Y’all don’t realize yet but Omni man is the most brutal from his race but earths compassion changed him the same thing happens with the other Vilturmites that live on earth after
He's technically one of the most barbaric. Spoiler. When the Viltrumites assimilated within human society to replenish their ranks after the Viltrumite war they all crumbled as it only took them a few years worth of human compassion to change while it took Nolan 18 years and beating his son near to death.
Maybe he was not too close yet XD. The space ship was broken soo it couldn't escape on its own. Hmmmm? Definitely he can outpull multiple spaceships if he wishes
You have to pass the event horizon of the black hole before it’s pull proves inescapable. In real life, any man-made ship could escape being as close as Nolan, as long as its orbital rotation is strong and even then, you could brute force it with sustained thruster fire.
@@Loom_Gloom very rough point, on some of the larger supermassive black holes it's theorized that you could even dip into the event horizon without even feeling the gravitational pull at all. things get very weird once you get an event horizon the size of the solar system.
That he went from absolute confidence in his empire for thousands of years to this after only 20 on earth shows just how much living among people who actually care about each other really affected him.
That's the thing, people who care about each other. A human and moral trait that Viltrum shuns out of their barbarous society where might makes right. Hell you can even see it in the fight where Mark and Nolan are helping each other whereas Thula and Vidor are off fighting their separate battles without thinking nor wanting any help from another.
I actually think this is portrayed better here than in the comics. In the comic Omni man just sort of sits on the moon for a couple of minutes, then he flies to thraxa where he is named ruler due to his age. Here we actually see Omni man grieve, even trying to kill himself, then he saves the Thraxans and finds purpose again.
I still can't believe how hard hitting the show is at times; if they manage to keep it up with later seasons and finish the story some day, I can't wait to see it paired side by side with some of the best moments in the comic.
The comics and the show managed Nolan's crimes differently. While in the show he beats the living sh*t out of Mark, while also murdering a ton of other innocent people on purpose just to traumatize Mark, in the comics he's more focused on beating Mark, and the few deaths that happen are mostly accidental. So in the show his redemption arc will likely be much longer than in the comics.
I think the comic did it better because it's kind of unrealistic for him to turn his back on the empire just because he had a wife and kids on earth for 20 years. When he served the empire for over a thousands years. Nolan truly believed in the Viltrumite way and that is better depicted in the comics. Where even towards the end of the series he still struggles to get over his beliefs. Which is much more realistic. Although the show is a visual media and must make concessions.
Can't agree the comics had good moments, but his redemption never felt earned in the comics cause we never really saw him come to terms with what he did, in the show we get to actually see it, and we can't say for certain that he doesn't still Harbour, feelings towards viltrum.
It’s not really done that often in tv/movies. Most villains are just straight-up evil or (the favorite of modern media) evil but “complex” and rejecting of redemption.
Nolan’s story is compelling so far for a couple of reasons: 1. We know he’s been a heartless Viltrumite Soldier for thousands of years. 2. He went to Earth with a mission. 3. He started to struggle. He had to choose either Viltrum or his family. He thought if he pushed past his family, which was “meaningless” he could return to normal and the feelings would go. They didn’t. 4. He feels immense guilt. Nolan’s story is tragic. He can’t be a Viltrumite now, as he is no longer an unfeeling supremacist. He can’t be a human anymore because of the horrible things he did on Earth. He destroyed both of his lives. His only hope is to redeem himself to Mark now.
And from Mark's perspective, "Great you brought me here to clean up...YOUR NEXT mistake because you know that I cannot turn away from innocent people dying. Yet you had to lie to get me into a position that gave me no choice..."
At every step he is haunted by the knowledge that he just did the unthinkable to his own son. Millenia of conquest and death but 17 years raising a boy has crippled his will.
And he traveling through lifeless and destroyed planets, showing what his life and people are actually: lonely and destructive...and dying from the sound of it since I can't think of why else they would be breeding with other races other than for survival...they had one another, but it wasn't enough for them.
@girl1213 spoilers It's revealed that due to a plague theres only about 50 Viltrumites left that's why earth is so valuable humans are so compatible with Viltrumites the offspring are basically pureblood
You can tell that deep down, buried under his stubborn loyalty to Viltrum, Nolan is still a good guy. He saved a random ship of Flaxans from falling into a black hole that he just so happened to be at as well, and then when he dropped them off at their planet he was just going to fly away. He didn’t intend to become the ruler of the planet until they stopped him and asked him to stay.
