This is something i wish more people did where they explored theories they themselves don't necessarily agree with but still explore it for potential answers That's why I like watching you and rye toast
Think, Henry! This establishment will outlast every single fragile, insignificant kid on this planet. It will live to see every kid grow up and get a job. Every kid and every customer you meet will be gone
@@siresquawks well, it IS the code from SL. Still interesting that the Glitchtrap Puppet “memory” is attached to it. It couldve been something random like making a drink, but they chose this code instead. Idk, I think there’s more to the “memories” than we think atm.
An interesting thing in FNAF 4 is that the myths of missing children already existed and we also see something very similar to tufts of hair coming out of a costume in the backroom.
It could be a springlock failure William may not have been a murderer yet but he may have still been a psychopath who hides his employees' bodies for a buck. If Afton kills for the MCI, he is still selfish, so it implies he only cares about himself and the things he ""Owns, " including his family.
When Fnaf 4 came out, Scott intended for it to be the last game, and (mostly likely) dream theory was true at the time, so those things are why we hear about those things in the game
@@creeperboom9813Yeah but since it’s no longer the last game all of the clues and evidence have to be recontextualized to fit with the current story. And with that in mind Fnaf four might be the most confusing entry of the whole series.
I like the idea FuhNaff came up with that the graves are the release order for the spirts. It even lines up with what Frights shows us with Andrew (imo a stand in for Cassidy) leaving before the Puppet did. The graves go the original 4, Golden Freddy, then the Puppet. Now, how would William (or more likely the Mimic 'Glitchtrap AI') know when each kid moved on I have no idea, maybe some weird souls connections or whatever.
I kinda doubt this is actually the case as happiest day clearly shows Charlie moving on at pretty much the exact same time as the other kids, and I'm pretty confident the Golden Freddy kid in happiest day is meant to be the bite victim, considering it wouldn't really make sense for them to be Cassidy since UCN exists (unless happiest day takes place after UCN which I guess is possible but would be kinda weird if you ask me)
@@gotem2546 There's also the fact Charlie is the last mask to fall, and if Happiest Day is FNAF 3 than what about Lefty? If happiest day is FNAF 6 then even with the epilouges she is still kicking to throw William in a lake AFTER Andrew moved on (which I belive is Cassidy GF stand in)
@@trainmaster36productions alot of people use Charlie's mask hitting the ground slightly before the other masks as evidence for Charlie sticking around past the other children, and yet they completely ignore the fact that she STILL DISAPPEARS. Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see how Charlie's mask hitting the ground like one second before the others means anything. Also you seem to be assuming that the fazbear frights epilouges happen in the game continuity (just replacing Andrew with Cassidy), but first of all, there really isn't any evidence to suggest this, and second, I don't even think that would be possible considering at the end of the epilouges, dosen't the puppet mask end up at the bottom of a lake or something? And if that's the case, then how would the puppet mask end up in the tangle?
@@gotem2546 Yeah, I don't really like the FF epilogues either, it's just part of the theory and they are the ONLY part of FF I would even consider canon to the games (but I don't like them anyway). More playing devils advocate using them. I would like to think a VERSION of the epilogues happened just with some tweaks because then it keeps some parts of the fandom at bay, but as you said there isn't a lot going for them other than the Elanor pendant being in Tales (which can probably be explained another way tbh) and can just be ignored at this point (ESPEICALLY when Help Wanted 2 had a good chance to introduce who Andrew is in relation to the other MCI kids but didn't; like, add another gravestone and BOOM, ok, that is Andrew, but no, it didn't).
