Like always the “villain” of the story has a reason for doing what they did. Gothel wasn’t born evil she was made that way by a cruel world filled with cruel people
@@harveyblackwood3563 No, not just Cruella, but also Hansel and Gretel too. Because Zelena never did anything so bad to them that they had a right to go psychopath and want to kill all witches for. They didn’t lose anybody they cared about or anything, they just had a bad day. They just wanted an excuse to kill. To me those 2 are even worse than Cruella.
@@tundesmith6484 just a bad day? getting almost eaten by a psychotic cannibalistic witch, captive like a food, having your hands be burned and all while being just children! you're right, none of these things are enough to mess up someone's mind who's not even at the age of property! another one of the ignorant OUAT fans I witnessed!
@@KyngofJewel Same. Regina: YOU CAUSED MY BOYFRIEND TO DIE!? I'M EVIL NOW!!! GRR!!! Black Fairy: I DON'T WANT MY SON TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM ME, SO I'M GOING TO CHANGE HIS FATE!!! I'M EVIL NOW!!! GRRR!!! Gothel: You literally tricked me into thinking you were nice, broke my trust by humiliating me, and killed my entire family, wiping out every trace of my kind's existence. For that, I shall get my revenge. (I would actually let Gothel kill me if she ever met me, because she has a good reason, even though I as an individual did nothing wrong.)
@@deoxysoverlord8710 Agree!!!! Regina could've just pulled Snow White's hair and imprison her for three days but instead she murdered a whole village up to the point that a child (Percival) ran away to Camelot swearing vengeance and but failed at the end. She studied magic so why not just bring Daniel back to the dead? The Black Fairy is a power-hungry bitch who deserved to die. Personally, I think even mother nature/Gothel could find a way to kick her ass.
Did that stupid blondy really think she could mess up with a magic being and not pay the price for it? Did she really believe magic was just growing a flower?
Lol. There is coming from a true magus. And look at what chaos is in the world because of it. You call it magic. But it has another name on this planet. Power. And who do you not know on this planet that doesn't have power? Or beyond rich success? Well that my Sir requires power and thays what they use. Some are but thats the vanity they krave. But its the ones behind the scenes you dont see. I've seen and others like me. And we are aware of its reality. Now think to yourself you say there's no magic in our world and yet even the Bible speaks of its existence.
@@hopefully1975 and this scene reminded me so much of the movie "carrie" in the scene where she unleashes finally all her anger and her powers after a final humiliation
It is entirely possible she was brought up to hate magical beings and magic the same way racists make their own kids racist by teaching them that evil.
@@victorvera5864 like in merlin tv show merlin tells Arthur that evil lies in hearts of men meaning that magic isnt evil it how you use it can be Merlin used his for good to show Arthur that in the end of the show
A little later in the episode it's revealed that the flashbacks of this episode takes place a billion years ago. In a time where human-like creatures lived on Earth, and then were exterminated by Gothel. Then cells began to create new life again, leading to fish, reptiles, dinosaurs develops and goes extinct, and after several more million years humans as we know them are developed...
I don't know. But Gothel said she killed all of them. And that some slimy lump would float ashore and crawl towards humanity again. Takes a «little» time to start life over at least. And I suspect that it's a lot more than a few thousand years ago. Seems plausable that it's quite impossible to create the exact same advanced species in two different times you create life, at least on the very next try. Sometimes you need to think for yourself what's happening to find the only logical solution. Human actors are probably playing the creatures in the episode for simplicity's sake, and magic creatures, like Gothel, can probably take what ever form they want to blend in...
@@atlekristiansen4975 They are humans though. That's why Gothel said: "I will never forget the humans that murdered them!" So presumably when she said she killed every last one of them, I think she meant everyone that went and murdered her family. Because after that when she reenters her home with the lady who has magic just like her, she tells her that the humans are now developing and becoming more advanced, and that since all of the tree nymphs were killed except her, that it has become a land without magic. What humans are she talking about, if she's killed every last one? So maybe Gothel just simply killed everyone who had part in her family's death, just like Carrie, who killed every student that laughed at her when she got pig's blood poured on her. Which is why Gothel says to everyone in the Ball room: "They must all pay!" She didn't kill every last human, just like Carrie didn't kill every student at the school. Just the ones that wronged her. Which is why after she kills all the humans at the ball, Gothel leaves Earth. And I'm pretty sure every human that went to the ball wasn't the entire population of humans. I'm just saying, though, this is just my theory. You can believe whatever you want to believe.
