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On the fifth root of the identity matrix. 

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@descuddlebat
@descuddlebat Год назад
10:08 "so, we also know that 1+1=2" finally, a part that I understood
@SuperYoonHo
@SuperYoonHo Год назад
me too:)
@lexinwonderland5741
@lexinwonderland5741 Год назад
I'm not usually a golden ratio nerd, but the fact that he didn't write them in terms of phi at the end drove me INSANE
@candamir26
@candamir26 Год назад
Where exactly do you see a golden ratio? I think you are mistaken.
@franciscomorilla9559
@franciscomorilla9559 Год назад
@@candamir26 In the second case, a=(sqrt(5)-3)/2=φ-2, where φ is the golden ratio; also b=sqrt(3-φ). The third case is similar
@MathFromAlphaToOmega
@MathFromAlphaToOmega Год назад
One cool application of this is that you can use it to find functions of the form f(x)=(ax+b)/(cx+d) whose fifth power is the identity.
@lexinwonderland5741
@lexinwonderland5741 Год назад
Wooooo modular forms!
@DanGRV
@DanGRV Год назад
I think it should be the function applied five times instead of its fifth power: f(f(f(f(f(x))))) = x
@robertmines5577
@robertmines5577 Год назад
Is this because that function is a Mobius Transform?
@DanGRV
@DanGRV Год назад
@@robertmines5577 Yes
@user-jc2lz6jb2e
@user-jc2lz6jb2e Год назад
Quick guess: The golden ratio shows up
@user-nb6zu3rk4f
@user-nb6zu3rk4f Год назад
Quick guess: roots of unity show up
@Alex_Deam
@Alex_Deam Год назад
Quick guess: identity matrix shows up
@Numbabu
@Numbabu Год назад
Yeah if I had to guess I would say there is probably some math
@gon8330
@gon8330 Год назад
@@Numbabu don’t Jump to quick conclusions here
@davidgillies620
@davidgillies620 Год назад
Those matrices are in SL(2, R). That group has interesting properties that might merit a video.
@humbertonajera6561
@humbertonajera6561 Год назад
Thanks!
@JO-fs1on
@JO-fs1on Год назад
For once I'm not sure it was the best place to stop for the following reason. People who don't know linear algebra that well could end up thinking along the lines of "oh we were looking for fifth roots of the identity matrix and we ended up with 5 solutions so matrix are like complex numbers". I would have prefered if you had just commented on the fact that you found 5 solutions because you were looking at a very specific type of solutions and that in general, the equation A^5=I has infinitely many solutions.
@pietergeerkens6324
@pietergeerkens6324 Год назад
Yes; this is an important, even if subtle, point.
@marcushendriksen8415
@marcushendriksen8415 Год назад
Oh my god there's another channel??? With even more learning material? You are too good to us 🤩
@jonasgajdosikas1125
@jonasgajdosikas1125 Год назад
I miss the times when the right after "that's a good place to stop" the video would cut
@philstubblefield
@philstubblefield Год назад
I was just about to type the same comment! I'm happy that he's advertising his other channels more actively, but the old, abrupt cut is nostalgic!
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 6 месяцев назад
Me too. Logically it points out that "good place to stop" may not mean the best place to stop
@pseudorandomly
@pseudorandomly Год назад
I really enjoy these videos, as a long-time-ago math major. But (and this is trivial, I know) I miss the trick of knocking on the chalkboard to update for the next section of calculations.
@lexinwonderland5741
@lexinwonderland5741 Год назад
Same, haha, I love Dr. Penn's videos regardless but there was something wonderful about that little trick. Still, I love his content and the quality has been consistently wonderful overall!
