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One of the most profitable spots in poker occurs when the preflop raiser check raises a board that does not favor his range, and you as the original field caller of someone else's flop bet is able to back-raise.
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@CrushlivePoker
@CrushlivePoker 3 года назад
Bart will be commentating the Hustler Casino Live Commentary tonight (9/3/21) at 8PM ET for 6 hours! Andy, Garrett, Krish, Gal on the show tonight.. $50/$100 NL
@Rob.P.
@Rob.P. 3 года назад
Big show on hustler live. Man I been playing low stakes 1,2 1,3 2,3 in LA area.. these takes are no joke... Why is rake so high?!??
@Jealod24
@Jealod24 3 года назад
The convo on the turn: I don’t think the caller understood that you were not only factoring in the 60% equity you had on the flop, but also the ev of winning the hand outright with a fold when the villain does this crap with hands like high pockets. He made a comment about having past exp with equity ratios similar to this hand and how he didn’t do well, and that seems to have made him gun shy. The biggest issue is that many people don’t take the two secs to calculate the percentage they need to win to break even.
@richcheckmaker9789
@richcheckmaker9789 3 года назад
I like the way Hero played the hand. I think the smaller 3bet is better. It puts the other guy's stack at risk without having to put his whole stack at risk necessarily. It allows the villain the opportunity to make the mistake of just calling the raise then checking back the turn allowing hero to realize his equity for cheaper. Also a non all-in 3bet there actually looks stronger than a jam and might be more likely to get a fold. I think this is a good creative play by hero.
@guybrushthreepwood8174
@guybrushthreepwood8174 3 года назад
I watched a lot of that stream it was great 👍
@pokertroll320
@pokertroll320 3 года назад
Ripping it all in is actually the lower variance play. If he continues, he’s almost always going to put you all in anyway. So the only way you’re reducing the variance is by increasing the chance that he folds, which is done by jamming.
@dylonchafin8983
@dylonchafin8983 3 года назад
I am always jamming here as well. But it does bring an interesting thought experiment about fold equity. The idea that betting more = more fold equity stands true in most spots obviously. But here specifically if you 4 bet a bit bigger to say $1350 it can almost look stronger, you are clearly committing yourself and also them since they understand the rest is going in no matter what, plus the potential added fold equity of it looking like a please call me bet. Might actually generate more folds from overpairs that way. Meta/leveling game for sure. Def was not the callers logic but could actually be optimal when playing humans vs computers
@KeanuReaver
@KeanuReaver 3 года назад
Exactly. I think a lot of people over value not having to show their cards. If opponent jams instead then opponent shows first, so if op doesn't hit he won't have to show his cards.
@WillPage
@WillPage 3 года назад
This was definitely my first thought, and my second, and my third. Devils advocate: I was thinking about this, and if you were someone like a Hellmuth, making it 1100 just might be a long term chip saving strategy. Think about it, if the op calls 1100, he will then be likely wanting to get to showdown, as he must think there is a great chance he is beaten. If hero doesn't improve, he can save several hundred dollars. This is assuming of course that the op recognises 1100 is effectively an all in. I think the op folded thinking it was effectively an all in, and the bet might even look stronger (a bluff or semi-bluff is always jamming). If you think about it, it seems as though the raise is an attempt to keep the op in the hand - which is scarier. This flop lends itself to a lot of draws. It doesn't sound as though the hero was thinking this way, but in effect there might be some (only some) merit to it. I would jam myself, but I might consider a bet that looks like a disguised jam against a thinking player in certain spots.
@WillPage
@WillPage 3 года назад
@@dylonchafin8983 Ha. I hadn't seen this reply but just commented the same thing. It looks less semi-bluffy as a large raise that is effectively an all in.
@nuklearwinter2892
@nuklearwinter2892 3 года назад
Jamming and getting the opponent to fold a hand like JJ-AA is a huge win. The raise to 1100 worked but for the wrong reasons. It likely looked incredibly strong to the opponent as a nutted hand rather than a draw.
@jimmy18547
@jimmy18547 3 года назад
Bart is a trooper for dealing with these call ins as patiently as he does.
@Gizziiusa
@Gizziiusa 2 года назад
Nat the nit. his verbiage screams nit.
@shinyanakajima5190
@shinyanakajima5190 2 года назад
Damn, the caller was killing me with the "you know" constantly lol
@3cs3hs
@3cs3hs 2 года назад
totally! he definitely has good 'teacher' skills. being able to listen well and the ability to decipher what people (who have horrible communication skills) are trying to tell him about themselves and their hands/
@jordanmiller9702
@jordanmiller9702 2 года назад
An absolute saint.
@chris2003ize
@chris2003ize Год назад
If the caller removed "you know" from his vocabulary this video would have taken half the time.