Flaxans are the weird time race that kept trying to invade Earth that Nolan went through the portal and destroyed their civilization. Thraxans are the bug people in this episode.
Even though Omni Man was a facade Nolan thought he was pretending with in order to eventually conquer the Earth, when he's lost, adrift, aimless on where his life could possibly go next, he slips back into that role, as if returning to what's become familiar to him. And even in real life, there's a whole discussion on how people slip into familiar patterns even when they were forced into those patterns to begin with, and how something a person pretends to be can become part of who they actually are over time. So even if it's unintentional, it's a nice commentary on that.
He was just so deep in the mindset, that he is a viltromite and this is what viltromites do, that he did not see that he lost his desire to follow the viltromite creed until he beat his son to a pulp. Basically he lost everything he cared about in favour of something he does not care about anymore.
@@varunshivan9569 In comics he didn't thats why I question the path of the animated series took by making things even worse than they were just for sake of it.
I love the psychology behind Omni-Man. It's easy to write him off as a villain, but if you lived for thousands of years, had more power in your pinky than a fusion reactor, and could basically conquer worlds by yourself, how WOULD that affect your perceptions? Your motivations? What would happen if you ever woke up from the haze of such a long lifespan to realize that the ephemeral and short lives you wrote off as insignificant were actually deeply important? How would you then cope with knowing what you care about will be gone in what might as well be the blink of an eye for you?
A beautiful interpretation of the character. He is by far my favorite part of the show. Definitely did not expect any of what happened in this episode. Just fascinating how they made him such a terrible villain in the last episode of the first season, the proceeded to give him such incredible deph in one episode. The scene where he says: "I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO FEEL THIS WAY" is exquisite. At the sight of a massacre so similar to the one he commited on earth, there is a war in his mind, between the VIltrimite he was molded to be and the Human created and nurtured on earth. The Viltrimite that despises and the Human that cares. Really want more of Omni-Man now.
This scene really hits hards. Nolan realizes he royally f****d up a great life he had on earth. Killed friends, innocents, nearly killed his son. It was too late by the time he realized the viltrum ways are barbaric and wrong. Poor guy was brainwashed into this lifestyle, and his son changed his views, showed him love and compassion.
Yep. He gave the Viltrumite Empire the Mortal Kombat Universe. But it wasn't enough for them so they are still coming for Earth. Nolan could only wish Mark could prepare enough against them.
The parallels between this and Debbie's walk through the city, the scenes where they both contemplate killing themselves, everything about this episode was pretty much perfect. It's almost too easy to understand the pain that both of them went through.
@@Artliker1234 Id say that its actually a pretty direct parallel. Both are a refusal to reckon with the past and a hurried attempt to move on from the pain they are experiencing. Debbie getting rid of his books and refusing Cecils money is a pretty clear attempt to start fresh without Nolans influence. In much the same way Nolan banging a bug shows a sorry attempt to build a new life.
Anyone else like how the nebula in 1:15 kinda looks like ghosts? Like Nolan is being haunted by the people he killed, the family he betrayed, and the nation he abandoned.
Not really no The whole theme and the atmosphere was perfect, but the fact that a ship, filled with that alien race, that was practically destroyed and going to fall inside a black hole, a specific black hole in the entire universe in which omniman was conveniently there trying to suicide, was pretty convenient.
@lautarocabezas5806, well, you are half right. It can the only black hole in this galaxy which he were in. And maybe some planets sends ships near it sometimes to understand it? Maybe Nolan looked at the BH for some time until he chose to die. I still kinda didnt like Omni man, becoming a good man off screen. I know he had it in him but still... He was a mass murderer
I love how we went from seeing him Commit mass Murder to seeing him like...this. A broken man who left Earth even though he had no reason to retreat. Realizing he fits no where now. Not on Earth or Virtrumite. Thinking of endig himself at a Black hole. Without saying anything they made us feel Sympathy for him. Outstanding
Oh he had a reason. Beat he could do was go to jail for what he did or keep his freedom. What he did he shouldn’t come back from that. He turned on his friends. He turned on his family. He turned on the world.
