I don't understand your point. Technics became virtually unknown because they didn't move into the digital DJ market. Pioneer DJ are still the number one product brand used in every single DJ booth in clubs and festivals. It cost them millions upon millions in marketing and advertising to achieve that status. Why throw away that brand cachet and ability to price accordingly on a product line nobody has heard of unless you're told it's owned by the company that owns Pioneer DJ?@@speedygeoff9595
Yeah if a button goes out there's always the possibility of opening it up and changing out the part. your touchscreen breaks you've got a 1500 dollar paperweight
I think It makes since to have digital buttons for things you don't need to touch as often while playing and you can set it how you prefer but some of the things (like the sync button) I feel should be physical imo
@@sidekicksjn can’t judge that from a distance really, but it just doesn’t look like professional dj gear. It looks like a ddj-flx4 with built in monitor, for the price of pro dj equipment.
not only that for that price u can get a setup of xdj700 and a batterypack to do just what this is supposed to do but better or a secondhands macbook/laptoptablet and a controller
You'd probably still need a mixer for the two XDJs, no one needs two heavy ass media players that can't be mixed. And for people just getting into the hobby, you should be including the cost of the mixer, if the unit doesn't come with one already.
@@stadium999I'd actually say with the lack of so many buttons and the reliance on a tiny overcrowded screen that it's actually not very accessible at all! 😑
@@ScrottyMcBigMacEven the ddj 400 had more features! i'm only buying that one IF it reaches 600. I'm not spending any more. (acounting the ddj 400 needs a fairly good pc to work)
So far I am quite dissapointed. Let me start with saying it's great to see that AT/Pioneer DJ are trying to move forward to streaming, wireless, party/bluetooth song request kind of modes for those house parties or jam sessions on the go. But there are a lot of major oversights for me, and things that Denon/Numark already do better at a better price point. Moving away from physical buttons and having to take more steps to get where you are on the machine whilst in the mix is something I have experienced on a variety of Denon gear, up to the SC6000 even which is brilliant. Pioneer or AT (this will age like X/twitter...) always has had its strong suit on having the same physical button layout, everything from memory cue and loop to hot cue / play cue buttons and mixer controls are all the same on the whole scala of their products, this was a major strong point. Any DJ with experience on pioneer gear is able to play a set with 0 set up time regardless of what the venue is set up with, this seems to fade away with this product and assumably more so in the future. I strongly wonder about responsiveness of the buttons and the interface, the waveforms seem cramped and tiny on the screen as they're surrounded by the on screen buttons. The bluetooth song record and manipulation is a cool idea, but I wonder how much use it will get and how it will sound on some pa speakers. Personally I am missing the following buttons: Slip/Quantize, Master Tempo, second bank of cue button levels for beat loop and effects, Color FX selector, the brilliant FX section, headphones cue buttons, track search, physical browse and playlist buttons. No jog wheel lights is a shame but I can understand with battery power and size, but it is an iconic touch that is gone on this unit. Then one gripe I really cannot get over with, even for house parties and on the go: Where is the second usb A slot? It probably won't also work with a tiny usb hub or will it? How do you swap dj's now that are not on SD cards. And there is no major streaming service integration so you can't really hop on to one of those, play a track and swap usb. I guess as a hardcore Pioneer fanboy it is time to invest in the last holy grail setup and watch that age like fine Technics wine. Any thoughts of others or Crossfade themselves?
Couldn´t agree more. Huge blunder from AlphaTheta in my opinion to deviate from the established layout. Luckily we got the FLX-4/FLX-10 controllers before they made the shift. They will be around for quite some time.
I purchased my XDJ-XZ 3 years ago and unless it goes totally dead I don’t think I will change, its got EVERY feature, input and output a DJ would need, so this new bluetooth gimmick while having only a half ass controller makes 0 sense to pick up. Even the bedroom djs would be better off with a DDJ-400…. Useless product
@@Tokent555 even the older CDJs are better than this crap. imo peak was CDJ2000NXS2 / XZ, everything after that isnt worth it. If i was a beginner and someone told me "bluetooth connectivity" i wouldnt even know what to do!
@@impulex4952 My only problem with that setup is that before the XZ even 1 Nxs2 was much more expensive than the XZ itself. The club where I learned most of my stuff had 2 2000nxs2 and a 900nx2 mixer, there was no way I could afford anything like that to practice at home, but then thankfully the XZ came out and it was my first normal setup after the DDJ-RB
@@groovindj Numark Mixstream Pro £553 released 2021 and battery version Numark Mixstream Pro Go £666 released 2023 both units use Engine as an OS and have more features on launch than this lazy addition to Pioneers hardware catalogue.
I love the look, the size and almost everything about this unit. BUT.. Twice the price of a Mixstream Go with less features and an extra monthly subscription.. come on Pioneer. Give use something disruptive like the DDJ-1000 again. The only reason would be the existing rekordbox support which is using a different file format as well.. At this price point it’s very hard to consider.