@puttmanftw765
@puttmanftw765 2 года назад
Truly hysterical stuff with the caller “I wanted to leave myself enough where I can’t fold on the turn” lmao
@brettmasonmedia
@brettmasonmedia 3 года назад
“I’ve just seen too many times where the draw doesn’t come in” Right. But we also have math which tells us how often it will. Using that we determine if it’s profitable or not. This is a guy who still thinks in terms of winning the hand rather than winning money.
@hmd6202
@hmd6202 3 года назад
100%. He is scared money worried about monsters under the closet. He also thinks he knows alot more then he does.
@capnnukasun810
@capnnukasun810 3 года назад
Right, results instead of process
@edide1627
@edide1627 3 года назад
Obviously. I have a question thou (as an amateur) Is it always all in or can it ever be good to do something similar to make hem call and not fold (even if u'r knowing you're behind but still a favorite)
@connman8d617
@connman8d617 3 года назад
It's a 15 out draw - the odds say it will come in more often than it doesn't...plus his ace is likely live so it's often an 18 out draw.
@capnnukasun810
@capnnukasun810 2 года назад
@@edide1627 lookup the concept of stack-to-pot ratio. Stack size will (always) be a factor in decision making -- this is why angling is a big deal and reviled. However, it is possible to induce a fold with large, but not all in, bet right? That would be "something similar".
@alistairwillock7266
@alistairwillock7266 2 года назад
To the hero: if you happen to read this comment, listen to this entire segment again. Listen to it several times, and try really hard to forget your preconceived notions while doing so. Having a 60-40 edge over any overpair that isn't AA isn't a _"small"_ edge. It's the kind of equity edge that, combined with your fold equity, makes a jam _mandatory_ in this spot. Do whatever work you need to do away from the table to clarify your thought process until you don't mess this up again. That is all.
@raswartz
@raswartz 3 года назад
I don't know crap about poker but I do know that you shouldn't just repeat your original wrong reasoning after Bart has given his explanation.
@EthanBlaineMeyers
@EthanBlaineMeyers 3 года назад
If you decide to take poker seriously, you're already on a good path!
@zourah2
@zourah2 2 года назад
😂- it’s funny because it’s true
@marksprinkle
@marksprinkle 3 года назад
You want him to fold or you want to see both cards. You've got to pull the trigger then and stick your stack in. If you're seeing ghosts of missed outs in the past, fold your hand, cash out, and go home.
@EricA-xd9fn
@EricA-xd9fn 3 года назад
"Sam...Sam...Just jam it." 😆🤣🤣
@youtubelife9248
@youtubelife9248 3 года назад
God I love poker. This caller is exactly why live poker is so profitable
@andrewadami3920
@andrewadami3920 2 года назад
Part of the problem is that he is sitting WAY too deep. 300BB to the straddle and 600BB to the normal 1/3 stakes. If he has $600 here. It's not even a sweat. You jam over the MP1 bet on the flop and just let the cards fall where they may.
@rockwithyou2006
@rockwithyou2006 2 года назад
@@andrewadami3920 Nope. If you cannot handle such swings, you shouldn't be playing to begin with. If you had only 600$ here and you jam, there is no fold equity. The fold equity goes higher as the stack sizes go higher.
@Dave-wy5nq
@Dave-wy5nq 2 года назад
@@andrewadami3920 yours is another post supporting RU-vid life 1's post. The deeper people play, the bigger their mistakes get. People who don't like to play deep are playing on scared money...or as I like to call it, my eventual money.
@andrewadami3920
@andrewadami3920 2 года назад
@@Dave-wy5nq lol sure. You call it scared money. I call it playing with depth I am comfortable with and stakes I am bankrolled for. I've never heard one pro say that playing 100bb deep was too shallow and incorrect.
@Dave-wy5nq
@Dave-wy5nq 2 года назад
@@andrewadami3920 nor did I say that playing 100bb deep is incorrect. What I said was that people who don't want to play deeper are playing on scared money. If you can't play as deep as the people in the video, you are giving away money. The idea that sitting with more than $200 in a 1/2 game is 'too deep' is absurd.
@patrickp3171
@patrickp3171 3 года назад
This guy sounds like scared money. This is an easy jam. Villain at a 1/3 game almost always has queens+ lmao and a lot of times they aren't going to fold.
@taylorw3030
@taylorw3030 3 года назад
"You can have all the outs in the world, but that doesn't mean you're going to hit one of them" - a bad player
@joshuakennedy8094
@joshuakennedy8094 3 года назад
@@taylorw3030 I laughed when he said that… it’s clear he doesn’t understand the point of the jam is to get a fold, not a call. Lol
@nicks210684
@nicks210684 3 года назад
@@joshuakennedy8094 although a call is still fine. You’re ahead of any overpair and not even in terrible shape vs a set.