@xdgaming70 he really didn't if he hadn't felt something for his son and somewhere in there for his wife. Viltrumite though have had to put up odd barriers and other blocks in their minds and on their emotions because they live so long. I'm not 100% sure but I think Nolan is actually older than most of recorded human history. So they are as a species kind of emotionally stunted.
@@jonathancasper04 like I said not 100% but I think him and a few others are close to that. It's part of why they feel they deserve to rule since they are that long lived.
@@jonathancasper04 I think the oldest Viltrumite in the comics is like 2000 years older than Nolan. He hasn't shown up in the show yet, but it is part of their powers. They stay in a physical prime even as they push thousands of years old.
Never read the comics, but this really caught me off guard. I seriously thought the story was Invisible training up for the day he had to take on his father. I really didn't expect a story where omniman does what he does, leaves and then finds himself in a state of regret and emotional turmoil. The basically start becoming a good guy that the story could possibly be about him and his son trying to put a stop to his own race. This show really throws curve balls at you. Omniman has basically become Vegeta of sorts.
Oh youre going to fucking love the rest of this season. Heads up though be careful on RU-vid comments, people who have read the comics will sometimes spoil major plot points for no reason/without thinking about it.
They really do Omni man well in the show. Even though he does terrible things from a human perspective, that’s all he knows. That’s how he was raised to be
All things considered, it's a miracle he has any humanity in him. It really shows how, all this time, there's been an internal conflict in him between his life on Earth and his duties to the Empire. He was lying to himself but, when Mark told him he'd still have him, he couldn't lie to himself anymore. The brainwashing crumbled.
So far my favorite scene in the whole show and it's not even close. The confidence this show has in quiet thoughtful scenes, alongside the violence and mayhem, really sets it apart. The showrunners truly understand the depth that Invincible has, that made it such a popular comic.
He could’ve been out there with _no air_ for weeks or even *months* since he could grow a full beard, and he doesn’t look at all starved for air. Viltrumites are tough, man.
I wont be surprised they as a species of interstellar saiyanXkryptonian travellers, dont have to eat nor breath in between planet hopping. A thousand years would most likely give Nolan and most other old Viltrumites a knowledge of which planets to stop by to get RnR so to speak.
Well I am pretty sure in this version it has been months, due to what happened being around a year ago, though in the comics I do believe it only took him a week to find Thraxa.
There was a video going over Viltrumite anatomy and explained that their body were able to maximize chemicals like oxygen and carbon even if very small amounts, also their lungs contained a special form of algae that produce small amounts of oxygen
He was seriously considering to commit suicide when he got at the dark hole… What this means is, that he understood that he couldn’t live without his wife and son. He was no longer a Viltrumite trying to conquer earth. He was a loving husband and father. Edit: I actually meant Black Hole, but I will left the Comment as it is. All the Yu-Gi-Oh! References really crack me up.😂
In Mortal Kombat, Omni-Man has an exchange with Rain where Rain says, “Drowning will quell your wrath, Viltrumite.” Then Omni-Man responds, “I can hold my breath for weeks.”
It's almost like fate. His mind wrestling with regret and the conflict between his Viltrumite upbringing and his more recent experiences on Earth, Nolan seriously contemplated suicide because he was now a pariah in two worlds. He is then given an opportunity to be a hero again, this time out of choice rather than a mission of deception and conquest.
I genuinely can’t explain how much I actually loved this scene, actually one of my favorites from the whole show Update: With season 2 done, I can still say this is easily a top 3 scene for me out of the show, it still amazes me even now, and I cannot wait for season 3 Also I didn’t expect this comment to get this many likes holy shit
Fucking same. Everything about this scene is perfect imo, you can just feel the the weight of his decisions on his shoulders and the amount of regret he has for them. Towards the end when he allows himself to be pulled in by the black hole hit so hard, he was going to kill himself
Both times we've seen Nolan by himself in an extended sequence like this it's been the most beautifully animated scenes in the whole show. The flaxan destruction and this scene are so so so good
Actually it's not strength that stops him from being pulled into the black hole. It's based on how Viltrumites move through space itself. As Nolan explained to Mark, Viltrumites can touch the scattered quantum particles that make up space itself. They can create their own leverage. If a Viltrumite doesn't want a black hole to move him, it won't. This was to show that Nolan was so depressed that he was considering ending himself.
