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@Daisydilly1
@Daisydilly1 10 лет назад
I love the idea that even death can't separate Victor and Margaret. Got a massive lump in my throat though ☺️
@mr.a8315
@mr.a8315 3 года назад
@azapro911
@azapro911 4 года назад
Not classic One Foot by any means, but the sudden and sad realisation that this isn't set before 'Things Aren't Simple Anymore' punches the gut.
@Charlie_Crown
@Charlie_Crown 2 года назад
In my opinion, that was an excellent sketch, on a par with series, classic Victor Meldrew there, brilliantly acted by both
@jonnysupreme
@jonnysupreme 3 года назад
"I feel a draft down my right side" Sad 😢
@paulrees3861
@paulrees3861 3 года назад
The series regularly pulled on the heartstrings and brought on the tears as well as the laughter. It's why I enjoyed it so much.
@syteanric
@syteanric 3 года назад
One foot in the grave did comedy but also poignancy, sadness and darkness so well. This made me sad when i first saw it 😞
@rw8733
@rw8733 Год назад
I still can't watch the final episode. 😢
@Diana-tf5xq
@Diana-tf5xq 5 лет назад
They should never have killed Victor off. This was the funniest show on tv
@labhaoise16
@labhaoise16 5 лет назад
All good things must come.to an end
@rw8733
@rw8733 5 лет назад
I still haven't watched the last episode.
@Class43Harrison
@Class43Harrison 4 года назад
True
@leestanley231
@leestanley231 4 года назад
True was the best in my opinion fab writing and acting
@chimpantv
@chimpantv 3 года назад
well 2 years ago diana, hes bringing him back :)
@RovingRoy
@RovingRoy 11 лет назад
Boy, that was quite a creative episode....Victor from the afterlife.
@zachjohns6776
@zachjohns6776 4 года назад
He's the same, only dead. His grouchiness is still there in him.
@robjohnston61
@robjohnston61 5 месяцев назад
Oh my god, I loved one foot in the grave and I’ve never seen this, hits hard!!
@mr.a8315
@mr.a8315 3 года назад
Is that Eric Sykes in bed as Uncle Dick? Just finished binge watching every One Foot ep with the missus. Comedy gold. ♥ RIP Victor.
@MilanousMedia
@MilanousMedia 11 месяцев назад
Yes it is
@ZuluRomeo
@ZuluRomeo 14 лет назад
Loved the sly digs at TV ratings and Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.
@FallNorth
@FallNorth Год назад
My sister says I'm turning into Victor - at first I thought it was a bad thing, now I take it as a compliment :)
@edwardowens2667
@edwardowens2667 3 года назад
i cried my eyes out when Victor died 21 years ago....this just brought it all back again.
@carlhartwell7978
@carlhartwell7978 Год назад
I can never listen to 'End of the Line' by the Traveling Wilburys without shedding a tear for Victor!
@stevensmith4549
@stevensmith4549 Год назад
@@carlhartwell7978 same! I thought it was just me lol.
@lisaprice8777
@lisaprice8777 3 месяца назад
I love that song but it amkes me cry thinking of victor, one foot was one the the best things on tv. I can watch it over and over and it still makes me howl with laughter ​@@carlhartwell7978
@carlhartwell7978
@carlhartwell7978 Год назад
One Foot in the Podcast, for any fans who want to re-visit this incredible programme...special guests aplenty!
@rw8733
@rw8733 5 лет назад
This made me cry. I miss Victor so much. 😂
@tiemanmalcolm
@tiemanmalcolm 3 года назад
It’s ok to cry
@flare90
@flare90 11 лет назад
As if the final wasn't sad enough
@zachjohns6776
@zachjohns6776 4 года назад
Based on the thing Margaret said once, "And as if that wasn't bad enough, we've just handed it over to..."
@kaysmith8992
@kaysmith8992 2 года назад
It would be great to have one last Comic Relief Special, perhaps Margaret in a nursing home with Victor's ghost hanging around.
@jacobmassey3897
@jacobmassey3897 22 дня назад
Call it Beyond the Grave 😂
@HenrysAdventures
@HenrysAdventures 7 месяцев назад
Victor realising he's dead at the end in the same way Malcolm Crowe (played by Bruce Willis) does in The Sixth Sense.
