12-45mm F4 lens for 1000 USD(110000 yens) in Japan.

@wiriyawongrattanapipat1739 3 года назад

Thanks for clear information. It is useful for me.

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@brianjohnson9480 3 года назад

Thinking of upgrading from OMD E-M10 MK1. Other than features have the sensors improved since the original 16MP which I always found noisy above 400 ISO?

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

It is a 20 Mpix sensor and yes the quality is better.

@evgenipoptoshev4112 4 года назад

Hi Peter, thank you for the video. About the mode dial of the E-M10, I remember when I had my Mark II, I could reprogram one of the dial positions (the green auto if I remember correctly), to serve as a custom set. Isn't that the same on the Mark IV?

@keithwilkinson8310 4 года назад

On my EM10 Mark2 and EPL7 any mode dial position can be reprogrammed to use any of the four Mysets. I think this is much more useful than having one or more dedicated customised positions on the mode dial. Have the Mysets been removed on the Mark 3 and Mark 4 models?

@alangamble3236 4 года назад

Keith Wilkinson sounds like that is the case I remember a Rob Trek review on the mk3 stating the my sets were no longer available

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Unfortunately they have removed the MySets and the ability to have them in the Mode Dial like it was possible in E-M10 MKII.

@Chris-Brown- 2 года назад

I still have an em5 mark i with original kit lens, I recently got the 75-300mm lens

@alexandervapnyar3979 3 года назад

Olympus should have kept at least phase detection AF in E-M10 mk IV in order for it to be competitive as somebody’s first “post iPhone” camera against Fuji and Sony offerings. Especially at this price. As for value for money vs E-M5 III it all depends on particular country and personal needs. I wanted 12-45 pro lens. Here in US E-M5 Iii kit with this lens is being sold for $1399. At the same time E-M10 IV ($699) plus 12-45 would cost you $1298. So the rhetorical question is: Does E-M5 III worth a hundred extra backs over E-m10 IV?

@gilottosen78 4 года назад

Am I right to assume panorama on mk4 is only for jpeg and not RAW? I’m looking for an upgrade of my 10 mk2 where I found CAF not to be that good. Hope you’ll make a comparison on that as well. Love your Suomi accent!

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Yes, panorama is jpg.

@charleyb4424 4 месяца назад

If E-M10iv had same (as many) bracketing options as E-M10ii, then I'd upgrade 3 bodies to E-M10iv. I wonder if OMS will ever bring back the missing bracketing options?

@wookongninja7461 4 года назад

What about auto-focus with legacy 4/3 lenses? Did you test any of the older 4/3 lenses? Its a big deal for many of us.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Unfortunately I do not have any 4/3 lenses to test it with.

@niklasgaming9250 2 года назад

I the em 10 for short trips and the em 10 is very good for this, so it is a nice leight travel camera. Nice Video. At the link are photos taken with the em 10

@idlikeabetternickname 2 года назад

Hey, i really liked the vid. Some points to improve in my opinion: put the name of the camera under it's body / put them on the same side on your table and on the picture used for comparison. It's misleading. :)

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

I totally agree with you.

@WMedl 4 года назад

EM-10 Mark 2 has 3 Mysets aka custom modes unfortunately only to set via the menu! I think the Mark 4 should also have that feature!

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I agree.

@AimeeFleck 3 года назад

I was decided on the Mark IV but I am in FL and really would like my camera to be weather sealed. Is the cannon M50 a good choice?

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

I have never used M50 so I cannot say for sure.

@MichaelGerrard 4 года назад

The panorama mode should be added to the E-M5 III in a firmware update. It is funny because as a Panasonic user I have had a similar feature for many years. USB charging too! Sometimes Oly is a bit late. But other features they pioneer so it is a balance :-)

@Ryan-dh7rr 4 года назад

Yeah, sweep panorama has been around for about a decade. It was pioneered by Sony and I still have the P&S that started it all. It's disappointing that some ILC systems are only just getting this feature.

