(The people saying I never liked your smile in the comments are friends of mine, ty for the DMs but I'm ok) This video was very draining to make, but I'm so glad it's finally out there. Content creation is a dream job for me and the fact that someone could try to so carelessly rip that away is so evil I don't even know what to say.
As someone from the TF2 community, it holds true. Often the best and least controversial sub-community of RU-vid TF2 is the artist/memers/musicians and not the tf2-tubers.
As a wise man once said Twitter is a place where people will treat fictional characters like real people and real people like fictional characters and then get mad at you for knowing the difference
twitter is puritan central for this brand of asshole, it used to be semi-contained in tumblr which is just structured better to keep these types in their own corner but the NSFW purge several years back made them have to follow their victims to new platform, mainly twitter naturally. I feel like they'd have a collective aneurism if people ever found a totally art-friendly platform that didn't respond to mass false reports.
Yeah! I am in the Omori community on other websites, (youtube, ect) and it is not this bad. There has been some people like this, but they have been kicked.
shipping discourse is stupid because there's no justification for hurting real people over fictional ships. yes, i mean every ship possible, even the ones i personally dislike
Its also worth noting that a lot of people who like problematic ships are *kids and teens* who *literally don't know any better.* Adults just expect us to know these things as soon as soon as we pop out of the womb fr
@@actualgoblin i seriously don't even care about "problematic" (i hate this word) ships and just mute or block anything related to ships i personally dislike. yeah, sure, "problematic" fiction will normalize everything evil in real life... if you allow it to do so yourself. i've been playing violent games, consuming taboo fiction and writing such for years now and it didn't motivate me to do anything harmful irl. i think the main problem lies in people itself, not in artworks or fanfictions
Literally yes. Below is CW: pedophilia stuff. Things I've noticed as someone from the outside looking in. / They don't care about real victims, despite their claims. They only care about hypothetical ones. I know this because I've seen antis locate another's CSEM and spread it about, and tell the victim they deserved it..... all because they shipped "incorrectly". They also sexualize children way too easily... little girl crawling around? They whine about sexualization and then yell at us when we react like "What the sweet Hell are you TALKING ABOUT" in regards to their accusations... I don't identify as either group. But I don't trust antis due to these actions. I don't trust a group that can locate CSEM (not lolicon or whatever else) "easily".
@@sosi.pis0sit's all abt escalation. People that continue to consume taboo fiction will eventually find that doing so doesn't do it for them anymore, so they'll seek out more visual or intense things.
@@8_8787 it's fucking weird even if isn't real fiction is where it starts and when it doesn't satisfy people anymore it leads to the actual real thing, say what you want but drawing kids fucking each other will NEVER be normal or should be normalized
People like to act they know everything about a person based on one part of them they have seen online, most often their “problematic” side. Problematic, as in, what people deem taboo and think, “This obviously defines who this person is.” I feel so bad for Osulan
@@actualhooligan Problematic or not, it will never justify any form of harassment or death threats. People think they are white knights, saviors of the weak, but they are immature kids behind a phone who aren't able to speak to a real human
Honestly gotta give you props for speaking up about the bad side of the community cause the bad side itself is starting to get really apparent and just not worth being around as much :/
I wonder, what Twitter fandom has the best fandom? Mainline Mario, for not only being so omnipresent no one could not know of it and get a fact particularly wrong and cause a schism, but that the trajectory of mainline Mario is so obvious that it is hard to dispute? (If I just said Mario, that drags the Mario RPGs and Super Mario RPG, the Paper Mario series into it, and all three categories have controversies).
I don't have twitter either, even tho ppl around me back then wanted to force me to get one... Just because they are so forceful, made me afraid the rest of fandoms over there could be worse, so I just left my "friends" (thank god I did) and stumble upon horror storied about twitter. Yep. Glad I don't have twitter
If you want to find the best gaming community. I recommend trying the Tetris community. Where else are you going to find super chill professional gamers who compete in tournaments who will actually reply to your comments? The community is almost completely positive. Even the small amount of negativity is comparatively lesser than common negativity seems in other communities.
Funny enough my toxic and manipulative ex was a Omori fan We met on discord and broke up sometime after he tried to trick me into drawing porn of underage characters (I broke up with him cause I saw what he did as gross and he was grooming a minor) He probably does use Twitter though
Have you seen the communities around media like My Little Pony and Bluey, shows about friendship and family for literal babies? This type of audience is exactly what wholesome media attracts.
