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On choosing kilt cloth 

Robert MacDonald, Bespoke Kiltmaker
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A quick** explanation of what you should look for when shopping for tartan cloth to be made into a kilt.
-The selvedge edge should be a proper 'kilting' selvedge and not a 'tuck' selvedge.
-It should have a sufficiently-high thread count
-the weight should be at least 16 ounces/yard.
**because the long-distance customer who asked me about this will be calling within the hour!

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@robdawson2
@robdawson2 10 месяцев назад
fascinating and great to see what good fabric looks like....
@rickmoore3730
@rickmoore3730 5 лет назад
I love your videos...bench banging and all . LOL I bought my first "entry level" cotton kilt in Aug. and was blown away by how comfortable they are . That inspired me to find my family tartan that I had long given up on having but found the Muir tartan is the one . Just ordered my first 8 yard 16 oz kilt in that tartan from a place ( reputable I think )in Barrie , Ontario and am a little apprehensive about the selvedge now . Sooooo much to learn apposed to buying a suit but it's worth it . I also took heed of how to "air" the kilt after wearing and how to roll to store . Thanks for very useful info . Best regards .
@athollmoray
@athollmoray 4 года назад
Thank you so much for this information... it helps a lot.
@koningbolo4700
@koningbolo4700 7 лет назад
Dr. MacDonald, have you ever heard of and possibly tried the "paraffine (re-)cut selvedge method" whereby some paraffine (the hi grade kind) is used to seal a (re-)cut selvedge (for instance if a kilt needed shortening) ? regards, Sander.
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
That sounds inventive, but it is NOT best-practice (or even 'suitable') for a kilt alteration. When a kilt needs to be shortened it is always done so from the top, not the bottom. Oh, and I'm not a 'doctor'.
@812guitars
@812guitars 5 лет назад
Very interesting
@straycat1674
@straycat1674 4 года назад
With the good stuff, if I wanted to get a special large table cloth made from my family tartan, does it scotch guard well to help repel stains?
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 4 года назад
I've not used 'scotchguard', but I would think so...
@James-dq3jo
@James-dq3jo 9 месяцев назад
Sounds like the more modern looms do not give you a true selvedge. Personally I’d rather pay a little extra per yard.
@williameshea
@williameshea 5 лет назад
Would you have a list of tartans, or mills, that can be trusted to be made in the better, old-fashioned way? Would all from the DC Dagleish factory qualify? Thanks.
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
Their (Dalgliesh's) 70 cm wide 16 oz. cloth (K1-74N) is top-of-the-line. They no longer make 'double-width' (140cm wide) cloth with a kilting selvedge, but rather with a 'tuck' selvedge - but this tuck selvedge edge seems far, far superior to the other stuff that I've seen. I'm going to make a kilt from it and test it to destruction, just to see 'if' and 'how much better' it stands up than that produced by other mills. I consider 11 oz cloth to be too light for use in a kilt.
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
I don't know of any other mills that make proper kilt cloth.
@SuperJhon360
@SuperJhon360 5 лет назад
What's a good mill to buy from I'm in Canada so getting my hands on cloth before I buy isn't an option all they send are little swatches
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
Well....the swatches give an idea of the relative quality of the cloth - but that's no help if they don't send a piece that includes a section of the woven selvedge edge. There may well be other mills that weave acceptable cloth but in my experience, the 16-oz cloth (product code K1/74N) woven by DC Dalgliesh Ltd/Dunsdale Mill/ Selkirk/Scotland is the best available today, and is as good or better than what has ever been available. My reputation rests on their high quality - and If they ever cease trading then I will retire from that moment.
@SuperJhon360
@SuperJhon360 5 лет назад
@@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 all they had sent was one sett of the davidson basically what you stick in your swatch book. But thank you for the list I'll have to start looking around.
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
@@SuperJhon360 If you go to their website and use their 'search' function (found on their 'custom woven fabrics' page) you'll find a list of the Davidson tartans that they have (as yet) entered into their online library. If the particular sett that you want isn't there, send them a photo of it and they WILL weave it. They don't keep physical samples of every tartan on hand.
@SuperJhon360
@SuperJhon360 5 лет назад
I want a pv kilt for day to day wear while I toss the trash around at the festival. I've been looking for the davidson in pv but it only comes in ancient. And I was wondering if you knew why this is I theorize it's because poly viscose is limited in the colors that will take to the fabric.
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
I don't know - perhaps it's only available in 'ancient' because there was a demand for it at the time?
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
You mention PV, but have you tried proper wool cloth? I'd be surprised if it wasn't superior...
@SuperJhon360
@SuperJhon360 5 лет назад
@@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 I'd like to have a pv one because I'd be working in it and I wouldn't want to ruin the wool one.