Quantum particles don't make up space. Space isn't made of any particles. When you read something like "dark matter makes up x% of space" they mean that out of all known types of matter in the universe, this is the estimated amout not that it's somehow the building block of space itself. Unfortunately, this explanation is just poor quality technobabble from the authors. A better one would be to say that he has the ability to not be influenced by gravity at will, perhaps by controlling how gravitons (hypothetical, never observed particle that mediates gravity) interact with his body. Gravity is enough of an unknown in physics, that this version doesn't immediately sound ignorant.
@Fossil_Frank space is a permeable fabric across existence. Light, radiation, etc all exist scattered across it like an endless infinite ocean. That is what space is. I think the explanation is simple. In fact, it's incredibly simple. It's the author himself who doesn't understand the physics on a conceptual level well enough to describe it. If i were to re word his description it would sound like this. Viltrumites produce leverage upon the very fabric that is space. And by fabric I mean the very in-between. What cannot be observed with the naked eye. And a black hole would be absolutely surrounded by particles of all sorts unable to escape its pull as they inevitably reach the event horizon where a second is an eternity. So particles, atoms, matter, etc. No matter what term you use, it doesn't change the fact that Viltrumites move upon space itself as explained and shown in comics and the show. I was explaining above how Nolan can just float in place against the gravity of the black hole using the unfathomable amount of whatever you want to call ems being sucked into it as leverage. The field around a black hole would be a playground for a Viltrumite to practice spatial control.
I like how they show the difference between Nolan and Debbie in this scene. Debbie was also contemplating suicide standing on that bridge but she walked off. Nolan would have let himself be dragged into that black hole if that ship didn't need to be saved. Shows she really is emotionally stronger.
It does show how both of them care and actually love each other. I mean they won't be this hurt to the point of offing themselves if they don't care. Nolan knew he F'd up and Debbie can't believe the man she poured her love too might not be the man he really is. PS: I cannot wait for the make up sex! THAT WILL BE WILD!
@@Ready-ForTheEnd It's a great comparison. They're both at the end of their rope and they're both about to commit suicide. One of them had to strength to walk away of their own accord and the other needed something else to distract them.
Yeah, I thought that too, seeing her on top of that bridge. She was most certainly contemplating it. The traffic below was the black hole she was staring into, just as Nolan was staring into an actual one.
I love this scene not just because of it's quality and style, but because of what it says about Nolan "Omni-Man" Grayson as a character. Imagine being him here, you a 1000 year veteran of untold wars of conquest and conquering, you have brought down civilizations and squashed even the strongest champions like insects before your feet. One day, your superiors give you a new mission, go to this planet, infiltrate their population, and conquer from within. You go there, put on a literal costume while you lie to the people of this planet and slowly work your way up their ranks to become one of the best superheroes of this planet. Then, one day, you meet a woman of this world. Strangely, you find yourself attracted to this woman, you know it's part of the mission to have kids with her and bring your people's numbers up, but you can't help but feel genuine emotion for her to some degree. Then, she has her kid, YOUR kid. You raise him as the humans of this place raised their own, instilling their morals into him instead of the morals of the Viltrumites you serve. You try to tell yourself it's so you can fit in easier, but deep down you know something of these people have rubbed off on you, something that becomes even more apparent the more time you spend raising this kid. As life goes on, you sit and secretly hope that this life you've built with your wife and your kid goes on for as long as it can, you dread the likely possibility that your son will develop your own powers and your plan will be set in motion. You want to stay here, to live this life you've made, even if you don't want to admit it to yourself. Then, the day comes. He develops his powers, and like that, you remember why you came here in the first place, and despite all you've built, all you've done for these people, you go ahead and let the dominos you placed fall. You do horrific, unforgivable things. You killed your friends, you wiped an entire society off the map, you murdered thousands, and you almost killed your own son. But, as you stand over the broken body of your only son, his face bloodied and torn and bruised, you stop. You care, you care about your son, the same son you believe to be weak and stupid and foolish for trying to protect the world he grew up on. You love him. And as you stand inches away from killing him, you break down, and you do the most unforgivable thing to your society. You abandon your post. You wander the stars for weeks, maybe even months. The crushing guilt of all that you have done weighing down onto you like an iron placed around your neck. You have nowhere to go. The Viltrumites you claimed kinship with will kill you on sight for what you did, and humanity will hunt you down if you so much as take a step back on earth. Humanity changed you in ways you couldn't even describe, you don't even have the words to articulate why you feel the way you feel, and you betrayed that, you threw it away like it was dirt all for an Empire that only saw you as a weapon to begin with. At your lowest point, you find a black-hole somewhere in some unsung galaxy. You stare deep into the black pit, a gaping wound in the fabric of space itself not unsimilar to the wound you feel in your very soul, and you begin to let it pull you in, content with dying by your own hands for what you have done. But, as you begin to fall, you see a ship lose power and begin to tumble into the pit. You feel something you hadn't felt since the days before you killed your friends, since before you left earth, the need to do good. As you bring this ship back to it's home, you realize something. Just because you can't go back to earth, just because Viltrum will have your head if they ever see you again, it doesn't mean you can't do good, it doesn't mean you can't be better somewhere else. And though things might still be tough, though that wound still festers, you can begin to heal and be better for those you are around. In short, Omni-man went to earth as a Viltrumite, but he left as a Human.