Omori was so meaningful to me given its realistic depiction of mental health struggles like suicidal ideation, depression, and anxiety. Genuinely, when I saw taking deep breaths and focusing to overcome a perceived yet ultimately imaginary threat was part of the game I almost cried... like yes, this game gets it! So often in media mental illness is depicted as padded cells, straight jackets, and maniacal laughter kind of way... instead of a much more realistic "I can't get out of bed" and "I want to live in a world of delusion until I die" kind of way. It's the first fandom in years that inspired me to get back into writing and made me realize how much I love doing so... but my lord the community should be avoided at all costs. The amount of grief I've seen people I care about go through disgusts me. Cowards advocating for people I know to commit suicide in private/anonymous DM's for example. Artists in general (much less artists for a game with the themes of Omori) are struggling with mental health and attempt to vent/cope through their art. I've seen some artists get called out for depicting self-harm of the characters (characters who engage in self-harm in the source material ffs...) and not once does anyone consider if there's a reason for it. My claim to fame in this community is almost nonexistent (a character analysis I was harassed into deleting, and some stupid comedy fics on ao3) and given we all know now how this community developed... I'm glad for that. I know I couldn't personally handle the mental anguish of the righteous mob mentality. I can't imagine being a notable artist or writer who touches upon problematic themes (usually as a way to vent/cope with real life trauma) as though writing/drawing them are advocating for them. Despite its many attempts, the community has not quite killed my interest in the game. While I know its message of learning to forgive yourself and others has fallen upon deaf ears, it's still an important story for me. I'm waiting for most of the community to move on to the next thing they can ruin, because if there's anything I've learned it's that a smaller crowd of like-minded people and content creators are better than a million shrieking children (if not in age than in mentality) trying to earn internet clout by being holier-than-thou, cancel everybody, twitter Jesus's. Ok, I'm rambling... sorry, I tend to do that. I'm sure I got a little incoherent there, it's late at night when I'm writing this but I just had to say how much I appreciate this video. You're doing God's work sir.
I'm glad you didn't let the fandoms dogmatic behavior completely erase your love for the game. Time to create new memories, with new and more considerate OMORI fans.
It’s a bit scary how ppl can be apart of a “fandom” for a piece of media and be completely against everything said story represents. Even funnier when we consider the creator went through their own controversies that are kinda nothingburgers. And they’ll go on to say to like the game, but not the creator, as if the game’s messages cannot be applied to the creator as well. Another example I’ve seen are the homophobic & transphobic Undertale/Deltarune fans. I can’t fathom how ppl can consume content they fundamentally disagree with and poison group spaces with their hypocrisy.
Oh hey, I've seen your stuff on AO3. You were the one who wrote the funny Basil alcohol dentist fic, right? The fandom is admittedly a major reason why I'm terrified to post my own fanfics even under an anonymous handle. As I tend to draw inspiration from my own life and writers like Irvine Welsh and David Lynch, I shudder to think how the fandom would react to my drabbles if something that's shown to be canon (self harm, mental breakdowns, suicide, etc) gets people harassed and demonized by a media literacy-challenged crowd of children who shouldn't even be playing this game in the first place. I agree in that the fandom can't diminish the impact this game had on all levels; the game's story has its flaws (the underutilization of Hero and Basil, for one,) but there's no such thing as a perfect story, and for all the turmoil the production had, it was affecting and made me laugh-cry in a way that's hard to put into words. (not laughing as in haha funny, but laughing as in haha i want to cry but fuck i cant my brain wont let me)
no fr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hate that i'm not even surprised that such a beautiful game has a community with such a shitty immature side to it (undertale... glad i never saw a playthrough of it until like 2019 lmao). omori as a game is just.... i hate it, but not in a "hate" hate way, hate as in "holy FUCK you GET IT!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO YEAH!!!!!!! WAIT.... WAIT WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAnt live in my childhood forever. oh. Oh. Oh my god. what is going on. this just got way too real. no go back please Go back i wanna be in headspace eternally" genuinely i don't think i'll ever have a video game experience like i did with omori when i found out you could select "stab" and then select yourself--- first time i saw that im pretty sure i audibly went "wait i get to stab myself??????????? fucking finally dude LET'S GOOOOOOO" ...you know the phrase "art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable"? yeah i feel like it really applies with omori. it's simultaneously upsetting and comforting to me. it's me btw im the disturbed i have never felt so understood by a piece of media before. just... acknowledging suicidal ideation for what it is and how it feels. anyway im going to abruptly cut myself off here before i get carried away and write an essay on why i love/hate omori so much and start like dissecting it and shit LMAO long story short im honestly so glad and thankful that i'm terrified to join and be apart of any communities/the social side of fandoms again
It's so so sad to me because OMORI is genuinely such a beautiful game that has LITERALLY had a scientific article written about it (Trauma in OMORI's Environmental Design on Sage Journals) and is what truly spiked my interest in neuroscience It is such an incredible RPG and it's so sad to see people stripping it of that online. Like for a moment think of the science that goes into this creation,,,
well it was a great emotional game about trauma until they decided to butcher it with some generic creepypasta bullshit at the end ruining the entire thing.
@KlaireMurre I hardly think it was ruined for me personally but that's just me I can get where you're coming from lol. I saw the ending stuff and was like oh it's pulling like a classic psychological horror indie rpg yume nikki thing that makes sense, even if it's been done before. I do wonder how the ending chapter could have been handled differently.
