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On Politics and Theology: Slavoj Žižek and Cornel West in Conversation 

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Moderated by Udi Aloni, with an introduction by Kate Eichhorn, an art presentation by Yuli Aloni Primor, and music by DJ Spooky.
Why are so many essays entitled "a politico-theological treatise"? The answer is simple: Theory becomes theology when it is a subjective political engagement. As Kierkegaard once pointed out, one doesn't acquire faith in Christ after comparing different religions and choosing Christianity. The reasons to embrace Christianity are only apparent after one has become a believer. The same holds for Marxism. One doesn't become a Marxist after objectively surveying history. Instead, becoming a Marxist exposes the reasons for this philosophy. But if this is true, what is the difference between theory and theology? By extension, is an atheist theology possible? And, if so, might Slavoj Žižek, an atheist, be as much a philosopher and theologian as Cornel West, a Christian?
This event was produced by Udi Aloni and Yuli Aloni Primor.
Art by Yuli Aloni Primor.
Presented by Culture and Media at Eugene Lang College, Liberal Studies at The New School for Social Research, and the School of Undergraduate Studies at the Schools of Public Engagement.

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Комментарии : 86   
@jamalcalypse
@jamalcalypse Месяц назад
"I write in an ecological way... recycling, plagiarizing myself" LMAO
@nexusyang4832
@nexusyang4832 Месяц назад
WTF??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@crzyprplmnky
@crzyprplmnky 26 дней назад
Soooo basedddd
@nnnnsaakadamanas218
@nnnnsaakadamanas218 Месяц назад
"(Slavoj,) You are kind & gentle." - Dr Cornel West. Such wonderful, beautiful, utterly remarkable respect in this conversation. All the love in the world.
@nnnnsaakadamanas218
@nnnnsaakadamanas218 Месяц назад
A few observations on this video - you can all have them for free. !) Slavoj has found his accountability buddy (and therapist) 2) 1:21:40 slavoj sounds exactly like Carl Jung for a moment
@nnnnsaakadamanas218
@nnnnsaakadamanas218 Месяц назад
1:24:30 - i wish slavoj just suddenly started talking japanese here
@Nick-xx9br
@Nick-xx9br 8 дней назад
My god, you're right. I witnessed Zizek in an old school psychoanalysis session. I don't know who is the therapist though.
@nnnnsaakadamanas218
@nnnnsaakadamanas218 2 дня назад
@@Nick-xx9br that is the nature of quality transference
@nnnnsaakadamanas218
@nnnnsaakadamanas218 8 часов назад
@@Nick-xx9br Oh also- could you PLEASE send me that old school psychoanalysis session. I cannot seem to find it anywhere!!!
@kf8113
@kf8113 Месяц назад
Loved Cornell West's point that what really concerns us is not "evil" in itself, but catastrophe -- evil without harm would simply be an idiosyncrasy, good that harms a frustrating tragedy.
@DJK-cq2uy
@DJK-cq2uy 4 дня назад
West is on fire
@lewismilesberry1702
@lewismilesberry1702 Месяц назад
We need to get all of these talks together and make an open access box set to Zizeks talks, people will one day talk about Zizek the way he talks about Hegel and Marx.
@SimonGros
@SimonGros Месяц назад
The collection of talks as a playlist is on my channel
@nah8845
@nah8845 Месяц назад
I already do 😆 also there are some existing "Zizek studies" programs. Though, I agree with your assessment, I think as is the case for most philosophers, his thought will become more examined and (hopefully) more embraced in future generations (if there are "future generations" 😅).
@copiedoften5927
@copiedoften5927 Месяц назад
Not all intellectuals are of the same quality and Žižek is a rare earth mineral.
@discursion
@discursion 26 дней назад
Except rare earth elements aren't rare at all on Earth.
@DJK-cq2uy
@DJK-cq2uy 4 дня назад
Fat deal!! 🤪 🤪
@IngridHurwitz
@IngridHurwitz Месяц назад
Thank you. This was fantastic. I was riveted from beginning to end. Cornell West is masterful. His public political rhetoric does not reveal his scholarly depth and integrity. What I would give to work and study with him!
@Kid_Ikaris
@Kid_Ikaris Месяц назад
On the topic of Western Buddhism Zezek mentions around 50:00 it's worth noting that D.T. Suzuki the Japanese author who was Alan Watt's greatest influence (and thus the West's) had a history of trying to fit Buddhism with Imperial Japan's quest for military dominance over Asia. In other words Buddhism, despite its genuine commitment to compassion, is an ideology that can be reformed to fit dark outcomes.