@@slenderfoxx3797 The pen allows to control the reality, Henry used that power to end isaac reality and to take the olympus crystal from rumple, the author role is to revord stories, but they can influence it, just they didn't or don't know until isaac who was kinda obsessioned being an succefull writer
@@miguelcp7993 I mean they can if they want to except then they get punished...and lose their author powers eventually right...I forget what exactly made isaac lose his...making his own dream come true?
well, this certainly explains a lot about why Gothel looking down on humans and not sympathizing even with her own daughter! You can't really call her a villain in this story, more like a force of nature which turned negative after witnessing humans sins and about not carrying about her daughter, well, we all know first of all she can have so many other mortal or immortal children and she's not even human so she can be criticized or blamed by human standards.
I gotta say the death scenes I've seen on OUAT were so sad but seeing this death scene was brutal! I mean she just snapped her neck with her magic in front of those people!! I mean I get it!! That girl deserved to suffer for killing Gothel's family but just whoa is all I can say!!
Gothel, take revenge on those who killed your family yes, help Seraphina find a new home, yes. But your mother was a protector and a creator. She brought life to the world and kept it safe. Would she want you to use your gifts and powers to bring so much destruction and death? You don't need to tear down everything in order to rebuild. Try to bring magic back with Seraphina, teach her how to use her powers, find a safe place but what would your mother say if she knew you'd killed so many others?
While you and Wolfiedaqueenn have a point you have to remember her entire family and race were slaughtered just recently and she's in pain, suffering both grief from losing her family, humiliation at her "new" sisters and rage at the humans so it wasn't possible for her to think with reason and logic in that moment.
0:39 - 1:05 KILL HER GOTHEL!! 1:06 JUSTICE IS SERVED!! 1:19 - 1:30 Gothel... you might wanna calm down here... 1:31 - 1:58 Ok, respect! 2:24 God damn it. Of course you go too far.
@@dajointcf4803 Carrie is based on the Novel and movie of the same name by Stephen King. Type Prom scene from the movie Carrie and you will understand the Carrie references. Best look for the version staring Sissy Spacek, that movie was in the 1970’s.
@@dajointcf4803 Carrie is based on the novel created by Stephen King and then made into a movie that starred Sissy Spacek ,made back in the 1970s and the movie is about this girl named Carrie with the power of telekinesis and her mother was abusive because of it and her father abandon her and she was constantly bullied at school , bullied to the point when the one friend she had got her a date with her friend who like her and together they went to the prom although her mother tried to stop her and she was nominated for prom queen and she won along with her boyfriend but then the 2 bullies that bullied her the most and was kicked out of the promo because of it , anyway they took a bucket of pigs blood and dumped it on her and pulled up an embarrassing video of freaking out because she bleeding and didn't know that she was having a period and she didn't know what a period was and they killed her boyfriend and they all laughed at her , so she just snapped and killed them all in a torturess brutal death except the teacher because she was nice and she tried to help her but the rest she killed them all except the only other friend besides the teacher she had because she was also nice and she also tried to help her and she blew up the school and the prom and she also killed the bullies who poor the pigs blood on her and killed her boyfriend by blowing them to hell and then she killed her mother and destroyed her house, that why everyone's comparing Mother Gothel to Carrie White, because she snapped like Carrie
They clearly didn't realize that they pissed off the wrong witch and clearly didn't realize how powerful she was when they made the mistake of killing her entire family and burning down her home I bet after she killed that mean princess's guards she regretted, especially when rapped her magic plant around her and she did, pleading for her life but it was to late, the damage was already done and she crossed the line and she cost Mother Gothel to snapped like Carrie and killed her and entire family and kingdom, so I really don't blame Mother Gothel ,this is how we all know that villains are born they're created by the people who wrong
That princess bitch had it coming and all those death is on her hands for setting events in motions. Gothel got her revenge, she didn't need to set out a genocidal rampage against all humans as the black girl in the silver dress is a magical human, Gothel is a tree nymph (different species). She should've gone somewhere to start again to try and bring back magic that would've made her mother (leader of her grove/clan) proud.