@aramnolastname1301 literally anything besides doing some awful jeff the killer bullshit would be better. It served no purpose other than fitting into a formula for horror which is ironic in a game that is anything but formulaic for its genre. Actual dogshit and the reason I'll never replay it and I consider removing it from my steam often
23:35 thats because of the "every kel meme is canon" meme terminally online ppl came up with that meme, and fight the memers that are not aligned with their twisted ideas
Omg WHAT 😭😭 Dude i have literally never seen "every Kel meme is canon" get used like that, wtf- literally i just look at a based kel meme, quote the quote and move on- 😭✋️
i have not played the game (yet), i have never watched bossdoor before, yet for some reason i am here. i am lost in the maze that is youtube, but i am just vibing so its good
Differentiation between fantasy and reality begins development around the age of 3 on average. This community makes me think something has hampered their capability of separating fiction from reality.
I feel like this is the result of how dependent we’ve become on social media/the internet as a whole. Because we spend so much time on the internet nowadays, people have begun to be unable to separate the virtual world and the real world from one another. As such, people have begun to treat virtual world problems on the same level as real world ones, and this results in the stuff the OMORI community has done over the past couple years. The worst part is, it’s not even exclusive to the OMORI community. It seems to be endemic of any piece of media that gets popular on social media, most notably Twitter. I really hope things get better for us in this regard, because if this is how we handle minor stuff like interests in games and art, then I dread what will happen when we begin to focus on more complex subjects like politics.
Magical thinking. I have it. I think theirs a portal to the fictional world. I know there is. But as a 13 year old, this stuff shouldn’t be illegal in irl or fictionally
@@chipkidhonestly as long as the fictional characters not a literal fetus I guess I will not engage, you should know fiction from reality. then sure (?) if someone was using the art as a substitute for real kids then yeah definitely f+ci off. Get help idc 💀 I don’t like engaging with that community, content makes me uncomfortable so I just keep it going. Which is what a lot of us should do
Fandoms are the perfect example of the hedgehog dilemma. You want to get close to see all the cool fan works, but you don’t want to get too close to stay away from the toxicity.
Most people don’t know this, but the community has reached Steven universe fandom level of bad before. It’s overlooked a lot because granted, they made some racist blackface jokes, and cursed out another famous artist’s au, but they were just a damn kid. They apologized, it was okay, but people were still adamant on attacking them. I say it got Steven universe bad, because this artist tried to su1cide because of all the harassment, this minor. Luckily they’re okay now, but it really shows how far this community can get
i know who you're talking about, but are you sure they're okay? last time i checked, they're in a mental institution in Russia which isn't very good to people who have tried to commit before
People that tend to parade and make it clear that they are not a PDF file tends to be the most suspicious to me, cause they actually DO turn out to be a PDF file. Elgato is no exception to this either, especially with how much he's making it clear.
It's like the persona Fandom. You say you like Ann or Hifumi and a horde of people just call you a pedophile. Or if you romance the adults then you advocate for pedophilia because the character is 16. It's insufferable and dishonest.
It's something that terrified me for a while as an autsitc person- I didn't know the line of too much or too little, so it made me way more stressed. Am I speaking too little on it? Am I speaking too much on it? Am I too invested in telling young cosplayers "if you feel uneducated, I'm happy to provide resources and am a safe person but will NOT dive into discussion with you" or is that safe? Is it better to just dip from this community entirely? I literally didn't have the ability to find the line and that alone marked you as a target of suspicion because who doesn't know when to not talk to minors, right? Shit was bad. I left for a while and am going 18+ probably permanently tbh- I still need to work through the pOCD the community made me develope at 19 (already have OCD and intrusive thoughts, wasn't medicated for severe adhd back then either...) and it's just now starting to chill out a little bit. I just have no interest in even being friendly with the younger fandom like I wanted to anymore and it's really sad to think about... I wanted to be a "con-mom", but the frenzy over finding pdf files at the expense of real life victims of them like myself was just too traumatizing for someone who relied on online socialization back then. The line I finally found was just... don't talk to anyone below 21+ in the cosplay community- it lowkey makes me almost have a panic attack at this point if I'm having a bad day lol.
22:06 I'm a friend of this person. In fact, she received more insults and threats of murder than the tweets in the video, and even though I wrote a rebuttal to those tweets, more than a few hundred people murdered her personality. She later vented her mental pain to friends including me on Discord. There was no reason for her to suffer like this. She was just drawing and never committed to advocating for a crime. Nevertheless, the 'proud' Omori community joined in criticizing her for drew a art. Fortunately, over time she recovered. (Also funny, after that FemKel art she gained additional 1,500 followers.) But what happened at the time seems to remain hurtful in more ways than one. At the very least, fewer people will be blamed and hurt innocent if the Omori community reflects on itself, but unfortunately, they don't appear to have any intention of doing so. What a seriously shameful Community.
I'll never ever join Omori's fandom even though I'm a huge fan of the game. The community is so dog water and sensitive, I'm so embarrassed to even talk about Omori because everybody just thinks about the fandom/community instead of the game itself.