@jc624
@jc624 3 года назад
Drinking game: take a drink everytime this caller says "you know"
@craigjohnson6835
@craigjohnson6835 3 года назад
I got a hangover already
@supersmoo7377
@supersmoo7377 3 года назад
You’d be dead by the end of the video.
@ohgoosey6233
@ohgoosey6233 2 года назад
I was looking for this comment haha, apparently not the only one noticing it
@davinanderson2003
@davinanderson2003 3 года назад
The best thing about poker is that most of the people will never get better regardless of the books videos and instructions.
@209twitch
@209twitch 3 года назад
I played a live game with a guy who said he’s been playing for 60 years. Still played very poorly after all that experience
@Gos1234567
@Gos1234567 3 года назад
Yes,look at Blackjack,you can get strategy cards and learn to play perfect for basically the last 60 or so years.But people play horrendously,Its actually fascinating to me why they dont actually try to learn about the game they are risking money on.Mind boggling really
@guybrushthreepwood8174
@guybrushthreepwood8174 3 года назад
It's because the results aren't temporally connected in time to whether an action was good or not. Makes learning very difficult unless you realize you have to play for the long run I don't think most people even think in terms of statistics and expectation
@dalewike856
@dalewike856 3 года назад
The worst thing about poker is that most people have gotten better through books and instructions.
@LitCentralMillennialXLIII
@LitCentralMillennialXLIII 3 года назад
True
@Scotthoho
@Scotthoho 3 года назад
Sam… just jam it… thx for the call 😂
@garysell7236
@garysell7236 2 года назад
This guy definitely had zero left in his pocket after he bought in.
@luisbenites4825
@luisbenites4825 3 года назад
The caller doesn't understand he doesn't have to hit his hand to make money. We are not playing against one hand, but all the badly played hands SB may have. Yes, we are 10% behind breaking even vs a set, but large equity favorite against all else, plus we over realize that equity when he folds the KK once in a while, or lost his mind with KQs. We are in a spot where WE hold all the nuts, nut draws, and sets. If you can't put it all in on this spot against a SB 3b you are playing scared money and should not be that deep.
@nicks210684
@nicks210684 3 года назад
I’d somewhat discount sets as well. Do 77/88/99 always 3 bet preflop? Maybe they should vs a CO open. But I don’t know if they always do. And if they do 3-bet, how often do they check such a wet flop? I met check 99 on 952 rainbow, but not on 987 two tone.
@Gos1234567
@Gos1234567 3 года назад
@@nicks210684 Yea i was thinking 99 but then discounted that as a set would bet flop definetly.Although i discounted over pairs aswell because that would be stupid,but there you go,you really can discount much against stupid players
@luisbenites4825
@luisbenites4825 3 года назад
@@nicks210684 that's what I'm saying, unless SB is expert and is ONLY taking this line with 99 we are crushing any range that includes bad play (overpairs)
@luisbenites4825
@luisbenites4825 3 года назад
@@Gos1234567 not sure 99 has to bet the flop since this board will almost never check through (if it does we are not that worried, probably a few cards are bad for us) But yeah, 99 is discounted in that it's a rare play pre, and it's part of a range including hands we are in great shape against
@nicks210684
@nicks210684 3 года назад
@@luisbenites4825 quite a lot of cards are bad for 99. Any club, J, T, 7 or 6 is bad. That’s pretty much half the deck.
@nothingleft2lose-
@nothingleft2lose- 2 года назад
Love it when Bart makes faces during the call! Ha ha 😂😆
@alexneorivera4488
@alexneorivera4488 3 года назад
Love this 1/3 deep games, like the one in Wynn, The Orleans and South Point (2/3) in Vegas. Money move sometimes better than a 2/5 games and you have more bb to play with.
@valz4131
@valz4131 3 года назад
I think this caller made Bart's brain hurt, you can visibly see it at 15:46 lol
@glennhagstedt
@glennhagstedt 3 года назад
Jamming this spot is something i learned after the first 2 hours of first playing poker. This is just unreal.
@MrJamberee
@MrJamberee 3 года назад
Well, that’s not my experience in this size of a game with a limper calling the $120 bet. You can theorize all day, but this is now reality and it’s not likely SB re-raiser and limper are weak in this situation.
@matthewwestcott9138
@matthewwestcott9138 3 года назад
@@MrJamberee Not likely? Except the limper folded so he was weak and even the sb just had an over pair (and folded). So weak compared to what he could have had, like a set.
@timb4321
@timb4321 2 года назад
@@MrJamberee SB re-raiser was representing a big pair or AK kind of hand preflop. Based on board texture, he has a one-pair hand that he is supposed to be playing a small pot with. The other guy played preflop like he is clueless. This hits his range more than SB, but he could have a lot of holdings here. Definitely nothing to be afraid of on average.