What's up with the whole "lets move as many buttons as possible to the touchscreen" concept? Seems like a complete antithesis of the concept of a DJ controller, if I didn't want physical buttons, I'd be DJing without a controller directly on a laptop/phone. Especially at that price.
Probably because it's cheaper to make one screen than multiple various knobs and their entire electronics. I can't imagine trying to figure out the menu in this thing to do stuff that would take one knob though.
I'll stick to my Numark Mixstream Pro. I can also mix on CDJs and Pioneer's all in ones fine at this point. I just need something to practice and home and make sure tracks sound good together. The fact that there's no streaming is also a big letdown. I am considering upgrading to a used RX2 or SC Live 4 down the line for almost this exact price range. it's a shame this couldn't have been sub 1k for newer djs.
@@christbel4965 The funny thing is that in reality everyone knows that all Denon/Numark units with wifi already have a built-in bluetooth chip since the 2017 sc5000. It's just not enabled in EngineOS yet.
Denon prime 4+ is a bit more expensive, but loaded with the features. If I would throw a party in the wild I would just use a mobile powerbank like Ecoflow, so I can play all night long. And sound systems usually run from the quiet generator like the red Honda series. Can't get the idea of this device. By the way, while the interface looks sleek, absence of the physical controls for effects and players makes this also less intuitive.
The Pioneer / Alphatheta mentality at the moment is a bit "Tell us what you want/expect and let us explain why you don't need it while paying 60% more than the competition who have everything you want".
Oh dear oh dear, typical Pioneer ignorance. New product already out of date. The Numark Mixstream Pro Go is older, cheaper (half the price) and has more functionality with streaming services integrated from launch.
I don’t understand why they don’t listen to what people want rather than the company trying to tell us what we need…there’s a whole community of djs that they could access to make something that is truly innovative but they just rely on their name… no one cares.
@@jaja87 spot on. But they are the mighty Pioneer who know best. Unfortunately the heavy reliance on industry standard with regard to the CDJ line up has made them a very blinkered company. They haven’t been anywhere near as innovative as they should’ve been and have been overtaken and now look very outdated.
Not even a Denon Prime Go really is it? With that plastic build it's closer to a MixStream of which has more features and you could buy 2 of and still have change. 😂
love the size and the looks with xlr outputs and mic inputs. But price killed it all. otherwise i would think about getting it. if you connect computer with rekordbox, arent you able to use tidal with this then?
Been waiting for such a unit, I like the color design and the connectivity options BUT - Price tag wtf? The screen is so pixelated low resolution, the thick black bezels wtf? The Effects control also is very bad. Next release please..
I would be worried about how the BT performs in a room full of people with BT and other wireless features going all over the place with laptops and phones and etc everywhere causing interference
Thanks very much to Jamie for another excellent product review. I remember watching you nearly 4 years ago reviewing Denon DJ's excellent little Prime Go and therein lies the problem, they've blatantly copied the Prime Go from 4 years ago but produced a product that doesn't do as much as the Prime Go ( bar the Bluetooth ) and yet this will probably cost a fortune compared to that. Denon DJ must be rolling on the floor laughing right now 😂
can’t judge that from a distance really, but it just doesn’t look like professional dj gear. It looks like a ddj-flx4 with built in monitor, for the price of pro dj equipment.
Looks Ideal for outdoor sets and streams and has some unique features but the price is wild! Thought it was going to be under 600 euro for sure till I got to the end of the video.
If they kill the Pioneer brand- that is a mistake, those pIoneer products have a high price tag and sell out almost immediately. That will hit them in the pocket. This product isn't innovative without the streaming- it is behind the numark and denon product (that is basically the same product) at launch. The price tag puts it out of the range of "just throwing together a party with some friends."
I think AT/pionnerdj are having troubles in knowing what djs actually want . The console which came before till DJM A9, they all looked like a dj console, complicated machines but fun when you know how to use it . Nowadays they are realising stuff which looks like a showpiece. I personally would feel bored after sometime to play with these players . Hopefully AT realises it and comes back making products that are actually dj products. Not some toy to play with.
Bluetooth integration is wild. So you can actually hook up a pc, microphone or anything that uses bluetooth, live generate whatever you want (like someone at wedding having said something), and loop that on that system. It's not about a song on your phone, but it is about spamming the "I do" at that wedding party just before the beat drops.
I’ve learned from enough new products that I’ll have to wait to hear from friends before spending 1400$ on this. I already got a prime go and while it isn’t perfect. It was truly innovative when it came out and it’s helped me tons over the years
1. It lacks the typical loop buttons. 2. The trim button is not at the top, but rather sitting awkwardly on the sides, same applies to the filters. 3. The pitch fader is laughable at this price point. 4. There are no Hot Cue/Pad FX/Beat Jump/Sampler buttons on top of the pads. 5. The cue/play buttons are miniature and made of plastic, they also share the same white LEDs (have fun distinguishing between those 2 in a club setting) Both Pioneer & Alpha Theta have lost the plot.
everything about this unit (including the brand) feels completely backwards direction. If this unit came out under a new brand you would not even make this video
@Dennon - heres your chance.. finally pioneer is on self destruction mode. make Denon the next DJ club standard before alpha whoever makes all of us gay
Looks like a cheap toy, and it most certainly isn’t for the price. Shame the way in which PioneerDJ/AlphaTheta are going on. Shelving the most recognisable brand in DJing. Must be something going on at the top because that’s one of the worst things you can do 😬
I'd be happy if they ditched the streaming service in exchange for lighting control or something useful. Streaming services are whack anyway. Owning your own music is the way to go.