@jannieschluter9670 3 года назад

I want to buy an EM10mk3 but I need the option to charge batteries through USB and battery bank. Is there a way?? I am also from Finland.

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Unfortunately it is not possible with E-M10 MKIII. It would be great if it was.

@fran6992 3 года назад

First of all, sorry for the translation, I don't know English. I need guidance on which Olympus camera to buy (The use I am going to give it is just amateur photography for my hiking trails: landscape, people ... I shoot in RAW.) The cameras are: -Olympus m5 mark ii. -Olympus m5 mark iii. -Olympus m10 mark iv. Thank you.

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Any of those are fine. I would most likely get the E-M10 MKIV or the E-M5 MK III. But its is really hard to for someone else for sure.

@fran6992 3 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter Thanks for replying Peter. I have decided on the M10 MKIV, but now I don't know whether to buy it with the zuiko 14 42mm f3.5 5.6 EZ or the zuiko 14-150mm f4.0-5.6. Is there a big difference in quality and price? A greeting.

@richardpriestley477 4 года назад

Peter A very thought provoking video ; on e question that I have .I have an EM10 Mark 2 ; how would you rate the EM10 Mark 4 against he EM10 Mark 3 as I am thinking to upgrade the Mark 2 version to one of these two above choices. I have also an EM5 Mark 2 which i will keep for the future ?

@Bigfarmer8 4 года назад

Hi Richard, not Peter but hopefully useful info. I have the E-M10 MK2 as well. I bought it when the MK3 already was available. The MK2 fits my hand better than the MK3 though. Besides the MK3 has probably a more intuitive menu then the MK2, but less possibilities. Therefore I bought the older MK2 instead of the newer MK3. I do not mind about video at all, so I did not bother about the 4K video. The MK4 seems to have a way better grip and better auto focus, so that would be the upgrade for me.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

If you need the features that E-M10 MKIV has then yes upgrade.

@richardpriestley477 4 года назад

@@Bigfarmer8 Helo thank you for your thoughts : I would tend to agree with you. Video is not for me and the mark 4 seems better suited. I will wait until the price drops and then take the plunge!!

@richardpriestley477 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter thank you Peter. I will go for the mark 4 when the price drops!!

@ponganuntsnubnaen4767 4 года назад

Hi, Fan from Thailand thank for this content.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Thank you for watching.

@thomasziegler1 3 года назад

Very Interesting Video, Peter! Should i change from em5 mk2 to Em10 mark4?

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

That is hard to say for sure. If you are happy with your E-M5 MKII then no, bit if the new E-M10 MKIV has some features you need then yes.

@thomasziegler1 3 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter thanks for your Answer! And what is your opinion to the 20MP sensor against 16MP? Is the new sensor With truepic8 Software Better for Low light and available lightphotos?

@enriquedehoyos2818 4 года назад

Sensor and Truepic VIII: Tie. Flash: M10 Image quality: ¿?

@pchelpman 4 года назад

Peter, I'd be interested to know why would you not use the E-M1 2 or 3 as your go too camera?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

It is my tool an d I like to have something more compact when shooting for my own pleasure. No real rational reason just my feeling. I have always had it that way. A smaller camera for fun and a bigger camera as a tool.

@pchelpman 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter Thanks for your thoughts. A bit like me buying a Nikon 1 series for its small size, but then they went and dropped the whole range. 🙄

@michaels8597 4 года назад

They make solid cameras,yet i didnt invest more in their cameras,and with the company division going through changing hands,I would wait and see first.Besides,AF is a big thing for me, and USB charging would be nice,if the battery gives less than 5-600 shots.If you can use and charge,you just carry a nice pocket charger,instead of 2-3 batteries.

@robinwong 4 года назад

But E-M1 Mark III wins!

@skysurfer5cva 4 года назад

Yep. Mine arrived two days ago.