“Some of them they were my friends….” “I even thought about how I’d do it… How I’d have to do it fast before I realized what I was doing… because I’d want to stop myself” -Omni man talking about the guardians
This is the best scene for me so far in the whole show. We all have a little of this Omni-man in us, full of regret and confusion. Almost like he's just stuck in the moment.. even though he's tougher than steel, he's still emotionally vulnerable to the ones he loves, like all of us. Absolutely brilliant.
@@jean-pierresteenberg Listen friend, just let people enjoy the show. There's no need to put them down for what they interpret from something they enjoy. :D
@@jean-pierresteenberg You seem to have a need to impose your view and define something as "not art", even though that's simply your opinion and not some kind of immutable truth. Perhaps consider that this discussion is very pointless and simply leave people to enjoy the show if they want.
This is madly relatable. I’m not Superman or anything, but this music, the emptiness, that wandering you do after you’ve fucked up hard and ruined everything you ever could have gone back to… Man.
Agreed was lost for awhile myself even almost committed suicide and that look he has while staring into the blackhole gets me everytime as its so understandable without anywords
Wow this really shows how they travel in space. He left earth to a diff galaxy and its really nice seeing him past diff planets/stars. Thats crazy how they can hold their breath for weeks and go that fast between galaxies. In the comics they never showed him travel like this as a comic reader damn I LOVE this scene.. the vastness of space 0:56 to 1:31 beautiful..
I love how you can see the thoughts going through Nolan’s head in the moment with the black hole. He genuinely feels remorse for what he did, genuinely feels anything other than rage or pride in a moment, and that feeling can be overwhelming to any man (or alien). Meanwhile, there’s almost a sense of familiarity, a black hole is one of the most powerful forces in the known universe, and anything that comes close to it is inevitably destroyed. There’s something strangely poetic that he thought it would be the only thing that could kill him.
He was about to commit suicide but when he saw those aliens about to be consumed, it was as if saving them gave him a reason to live again Earth has changed him
The problem is he had nothing to choose. He couldn't fight the empire, he is just one warrior and no force he knows is a match for them. He couldn't conquer Earth, because it would be an ultimate betrayal of his family. He is a traitor to every home he ever knew and is powerless to do anything about it, so he wanted to end it all.
Imagine being that powerful. Drifting through the vacuum of space with no assistance, approaching stars both alive and collapsing like theyre sidewalks. Imagine the existentialism.
Man I kinda felt sad for Omni Man watching this scene. We all understood that he was conflicted within his feelings and his actions have betrayed both his homeland and his family… Now he’s truly alone 😢
He wanted to kill himself into that blackhole, then he saw that ship and decide to save it, cuz deep inside him he is a good person and wanted to save people
@@olafjansowidz It's inspiring how someone can be so utterly negative and a complete ignoramus for no reason at all. You boy, are a new height for stupidity.
Nolan goin back on and against hundreds if not thousands of years of learned behavior is such an interesting character arc. You can really feel his turmoil throughout this episode
Imagine Omi man thinking at this point, he knows he won't be able to fit in Viltrume again, and he knows by the things he did he won't ever be able to be taken back on earth, if earth even can keep existing. Too his eyes, at this point he belives no where.