You could interpret the Fazforce collectables as memorializing the tragedy as a negative while the grave recognize their deaths and preserving their memory, as a positive and with respect. With this interpretation it doesn't mess up the death order, you know Puppet being first and the last to go
I find the, "everyone dying on one night" concept very compelling. Everything after is in response to wills actions on one day. All his research, his eventual death, Mikes journey thst potentially takes years. Its a more compelling story and ties up ideas in a more narrative sense that fnaf theories usually struggle with
HW 2 also connects Charlie to the date 1983. To get the Puppet memory plushie we have to insert the date 1983 in the safe in the SL level "Puppet Master", so Charlie is connected to 1983 regardless of the Novel Trilogy Also in my opinion in the Insanity Ending monologue Henry is 100% saying that Charlie died significantly before the MCI. In that monologue he is talking about death and losing life and losing a kid. Here he comment this experience by defying it "a wound fist inflicted on me, but one that I let bleed out to cause all of this" ("all of this" being the MCI) Taking the context of the monologue in consideration, that being Henry's regret, the MCI and Follow Me, we can understand that Charlie died, Henry didn't do anything about the death, he let the wound "bled out" and caused the MCI Still, interesting and original theory and great video. Have a nice day!
My problem with the 1983 code in HW2 is it’s more a reference to OG SL first and foremost than it’s own thing. If it was a new code like “1984” that implied some new meaning that could be different.
I think we misinterpreted Henry’s line. “A wound first inflicted on me, but one that I let bleed out to cause all of this.” The wound is the MCI + Charlottes death which (I think) took place relatively close to each other. The bleeding out “to cause all this” is literally talking about everything that happened after. The possession of the animatronics, the bite of 87, the Funtimes, follow me, everything that had led up to this moment (Henry making the FNAF 6 plan).
@@Takejiro24 than because it's a generic learning ai programmed to to do actions it can mimic emotions but has none it can mimic motivations without having any it can mimic Afton without being Afton but would not explain how it can possess without it having a soul or ghost shenanigans and this would make it more inline with how possession works in the franchise as a whole which has consistently been put people in robots and robots in people / chips in ruins case in people and in help wanted 1 there is no confirmed chip in the heads of the game devs that would cause to have been possessed. That and it would better explain how it can manifest an write it's own code independent of what the devs where making and it being scanned in from retro circit boards and with faz bear frights burning down with all the non haunted stuff faz stuff that would have been salvaged the pizza SIM location under that pizzaplex to scavenge from and and the abandoned sister location to scavenge from for the faz museum they can get the boards from to scan. That with this glitch trap can live independent of the mimic possess the mimic into burn trap and when in help wanted 2 he is killed the mimic endo is still on and hooked to the network there and able to control what's left there and the reason the endo wants out cuz somebody human went down there and it saw a way out learned what it could and lured its way out
This was always my personal take and I'm glad it's being more seriously considered now. As usual the problem is the games keep giving us events but barely an order to them. But I think it's just a valid a view point as most
I definitely hope this perspective isn’t what Steel Wool was going for… I have no problems with modern fnaf existing, but I really hate if it randomly decides to go back into old lore that seems relatively unconnected to the new direction of the series and just tampers with years-long agreed upon lore for seemingly no reason. The MCI dying before Charlie is just so much less narratively satisfying to me idk
Yeah, but it’s not tampering if it turns out to be the original intent. For example, let’s say this was always the vision but it never got across (not saying it was or is), and they just tossed the detail in when convenient.
"Memories" feels like the key term right now. (I won't miss agony but I will miss remnant.) So we may (unfortunately) be looking at a different death date and 'undead' awareness date for most the victims. Minus Charlie which automaticly was awake. Under Willstuff that actually DOES make a minutiae of sense as the Puppet sought her out= instant awareness by seeing her own body. She then later sheparded the others into the same awareness, they needed closure, Happiest day. Golden Freddy perhaps found awareness but not the body, or not bodily contact... Lots of drowning imagery around Cassidy... Shattervictim would play very, very interestingly into this if they all moved on with his memories...
7:46 What if he learns about possession from golden Freddy not puppet? If bite is still first, the fredbear suit would be possesed. Maybe he started doing his “It’s me” thing or something
This is great but I should mention that the MCI occurring across two days is confirmed in FNAF 1, two missing one day, three more the next. Edit: I have been made aware that this is only an interpretation of the newspapers and was not outright stated. So this comment should be read as "This is great." whilst ignoring the other parts.