@rafaelsegui4845 4 года назад

Got the em1-ii few weeks before the mk3..... ,,,🥺

@keithrjoseph9528 4 года назад

The Mark iii is on my wishlist once the price drops. I'm seeing it for £1200 in the UK but will pick it up once it goes below 1k

@ridealongwithrandy 4 года назад

Good stuff Peter!

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Thanks.

@ottohansnitsch3764 4 года назад

Dear Peter, I want to send you a photo of a cup of coffee. How can I do it? Thanks.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Please do! You can find my email in the description.

@bavideomaker29 4 года назад

Thanks for this comparison. I haven’t looked at E-M5 in years, didn’t realize how small it is. I love the E-M10. Constructive criticism: I don’t think you need to say “Mark 3” and “mark 4” every time you mention each model. Just say it at the beginning of video.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I have gotten a lot of feedback that I need to say the whole name to be more clear. But you are right. In this one it could have most likely worked the way you said.

@bavideomaker29 4 года назад

Peter Forsgård yeah, those people are wrong, lol.

@keithrjoseph9528 4 года назад

As an owner of the EM5 , I'd recommend this camera for photographers based on it's awesome weather sealing, build quality and small size and that's before you get to the picture quality, IBIS and auto focus. The negatives are the evf, and battery life and although the 16 megapixel sensor isn't the best I've found it sufficient for print. I'd suggest anyone buy a new em5 Mark iii because you'll never see such a well built travel camera again although the EM1 Mark iii, which is on my wishlist comes close.

@TomFreer87 4 года назад

Keith R Joseph the non metal case is why I wouldn’t buy one, I’d prefer the Mk2

@tokyojerry 4 года назад

Actually, at this late stage of the game with Olympus having been bought out, Panasonic manifesting decreased interest in M4/3 I am thinking to jump ship from M4/3 all together. One of my professional photographer friends in Japan however suggested looking at Olympus as being a good bargain due to recent news of the acquisition and takeover of Olympus by year's end. So, on that input, I have been thinking about both models. Having had the Olympus E-M10 Mark-II and III in the past I thought, hmmm, maybe just best to wait for mid-September announcement of the E-M10-IV. However, one caveat is driving me away from that is the lack of PDAF and only CDAF. So, even though the E-M5-III is almost a year old already, I am thinking of that in lieu of the Olympus E-M10-IV. Thoughts? Alternatively, I am thinking to just do away with M4/3 all together and look towards (back to) Sony. They are rumored to be soon announcing a full frame model, something along the lines of theirf A6000 but FF and at an affordable price. $1,000 USD-ish.

@manhattason 4 года назад

Jerry Suppan it all depends what amount of investment you’ve put into your micro four thirds lenses. I don’t know why people get so caught up on camera bodies when it’s the lenses that are your true investment. If you’ve invested in lots of quality m43 pro lenses and primes, then I say stick with the m43 ecosystem and shoot with the gear you have until the wheels fall off or until they no longer serve your real needs. It’s not like suddenly Sony coming out with an affordable entry level FF body suddenly makes your m43 obsolete. Also, if you switch and ditch you’ll have to go through the trouble of building up a new e-mount collection of lenses, which will cost significant money. FF glass costs a lot more and are a lot bigger than m43 glass, all things being equal. Also keep in mind there’s likely going to be performance compromises between an entry level FF model and a top-of-the-line m43, whether it’s weather sealing and build, ibis performance, or continuous shutter speed. After all, the full frame manufacturers ultimately want to drive you to upgrade to their pricier models, while Olympus is putting everything it has into their top tier models because they have little higher to sell you. Frankly if you already have good m43 glass, I would suggest purchasing either a Panasonic G9 body, which is their top-of/the-line m43 still camera, or an Olympus E-M1 MK2, which is same specs as E-M5 MK III but better build. Both can be has for a $1000 US, which is not much more the $700 price of the less capable upcoming E-M10 MK4.