Dude, that's just every fandom. Just stay away from twitter and you're good. Every fandom has a good side and a bad one, and i have literally never seen any fandom i like's bad side because i just stay away from it. (Srs, i didn’t even know this shit until i watched this video, i usually just watched omori memes on pinterest)
God these people in the omori community are just a fraction of the entire toxic immature side of the internet that treats fictional characters like real people that are always stuck with a specific age (specially under 18) edit: maybe I worded this badly but I do not condone the bad stuffs you're thinking, I just don't like how innocent people get harassed by doing legit harmless things.
Thank you. Thank you, thank you, THANK you. I absolutely agree, not enough people call out this wretched behavior, and I'll bet many of the people who may share your thoughts are afraid to speak up because of the things you already explained. It's perfectly valid to be uncomfortable with certain types of art, but there's no way in hell anyone can know someone's real world intentions based on the art they like, and it's high time people remembered that. Honestly, calling out Elgato directly makes sense because it applies to TONS more people. This freaky mindset is everywhere now. Every fandom I join, I see it and even run into it. I was banned from a server once just for speaking up against that, and when I tried to warn the mods talking to me of the dangers of their mentality, they were already so wrapped up in their tangent that they didn't notice what I said at all. They asked me to explain myself just so they could preach. I'm constantly paranoid that someone's going to "background check" me and get me kicked out of a nice hangout space. I'm afraid to make friends through fandom because I frankly DON'T want to associate with people who would think less of me because of the art I like. I checked out that Omori Emotes server once and the mods themselves were downright nasty towards someone for having a "bad" ship in their icon. They accused the person of breaking rules that couldn't even apply to that, like their rule against "hateful conduct" or something like that. Almost any fandom server I join, I can quickly find instances of people going "what's proship?" "oh it's people supporting p//do and in//cest art" "WHAT" or "ew don't follow that artist, they ship XYZ" "oh no!" And it makes my *skin crawl* seeing so many people spew that bullshit. It's so pervasive and harmful and I hate it with SUCH a passion lmao. I won't be checking replies to this, but on the off chance someone has the question, "But isn't that what proship means?" The short answer is that "proship" was literally just the word for people who took a stand against the new trend of attacking people for "problematic" ships which became prominent (at least in its current form) in around 2015 or so. Check out Jesse Galaxie's 2 part series on it if you're curious! "Proship" was a response to "antiship", which is the obnoxiously vague name for the stuff Boss Door explained in the video. "Proship" is the default. It's logical and intuitive. "You can't determine someone's real world intentions based on art." All the arguments against this are either baseless or twisted and it pisses me off that we now need videos like this one to explain in thorough detail why the "antiship" thing is bad and wrong. Anyway, I really liked the way you conducted yourself in this video too. I enjoyed your humor, and I think it was a pretty wise move to focus on the harm of the mindset and behavior of people like Elgato rather than the targeted artwork itself, because the level of offense of a piece of art is irrelevant when we're condemning abusive behavior. Bravo!
LMAO WHAT?? SHE DIDN'T UNFOLLOW SOMEONE FAST ENOUGH?? WHO THE HELL???? 😂😂😂😂 Seriously the people that messed with STAR, TOUCH GRASS, GET A LIFE. People aren't on the internet 27 DAMN.
I left the Omori community due to horrible memes and a childish community, I still love the game but it is pretty sad that Omori deserves a better community.
Go to the Spongebob community. The show is so childish that the community is very mature. Mature franchises will always have childish fandoms and vise versa
i used to really like the OMORI community. and even now i still think it's full of some really talented people who have made some great things, but goddamn if the internet doesn't ruin everything. people in this fandom are so quick to clash and be at each other's throats with their pitchforks and torches, it's crazy. kinda hurts to see a game i really enjoy have so much toxicity in it's community, but that's just bound to happen with pretty much any game's fandom, isn't it?
I know that this happens to a lot of the fandoms, but why does it seem to be at its worst when it comes to indie games? For example, Omori and Undertale
@@drgordon9107quirky video game rpg with unique and likeable characters and a deeper narrative seems to just attract a kind of crowd. A lot tends be much younger people with, and I say this with mostly respect, a lack of skills in communicating the way emotionally powerful things make them feel. That's my theory at least.
tbf, omori is about fictional children written by an adult, made to have personality and be likeable. twitter is actual children, with underdeveloped personalities at best.
@@bossdoor I wanna say it's okay, and I guess it IS somewhat better than right after it happened. But man, don't ruin people's special interests ;_;. That game and the characters I liked were my special interest and it was poisoned and I had to throw out years and years of fanart and fanfic and stuff I made up in hopes of sort of mentally resetting everything. Also that person was someone I thought was a friend rip.
It's such a shame that so many fandoms get corrupted like this so easily, by so few people. To be honest I was lucky to miss lots of this stuff but you're the man for addressing these things and speaking genuinely. Thank you for your service to the fandom. Ignoring the safe corners, the community really IS awful... but it's less awful because of you.