Also, FNAF 1 info is mostly trivial by this point, with two big retcons and two big reboots already in place. Facts from all the way back in the first game shouldn't be considered as hard canon by this point, imo.
It isn’t “confirmed across two days” this is an interpretation based on assuming one line means it was two days which the actual statement is just “two kids were seen on camera” then “5 kinda see now linked”. Nothing about separate days is at play.
YOOOO A VIDEO ON MY THEORY. My interpretation was that since the kids got stuffed the parents didn’t know they were dead yet since Charlie didn’t she was the 1st known death
It's really interesting to consider and explore. I'm not sure who to think does first anymore :V but give gifts/life really makes me question mci-first. This certainly opens it up more, but yeah, does really compress things if it is the one night
Quite an interesting way of looking at it, though I will not lie. I am wondering why it's Glitchtrap giving you those memories because when you look at it. Glitchtrap (if Glitchtrap is the Mimic) is giving us voodoo dolls with the masks of the possessed animatronics, I can get Freddy, Foxy, Bonnie, and Chica, who he can get information from HW and its final game, but Golden Freddy and Puppet? That seems kinda suspicious to me, Golden Freddy isn't even in HW (I know there's the It's me Easter egg, but I don't know if it counts), and as far as I am aware there would be no information regarding Puppets possession in HW, I know Phone Guy states that the Puppet is 'Always Thinking' but that necessarily doesn't mean possessed, it could also mean advanced ai, which wouldn't be uncommon at the time of help wanted, but who knows, I know i don't.. sorry for the dump
i like this but personally i think the puppet comes a little later down the line because generally i don't think their would be that much security in a random animal themed pizzeria in the 80's for no reason. Idk those gravestones shook everything up and I both love and loathe every second of it.
I like this idea and was going along with it but I realized there has to be a bit of a gap for Henry to build a Secruity Puppet in response to the kids going missing.
One major problem (at least in my opinion) with Omni-MCI and it all happening in one night is the fact that in give cake to the children, Will drives up to the building, kills Charlie, then drives away. Witch that means that Will had to kill Charlie/Suzy, drive away from the building, then go back in (assuming that it is all in Freddy's 0, witch now that I think about it, there is a chance for the car paradox to semi work if you could say that Charlie's murder and the MCI happed at deferent locations on the same night but then that makes some more proboles if you believe puppet stuffed since it can't happen if they are at deferent buildings then the Will stuffed problem's and plenty of other things I might not have noticed but that's beside the point.) The main thing that I do like about this is that it is extremally flexible, where you can incorporate many other theory's, but I am not a believer of this
Whats ur opinion on the secret passage to the bonnie mask being surrounded by 6 dots like the ones we see on the grave stones? If its telling us the death order then would that imply maybe cc died last, as it would connect to bonnie bully mask? I think ryetoast said something similar. Im not sure how i feel about it
Theory; FNAF2 Death Mini-games are all security camera footage that are stored/archived on some hardware somewhere. The puppet "died" with Charlie out in the rain; she became bound to it, her spirit anchored to it --- a BROKEN puppet. It doesn't work anymore, it can't run; which is why it flies. It was caught, on camera; Give gifts, give life. It was seen; so it got tied up to a contraption at the Prize Counter. Notice all the external rigging around the puppet in FNAF2; it then breaks free from the pully system if it's music box stops (consider how Lefty keeps the Puppet calm). In FNAF6, Henry SHOWS US, IN-GAME, scenes from the death mini-games. He saw the puppet move; he built the system to keep it under check, he found out about what happened via the footage. When? How long did it take to find each chunk of evidence? I don't know. Maybe Afton intentionally copied the footage over, stored it on a circuit board somewhere (killers often keep documentation of their crimes) and then overtime Henry found bread crumbs, some footage, some bits of information and put it back together.
i see no reason to not believe this theory, it really looks like that's what Steel Wool was going for when they referenced the MCI again with the grave stone order. Kinda sucks tbh, i really felt like Charlie dying before the MCI was pretty much set in stone even if it was never confirmed.