@nnnnsaakadamanas218
@nnnnsaakadamanas218 8 часов назад
not necessarily that it can be reformed for that purpose, but that without/or with critical conditions, buddhism and similar belief systems will only ever achieve those dark outcomes. I feel like fundamental understanding of power / anarchist notions of justified power / marxist notions of capital are absolutely necessary to understand before 1 can head in these directions. Then there is also a sort of non-dual rejection of nondualism that is necessary. Sometimes things cannot be non-dualistic, and we must determine a dualism ourselves - otherwise we will end up sitting on the fence forever. This is imo the ultimate manifestation of nondualism, and is ofc the inherent necessary paradox in nondualism that reconciles it with itself.
@nnnnsaakadamanas218
@nnnnsaakadamanas218 8 часов назад
I do think it can be reformed for that purpose by the way, I think it just happens inadvertently first. And then it's manipulated / exploited to follow
@RobertHalsey-od8iz
@RobertHalsey-od8iz Месяц назад
Best audio for a workout… I love these two and hearing ideas.
@sophitsa79
@sophitsa79 Месяц назад
22:57 they're finally on stage
@Vrailly
@Vrailly Месяц назад
thanks for the upload
@littlesigh
@littlesigh 13 дней назад
Probably the best discussion by two of my favorite people in the world I have heard in years.
@julianbaker7935
@julianbaker7935 Месяц назад
Cornell West is a poet of the finest order. These two are so unique in their personal histories, idiosyncratic worldviews, and their very particular use of language. To me it seems clear West (who grew up in the baptist tradition) is there to posit a theologically Christian/leftist position in contrast to zizeks atheistic Christianity... Absolutely wonderful.
@CountChocula
@CountChocula Месяц назад
It’s amazing how much more coherent Zizek is when you sit him next to West
@nah8845
@nah8845 Месяц назад
Can't tell if this is a compliment for Zizek or a dig on West, or vice versa, or both 😆😆
@mitalim
@mitalim 27 дней назад
This was fantastic!
@djuramalevic9919
@djuramalevic9919 Месяц назад
My wife and I would love to go to a lecture by Zizek … actually it would be amazing … are these lectures open to the public? How do we know if there will be more lectures? And if they are open are they expensive? Any information would be appreciated… Thanks.
@mnemonija
@mnemonija Месяц назад
"How is that point connected to what we were talking about?" wins the the conversation. lol :)
@user-xj9ii4dp4t
@user-xj9ii4dp4t Месяц назад
can't go one zizek talk without this running through my mind at least once
@DamenJoost
@DamenJoost Месяц назад
I love West on the blues man... so beautiful
@user-om4wk1lo1x
@user-om4wk1lo1x Месяц назад
god bless them all
@apolloforabetterfuture4814
@apolloforabetterfuture4814 Месяц назад
I love the moderator letting Zizek and Cornel West sit next to each other
@starchiiiiild
@starchiiiiild Месяц назад
I enjoyed this
@Seanontube1
@Seanontube1 23 дня назад
Fabulous
@valardohaeriz5163
@valardohaeriz5163 Месяц назад
omg Zizek is visibly uncomfortable being so close to Cornel, it's so funny he's too introverted
@SimonGros
@SimonGros Месяц назад
That's a part of OCD
@sebastianb.1926
@sebastianb.1926 Месяц назад
Yes.
@GeorgePayroll
@GeorgePayroll Месяц назад
Woohoo! With video!
@nightoftheworld
@nightoftheworld Месяц назад
Thanks for full post of this 🙏 dream team
@mcosu1
@mcosu1 Месяц назад
Can you include the date in the description?
@evanmcarthur3067
@evanmcarthur3067 Месяц назад
The more I hear Cornel West the more I think he is extremely clever and wise.
@MomentsGap
@MomentsGap Месяц назад
When did this talk happen?
@billmao5040
@billmao5040 29 дней назад
in 2024, for sure.
@mark-ic7od
@mark-ic7od 25 дней назад
When was this recorded?
@victormattina7084
@victormattina7084 Месяц назад
a wind blows through the room and it seems to be saying "marcuuuuuse"
@SlobodanMiletic
@SlobodanMiletic Месяц назад
What a mind Žižek is!
@drrbrt
@drrbrt Месяц назад
Theologically, Mammon is what Jesus called Capitalism. Jesus only made one dichotomous statement, you cannot serve both God and Mammon. He only gave one criteria of righteousness for nations, and that, as spelled out in the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats, is how that nation system treats the poor and oppressed.
@valardohaeriz5163
@valardohaeriz5163 Месяц назад
Some also equates Moloch to capitalism
@bobmarley8709
@bobmarley8709 Месяц назад
I agree but to an extant. Capitalism is what characterizes this moment-this historical epoch-but it is Mammon is deeply universal: as a moment or collection of moments, where dominance and lust, takes its form in greed and wealth, in a way the reproduces the dominance, and thus injustice, exerted upon the sufferer.