@@kataleah1798 No. Cruella had killed all of her mother's husbands, but her mother never sent her either to the asylum or to prison because she loved her too much to do so. And so she kept her locked up at home because she knew that if she released her she would surely kill someone.
here are for me the best villains of seasons season 1: regina season 2: cora season 3: peter pan and zéléna season 4: rumple season 5: king arthur and hades season 6: evil queen and the black fairy season 7 : gothel
Can you imagine a worse fate for Isla, and the other house sisters (excluding Seraphina) if Gothel cursed them by declaring that their firstborn daughters would be born witches, but it took decades for her curse to be fulfilled.
Guys, what do you think of my version of this scene ? -The magic girl that isn't Gothel was the one responsible for the massacre, hypnotizing the girls to command kingdom's high hierarchy to commit the genocide, as she believed nature ninfs weakened the potential for magic to evolve by keeping magic away from humans. Gothel still kills the killer (later snapping her mind beyond repair into the Gothel we see in "Tangled"), but then a woman whose last name is Tremaine offers herself up in return of the lives of everyone else.
Gothel mistake was allowing herself to turn into an irredeemable monster. She was no better than the ones who murdered her family. She allowed them to turn her cruel. She became a liar, a backstabber, and a traitor even to those born with the gift of magic.
Perhaps because there is no religion that conditions them to think that all that is inexplicable is satanic. And then he actually remembers that Zelena's adoptive father completely hated magic, for no specific reason.
@@lpallad1 maybe some people actually did hate magic, remember elsa's grandparents and hans, etc. Maybe just in some kingdoms there was just most people with good magic so they were more used to it, while in others it was usually only dark magic(?)
@@nessyness5447 The hatred of these people was more discriminatory than fear. Because that's exactly why that bitch killed Gothel's family. Because she knew they weren't a threat and so she thought she could kill them without consequences. In fact, in this scene she too insults and mocks Gothel when she thinks she is in control of the situation, but she started begging for mercy like a coward as soon as she realized she didn't have the knife on the side of the handle.
Or the flashback took place during the middle ages or aka the medieval times and Gothel still looks the same today and lived for centuries still looking young because she is magic.
Well now we know every single villain were the good ones and the the good ones were villains that make the good ones evil.....I think I confuse myself with my own words 😆
Humans slaughter magic turning the world into a land without magic. In turn Gothel went after the humans and treated them the way they treated her. Sort of. Some say justice killing killers. Other say she became a villain dishonoring her mother's last wish for no revenge and only rebuild like tiny was told to do after his family were slaughter. It just depends on how you look at it.
Imagine that in the long past of human history, there was a kingdom of European looks that was located in North America and housed people of every ethnicity. This time writers outdone themselves. If they wanted to tell an interesting story, they should have made the kingdom Atlantis, atleast it would be tied to some existing story.
She didn't really do anything but that's the problem. The only way evil to win is for good people to do nothing. She didn't take part in bullying but nor did she stop them. She didn't stand up to them.
But Gothel didn't want mankind to be afraid of her, she wanted mankind to die out. And if people had been even more afraid, they would have been even more averse to those who practice magic.
@@lpallad1 would her mother have wanted that? Would she even have wanted her to kill these people? She could have started to rebuild magic with Seraphina, create a new refuge for magic in that world.
@@agenttheater5 Obviously Gothel did not respect her mother's last wishes and dishonored her memory. But it doesn't change that these people have nevertheless shown that they do not deserve Flora's pity. If Gothel had done it this way, always playing on the defensive, she would still have been persecuted and harassed by such people. Because that's also why Isla exterminated the nymphs. Because she knew they weren't a threat and so she thought she could do it without consequences. In fact you saw how she in this scene, she first laughs and insults Gothel but then, when she realizes she doesn't have the knife on the side of her handle, she started begging for mercy like a coward. And this scene also serves to show how the people who discriminate and torment others by believing them to be monsters are stupid because, if the people they call monsters really are, those who torment them don't stay alive to tell it.
@@lpallad1 By no means did those people at the party and those women who pretended to be nice deserve her pity. Just saying she could have created a new refuge for magic with Serafina and this time never tell anyone where they are, see if there aren't humans willing to listen before killing them all
Personally I do not blame Gothel for what she did here. Actually, I also rooting for her in this scene. They were all of they the only and true monsters and deserve to die.
@@NicolasMHarrison The problem is that even today the world is full of people who harm the environment. And Gothel knows it. And that's why she wants to exterminate the human race. Because she thinks it's the only way to save the nature.