@chrissilvester5663
@chrissilvester5663 Год назад
Watching this programme seeing Victor Meldrew constantly moan & be grumpy it's like looking at meself lmao. I often get called Victor Meldrew which tbh I take as compliment
@phoenix_star
@phoenix_star 15 лет назад
That was really clever!
@Avengers24-sw7cv
@Avengers24-sw7cv Год назад
Since Victor was a ghost, why didn't Margaret notice that the arm and the DVD were floating around?
@jacobmassey3897
@jacobmassey3897 22 дня назад
Maybe she knows Victor's ghost is there and she has attempted to talk to him but she can't here anything he says from beyond the grave so just acknowledges these ghostly things without reacting knowing there's no point talking to Victor because she can't see him let alone here him.
@Rubbafingaz1
@Rubbafingaz1 10 дней назад
@Ashes2Ashes1981
@Ashes2Ashes1981 12 лет назад
Very sad to see this, obviously taught the ending came too soon, the world needed more Meldrew
@markneville7539
@markneville7539 3 года назад
Yes. They should have ended the show typically Victor Meldrew complaining about someone on the telephone. " I want to speak to the manager" And be quick about it!
@leecowan6366
@leecowan6366 4 года назад
One foot in the grave, always has been & always will be my favourite tv show, ever. David Renwick is a better writer than John Sullivsan in my opinion. It's a masterpiece
@DoctorVision
@DoctorVision 4 года назад
I agree. While I've always enjoyed OFAH, I always found it a little overrated compared to the brilliance of One Foot.
@rnw2739
@rnw2739 4 года назад
@@DoctorVision also, hardly any fan of OFAH is aware that John Sullivan plundered and plagiarised Sooooo much from 'Steptoe and Son' for plots and jokes its ridiculous.
@drwhotvwam
@drwhotvwam 2 года назад
@@rnw2739 oh really? i never knew that. was it many?
@rnw2739
@rnw2739 2 года назад
@@drwhotvwam It was plentiful. Sullivan admitted he didn't know there would be such a thing as a VCR eventually.... but then audiences could revisit the Galton and Simpson scripts. Racquet being a stripper when Del meets her is the exact same circumstances when Harold meets Zita .....same film, Albert and Harold find a baby left in the yard they believe may be Jesus.... Sullivan nicked that but changed the thinking his son is Jesus, Rodney is convinced Damien is the Devil....
@drwhotvwam
@drwhotvwam 2 года назад
Oh wow that's really interesting, I'm not overly familiar with steptoe so I'm not aware of the jokes. But I definitely agree that one foot in the graves writing is much tighter
@ganados0
@ganados0 12 лет назад
The ending wasn't depressing enough? it's like them pouring salt into wounds.
@levimacdonald5188
@levimacdonald5188 4 года назад
Great ending bit of a twister
@MikeMJPMUNCH
@MikeMJPMUNCH 14 лет назад
Even in the afterlife victor still moans.
@Micko842
@Micko842 13 лет назад
Like how accurate victors horoscope was as he really has "disappeared" thats one thing he didn't see coming LOL
@DannysWorldTV
@DannysWorldTV 15 лет назад
This was very well done, but i'm sure they could have ended the series better than killing victor off :(
@Avengers24-sw7cv
@Avengers24-sw7cv Год назад
Perhaps, but one of the points of the programme was how awful life can be and as Victor said," The only thing worse than dying is living forever,"
@Darkstar263
@Darkstar263 15 лет назад
Apparently, David Renwick just couldn't think of anymore plots, so he killed Victor off.
@alexk7467
@alexk7467 3 года назад
Exactly and apparently another reason Victor was killed off was to stop rumours of another series being made.
@marlinbutler3699
@marlinbutler3699 3 года назад
@@alexk7467 cc xxx?xxxxxxx. Xxxx. And
@YOYOKE64
@YOYOKE64 2 года назад
Think the actors had enough
@lisaprice8777
@lisaprice8777 3 месяца назад
​@YOYOKE64 Annette wanted to carry on but Richard and David wanted to stop. I hated that came to an end but better to go out at the top and have people wanting more than to drag it on. But I do miss Victor and Margaret
@-Thunder-Warrior-
@-Thunder-Warrior- 13 лет назад
Death has clearly not mellowed out old Mr Meldrew it would seem...