@bobmarley8709
@bobmarley8709 Месяц назад
Capitalism hadn’t existed, in our modern arrangement perhaps, throughout time indefinitely, and its continued existence is contingent, but dominance, especially in the method which I’ve described is not limited to a capitalist status quo.
@valardohaeriz5163
@valardohaeriz5163 Месяц назад
@@bobmarley8709 The extent of the damage is singularly attributable to capitalism though. Like saying war exist throughout human history, but world ending wars is singularly attributable to nuclear weapons.
@bobmarley8709
@bobmarley8709 Месяц назад
@@valardohaeriz5163 Sure, the conceivable damage relative to the status quo is attributable to capitalism, but capitalism is not a historical inevitability, it is a byproduct of historically contingent meanings, that emerge and have thus given way to capitalism.
@zamplify
@zamplify 27 дней назад
[Zizek rambles for 5 minutes] Dr. West: OK but how does that connect to what we were talking about?
@dk5610
@dk5610 Месяц назад
love cornel west!
@nah8845
@nah8845 Месяц назад
IDC what happens Cornell West IS MY POTUS! Omg, could you even imagine how much better it would be???? It's almost unfathomable. Also as a student of Zizek, there is nothing that brings me greater joy than having these legitimate TITANS of intellect in conversation with one another. Absolutely brilliant, I love them both so much. Powerful.
@celestialroad
@celestialroad 29 дней назад
1:33:47 "slavoj, you have one minute" "less"
@sderoski1
@sderoski1 Месяц назад
God, in the story is a powerful person, and is like a cat who enjoys torturing the mouse, Job. Compassionate and empathetic people have a hard time understanding that sadistic people are common and often find their place in power.
@sderoski1
@sderoski1 Месяц назад
The idea of god as an old guy who will take care of us is alive and well in the US presidential campaign of 2024.
@fhinq2776
@fhinq2776 Месяц назад
1:22:31 was so cute 😮🥹😌
@thomaspollack7451
@thomaspollack7451 29 дней назад
@1:44:20
@Okradokra
@Okradokra Месяц назад
Talk @ 23
@Okradokra
@Okradokra Месяц назад
Yikes, lost some folks with the Andy Warhol comparison at the end
@deannormanashleygarrido3469
@deannormanashleygarrido3469 Месяц назад
27
@sderoski1
@sderoski1 Месяц назад
The most popular dogma/religion in the world that allows everyday humans to co-exist with catastrophe is football/soccer.
@sderoski1
@sderoski1 Месяц назад
In politics and sports, people love it when their side wins, even if they cheat.
@DJK-cq2uy
@DJK-cq2uy 4 дня назад
Wow. I couldn't wait to hear your opinion. Thanks Poindexter
@alix6145
@alix6145 Месяц назад
20 minutes of introduction. I loved the words on Palestine and I’d recommend listening to it but for those wanting to get to the meat, so you know. Much respect all these people. Love you, Free Palestine!
@efeocampo
@efeocampo Месяц назад
The Multiverse (only hypotesis that can explain everything) is Eternal and Infinite and ultimately the true, unavoidable, only "God" as the Only Source of everything that exists or we believe exists ! Not an extremely low level, imperfect, human-like "God", a human Concept, "Creator" of imperfect things. A Multiverse (Set of Universes) remains a SINGLE UNIVERSE composed of multiple universes (like ours, which could be inside a Black Hole - who can prove otherwise? -), ETERNAL and INFINITE that is continuously TRANSFORMING or evolving and manifests itself in many, infinite different ways, whatever they are called or perceived by us: Human Beings, Animals, Rocks, Water, Fire, Air, Planets, Asteroids, Suns, Stars, Galaxies, Clusters (of Galaxies), Quasars, Black Holes, Dark Energy, Dark Matter, Singularities, etc... The Universe or Multiverse only transforms: It is PURE ENERGY... Remember Einstein's proven equation: E = mc2, which shows that E, Energy, is the same as mass (or what we believe or perceive as "solid" matter) multiplied by the square of the speed of light, a very large number. Or put another way, what we believe to be "matter", what we can "touch" is actually PURE ENERGY somehow interconnected with the rest of the Universe or Multiverse. If you think you can "touch" matter, use an ever increasingly powerful microscope: Body, cells, molecules, atoms... And do you think you can see or "touch" an atom? NO ! It has subparticles: Electrons, protons, neutrons... And do you think you can see or "touch" them? NO ! They in turn include other quantum untouchable "particles" that are elusive... because they are PURE ENERGY! Ask the scientists of CERN Accelerator in Switzerland... It is impossible to prove it because it is and will be far beyond our limited intellectual and technological capabilities, but it does not make sense that the Multiverse or God, however you prefer to imagine it has a Beginning or an End in time... or any physical LIMIT. What can lie BEYOND the "physical limit" of the Multiverse? Well, ANOTHER Universe or type of Universe. That is, we would be facing a new Multiverse. And what could have existed BEFORE the BIG BANG? Well, another Universe or Multiverse... And once ours cools down (which is what is happening with ALL the stars burning their limited nuclear energy source) and perhaps it WILL COLLAPSE into a SINGULARITY or Black Hole and then maybe (Who could prove it or refute it?) give rise to another "Big Bang". That is, our Universe is... ETERNAL And most importantly: That Universe or Multiverse is... GOD or "Creator" of everything we observe! A God who does not reward, punish, monitor or "prefer" anyone. "He" does not condemn anyone to suffer eternally in "hell" (which does not exist!). A God not concerned about anyone, much less these imperfect human beings, absolutely insignificant: INSIGNIFICANT for the Earth, in turn insignificant for the Solar System, this one for the Milky Way Galaxy, totally insignificant for a Cluster of Galaxies, and this Cluster, insignificant for the known Universe and perhaps for a Multiverse, which is the most likely "thing" that exists. So, forget all those fears or feelings of "guilt" (of WHAT?) that you learned or were brainwashed since you were a child, convince yourself there is NO afterlife (where to?) because all of our cells DIE and desintegrate into dispersed molecules and then "atoms" that eventually will disperse randomly and help create, combined with others, new stars that will in turn "die", collapse and explode as super novas releasing new atoms to create new stars...and... ENJOY your LIFE... or "delusion" of life... or whatever it is...👍 !