If you're going to put out a piece of gear that emulates what the competition is doing...have been doing, if you're not going to do it better or as good then don't do it at all. Never mind the Prime GO, this doesn't even stack up against the battery powered Numark standalone.
love how you can get more affordable comparably to other cdj/xdjs while still retaining most of the cdj features. dub echo and the other filter options are super sick to see on a small form factor all in one. mono split is also dope. i can see this really being useful as a way for people to learn to play on cdjs, and also for small venues/ clubs/club djs. super stocked to see how this will influence futures alpha theta/pioneerDJ products
Dude, take off the rose-tinted glasses! 😂 This thing is heavily over-priced and heavily under-powered! It's the DJ controller equivalent of when Apple started removing ports from their computers and phones and said "but don't worry, you can use an adapter that you have to pay extra for to replicate the same functionality of the older models". It's an absolute joke. The FLX-4 has better functionality and is 82% cheaper (based on Australian prices) all so that you get a controller that looks like a kids toy, with an average battery life, and a Bluetooth gimmick that you'll never use... No club DJ or mobile professional in their right mind would want all that wasted button real estate on the controller in exchange for having to click on a little overcrowded touchscreen for every single other function and I'm not even sure if you can even replicate all the standard PioneerDJ features anyway! You must clearly work for Alpha-Theta if you think this is a *great* product that will actually help the industry! 😂
Got to say I'm not a fan of these new designs (this, the new flx-4, opus, etc), i liked the utilitarian professional looking design of the last gen controllers
Pioneer DJ's interfaces were bright and looked similar on most of their products so you could get familiar on a professional setup if you practiced on a DDJ-400, but the monotone look of the OMNIS-DUO makes me worried about what they might do with their next CDJs
They clearly don't want to associate legacy and established club products released under the former Pioneer Dj brand with Alpha Theta. This product release coming out at the same time a rebranding is going on shows a new direction from now on. IMO they want to put ore focus on everyday DJs and content creators.
Great detailed review. Just don’t understand why this needs to exist, or why they seem to be using the lacklustre prime series of controllers as a benchmark to beat
I feel they really missed out on this unit. They had the Dennon as an example and they didn't copy the cool features in particular the lighting with Philips hue. One more thing is the breakout box for low latency layout..... Come on! Who wants to have this sonic link thingmidget dangling on the wires. So it's wireless.... with wires.... Last but not least if it's a unit to move from CDJ's why not fully replicate the look and feel of a CDJ Same buttons, same layout? Otherwise cool device.
Inmusic group now would be a great opportunity to drop a numark ns6iii, something about the size of the ns7ii without spinning jogs, lighter, and just a few upgrades and you'll be the newest leader in this Dj equipment biz!!!!!
The AlphaTheta speaker does not use Bluetooth for low latency audio transmission. You have to connect your DJ controller to an auxiliary box using RCA. That box then transmits the audio to the speaker wirelessly and with a low latency, but the auxiliary box and the speaker do not use Bluetooth for the connection. They use a proprietary method.
It's interesting, but I would've preferred a DDJ-FLX 4 (and 8) with the onboarding screen and no battery and no Bluetooth features really. I'm not impressed compared to Denon Prime Go, but it's still a good step forward.
So what I’m getting is this is the first device of its kind? Or does another controller stand tall against this controller I keep seeing they are missing sound effect knobs
@2:15 "Yes, this is basically a Denon DJ GoPro, but the EQ knobs are actually vertical, designed for human beings" I was really hoping that Denon would fix that glaring issue, but looks like Pioneer beat them to it anyway.
Excellent video, as always. BIG BUT: Whoa, did the thing allowes to record audio from spotify and play it in parties where a DJ charges money for that? I bet a big sue is comming to Alphatheta if that's the case.
The price is ridiculous. For a portable device intended for random simple DJing with friends, it’s definitely overpriced! Pioneer might change the look but their greedy price policies remain
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery... once again, Denons innovation is making the 'club standard' developer "cough cough" innovate too... Pity this will probably disappear when the monopoly arrives... just like a government without an opposition, the only people who will benefit won't be the general public... and we will pay more for less. The irony is that the industry and those that purport to care about it are the ones who are letting this happen. I know I sound like a stuck record...pun intended lol and very cynical, and I think rightly so... but if I end being wrong, I'll happily eat an entire bakery of humble pie. Still, nice to see some new tech and choice for the community. There are some cool features on here, but price vs the go? Thanks for keeping us up to date