@tokyojerry 4 года назад

@@manhattason Thanks for that in-depth feedback. Much appreciated. I understand very well where you are coming from. I've had Sony, Panasonic, and Olympus bodies from way back when, perhaps too many in fact, getting caught up with the GAS buy/sell syndrome. Sony NEX-7, A6000, A6500, A7 (original FF), Panasonic GH1, GH2, G7X, and yes, even the G9 (regrettably sold). Olympus E-M10-II and E-M10-III, E-M1-MarkII. State of confusion, right?! At the moment I am cameraless and get by with my simple but trustable Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro smartphone. But because of upcoming possible production projects for money, I am thinking either this upcoming $1,000-ish Sony FE-mount device, or the Olympus E-M5-III, just a notch down from the E-M1-III but much more affordable. As for lenses, I don't have all that many but do have a couple of the basic Olympos lenses. 14-42mm pancake and 12-50mm internal zoom. I reckon there really is not the perfect camera out there from any maker. There will always be tradeoffs. Currently, I can get the E-M5-III on Yahoo Japan auction for around the USD equivalent of $800, new. I am debating whether to spring for it or just wait until mid-September for the Sony announcement. I am retired but do freelance work, so I have to keep an eye on my spending and budget too..

@hedydd2 10 дней назад

I would be happy to use either camera, Indeed I regularly use an E-M10 MkII plus an E-M1 MkII. It has to be said that although the E-M1 is the top of the range [now the OM-1], these two smaller cameras are by far the most attractive designs. Not only do I like the images and the user experience of various cameras, but I also appreciate a camera that looks nice.

@rafaelsegui4845 4 года назад

One question. Does the em1-ii have the pano mode? I think not...

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Not the way it is done in the E-M10 MKIV.

@jeroen2082 4 года назад

Hi Peter, nice battle video. I prefer the E-M5 Mark III a lot because of PDAF. But I have a decision making problem and can use your help. I have the E-M5 Mark II. Whit a limited budget I have to decide between an upgrade to the E-M5 Mark III or add the lovely 100-400 to my lens collection (12-40, 17 f1.8, 60mm macro, 75mm and 40-150 plastic fantastic). Any advice? I'm leaning towards the lens.

@tobiasdavid3096 4 года назад

Lenses are more important than cameras. I like the M5.2 a lot.

@leonfourie5717 4 года назад

Jeroen Depends what you want to photograph. If you in wild life and birds then the lens for sure. Only problem is that lens is not going to balance great with the e-m5 11. But can still be use on the camera(exstra grip will help)I you only shoot potrets and other general images,then maybe try to upgrade to the e-m5 111

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Thanks. It all comes down to what you are making images of. Most likely you will get nicer photos and can do something new if you get the lens.

@patrml 2 года назад

Very useful, thank you !

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

Glad to hear that!

@karlv.tinero2660 3 года назад

Thanks Peter, what about picture quality? Sensor? Resolution? Low Light? Same level?

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Just about. Not really significant differences.

@karlv.tinero2660 3 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter Thanks! I habe a M10 M3 with 16 MPx. Would I see a clear improvement with the M4?

@glennb3231 3 года назад

@@karlv.tinero2660 clear difference yes, big difference no.

@dudiflug3804 3 года назад

What do you think about buying the em10 ii in 2021? It's 16mp..

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

No problem. 16Mpix is plenty of pixels for many things.

@wantagehoward 4 года назад

I have the M1.3 and M5.3. I think the C mode on the M5.3 is a complete waste of space. Firstly, as there’s only one C on the top dial, so you can’t switch between custom modes using the dial. Secondly, the C2 and C3 custom modes in the menu cannot be assigned to a custom button. Olympus have made this particular feature slow and cumbersome on the M5.3. I look forward to a firmware update to fix this.