@TheGinglymus
@TheGinglymus Месяц назад
Cornell West seems like a lovely person but when he's speaking it just feels like lots of random statements without any coherent meaning.
@happygucci5094
@happygucci5094 Месяц назад
Yet Dizek is clear? Maybe you just don’t have the cultural knowledge to understand Dr West’s hypotaxic vision or cultural reference or overall framework/ it could be that
@radscorpion8
@radscorpion8 Месяц назад
@@happygucci5094 honestly I do get the same impression. The whole introductory monologue was confusing and vague. As near as I could tell he said we keep ourselves occupied with comedy because the real world is painful, but also, lets learn lessons from Marxism and feminism on how to resolve those issues. What lessons? He doesn't specify. And not really clear how this fits in with the overall topic of discussion. Also he regularly engages in highly dramatic speech where he doesn't actually make any point, but just tries to deliver a message in as emotionally charged a manner as possible, which is both distracting and tiresome. Yet with Zizek, while he is absolutely confusing sometimes, I actually understand what he's saying, and at the end of the day I feel like I learned something. And isn't overly dramatizing what he says either. I think there are better philosophers than Zizek too, but he at least is funny and makes decent points once in a while. This has nothing to do with cultural knowledge. This is a public forum. Its designed to be understood by the general public.
@onatone
@onatone Месяц назад
He just speaks with flowery language not at all hard to follow.
@Tawahaj
@Tawahaj 28 дней назад
I didn't get anything out of him in the first half. That was just a lot of dramatic rambling. Only form, no substance. Later he becomes a little bit more coherent though. He is lovely, eloquent, charismatic - a better speaker than a thinker.
@DJK-cq2uy
@DJK-cq2uy 4 дня назад
No $4!+ given...listen to someone else
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 Месяц назад
Love West, but thank god he will never hold any political office. His views on subjects he knows little about are just that, pedestrian😅
@arminsafavi8304
@arminsafavi8304 11 дней назад
What's up with Zizek's tongue. He also seems to sniff less. Is he on some kind of medication?
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 Месяц назад
I've held West in high regard (Zizek in much higher even), but him crediting Finkelstein's "work" shows a failure in understanding, scholarship and reading character. Norman is something like an Al Sharpton in his field. An utter buffoon with massive arrogance and a sense of self-importance that clouds every word they say and write.
@thedivinenames3325
@thedivinenames3325 Месяц назад
I wish Zizek listened to West more attentively. He is only half-listening.
@Wingedmagician
@Wingedmagician Месяц назад
half-believing?
@grivza
@grivza 29 дней назад
I think that's because he is trying to appear comfortable in a situation that he clearly doesn't like; being so close to West. Thinking about less immediate things presupposes a level of relaxation. So Zizek trying to appear to be thinking about other things is his way of denying that his thoughts are being constantly intruded by sentiments like "Oh he is too close to me, what do I do if he touches me, makes intense eye contact" etc.
@discursion
@discursion 26 дней назад
Maaan, the tone is way too dramatic (except for Zizek), I'm having trouble hearing the words and their meaning.
@user-cf4fc6pq4x
@user-cf4fc6pq4x 29 дней назад
Philosophers became comedians. There are no thoughts or ideas, but there is a desire to make the audience laugh.
@sderoski1
@sderoski1 Месяц назад
Look at the body language 1:12 where West puts his hands on Žižek who tries to distance himself from West physically trying to dominate him, vis a vis primate dominance behavior.
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