I also belive when the plush says mean things to the kid it could be mike secretly taking the control to the cam and saying thoes mean things. But thats just my interpretation
But we do know that the puppet died in 1983 in the games due to the 1983 code in the sister location levels in hw2. It could just be because the original code was 1983 in sister location, but they the puppet plush? They could have put the golden freddy plush but they put the puppet plush in there
I think an MCI 83 could work if the timeline was (CC dies *two yellow suits = Freddy's) William uses the suit after they were retired due to the bite. William Abducts the 5 kids later that day and then kills Charlotte later that night and returns home. I don't personally believe this, however, if the MCI occurred in 83 this gives a reason for why Willam killed the kids. This one-day event idea could work.
Interesting theory, I don't believe it but there's merit to it. One issue though: If charlie dies on the same day as the MCI, why wouldn't she be part of it? Why would only a few hours between deaths make her so different?
I mean, most references to the dead children in this series include the MCI and the Puppet together. The main exceptions I can think of are the Foxy Go Go Go minigame from FNAF 2, which shows 5 kids inside the restaurant (Charlie wasn't inside the building), and the newspaper clipping in FNAF 1 that says that 5 children had been linked to the Missing Children Incident. Because Charlie wouod presumably have been reported as dead, npt missing, it makes sense that she wouldn't be grouped in with the others, and she likely would have been mentioned after the two sentences we see of the article in-game.
@@siresquawks I mean like in an in-universe sense. If Fnaf1’s papers are anything to go by, then there was a gap between the first 2 MCI kills and the other 3, yet the in-universe media grouped them together as one incident. Why wouldn’t they add in Charlie’s death as well if she died shortly after the MCI?
Honestly the publicity of Charlie’s death is a mystery as it’s literally never been acknowledged in the way the MCI did. Seriously I can’t find an example of something like the MCI articles for Charlie’s death in the games or novels. That’s a bigger question.
I dont believe the bite victim saw the mci but that made me realise the fact that he doesnt have a spring bonnie plush, surely william would want to give him the plushie of his character. Does anyone have any ideas why there might be no spring bonnie plush?
Ok here me out but what if CC can communicate with the MCI spirits. I do want to note that I still think the Fredbear plush is William (at least until the night 6 cutscene). In the FNAF movie Abby (Mikes younger sibling) is able to communicate with the dead kids from their house via drawings. What if CC was able to do something similar? When interacting with the plushies CC says “these are my friends.” Maybe CC Michaels younger sibling is able to communicate with the dead kids via his plushies. Maybe William saw this and got the idea to talk to him via a plushie to get him into being more afraid of the animatronics, that way he wouldn’t go snooping around and find out his father was the killer. This also explains the night 6 cutscene. The different text color that’s used for all the plushies talking to CC is the ghosts of the kids comforting him on his deathbed.
@@TheCollector2401or because afton doesnt just like springbonnie, he also loves fredbear, that explain why he uses fredbear in 87 instead of springbonnie
Do viedo on when aftons wife divorced him as there is a lot proof that aftons wife divorced him at some point as Vanessa lies about her parents divorced so its likely the mimic took some memories from wills divorce and used it for the cover story. I think they Divorced sometime when the crying child is born (assuming he is the youngest) this could explain why micheal was a jerk to the crying child as he might have blammed the crying child for the divorce (like that brother duo in the movie Zathrua where the old bro blames the young one for the divorce)[note that Zathrua refrence is not evidence] and it could explain why will did not pay that much attention to the crying child as he was busy rasing all 3 of his kids by himself and as we all know thats no easy feat to do. Plz read my comment
I have this one theory that I like to call: “Puppet Stichwrith.” (This is just a gamble and I’m not sure if this’ll be something like Gregbot.) Which is exactly what it sounds like: the stichwrith plot line, but with Charlie and Crying Child inside of the puppet. Okay, so let me explain this one: I believe that Henry is the one to tell CC that he will put him back together, just not in the way CC expected. He decides to accept it and just follows the programming at first, making sure that nobody ends up like how he did. (Which I don’t think is TOO big of a stretch, but feel free to disagree.) Charlie dies and CC tries to go after her, fighting the programming while trying to save a fellow innocent soul. Heck, CC could’ve probably known Charlie at this point, seeing as their dads were close friends. This is where Charlie becomes part of the Puppet. I think the rest is mostly explainable, The two bring the MCI kids to life, and… pretty much what your timeline is… more or less. The only difference is in the Happiest day mimigame, where CC feels regret about starting… basically all of this. (Even if he didn’t save Charlie, William would’ve still gone mad due to the bite of 83’.) But Charlie decides to give him his happiest day, along with the MCI kids. CC then takes on the personification of Fredbear(as seen by the Fredbear mask) which is the same Fredbear giving us help in FNAF world. I know that this theory might have a few plot holes, but I’ve been crafting this theory since last October or around that time, and I wanted to see if this gets the Squire Squaks approval. Also, if you still don’t believe me, how do you make Puppets? With STITCHES.