@victorcossio
@victorcossio Год назад
And the back flip
@lexinwonderland5741
@lexinwonderland5741 Год назад
@@victorcossio he did have an ab shot tho
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 Год назад
14:29
@jceepf
@jceepf Год назад
To answer Vinvic1: The general solution can be written as M=ARA^(-1) where R is a rotation of k*2*pi/5. The choice of A actually has only 2 free parameters since A can vary by a dilation. (rotation time scaling). In fact M_11= cos(mu)+a*sin(mu) ,M_22= cos(mu)-a*sin(mu) , M_12=b sin(mu) and M_21=-g sin(mu) where mu = k*2*pi/5 and 1+a^2=bg. That is the general solution of the problem M^5=Identity. You can easily compute a,b,g using M=ARA^(-1) . You can write M as cos(mu)* Identity + sin(mu) B where the matrix B=(a b// -g -a) . Identity and B form a representation of the complex numbers since B^2=-Identity. In fact, in general for any angle mu, M^n= cos(N mu)* Identity + sin(N mu) B = exp(N mu B) . Euler's formula!!!!!!!!!!
@lexinwonderland5741
@lexinwonderland5741 Год назад
WHOA that's a great connection!!
@NotoriousSRG
@NotoriousSRG Год назад
The lemma in this video is absolutely beautiful and I’m mad I didn’t encounter it in school.
@johns.8246
@johns.8246 Год назад
Yup, I didn't learn any of this in my linear algebra class outside of finding eigenvalues. How many solutions are there for X^5=I in general? Or X^2=I for that matter?
@TheEternalVortex42
@TheEternalVortex42 Год назад
In general there are infinity many solutions. For example consider that if A^5 = I then we can take any PQ s.t. PQ = QP = I and then (PAQ)^5 = I as well.
@jimskea224
@jimskea224 Год назад
Since the det=1, b²=1-a and it's easy to set up A³ = A^{-2} . It's pretty quick but not very insightful, however.
@jonathandawson3091
@jonathandawson3091 Месяц назад
It becomes very simple when you realise i is really (0, 1; -1, 0). Then you just write down all 5th roots, i.e. e^(i t) where t = 2 pi k / 5.
@SuperYoonHo
@SuperYoonHo Год назад
Thanks:)!
@edwardlulofs444
@edwardlulofs444 Год назад
I've never done that exercise, thanks.
@matanah1989
@matanah1989 Год назад
it's all assuming A (the "5th root" matrix) is diagonalizable, so A = PDP^-1 and A^5 = PD^nP^-1 and in order to be equal to I, A^5 must have in particular the same eigenvalues, i.e. D^5 = I (which means λi^5 = 1) what if it's not? then this decomposition is not valid and you cannot use it. is it any lemma like "rausing non-diagonalizable matrix to a power results in non-diagonalizable matrix" or something like that? let's elaborate. p_A(x) = (a-x)(1-x) + b^2 = x^2 -(a+1) + a + b^2 if discriminant !=0 there will be 2 distinct roots (either real or complex) each of them with geometric multiplicity of 1, together 2, and the matrix will be diagonalizable. equating discriminant to 0, (a+1)^2 - 4(a+b^2) = 0 we get b^2 =set ((a+1)^2 - 4a)/4 = (a-1)^2 / 4 so b = +- |a-1| / 2 = +- (a-1) / 2 so A is [a , (a-1) / 2] [-(a-1) / 2, 1 ] in this case the only eigenvalue is x=(a+1)/2 and it's easy to see that the geometric mult. is 1 because the resulting matrix (A-xI) is [a-(a+1)/2, (a-1) / 2] [-(a-1) / 2, 1-(a+1)/2] simplified [(a-1)/2, (a-1)/2] [-(a-1) / 2, -(a-1)/2] which is clearly not the zero matrix for any a!=1. (in case a=1 the original is the identity, one of your solutions) another simple case is when a=-1 so the eigenvalue (a+1)/2 = 0, A is singular and no power will get it to be a regular matrix such as the identity. what about other cases? so A is non-singular but not diagonalizable and we can't use the A^n = PD^nP^-1 formula thus cannot calculate using the eigenvalues. maybe there are such whose 5th power is the identity?
@cmilkau
@cmilkau Год назад
That 1 on the main diagonal throws me off. Put an a there and suddenly it's just about complex number roots.