@zachjohns6776
@zachjohns6776 4 года назад
Yeah. Even in death, Victor Meldrew is, and has always been and will be, grouchy, forever more... Dead or alive, it will never change. Death can't take away his grumps, his complaining, his belly aching.
@AICabal
@AICabal 14 лет назад
Never seen this comic relief special before, very well made when you remember he was killed off and this event happened afterwards.
@adamw.p.6287
@adamw.p.6287 Год назад
Would've been great if they could've at least carried on another 2 series. Same with Bottom as well, would have loved to have seen a 4th series.
@goombabear
@goombabear Год назад
Victor Meldrew's ghost. That's a great idea to bring Victor back.
@Margesimmons-fq3kj
@Margesimmons-fq3kj Год назад
still want to know if the newspaper was a ghost paper as would it not be floating in mid air if he's holding it or the dvd - that was real
@johnking5174
@johnking5174 8 лет назад
Maybe Margaret knows Victor is there with her. Maybe she knows he is in the afterlife and is still following her thinking he is alive. Only at the end of the clip does Victor realise he is dead. Remember Victor and Margaret have been together for decades up to his death, they deeply love each other, and one would never abandon the other, so maybe Margaret ignored the ghost Victor, in the same way she ignored him moaning and complaining in real life. Just a thought.
@zachjohns6776
@zachjohns6776 4 года назад
Wait a minute. Is that the ghost of Victor Meldrew? She could not hear him? She was visiting the Uncle Whatever in hospital... alone, at least she thought she was alone? And she couldn't see Victor? Or was it in the past of One Foot In The Grave, before Victor's death? I was just suspecting now why she wasn't paying attention to him. Now it all makes sense. You were right. And you do have an accurate point there which makes sense.
@donkey730
@donkey730 13 лет назад
very well done, just didnt see that end coming
@lonnieappleby6242
@lonnieappleby6242 5 лет назад
Just seeing this...THANK YOU!
@michaelmorgan1507
@michaelmorgan1507 5 лет назад
Why wait so long. I don't believe it
@bobgrantsbus
@bobgrantsbus 16 лет назад
Never seen this before, thanks for posting.
@MilanousMedia
@MilanousMedia 11 месяцев назад
Easiest job Eric Sykes ever did
@PsychologicalPower
@PsychologicalPower 11 лет назад
One Foot in the Grave meets The 6th Sense, pretty cool.
@CailenCambeul
@CailenCambeul 3 года назад
Ah, Eric Sykes meets the Meldrews. Bad luck for Eric.
@stoobacca
@stoobacca 12 лет назад
victor referring to what is going to happen on tv being in the papers to boost ratings is a pop at who wants to be a millionaire who announced the first ever winner would be shown on the same evening at the same time of the last ever episode of one foot in the grave, which they had never done before, but deliberately timed it to try and beat the bbc in viewers, which in the end, unfortunately, they did!
@stevenr1986
@stevenr1986 12 лет назад
love Victors Who Wants to be a Millionaire references, after the show stole the last ever OFITG viewers!
@amiblueful
@amiblueful Год назад
The fact that she didn't pay any attention to Victor didn't faze me a bit. I was truly surprised at the end.
@thofakhan9940
@thofakhan9940 2 года назад
I love one foot in grave because it is funny and the best comedy in the world 🌎
@stripeysocks1
@stripeysocks1 11 лет назад
Why didn't he say at the end "I dont believe it"
@31webseries
@31webseries 7 лет назад
Yeah, seems like a bit of a missed opportunity not to leave it with his most famous words but this time meaning more than ever before.
@kaysmith8992
@kaysmith8992 2 года назад
The actor himself didn't want to turn it into a catchphrase and he was right, One Foot in the Grave was too good for catchphrases.
@GooneralAFC
@GooneralAFC 13 лет назад
There's a real flaw in this as much as I love the programme - the false arm and the newspaper would be floating!
@gemini802
@gemini802 4 года назад
Not really she cant see him or his movements and he wont realise!
@Darthpathfinder
@Darthpathfinder 4 года назад
I wish they would have ended it it with them both having some good luck. The last ep while good was...... Far to depressing and i am never watching that ep again.
@nicsperrin
@nicsperrin 16 лет назад
Aww that was sad
@TheTones20
@TheTones20 14 лет назад
Haha the sixth sence ending maybe I'm dead? Love it.