Since I’m in Stauri’s discord I will say this, I definitely find the situation she found herself in unfair. She might’ve not seen what Remi nor did know what was happening at that time but getting harassed for not knowing what a person did is just a stupid reason to get called out. That being said I’m glad she found a way out of the situation and joined a more welcoming fandom and is still making art despite what happened. (Edit: Sorry if I’m not making sense, I’m not really good with words to be honest 😥)
Twitter amazing, I can say that I like cars and some idiot would say "So you like polluting the environment and running over people" they put their own words into other people's mouths and get angry at those people because of it.
I love omori so much but the community is just so.. and the sad thing is is that this happens wayyyyy too much and really happens with any fandom.. honestly someone called me a weirdo for being an omori fan bc of people like this.
It's because the people in the fandom are extremely young and either on the spectrum or terminally online. The art community atm is so awful because 13 year olds dont know the difference between content and art. They also constantly want to fight and be in every "drama". Even in the past on TUMBLR many years ago it was always young kids. But it was way more contained inside specific communities. Now they just bleed out and kids think they're being rightous and good for cancelling someone just because they're not the target audience of a specific artwork
This whole never ending drama is really funny to me. because, I follow a lot of Omori artists, and a good amount of them are Asian (Japanese, Korean, Chinese) and, like... this sort of 'shocking' problematic shipping art, similar to what Remi drew (privately and not on their own account, may I add) is MUCH MORE common, lol. In fact, this may sound hyperbolic, but I'd say most of the Eastern side of the fandom are "proshippers" by our standards, with some much more explicit than others. Some you may not even realize! They don't follow police each other, they just chill. It's just funny because one artist getting caught drawing lewd stuff is this seismic, community-shattering thing over here, but in Japan and other countries, that's just your oomfie lol. There's no dumb drama over it over there, we are always the ones that create drama with other people. Maybe it's because this game has designs and characters that are appealing to shotacon types over there, which is why it's so prevalent. That sort of subculture is not nearly as big here and often seen as illegal or evil. And also the war between proshippers and antis is just not a thing over there. Outside of western spaces, fan art of fictional characters is understood to just be fictional. Whether people even agree or like the art is irrelevant, they still understand that. You can say that art is disgusting and yeah, I mean, it's weird and not my thing.. but it's so, SO easy to just block someone and move on with your life. It takes so much effort and time to harass and fuck with people, I don't get how people do it. I guess it's just kids with way too much free time. Maybe I'm weird, because I grew up on the internet and I've seen so much awful shit throughout the years, so drawings of fictional characters just.. don't affect me? i dunno. some people act like a real child was harmed whenever they see like, a lewd drawing of Sunflower. I'm rambling now. Am I the weird one ?
Yeah the disconnect between Western and Eastern fandom culture and artistry is insane. I don't like to name names, but even some people I'm friends with have made blatantly racist generalizations about Eastern media, mostly Japan. Like, I'm sorry but treating the Western opinion on this art like it's the objectively correct one is as naïve as it is puritan.
A lot of western antis are craaaazy racist too. I've seen so many comments that went along the line of "Oh [artist who creates dead dove content] is from [country*], why am I not surprised when that place is so full of degeneracy". Just full-on making stuff up about the artist's intentions and personality and using that to paint an entire culture/country and it's population in an extremely uncharitable light, so they can gloat about how their own western nation is 'so progressive, good and Pure(tm)'. *I've seen this done to artists from China, Japan, South-Korea and Russia, but it would not surprise me if there were more countries of origin the antis have decided are just 'bad'.
i think another aspect is that in omocat's style, her kid characters and adult characters don't look super different. all her characters just look cute and super stylised. the ages of the main cast weren't revealed til well into the game either. it's just weird since nsfw drawings of more popular series like evangelion, mha, etc usually don't get this much discourse
Yes they do. I see it all the time. It’s ridiculous too, especially when you consider that a lot of these fandom’s the Time in the world goes so much lower than in the real world. So people are actually aging, and the characters aren’t. Of course they want to age them up. People can seperate reality and fiction after all,@@Aleutica
It’s western culture. Basically puritan capitalist culture. “Video games cause violence!” sort of beliefs. You are what you “eat” (consume content wise) as well. It’s also just typical ethnocentricism. I’ve seen a lot of Twitter ppl and “fans” obsess over western culture and ideals and act generally racist towards anyone who isn’t “woke”.
I remember with the Mozzaremi drama someone DMed me about someone on the Omori Before team following them and bro threatened to cancel me if I didnt do something about it lmao 💀 Anyways, its cool to see someone talking about the issues that plague thus fandom and the high horse mentality some people have in the community. Great job as always Boss Door.
Thanks, as well for tackling the elgato gaming pro thing. They almost ruined my presence because of an entire misunderstanding they put no research into calling me a "Pedo defender" when I wasnt aware of the ex requiem directors actions at all. They are the text book definition of being on a moral high ground.
these mfrs would NKT have survived ANY fandom pre 2020.... esp the older fandoms like mlp, homestuck, voltron, hetalia, naturo hell even undertale!!!!!