That isn't just a black hole... that is a QUASAR. Literally the most dangerous / highest temperature object ever discovered in space..... and HE SURVIVES.
pretty sure that was the point, but he really was about to commit to it, but something about that ship crashing shaked up the hero persona enough to get them save i guess
@@mechwarreir2 Considering that viltrumites can literally fight on the surface of a sun and somewhat survive. It would take a dive in a quasar to do it properly
This was less than a page in the comic…and it was more like Nolan being much more pragmatic about visiting the mantis characters. This really shows Nolan in a more sympathetic light. He saved that ship because it was the *right* thing to do
Amber was the only change that was very much for the worse. The creator can disagree, she was made into an insufferable selfish asshole in this adaptation. Mark's change, though, was justifiable.
@@VGamingJunkie Yeah I really think they heard everyone complaining about her last season cause shes WAAAAAY less of a bitch this season, almost like a different character now lmao.
The moment I saw Omni-man's tears when he was flying off in S1, I knew he was different, that he actually cared for Mark and Debbie. This scene hits right in the feels. People may say that he was ashamed and afraid that he let the viltrumites down and that's the only reason he was letting himself go. But I don't believe that for one moment. I think his guilt was more of a mixture of him betraying his loved ones and also betraying himself (viltrumites should not be feeling any kind of emotion, yet he felt). To even feel emotion and second guessing I would say is a big change of heart for a cold blooded born to kill and conquer thousand year old viltrumite. As General Kregg said, " unlike your father, we do not change our mind."
he was in the accretion disk (within the ergosphere). At this point the gravity is strong enough to pull in and shred stars. This is a pretty impressive show of how powerful he is. People think its not as impressive because he didn't cross the event horizon. But even further out from the accretion line stars can get pulled in to the black holes gravity and shredded like confetti. in fact the accretion disk could be made of matter from an actual star that was destroyed by the force of gravity. Look up tidal disruption events.
@@hookoffthejab1 these ships survived flying at FTL speeds without being crushed by inertial effects. They are either super durable alien material, or else have protective fields that keep them from imploding at lightspeeds. So it's reasonable for them to not be destroyed in the accretion disk. It's fiction. Starship often survives close to black holes and stars, when and withstand inertial effects at FTL speeds.
@@lambtoken2708 exactly. Idk why people are so dead set on using this scene to prove how strong omni man is when the artists clearly just thought it looked cool. It's clear he's not resisting the full force of the black hole because when he gives in and allows it to suck him in he only moves like a foot.
I could list a million reasons this scene is beautiful, but one thing I like that I haven't seen anyone else mention is that it's so cool to see Omni-man learn to just be a hero, a real genuine one. He just helps that ship of Thraxans because it's the right thing to do. He has nothing to gain, it's like you or me saving a group of caterpillars. It even seems like he was approaching the black hole as a form of suicide, but them being in danger coaxes him out of it. It's like he found a new purpose in life than the Viltrum empire. This is when he learned to do the right thing because it was the right thing to do. After twenty years of pretending to be a hero it stopped being an act thanks to all this tragedy and reflection. It's such a neat way to start a redemption arc. He became a genuine hero here.
Seeing Nolan do things typical of a super powerful being like resisting a black hole really shows how powerful Thragg is if he is stronger than Nolan, I mean wow...
Right, not only is he stronger they're not even close to the same weight class lol. I remember the first time you see Thragg in the comics and he just bodies Nolan and Mark at the same time with ease.
Nolan Grayson spent his whole life, centuries for him, believing in the Viltrumite empire's ways, and the prior decades growing up learning how humanity lived not just as a 'superhero' but a father. Presented the chance to kill his son and honor the 'Viltrum' way, he was horrified about what his actions brought him to. He no longer believed the Viltrum he knew, and felt he could no longer stand being on a planet he brutalized. He betrayed his heritage and his family. The music and animation captured how deeply lost he felt across space, feeling he had no home to honor or return to.
@@user-ff6dl9zr7uwritten wise yes it’s more complexity and actual relatability but as a kid ah vegetable has it for sure he’s the goat but I understand your choice
Simple animation + beautiful backdrop scenery, top notch song choice, you can literally feel everything Omniman goes through as he sits so desolately on the barren moon
