On the difference between observing and thinking about oneself | J. Krishnamurti 

i am from algeria too well let s get in touch since talking about this stuff here makes you crazy

Thanks for the comment. Marhba and let's be in touch.

@@inout7949 my fb : is hercules napoleon

the world would turn to an Apocalypse. itbound to happen

Yes, a quote from an unknown author, “When we teach others, we teach ourselves!”

Do you think so? What about writing a comment 😅

Ok what about writing comment?😁😁😂😂😂

🤣 you got me!

Only writing not even a comment is higher. The non-doingness of so-being.

I only scroll at the end

I agree....he's overcome himself literelly

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I was reading your comment and the video was playing above and my 5 year old son asked me who is he or is it she? Observe I guess..

Enlightened ones don't have any gender

How do you know all this?

@@mayankchaturvedi570 i got to know through life and I became interested what is pain, what is sadness, what is happiness and what is misery.why sadness and dull empty feeling is not leaving me even i am doing all good things, so all things what is said or told became fail to answer this simple question. I became sick of logic mind , because doing good things and morally right things did not take my sadness away. I never practice any method or followed any guru, because even at that time I did not know what was enlightenment or nirvana . I just heard these words as like some religious words. I just followed some voice inside of me. Because first question came from it then I started to listen this unknown language.This unknown language is great guider and true teacher. i did not chase enlightenment because I had no knowledge about it .When a true teacher appears inside you then why to worry about enlightenment. We never ask a true question, so true teacher never appears.Mostly people demand for something or trying to get rid from something.

its good to see someone who really gets it

@@nilTheyogi 🙏

Epic, thanks! I wrote this a few days ago, I think you'd probably dig, it's the same dialogue ✌ CONSIDERING THOUGHT, TIME, EMPTINESS What lies beyond thought? Do you wonder? Are YOU your thoughts? Can we go into these matters? Who are you? Really, if I said show yourself to me, what would you offer up? In order to begin to answer these questions, we must first observe inwardly the 'goings on'. We must examine how we observe and process experiences. We must examine our thoughts and the processes of the mind. Truthfully, there can be no progress until we are seeing clearly, what actually is. What is? If you observe a thing, the mind is conditioned to immediately name it and categorize it. In an unceasing effort to make sense of the world to ourselves, our minds are conditioned into this way of thinking. Immediately, thoughts rush in to compare, identify, etc. but these pre-conceived notions serve only to distort the truth of what is there. So the question becomes, how do I observe without any thought or precondition? Do you follow? Time, psychological time to be clear, is a product of thought. We exist, actually, in an ever continuing present. The notion of past and future are byproducts of thought. Try to understand that time exists only as a byproduct of thought. That when there is no thought, there is no time. When the mind is free from thought and temporal conditioning, it can rest easily in the present. We are all addicted to thinking. The constant barrage of information and the constant acceleration of society is absolutely counter to being able to observe clearly, not only the world, but yourself. So let's revisit the question, who are you? If you are not your thoughts, then who are you? What lies beyond thought? Quite obviously, if you stop thinking, you don't just cease to exist, right? So why are we addicted to thinking? This arises from identifying the self image with you, with identifying your thoughts as you and continually reinforced by the society we have created. That we say 'I' want this and 'I' want that, and 'I'm' not happy and 'I' desire, etc., etc. We've created a society based upon the worship of the ego, this perceived self image. A society built around pleasure. Externally we've all but mastered the world, but internally we are still petty, aggressive, fearful, sorrowful and ALL carry a nagging sense that this all isn't right. That truly, it's all illusory. That the things we are chasing, our behaviors, frankly, the way we even build esteem, etc. are derived from a conditioned world view that imprisons us all. Conditioned by culture, by religion, by nationality, by tradition. So it becomes OVERLY important to dissolve the conditioning first. To look at ANY matter with a sharp intellect, fresh, not conditioned by previous experiences not obstructed by thought. Do you see? So if one looks at a flower. The observer is static, the flower is static and any thought I have during that observation creates an interval of time. If one looks at the flower with no preconception and no thought, then as we spoke about earlier, there is no interval of time because there is no thought. Then the observer becomes the observed, you see? There is only one thing, no interval! Right? So the question simply becomes how does one stop thought, right? First we must agree that there is, that which lies beyond thought. That if we are not our thoughts, that there is a greater underlying all encompassing thing, maybe the absolute mind (although the word absolute carries some heavy preconception). Let's say the mind that exists beyond thought. The ever present mind. What is it? These are areas where words will sully the ability to comprehend. This is where the paradox shows itself, put simply and directly, where less becomes more. So we've examined that thought produces time, time is root of ALL fear. Ie. The thing happened in the past, we're afraid it's going to happen in the future, presently creating an anxious state. So in the present, the only thing that is real, we're blocked by this constant anxiety, all again, derived from the image of self. One must examine closely, that the whole affair is just being played out by the trickery of the ego. That we've become so deeply invested in that image that we'll defend it! Would you be ok to wake up tomorrow and have forgotten yourself, entirely? We should welcome this, and please not forgetting the entirety of our sum experience in a puritanical sense, but eliminating the illusion that has been self created, you follow? We live in a world that has never, in all of history been more divided. Those divisions are the prisons of the mind, you must accept this. The idealistic idea of a better world, loving society starts within ourselves, plain and simple. We must bring about a mutation in the mind, in consciousness and thinking. These are the only methods that will effect change and allow us to begin to truly see what is. The first step is to listen. Listen to your thoughts and examine your thinking process. So the discussion isn't about any method, any dogmatic practice, any ritual right? That there is no guru or teacher here, only YOU, the product of years of evolution of mankind, right? Where there is authority, there is a block. One must look within to begin to discover what really is. Therein lies the real truth of it all, where you become the entirety of the universe. Take great care in approaching these things, they CANNOT be found or achieved through concentration, effort or motive. This can be the single most challenging and perplexing part of 'IT' all. That's a very difficult thing to understand for us, our ENTIRE existence thus far is predicated on this principle of motivation. Just as stopping thoughts has a similar trap. Forcing that is like trying to use an oar to flatten ripples in the water, or trying to catch a burglar by chasing through the house banging a pot, it just creates more commotion. Similarly, trying to get rid of desire, is just another desire.... you see? All these types of methods just impede progress and impose a block at the first step. The is no profit, no reward or great satisfaction as we know it, in this particular journey inward. Let us all stop running away from ourselves! Let's openly engage in this dialogue, let's see if we can muster the immense discipline required to truly do this work. Belief has no place where truth is concerned. With love and compassion, J