@yamanmustafa7574
@yamanmustafa7574 3 года назад
Sense
@spartybrearly7221
@spartybrearly7221 2 года назад
So Victor didn’t realise en route to the hospital?
@danielpalmersofficial
@danielpalmersofficial Год назад
This is a strange one, but it’s nice to see Victor and Margaret one last time. ✌️☺️
@janicem9225
@janicem9225 2 года назад
How could she not see the things floating in the air? Or does he only think he's able to touch and move things, until he realizes he's dead?
@Made1984.
@Made1984. Год назад
I never knew about this until recently but I won't be watching it again once is enough.
@thurstable
@thurstable 12 лет назад
Oooo I went cold at the end of that :(
@monkeyman767
@monkeyman767 14 лет назад
@iwata25 Thats exactly why they killed him off, the writer said that he was running out of ideas, and wanted to end it while the show was still popular
@adamclarke3485
@adamclarke3485 10 лет назад
Beautiful....
@rocksoliddude1
@rocksoliddude1 2 года назад
The last time Victor was ever on screen. 😞
@pughga
@pughga 12 лет назад
WHY ISN'T THIS OR THE 93 SHORT IN THE BOX SET???
@MatgoStyles
@MatgoStyles 4 года назад
Any sketches for Comic Relief are owned by Comic Relief rather than the BBC.
@rnw2739
@rnw2739 4 года назад
Then they should be charitable in reply and let the fans see them again....... only goes one way evidently.
@theweddingsinger1970
@theweddingsinger1970 15 лет назад
it's a vhs cassette not a dvd disc
@fraserkatie
@fraserkatie 15 лет назад
Wow! Havent seen this before! Wow! Great!
@martinhoy1
@martinhoy1 8 лет назад
brilliant. - I'm trying to find the one where Victors in hospital, & gets shaved by a loony. - I have in on greast comedy moments/ but its not on the OFITG cd's - was it comic relief?
@fifggdsfghj
@fifggdsfghj 8 лет назад
+Martin Hoyle I'll retire to bedlam, s01e04 i think
@mistofoles
@mistofoles 3 года назад
Ahhhh ....Now I get the significance - Victor was dead and Margaret couldn't see/hear him, but he didn't realise that.
@domparis1978
@domparis1978 15 лет назад
Oh no! The ending was ruined for me reading stuff below. It stopped playing with 40 seconds to go and now i'm watching it again knowing victor's dead. That'll explain the 'draught ' coming from Margaret's right side as she said.
@thurstable
@thurstable 9 лет назад
Surly when Victor picked up the arm and newspaper it would have scared the shite out of Margaret as they were not ghosts? Also the video in the bag changed positions on the tv... I hate continuity errors :)
@gemini802
@gemini802 4 года назад
No as its all invosible to Margaret his a ghost his dead she wont see it likes she says all she feels is a draughts she thinls thsts its just colder!
@tjfSIM
@tjfSIM 3 года назад
@@gemini802 He picked up the video in the bag at the end before Margaret walked back in - surely she would have seen the video hovering in midair while he was holding it? Strange, but perhaps it's deliberately ambiguous.
@MegaDanDrum
@MegaDanDrum 13 лет назад
i'd never seen this before, great vid
@paperviewcast
@paperviewcast 8 лет назад
People askng why Margaret didn't freak out about the paper and arm being lifted up...Maybe it's meant to be left ambiguous. Maybe Victor really is there, or maybe he is just a ghost...
@johnking5174
@johnking5174 8 лет назад
+Daniel Ford Maybe Margaret knows Victor is there with her. Maybe she knows he is in the afterlife and is still following her thinking he is alive. Only at the end of the clip does Victor realise he is dead. Remember Victor and Margaret have been together for decades up to his death, they deeply love each other, and one would never abandon the other, so maybe Margaret ignored the ghost Victor, in the same way she ignored him moaning and complaining in real life. Just a thought.
@janicem9225
@janicem9225 3 года назад
She seems really nervous in this comedy relief clip, and several times looks over at Victor, even seeming to answer his question. I think she does know, but is nervous about it, because that's really not supposed to happen.