I definitely don’t think Charlie died on the same night as the MCI kids, but then again I also don’t agree that the MCI kids were all killed on the same night either, which is apparently a hot take despite making more sense
It's less a hot take and just wrong to say they died on multiple nights- there's only one thing in the entire franchise that could even suggest they died on multiple nights (a fnaf 1 poster) which is contradicted in the same game (another fnaf 1 poster). "Five children are now linked to the incident [singular] at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza in which a man dressed as a cartoon mascot lured them into a back room.". It's always been 1 night for the MCI- the rest of the theory still is in-question, however.
@@siresquawks that’s only if you assume that “an incident” can’t take place over more than one day, which I don’t think is an assumption you can make especially when there’s evidence to suggest it did
Maybe its not all in one night. If the order is BV > MCI > Charlie, theres probably a decent amount of time between mci and charlies death because of the security bracelets and security puppet. Before charlie died they gave every child in the building monitor bracelets, to track where everyone is at all times, which would obviously prevent another mci. Even though the voice mimicking funtimes and remnant magic metal bs exist in this story, it’s not unrealistic that this took multiple days or even weeks for the company to greenlight and install. So maybe BV ends up in a coma, then MCI happens in response, then a few days later BV dies in the hospital, then william gets drunk, drives back to the location, then sees charlie outside and murders her in response. Still not as strong as charlies death in 1983 then the MCI in 1985 but it does tick many boxes
@@Wizardjones69 why? then theres no explanation for the hospital bed equipment or why we even hear the flatline at the end of the cutscene if hes already dead.
@@siresquawks I see thanks for the clarification. So five kids went missing, two were identified in camera. So Henry didn't report Charley being missing?
We actually have never gotten anything related to Charlie’s death and the public, even the novels has it covered up. The games say nothing. We have no clue.
Its important to remember that the MCI in the fnaf 1 newspapers was split into 2 days, first 2 then 3 more the next day, it cannot have been all 6 that night
Just to be clear, this still doesn’t confirm 100% where the Crying Child fits into all this. It just gives the order of the MCI and Charlie, and it doesn’t really give any indication as to when the Crying Child was killed or soul-freed or whatever. So there’s still hope that he died first and that afton has a motive to kill
This greentext is like a suckerpunch while watching a bunch of puppies, why did he say "fembot" Edit: how did this comment get here, I was commenting on a completely different video 😭
I start the video and immediately claims MCI83 wasn't viable till HW? It was always viable bro, its what the games said. EDIT: Little proof of BV seeing the MCI? This just ignores alot of evidence people have known for 8 years. You also presume William being the plush. As a Criticism you go into this with way too many presumptions of whats true and whats not. It also feels you dont have a complete idea on why MCI83 exists and is believed
Was wenn afton auf dem Weg ins Gebäude Charlie tötet und dann MCI tötet. Puppet wäre dann raus zu Charlie und niemand wäre dann da um auf die Kinder aufzupassen und dann würde afton denn MCI begehen