@Nathan-we8rz 4 года назад

I find the custom mode 1 on the dial very useful. I have it setup for birds in flight so, When I’m out doing bird photography and I see a bird in flight I can hurry and switch to custom mode and than back to manual for my regular bird photography. But I do agree, it’s super cumbersome to go to the menu to switch to the other two custom modes. I really wish they would have put them on the dial and got rid of Art and SCN. I don’t even know what SCN is but I’m certain that I don’t want it.

@skysurfer5cva 4 года назад

@@Nathan-we8rz I think "SCN" stands for "Sciatica, Cholera, and Narcolepsy". I don't think you want it. :-)

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

I know and i agree. Leaving out the Custom Modes/MySets is a mistake. That should be there.

@skysurfer5cva 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter Even the TG-5 has two custom modes.

@DM-sc4zy 4 года назад

It baffles me Olympus still does not offer PDAF on EM10 mk4, other vendors have had PDAF on their lower end ILCs for ages. I can accept lower pixel count or higher ISO noise but no PDAF?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

PDAF would be great, but it is only in newer E-M5 and E-M1 system cameras.

@brietman_ 3 года назад

The om-d em 10 m iv has focus stacking.

@fpabernard1 4 года назад

I have an E-M1 iii and an E-PL9 as a second small camera. I had the opportunity to buy a PEN-F (2nd hand of course, quite cheap, cheaper than a new e-M10 iv), and speaking of look and feel (including ergonomics), the PEN-F is far ahead my former e-PL9 and even the e-M1 iii (for example : the exposure compensation dial, the EVF on the side, the AF pad with the LCD which really works on the PEN-F and is better than the E-M1's joystick, the remote cable on the shutter button, etc.). I presume it is equally better than the E-M10 iv from this point of view. As it has no grip, I added a plate with a grip on the PEN-F, you can easily find cheap grips with L-plate which are really convenient, for example for making panorama on a small tripod or monopod or even a selfie stick !) . As the PEN-F and the E-M10 iv seem to share the same 20.3 MPixels sensor with contrast AF only, the choice between these two cameras makes sense, even if one is new and the other has been released in 2016 and can be found only 2nd hand (at a similar price or cheaper). IBIS and CAF (without tracking and with a 3x3 AF zone) are really good on the PEN-F, and it has tripod high-res. Of course the E-M1 has much more features (for example, making a hand held high res shot is quasi instant on E-M1 and asks a lot of storage, CPU power and time on PhotoShop with the PEN, starting from 16 RAW images). Tha ability to attach a bigger lens might be essential in some cases (for example using a 12-100mm can save a lot of time instead of changing lens on travel, sometimes you can't change lens ...), and phase AF can make the difference in action shooting, and I'm not speaking of the magic face detect for portraits. But, as a go to camera and for fun for a shooting session (the front dial ...) I think the best camera is the PEN-F, not the E-M5 or E-M10 If you need a solid work house on travel, if you want to save time when post-processing critical images, or you know you will need greater performance and speed, the E-M1 is the right one

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Pen-F is a great camera and I think it is about the same as E-M10 KMIV in usability. The grip is better in E-M10 MKIV and also the features. These two are a bit different cameras fo a bit different use.

@thierrygraphie5521 8 месяцев назад

I do a lot of Studio and Street Photography. I never do Panorama. Is the OMD 5 Mark 3 more suited to my needs ?

@ForsgardPeter 8 месяцев назад

Ys, I would choose E- M5 Mark III over E-M10 Mark IV.

@thierrygraphie5521 8 месяцев назад

@@ForsgardPeter Thank you Peter for your answer, the problem is that I already have the EM10 IV, should I change to an EM5 III ?

@ForsgardPeter 8 месяцев назад

I would not switch if you already have E-M10 Mark IV. It is a very capable camera.