@thomashoffmann8857
@thomashoffmann8857 Год назад
Shouldn't the results be verified? The implications only went to one direction. Thus we might have to show that the found numbers indeed solve the original problem. E. G. If matrix is the same, then eigenvalues are the same but it doesn't work in the reverse direction.
@AlcyonEldara
@AlcyonEldara Год назад
Without anything else, yes. But: 1) We have a diagonalizable matrix (the two eigenvalues are different) 2) A power of a diagonalizable matrix is a diagonalizable matrix 3) The only diagonalizable matrix with all eigenvalues equal to 1 is the identity matrix
@thomashoffmann8857
@thomashoffmann8857 Год назад
@@AlcyonEldara I agree in this case with the diagonal matrix solution. The other solutions have b0 and are not diagonal.
@eliavrad2845
@eliavrad2845 Год назад
It remind me of the idea of the Parity operator as the square root of the identity P f(x) = f(-x) ==> P^2 f(x) = I f(x) =f(x), whose eigenvectors are the symmetric and anti-symmetric functions with +/-1 as the eigenvalues. I tried analyzing the Fourier transform as a quartic root of unity (since F^2 = P), so it has eigenvalues of 1,i,-1,-i, but I wasn't able to get a nice sense of what do the eigenvector functions mean, or what is the cubic root of unity in this family: I know there is a complicated formula for the fractional Fourier transform, so I'm now wondering "what's so special about this family of roots of unity" and if there's a sort of "generator" for them by taking a limit of an epsilon fractional transform.
@SQRTime
@SQRTime Год назад
Hi Eliav. If you are into problems from math competitions, our channel can be something you enjoy. Hope it helps. One sample video Solving a nice trigonometry problem ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jUb_IYCCVpA.html
@TVWJ
@TVWJ Год назад
Just wondering why the concept of complex conjugates was not used. If lambda(1)*lambda(2) must be a real number, this means that these are complex conjugates. Later on, when finding the fifth roots, it basically mean that only pairs with +/- the same argument come into play.
@1089S
@1089S Год назад
This implies that the firth root of the identity could also be: [1 b; -b a]. So how many root are there?
@wjrasmussen666
@wjrasmussen666 Год назад
Love mathmajor!
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 6 месяцев назад
Instantly, one solution must be (a,b) = 1,0 😊 Obvs there are more solutions. Like maybe another four, just at a guess...
@henrikr8183
@henrikr8183 Год назад
Next show that those matrices form a representation of unit complex numbers
@gibbogle
@gibbogle Год назад
Nice!
@SQRTime
@SQRTime Год назад
Hi Gib. If you are into problems from math competitions, our channel can be something you enjoy. Hope it helps. One sample video Solving a nice trigonometry problem ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jUb_IYCCVpA.html
@the11060
@the11060 Год назад
Guess roots of unity
@egillandersson1780
@egillandersson1780 Год назад
Great !
@hexeddecimals
@hexeddecimals Год назад
I heard you like getting viewer suggested problems, so here is one I finished solving just the other day! Given a natural number n, find m such that the line y=2nx forms an angle bisector between the lines y=nx and y=mx
@fix5072
@fix5072 Год назад
This might be a bit too easy. We know 2n=(n+m)/2, therefore m=3n
@hexeddecimals
@hexeddecimals Год назад
@@fix5072 the average of two lines does not produce an angle bisector of those two lines. For example, the average of 3x and 1x is 2x, but the angle of 2x (63.43°) is not the average of the angles of 3x and 1x (85.28°) I used degrees just to show the disparity between the angles.
@fix5072
@fix5072 Год назад
@@hexeddecimals you're right
@fix5072
@fix5072 Год назад
@@hexeddecimals maybe like this: the angle of a line is arctan(m) where y=mx. Then arctan(2n)-arctan(n)=arctan(m)-arctan(2n) -> 2arctan(2n)-arctan(n)=arctan(m) Now apply tan to both sides and use tan properties to get m=4n^3+3n
@hexeddecimals
@hexeddecimals Год назад
@@fix5072 "use tan properties" is doing a lot of work there, but yes that's correct!