absolutely, love and light.

Choice lees observation

One way of Refractive double sense,

'...eyes don't wanna see...', no: seeing SEES - memory WANTS.

so beautiful. of course beautiful is just a word... but nevertheless...

Very nicely said said🙏

Nothing is time less no time Except one ☝️ who is there

Code Rag very good you are correct in that sense thanks

Abhi Shek you cant if you think you cant

@Abhi Shek "I can't Observe without words poping in my mind" That's your assumption, which is based on the fact that you identify too much with your thoughts. The fact is, over 90% of your thoughts are not really YOUR thoughts. They come either from the subconscious or emotional responses. If you get angry for example, you can observe yourself getting angry. It happened to me once and it was quite an experience, I felt that my mind was split in two. This taught me the dualistic nature of the mind: there is Ego, and there is Consciousness. The vast majority of people identify with their ego. You have to become aware that the Ego is illusory.

@@afterburner8083 And so is you physical body, but you still have to nurture it with illusory food and illusiory exercise.

@@bigfletch8 "Reality is an illusion, albeit a persistent one" -Albert Einstein

please can you help me how to put it into practice

@@jasdm Not sure if this helps. Pay attention to assumptions. Be willing to be vulnerable. But at same time be aware of risk. Words are needed to describe in a relationship. Enjoy. Love.

Just try to deeply concentrate in the moment , nothing else , is important to think about nothing , just observe. For me the most important is to observe your self and your own actions , breathing etc... Good luck my friend , it really can bring you a lot of joy!

@@jasdm IDK if it helps but I watched one video it said when ur brain starts to form words about something just don't answer to that & let it say... If u don't react to it, the brain will slowly stop using words & at that time u will just watch or observe. 😊

Words is thinking; do to the way the mind loves to name things? To observe is to not think what is being observed

Who needs IKEA when the world is yours to chair? But who's left holding the shares when the chair shares its value with everything else? And what's the chairman to do when he's lost his seat in the game of defining chairs?

Existence being humours

I think it's a very valid reminder to make

Batman is here, dont worry

If you have drawn the msg, you have not understood.

What we call the Truth itself is contradictory. Once you define something as being the true, you’ve confined it to what’s known now. The truth presents itself all that time. It’s almost like trying to grab the water with your bare hands. Water will just flow throughout your fingers, just so as the truth would.

I don't believe forgotten but actually we never learned because we were born into a conditioned disordered world/mind which we had to conform to, to survive. It is dying to this conditioned state or false reality that sets us free, letting go of our attachments beliefs fear images etc.

So by observer you mean dont answer thoughts and giving them more energy? Cuz they fire automatically, repeatedly sometimes uninvited, un-announced and on blast some are rated R and some should not be discussed publicly 😅

Thank you.

I appreciate it!

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Thank you ❤

Vijay Karthik Why have you just repeated what Krishnamurti was saying

You our that being

Not necessarily. I can observe you over time. I can think about you and make an instant assessment. It depends.

Precisely. Priceless!

My friend time is not illusions. Everything you do and don't are shaped by time. You existing by time. You are evolution of time. Time is everything.

@@greathope6433 All the world history we've ever had are recorded "nows" even your own past is "past nows" so the only tangible now is the now "now". i hope you get this, read more.

Nativeson, That was an absolutely brilliant catch. Many many thanks for sharing your insight. I understood yr point.👏👏 Yasin ibrahim who commented on yr post did not understand yr post. But allow me to elaborate on yr point. West had traditionally a linear worldview where everything has a specific starting point & a specific ending point and "arrow of time" connecting the two. But the Indian culture from which this speaker originates has traditionally a cyclic worldview. Which is eternal & no starting or ending points either. It transcends space-time paradigm.

@@dharmashekhar1047 Those world view of counting nows both linear and yuga are irrelevant, they are just like simple calander programs that you install on your computer. If you hadn't learn them you simply wouldn't know they exist because in reality they dont that is what he means by illusion. But you can leave the worldview of time. You dont have to live your life inside this programs, by clicking close the program by being in the now. And for that to happen you must stay with the witness that 3rd self of yours that sees the object and subject at the same time. You must find it and nurture its growth so you close the program all day.

@@native2704 my brother, you are living on earth so you restricted by time and space.

If you force wordlessness, yes

Thinking without words is also possible, its still language but in form of feelings that comes before words regardless, but we are unaware. Whole sentences at once, highly efficient.

You are on the right path mate have you heard about Zen meditation?

Read power of now book. U will understand it easily

Telling him simple Or legend is also disrespect,

Yes they should teach his wisdom in schools, unfortunately it is not in the vested interest or the bottom line, how foolish. On the whole I believe his/our messages will increase gaining traction, I believe it’s the only way real change can occur because it’s the way real change in “myself” occurred, basically through gaining self knowledge, that simple.