As an actual moderator for the OMORI discord server, I can definitely confirm the community can be crazy. I mean I'm certainly grateful to the community as it's where I met my boyfriend, but the fandom can be extremely toxic and gang up on others for no reason 🥹 like take a chill pill and go back to watching omori animation memes /j Also yes I love that Twilight Zone episode!
@@bossdoor ah, fair enough. the discord is pretty big, so people say wacky shit there all the time. it rarely goes way out of control except for certain situations which have blown out of proportion. certain users are still talked about to this day even when it's taken care of, it's crazy LMFAO
@@rjante2236when i was younger when i overcame my fear of fnaf, i like undertale, batim, and if course, fnaf. But i was unaware of it's toxicity back then. And in my teen years, I like mha, genshin, and now currently jjk. Snd it's all toxic as hell (but i was okay with demon slay they're the first anime fandom i got into and not just watch the anime and move on) I also am currently interested in hazbin hotel and helluva boss but i have never experience extreme toxicity like the other 3 fandoms i listed... Yet. Now that I'm older, i wish gotten back to being naive while enjoying being in the fandom.
its really just because everyone is gone and the only ones that were left are ones that, had questionable motives for staying its the fate of every close ended niche indie game released after 2012 at this point
thank god someone's talking about how bad this game's community is, it really does deserve to be talked about. i'm really sorry that you had to go through all of the harassment and false allegations made towards you, nobody deserves that. p.s: yeah, elgato just seems like they just hyperfixate on stuff. i don't feel like there's any need to point it out since it's so insignificant. doesn't change how horrible they are or anything else, just a small "bonus" they have (that also may or may not ruin public perception of that said media's fandom even more for some people...)
Really, I'm not really much to care. EVERY community has a bad side, it's just how the Internet is. Please, No one be downed if you watch this, People's actions should never effect your interest
You have a good point. Though, people should know how bad the bad side really is, for their own protection. You don't want to not know that you can be harassed and bullied every day from December 24th to January 6th by these people.
I feel like this is every fandom lol mainly every fandom with a twitter community they are so sensitive and act like they can control there favorite creators life’s like puppets
god i love being an adult and capable of engaging in nuance. sorry to hear you got caught in the crossfire, man. twitter and the internet in general is a cesspool a lot of the time
Is so weird but a lot of adults don't seem to like to think of nuance and engage with shit the same they would as if they were still 15 with polarized thinking issues I'm so tired of not being able to differentiate between a kid and an adult anymore over the internet, everyone acts the same between a 14 year old that thinks they got the authority and knowledge to boss people around if they tell loud enough and 26 year olds that pretend they're still clueless children and need to be told what to think to live, is honestly so exhausting...
if there's anything about being younger that i don't miss, it's 1000% not being aware that nuance exists. what's funny about twitter is that i didn't have one for the longest time, so whenever the youtubers i watched talked about twitter i was just like ":(" bc i felt like i was missing out.... Yeeeeah, uh, not anymore
What's up with the comments Btw i appreciated this drama recap from you as you are a stable member of the community and a new voice for a lot of people. Stay safe!
Sorry you had to go through all of that. 😓This feels all like a bad dream. Its sad to see a game I hold dear to my heart have such a rough community. Hopefully as a community we can grow and learn better than this! 😇
Same. I've been extremely distant from the general discourse of the fandom for a while (the only exception being that I still follow Reverie, and watch shorts made on RU-vid). Never realized things were getting so abhorrent over the years..
I had a previous take about osulan making a cowardly move, but I changed my mind after seeing the condition this community REALLY is in. Sometimes, distancing is a smart decision, and I’m proud of her keeping her mental health and self safe.
Hello Boss Door. I just want to say thank you for being a healthy part of the OMORI community. When I finished my first playthrough of omori I started watching your channel, thanks for providing us with content to continue enjoying and experiencing this game together. ❤
As much as it breaks my heart to know that this kind of thing happens in there, I also know that I would rather have people do that than bring harm to children in the real world. As much as I’ve developed an emotional attachment to all of the main characters in Omori, especially after beating the game and getting the good ending, I also know that they’re not real.
@lithium444 Now it’s the absolute opposite with suntan being the fandoms otp, and you’d think that’s good but now they bash any other ship ever including the gay ones.
@@Lizzie_-qr9pn I’d argue that sexualizing fictional minors may encourage that kind of behavior to take it to the real world but everyone’s different so it’s hard to tell. Either way I don’t think people should be posting it online for victims of SA and children to see, something like that should be kept private at the very least imo
@@Lizzie_-qr9pn I agree with you there, also I’m not sure what exactly MeatCanyon or Shadman is, but I think I’m going to keep my peace and continue not to really know LMAO
i'm nervous to watch this video because a lot of videos on these types of subjects will villainize the people who make "problematic" art and not the people who harass them over it, but the comments do give me hope, so here we go
I didn’t ever get into this game all because the fandom scared me away from it until two years later today where a video actually explained the game giving me interest to look into it I could not have gotten anywhere else. This community could have made me miss out on what this game had to offer for many more years haven’t not been for that video.