@obsoleteworlds
@obsoleteworlds 3 года назад
I never saw this before and am now wondering if a whole series could have been made out of ghost Victor and Margaret. A lot of scope for some interesting concepts.
@Ian_Livesey
@Ian_Livesey 3 года назад
Could’ve called it “Both feet In the grave”
@kaysmith8992
@kaysmith8992 2 года назад
While the actors are still alive I'd love to see this continued, perhaps with Margaret in a nursing home or even living with Mr Sweeney (they had an almost mother-son bond towards the end of the series), with Victor obviously shouting about some nurse or Mr Sweeney himself.
@caramelrocket
@caramelrocket 13 лет назад
fabulous!
@SuperDuper332
@SuperDuper332 16 лет назад
that was a shock at the end,i had to watch it a second time! but how come margaret does'nt see victor picking up the arm? she should of seen it, and the tape at the end!
@gemini802
@gemini802 4 года назад
No because hos a gjost and she cant see him or the arm.t his movements
@applemask
@applemask 12 лет назад
Interesting use of Eric Sykes.
@YOYOKE64
@YOYOKE64 2 года назад
How did they manage keep straight faces
@wisteela
@wisteela 11 месяцев назад
I'd not seen this before. That ending...
@lisasmalls8387
@lisasmalls8387 2 года назад
I thought Margaret was just ignoring him, cause of his moaning😪
@Lauren94twitch
@Lauren94twitch 2 года назад
i could only watch this once so sad
@sports_comedy2642
@sports_comedy2642 6 лет назад
at 15 seconds in what does margaret say that makes victor sit down?
@johnking5174
@johnking5174 4 года назад
She said nothing, she just coughed loudly. This allows the viewer to chose whether Margaret can see Victor or she can not see him.
@timothyw98
@timothyw98 7 лет назад
Victor is just a character, maybe it's a stand alone story that's not cannon
@Silhouette0fDreams
@Silhouette0fDreams 9 лет назад
was the video supposed to end there? it seemed like a pretty bad ending...the fact they actually bought him back as a ghost makes the fact he was killed off even more sad, because now hes back as a ghost and didn't realize hes dead means he isn't resting at peace. i think they could made the ending to this more emotional and heart felt
@dpf2122
@dpf2122 5 лет назад
You've obviously never seen the original show. This fits in perfectly with its dark, unsentimental humour.
@starr086
@starr086 13 лет назад
@jackntheball There was 2 one from 1993 (which is on here) and this 1 , sadly they never made it to DVD,dont know why,my guess is something to do with the copywrites.maybe one day when the DVDs are re-released they will be on there.
@benellis9665
@benellis9665 3 года назад
Very clever!
@HentaiGarfield
@HentaiGarfield 12 лет назад
How ironic that they now show this on Gold!
@yamanmustafa7574
@yamanmustafa7574 3 года назад
Why would that be ironic? Don't you mean "fitting"?
@sperrin
@sperrin 2 года назад
So how could Victor pick up the video if he's a ghost?
@zachjohns4669
@zachjohns4669 Год назад
Maybe he’s a poltergeist, a ghost that can touch objects?
@Margesimmons-fq3kj
@Margesimmons-fq3kj Год назад
maybe at the end she could have gone emotional to show how she still misses him too . great clip though
@Margesimmons-fq3kj
@Margesimmons-fq3kj Год назад
only thing is , the newspaper ? Is it a ghost paper ? As wouldn't it float in mid air or the dvd
@ysgol3
@ysgol3 Год назад
Aw, he should never never have been killed off. It was so sad and so unnecessary.
@Yetaxa
@Yetaxa 9 месяцев назад
It was the perfect ending. David Renwick wanted to end the show anyway, and by killing him off he ensured that he could never return.
@ysgol3
@ysgol3 9 месяцев назад
@@Yetaxa Hi. Bollocks!!
@greciarobain1952
@greciarobain1952 5 лет назад
I would have subscribed but not getting hole stories...!!!!
@godfatheruniversking8452
@godfatheruniversking8452 2 года назад
'' All you sinful creatures (poisonous beasts) - children, do not set an example for yourself and turn only sinners (poisonous beasts) into hell! Instead I have to offer sacrifices (sight) to my heavenly-army! Command!
@virginianeil6185
@virginianeil6185 8 лет назад
how did Margaret not freak out when the newspaper and arm got lifted up, she would've noticed surely that was creepy and there was a ghost of some sort in the room with her!