@michaelconley2896
@michaelconley2896 3 года назад
Could you produce a listing of quality wool tartan makers and or kilt companies that create 16oz to 22oz heavy weight to regimental weight?
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 3 года назад
Yes, although its' a very short list: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JMYsfMQdE3c.html
@michaelconley2896
@michaelconley2896 3 года назад
@@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 USA Kilts and Celtic Traditions mentioned they can get regimental wool in about 6 different tartans from HOE. Have you ever heard of HOE? Thank you for the resources. In regards to designing a tartan and registering it, do you know of any videos or sources that can explain the language of a tartan so than I can properly communicate the design/pattern to be used?
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 3 года назад
@@michaelconley2896 I HAVE of course heard of - and used cloth from- that source, but I was hoping that you'd 'read between the lines ' when I started that I consider Dalgliesh cloth to be the only cloth worth my while. the 22 ounce stuff made in recent years isnt anywhere near the quality of what was woven in the past - it tears FAR too easily and it doesn't press well.
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 3 года назад
@@michaelconley2896 I can't think of any 'stand-alone' references for tartan design - although I believe that Scotweb has a tartan design app - but I'll get back to you with some book titles to look for
@kevinhendryx665
@kevinhendryx665 5 лет назад
What weight is the current cloth used for military kilts? (E.g., the Royal Regiment of Scotland, or any of the Canadian Scottish units.) And why is "modern" 22 oz. material of lesser quality than the older stuff? I'd expect the army would want kilts to be as durable as possible, but also expect to be replacing them every year or so as they wore out. Maybe if they're only seen as ceremonial dress now, kilts are no longer felt to be worth worrying about as formerly.
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
I suspect that (What I regard as) the decline in quality is due to several factors - 1) the decline in use - where once soldiers "dressed for the activity in which they are engaged" I now see office-workers wearing 'field' clothing **. 2) Replacement was more affordable back when each battalion QM had it's Tailoring Cell, but no-one these days can afford a new kilt every year. 3) Lack of competition - there aren't as many mills making the stuff and thus striving to out-perform each other. 4) supply is a constant struggle between the consumer (the soldiers who wear it) and the bean-counters - who at their worst 'know the price of everything and the value of nothing.***
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
** one of my favourite trolls is to go into an Army office while wearing my Bespoke coat, knitted tie, kilt and hand-made shoes (the whole of which makes me look as tasty as can be without resorting to surgery), shooting my cuffs, adjusting my tie and saying "GODS it feels good to be dressed as an Officer and a Gentleman!" - and then I give him that head-to-heels look of pitying wonder (you left the house looking like THAT?), suppress a well-bred shudder and turn away....
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
*** I do not slander ALL support elements here - as an Infantryman I knew that battles are won by Logistics - but peacetime bureaucrats-in-uniform have my most-profound contempt.
@patrickkeller2193
@patrickkeller2193 5 лет назад
What is that black and green tartan with the red stripe you show at the beginning called?
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
That's the "Stewart Old" sett (DC Dalgleish # 592141)
@patrickkeller2193
@patrickkeller2193 5 лет назад
@@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 Thanks for the information, but it seems "Stewart Old" is the other tartan that is seen in the background. I meant the one you were handling.
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
@@patrickkeller2193 oh...right (haha) yeah...for the life of me I cannot recall. I'll have to go back through my old Order Books to see.
@patrickkeller2193
@patrickkeller2193 5 лет назад
@@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 Bummer, but thanks for replaying anway. This is an older video after all.
@patrickkeller2193
@patrickkeller2193 5 лет назад
​@@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 I think found it, it seems to be a variation on the Gunn clan tartan, the other variation being one where two of the black stripes are replaced with blue.
@johanstevens5824
@johanstevens5824 4 года назад
How would fabric woven by lochcarron compare?
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 4 года назад
Dalgliesh cloth is better. I refer you to my video on the subject.
@ichabod0391
@ichabod0391 4 года назад
What is the tartan pattern at 2:45 to 4:35?
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 4 года назад
That's 'Gordon'.
@ichabod0391
@ichabod0391 4 года назад
@@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 Thank you...!
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
and yes the constant thumping on the table is annoying and distracting.
@damonturnbull5903
@damonturnbull5903 3 года назад
No, it's not. I find it reassuring. It says "I know what I'm talking about".
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063
@robertmacdonaldbespokekilt3063 3 года назад
@@damonturnbull5903 when I watch myself as I 'lecture' I am reminded of a Revivalst preacher or some Victorian backwoods politician giving a stump speech (in fact, I believe that this mannerism is the origin of the word 'tub-thumping')
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