I’ve stopped being as active as I used to be in the OMORI community, not because I was fully aware of all this, but I’ve just lost my intense interest in the game (I’m more in the OSC as of currently). Anyways, I’m so happy you shedded light on this. When I was an active member of the fandom I honestly consistently felt scared of *somehow* doing something wrong, and the fandom tearing me down for it. I’m a really small creator but I know it could happen because I’ve seen it happen, to artists and even to my mutuals.
Have never heard of this game or of this controversy, but holy hell was this an entertaining video to watch. The algorithm brings us to places we didn’t know or want but will likely enjoy.
My biggest flex is that I don't ever go on twitter and I've only used if to link to my nintendo account so I can post silly things on splatoon . Other then that I don't have the app, don't log in , don't have it installed on my phone . So seeing the fact most of this toxic stuff and useless drama is from twitter is super strange .
This is actually the first bit of Omori related anything I have seen in a long while. Back in the day I use lookup videos about the game all the time because I loved hearing other peoples opinions about a game I held near and dear to my heart. I'm sorry to say that those days have long since passed. My enthusiasm for the game has sadly long since been eroded by the god awful community. Whether I was looking at fanart, videos, comics, or fanfiction. It always became just a matter of time before I would stumble face first into some accusing someone else of being a PDFile, or some other wild fabricated claim. It was just so disheartening. While Omori did touch me on a very deep personal level. The nonstop assault of toxic behavior was to much for me. But I am glad that there are some people who still enjoy this game, and have stayed strong through all the abuse that has been hurled around. Thanks for the video Boss. It made me remember a game I use to enjoy quite a lot.
Im convince man, some people just find any reason to virtually murder someone online. Mental serial killer, stay safe out there artist, rememer to block and report 🙏🏾🙏🏾
"If you're watching this because you hate me, that's okay." Me, who just found this video in recommended: *insert Thanos meme* I don't even know who you are.
Yeah this video pretty much explains why i quit social media lol. no matter how much you try to circle yourself with only good people, there will always be toxic assholes who cause drama and drastically change your online life, so getting rid of that life just makes everything better, and avoids that the online starts to affect the real life
IMO idc what you ship or what you draw in regards to fiction/fictional characters, and for a game like OMORI, which covers very dark themes, has ppl crying about dark/problematic themes. You can dislike something! It’s totally allowed! But that’s what the block/mute/unfollow button is for!!!
24:25 Raspberry was my friend and she did do a few wholesome drawings for me using my oc and my friend’s oc as well. I have to say after all the times I talked to her she didn’t do anything wrong. So seeing the omori crazies just harassing her just makes me sick to my stomach and I just can’t believe how this happened. And to my defense I personally do think all of this harassment to her is unnecessary
The game itself with its adult themes about suicide and such isn't for minors. Minors shouldn't be engaging in the Omori fandom in the first place.....
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ddITF6uuFQI.html Even this dude who lost his daughter to suicide doesn't blame the game, but blames the fact kids shouldn't have access to these games.
You reap what you sow. If you interact with adult content as a kid / teen and then get triggered it's on you lmao get karma-ed. I have zero empathy for people like u.
If you're a kid / teen and interact with adult content, you reap what you sow. Maybe kids wouldn't get triggered if they avoided things not for them. Either you're a baby and get treated as a baby and need adult supervision on everything you watch, or you're "old enough" to not need supervision and avoid things "by yourself" without someone supervising you. I avoided mature stuff as a kid / teen, you can too, and let adults have fun with crazy shit you're not ready for. lmao - I enjoy kinky stuff as an adult and I'm sick of being policed by widdle babies. Go suck your thumb and leave us alone. This is why I'm so glad I grew up in Europe and not Baby America, where in Europe you're treated as a "pre-adult" at 16 and have some legal adult rights. It gives you a taste of adulthood and responsibility for your own actions.
I was able to avoid mature things as a kid / teenager. Either you're a baby and get treated as a baby, and need adult supervision on everything you watch. Or you're "old enough" to avoid things "on your own". I'm sick of being policed by widdle babies as someone who enjoys kinky things as an adult.
I honestly think the usernames not censored in this video should remain uncensored. Based off my personal experience with OMOtwitter and people in there like suntaniscanon and Olallasbequest, they are a danger to everyone around them for their continued use of irrationality, refuse to change, and cannot be reasoned with.