@johnking5174
@johnking5174 8 лет назад
+Virginia Neil Maybe Margaret knows Victor is there with her. Maybe she knows he is in the afterlife and is still following her thinking he is alive. Only at the end of the clip does Victor realise he is dead. Remember Victor and Margaret have been together for decades up to his death, they deeply love each other, and one would never abandon the other, so maybe Margaret ignored the ghost Victor, in the same way she ignored him moaning and complaining in real life. Just a thought.
@TheSegadroid
@TheSegadroid 5 лет назад
The wizards did it.
@USARonin
@USARonin 2 года назад
Well, at least Margaret was able to take revenge and kill the woman who did old Victor in. Well done, you, Margaret.
@myfavouritethings3187
@myfavouritethings3187 2 года назад
She didn't do it did she?
@USARonin
@USARonin 2 года назад
@@myfavouritethings3187 She swore she would kill that person if she ever found out who did it. She looked mad (insane) as she spoke. And she had a hateful, obsessive look on her face and in her eyes as she listened to the other woman's explanation. She only showed the woman the proper dose going in and not the lethal dose already there. I recommend their short Comic Relief special (2001?) visiting "Visiting With Uncle Dick" on RU-vid if you haven't already viewed it.
@ANDCFC95
@ANDCFC95 Год назад
And not go to prison for it
@patriciatung9286
@patriciatung9286 21 день назад
​@@USARonin No, she's too smart to risk jail. She probably turned the woman in for "hit & run" and saw her go to jail. That's the best revenge
@USARonin
@USARonin 19 дней назад
@@patriciatung9286 💖
@andyscott6315
@andyscott6315 8 лет назад
who's tomb with detol?
@stuartjohnannett
@stuartjohnannett 8 лет назад
John Lennon
@johnny45irish
@johnny45irish 8 лет назад
LOL. It's Lenin, a reference to his mausoleum on Red Square in the centre of Moscow, where he lies embalmed.
@DoubleMonoLR
@DoubleMonoLR 4 года назад
I think the 'with dettol' part refers to the disinfectant Dettol, which has a distinctive smell.
@yamanmustafa7574
@yamanmustafa7574 3 года назад
Whose
@PoltergeistFilm1982
@PoltergeistFilm1982 5 лет назад
I ignore the episode where David Renwick killed off Victor. It didn’t happen. Victor is still alive. Simple as that.
@andypickeringmusic
@andypickeringmusic 4 года назад
Err yep it did and with great class. Why keep something going on till its shite like "only fools" based on unsatisfied needy people like you who demand always more of something
@PoltergeistFilm1982
@PoltergeistFilm1982 4 года назад
Andy Pickering Killing someone is a cheap climax. Ending something and keeping the main characters takes a lot more creativity and talent. But art and talent isn’t something you know about Andrew. You look like shit and can’t sing. Bush bye.
@andypickeringmusic
@andypickeringmusic 4 года назад
@@PoltergeistFilm1982 wow going to the lengths of checking me out well done
@PoltergeistFilm1982
@PoltergeistFilm1982 4 года назад
Andy Pickering Thanks. When a complete stranger calls someone else a fool, out of the blue, it’s prudent to see what kind of loser one is dealing with. In your case, nothing special, just an out of work delusional loser. You don’t matter and your opinion is worthless. PS, sack your song writer, he/she is sucks big time.
@rnw2739
@rnw2739 4 года назад
Pardon me for butting in, but this exchange is worthy of David Renwick himself!
@Tillyard86
@Tillyard86 13 лет назад
I hate laughter tracks, they always attempt make things seem funnier than they really are. Most jokes in sit coms are not laugh out loud funny.
@DoctorVision
@DoctorVision 4 года назад
Yes but most sitcoms, including One Foot in the Grave were filmed in front of a live audience so at least the laughter is genuine.
@bananalol7861
@bananalol7861 Год назад
Gaius
@perceblue3976
@perceblue3976 3 года назад
Not funny or humorous, but rather depressing.
@wernerhuehn674
@wernerhuehn674 6 лет назад
This was stolen from The Sixth Sense. :-)
@timothyw98
@timothyw98 7 лет назад
Victor is just a character, maybe it's a stand alone story that's not cannon
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