@HenryFalkner 3 года назад

I bought the E-M10 Mark IV yesterday as a complement to my E-M10 Mark II, to do HD video on one, and stills on the other, without stop-starting the video. The pictures of E-M5 III bottom plate breakages show inconsistency of the plastic used in the body. Then came reports about rusting screws. Both indicate the work of over-zealous production managers. E-M10 Mark IV user reports so far say nothing about construction quality, good or bad. The menu on the Mark IV is less convoluted than on the Mark II. So, hopefully, I will no longer replay the firmware writer disagreements each time I change a menu setting.

@enricovarraflythegroove 3 года назад

Thank you Peter :)

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

You are very welcome.

@petecoady6676 4 года назад

Just bought the EM-10 Mark III, not enough difference to upgrade.

@hopsingfoto8548 4 года назад

Yes, the Mk III has little AF-Points using touch screen.

@OlympusMcLeon 4 года назад

E-M10 MK IV can shoot video when the power bank is connected?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

No it cannot. Only charging.

@OlympusMcLeon 4 года назад

@@ForsgardPeter tnk

@bamsemh1 4 года назад

Sadly the only reason for me not to buy it, is the lack of sealing 😕 it's 2020, so sealing should be standard.

@andersandersen1870 4 года назад

"You can not charge and use at the same time, unfortunately" Is there a market for it, that would allow Olympus creating that specific feature? I get that it would mean Olympus sells fewer batteries, create reliability issues, added cost and so forth, so yes from a business perspective i get their decision, however it would be interesting to have Olympus view regarding that specific feature.

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

It would a good thing if it was able to run out of a USB charger. That would also be a bit akward for every day use, but for those moments that you really need to make images and battery is out it would be great.

@sargola 4 года назад

think about making videos from a tripod - would be grat to charge and use at the same time and dont worry about battery life

@andersandersen1870 4 года назад

@@sargola Not be mr. negative, for us in europe we're limited to 30min record time, but for others sure it would make sense to keep recording if environment isn't an issue.

@musicsoundgear 4 года назад

Is the E-M5 mark III plastic too?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

They both are the same material.

@dudiflug3804 3 года назад

what should i buy - Olympus E-M5 MKIII or Fuji X-T30 ?

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Cannot say anything about the Fuji. It hard to say, I would get the Olympus.

@dudiflug3804 3 года назад

@@ForsgardPeterthank you! what is the best budget olympus landscape lens ?

@amitgupte1 3 года назад

Thanks, this is a good comparison. Would both be equally good for wildlife and outdoor photography?

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

Yes both are good for that. Wildlife is better with new E-M1 cameras if you need to have a long lens.

@tdmartijn 4 года назад

Does the mkIV panoramamode shoot in RAW?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

Unfortunately it is a jpg.

@bappo8011 3 года назад

i have the em10 mark iii. should i get iv??

@ForsgardPeter 3 года назад

If you need the features, then yes.

@WhoIsSerafin 4 года назад

So it doesn’t have single point focusing?

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

It does but the real small one.

@thierrygraphie5521 2 года назад

Is the image quality the same at high iso ?

@ForsgardPeter 2 года назад

Very close.

@ansonchew_sg 11 месяцев назад

Personally the deal breaker is that the physical cable remote is removed on both EM10.3 & 10.4

@robertgross6465 4 года назад

Next a comparison of the MKIII and MKIV! I think I know the outcome

@ForsgardPeter 4 года назад

That outcome is quite clear. But I will make a video about is there a reason to upgrade if you already have a E-M10 MKII.

@RobShootPhotos 4 года назад

Oh, I don't remember if you mentioned buffer performance and 15fps electronic shutter. It would interesting to see how well that works and I feel like it's a nice compromise for not having Pro-capture mode. That's odd, the E-M10 II has a small focus point option but I'm not sure if the E-M10 III does.

@xophedebx 4 года назад

Just gimme an EM5 or an EM1 with the tilt screen of the EM10. I 'm hugely missing the tilt screen of my EM5 mkI on my EM1, this pivoting stuff is just not for me.