As a (previous) outsider of the fandom, I never saw anything bad when Omori was recommended to me. But that’s just “my side” of the internet. I just watched my first play through of Omori and I love the game. And all I have to say about fandoms before watching this video is that every fandom has a bad (or absolutely terrible and toxic) side. It’s unavoidable unfortunately
Haven't watched the video in full yet, though I feel like it's going to be a cathartic watch, but just wanted to point out 2:00. "You're gonna learn about someone in the Omori community, so vile, so putrid and devoid of human empathy, that you'll feel safer having known about them." The intro obviously leading to the topic of witch-hunting? The specific calling out of people who are hate-watching the video just before saying this? This absolutely feels like a set-up that this supposed monster doesn't exist and that you were starting your own experimental witch-hunt. I may be completely wrong, but if I'm right I'm very proud of it, and impressed with how well you proved your stance with it. 7:20 Ok welp nevermind ig. Still a good video though. Alr, finished the video. It made some very good points and while I don't agree with everything, I at the very least am grateful that someone is stepping up and calling out this witch-hunting. The term pdf file and all the buzzwords that are being thrown around at anyone who dares do something or have an opinion deemed "problematic" is getting concerning, and it's even more concerning that this is mostly being done by children. Largely teens who probably shouldn't be on Twitter in the first place, and definitely shouldn't be dedicating so much of their lives to hating these topics, to witch-hunting, and to defending themselves against the terrifying legitimate concern that they too could be targeted as the next "danger". The adults that pilot these kids around and the community that indoctrinates them into these radicalized attacks are so much more concerning to me than anyone who draws this "not safe for the workplace" art. People need to learn to live and let be, there's infinitely more problems in the world that need addressing. Indulging in your hatred helps no one. My only solace is that this a largely just a Twitter thing. Some Reddit too but, most of the harassment is being done over Twitter. Please, I beg of anyone reading this, don't make Twitter your life, especially in fandom culture. It is the worst and most volatile place you could choose to depend upon, and there will always be people outside of that space to fall back on.
everyday im more happy because i deleted twitter back in 2021 to free up space on my phone. on a serious note, all of the things you mentioned sound like hell to go through. if i was in your situation i honestly dont know how i would deal with any of this. thank you for being genuine and constructive in the video. i had a good laugh at some of the jokes as well
Ah Elgato. I remember her. Caused a lot of annoyance in the modding community, especially towards my friends. The modding community could have it's own video on drama shit tbh. Cool vid.
fr tho, other than twitter, I do love thededication of gthe OMORI community and the amount of work and crossovers being produced, as well as the unhinged memes.
This is similiar to Undertale, where a masterpiece of a game is completely ruined by a shitty community. Claiming someone is a pdf file because of a single mistake they did or because they forgot to unfollow someone is so fucking messed up. Telling a MINOR to DIE because they made artwork you didn't like, is the worst thing I've heard of in a while.
Y’know just this past sunday I had to sit through a preacher who went on a long ass rant about how ‘They’re not hurting anyone’ was a lie and you HAVE to be a raging ass to everyone in the name of God otherwise you are lacking in faith yourself. Honestly I see a similar energy in fandom and it drives me nuts. Also I have no strong feelings one way or the other about your smile.
I'm already out of this community since 2 years, watching this, and dear lord how the heck that happen? The last time i'm in that fandom, they are still pretty chill
TRUE- Tho kinda hard when they allege you're a scammer using chatgpt for writing commissions. Try making money off writing skills after that without defending yourself, which IS feeding the trolls (apparently)
i feel like the omori fandom does really have a huge problem, people really have this one weird feeling that they think the omori cast is just a bunch of real people that should be protected at all cost, not even from "illegal" ships but from technically everything, for example someone wanted to do an event called sunflower week where people draw the ship in different ways, people got mad the moment they saw stuff like "self harm, toxic" etc even if theses stuff technically happend in the original game and the person behind it got harrassed to change it, maybe theses people in the fandom are just a bunch of people that either have no friends and cope with theses characters or just proyect themselfs too much into one of theses characters that they wanna be them so badly, so when they see the "problematic" content they feel like the content is attacking them directly rather than just being porn or gross shit, so they go out of their way to seek out this content to "fight it" and go to places where they shouldnt be like the explicit content in ao3 just to scream that theses characters are children and sending death threats to theses peoples, imo i really dont give a fuck about proshippers at all as long as they put warnings and stuff to avoid theses interactions but theses children still go out of their way just because of their weird sense of justice, hell this way of thinking is just really toxic. do theses people even go to therapy? they always talk about telling theses people to go to therapy but have they ever been in therapy? most of theses persons that i have seen really make themselfs look like psychopaths like the remi case, i have seen some people saying that it would had been better if they just starved off instead of making the art, or the tons of death threats like seriously this fandom really normalized death threats even if its to people that dont deserve it, hell people litterally send death threats because the ship age gap is like 1-2 years like i can maybe see the problem with hero/sunny or mari/aubrey but its better to just ignore this content instead of seeking it out and think of it as the second coming of satan or some shit, omori fans really need to go out and touch some grass
I kinda feel grateful for not knowing absolutely nothing about these dramas. (except for melon and omo) I just played the game, got traumatized for life and kept going.