@krisbrandenberger544
@krisbrandenberger544 Год назад
So in general, the trace of the n x n identity matrix is n.
@tolkienfan1972
@tolkienfan1972 Год назад
Normally we arrange eigenvalues in order of magnitude
@tolkienfan1972
@tolkienfan1972 Год назад
Also, is Fibonacci around here somewhere?
@vinvic1578
@vinvic1578 Год назад
Why was the problem set up with this antisymmetric matrix with one coefficient already known ? Is the general case not solvable ?
@jceepf
@jceepf Год назад
In accelerator physics, we have the general solution. There is an infinite number of solutions in general. Essentially it correspounds to motion on an ellipse with a rotation angle of 2pi/5 and multiples. But the shape of the ellipse gives you a continous family of solution. By setting some coefficients here to 1, you force a discrete # of solutions. You force the ellipse.
@paradoxica424
@paradoxica424 Год назад
even for square root of identity matrix (2 by 2), there are uncountably many solutions
@jceepf
@jceepf Год назад
@@paradoxica424 yes
@jceepf
@jceepf Год назад
See general answer above in the main thread.
@get2113
@get2113 Год назад
@@jceepf nice answer
@mathadventuress
@mathadventuress Год назад
Can I join math major even though I’m a physics major 🥺🥺🥺
@lexinwonderland5741
@lexinwonderland5741 Год назад
You can have a little mathmajor, as a treat 😉❣️
@mathadventuress
@mathadventuress Год назад
@@lexinwonderland5741 🥺🥺
@noumanegaou3227
@noumanegaou3227 Год назад
Please probability theory cours
@cmilkau
@cmilkau Год назад
This seems like a lot of calculation without anything to learn. What can you learn from this?
@ojas3464
@ojas3464 Год назад
👍
@lorenzovittori7853
@lorenzovittori7853 Год назад
Didn't you only prove the "necessity" part of the problem? The fact that one matrix has only eigenvalues 1 doesn't mean it is the identity, also the 2x2 Jordan block could work.
@ConManAU
@ConManAU Год назад
He calculated the values of a and b explicitly, and they were 1 and 0 respectively which automatically results in the identity matrix.
@jesusmauro3114
@jesusmauro3114 Год назад
Hi, I´m not sure about what you refer to, but I think it is because the statement of the problem, A=[ [ a, b ] , [ -b, 1 ] ] .
@lorenzovittori7853
@lorenzovittori7853 Год назад
I think my logic is wrong but I don't understand how. Maybe I can express myself with this question: how the exercise would change if, instead of the identity, there was the matrix [[1 1] [0 1]] ?
@iang0th
@iang0th Год назад
@@lorenzovittori7853 That's not allowed by the statement of the problem, since you would have both b=1 and -b=0.
@AlcyonEldara
@AlcyonEldara Год назад
Without anything else, yes. But: 1) We have a diagonalizable matrix (the two eigenvalues are different) 2) A power of a diagonalizable matrix is a diagonalizable matrix 3) The only diagonalizable matrix with all eigenvalues equal to 1 is the identity matrix
@vladdadofganja254
@vladdadofganja254 Год назад
Eigenvector? German maths terminology? For real?
@schweinmachtbree1013
@schweinmachtbree1013 Год назад
the " *Z* " for the set of integers is from the german "Zahlen" meaning "numbers", and I'm sure there are lots of other examples too :)
@vladdadofganja254
@vladdadofganja254 Год назад
@@schweinmachtbree1013 quite a surprise for me)
@henrikr8183
@henrikr8183 Год назад
@@schweinmachtbree1013 Ansatz is used in English too, albeit rarely
@jceepf
@jceepf Год назад
"proper vector" is also used but it is more British I think.
@jimskea224
@jimskea224 Год назад
@@jceepf I'm British and we always used eigenvector, eigenvalue and eigenfunction
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