@Its__Good
@Its__Good 3 года назад
I just don't understand how people who can't comprehend the basics of EV can play for thousands of dollars. If you're not prepared to lose you stack with 40% equity without being upset then just quit the game.
@matthewgary6843
@matthewgary6843 2 года назад
Shhh... don't let them in on our secret.
@nickmullen402
@nickmullen402 3 года назад
Just put it in! Raising to $1100 is almost giving him the price to draw to a boat if he has a set (if he thinks you have J10)! Or if he has J10 and somehow gets away on a flush card turn, that’s a disaster!
@juancarlosneira1117
@juancarlosneira1117 2 года назад
I cannot stand to hear another "you know" ever again.
@PrimeTerrific
@PrimeTerrific 2 года назад
Definitely what made Bart hang up so fast lol
@timb4321
@timb4321 2 года назад
You know, I think you have a point there.
@Wooooosaaaaaa
@Wooooosaaaaaa Год назад
@@timb4321 ​ this comment should have 100 likes 😂
@pokerstatistician5083
@pokerstatistician5083 3 года назад
"You Know"
@michaelserrate3032
@michaelserrate3032 3 года назад
Hey, poker statistician, why the hell aren’t you still making videos?! I loved your stuff, but you haven’t put out a new one in some time.
@jc624
@jc624 3 года назад
Lmao he got Bart to say it too
@pokerstatistician5083
@pokerstatistician5083 3 года назад
@@michaelserrate3032 Almost a year ya. Cherish your favorite vloggers, the time put in to make them outweighs the reward for most of them I would say. I would spend essentially a full day (8-12 hours) per video and earn around 20 bucks or something. My channel wasn't growing fast enough and I wasn't getting any endorsement offers or anything like that. The work outweighed the reward for me.
@michaelserrate3032
@michaelserrate3032 3 года назад
@@pokerstatistician5083 very understandable. Nevertheless, know that there are many who appreciated the work you did. I still smile from time to time thinking about some of the hands you reviewed involving the iconic “crazy Asian lady.”
@nohalfmeasures6
@nohalfmeasures6 3 года назад
Jam Sam! He seems like he's outthinking himself.
@EricA-xd9fn
@EricA-xd9fn 3 года назад
I think an underlying issue was that Sam had "built up" his Stack (probably starting at $500 and running it up to $1,700). He seemed reluctant to "risk it all" because of the psychology of not wanting to "lose" his "winnings".
@kevinprendergast839
@kevinprendergast839 3 года назад
He could play 99 face up and I’d still jam.
@shinyanakajima5190
@shinyanakajima5190 2 года назад
Lol you know. You know. You know. Lol, caller was driving me nuts with all the "you knows" every other word. I wished I could've chimed in and said, no! I don't f'ing know!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@RemixNeenii
@RemixNeenii 3 года назад
Scared money....just rip it.
@tyelucy4600
@tyelucy4600 3 года назад
Exactly what I was thinking, he needs to play micro stakes or work on his game, clearly doesn’t understand well enough
@harrycardillo8671
@harrycardillo8671 3 года назад
Against QQ he's like 60/40. Against any two aces he's still a favorite, like 55% to 45%. The check flop the raise is typical of a scared over pair turned to desperation. But., he's a dog to any set. Which could check raise the flop. I still jam. Scared money don't win money.
@ortodary2825
@ortodary2825 3 года назад
He sounds so bloody nervous xD
@keithdunlap
@keithdunlap 3 года назад
I am new to poker, so forgive me if this is obvious or incorrect, but a recent strategy I have come to employ is to try to get the money in when I have the most equity. In other words, in this specific situation, unless I hit one of my draws, the equity of my draws is only going to decrease on the Turn. So I should get it all in now when I have the most equity. Does that make sense?
@glennhagstedt
@glennhagstedt 3 года назад
thats exactly right.
@keithdunlap
@keithdunlap 3 года назад
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 Sorry. I should have been clearer, I am assuming the other conditions are right, as you describe, and that raising puts Villain's likely range/holding in a tough spot, denying Villain equity, etc. I agree that Villain almost definitely has the best hand here. (I do hand reading exercises every day. On every flop I go through a quick calculation of how many sets, two pair, top pair and draws Villain's likely range can have on the given texture before I take an action.) But still Hero likely has the most equity his holding is going to have at this juncture. So, I think, getting the money in now on the flop makes the most sense, if that is the play, rather than waiting for a Turn card which will likely shift the equities more in Villain's favor. . Perhaps my "thinking is all wrong." But I am doing okay overall. Still playing on my original five dollar deposit and almost tripled my bankroll in about 100,000 hands. But thank you for your advice, your consideration, and your civility in taking the time to correct a perceived misunderstanding on my part. I truly appreciate your help.
@JiveDadson
@JiveDadson 3 года назад
If villain has an overpair, as is likely, your hand is _better._ Although you would prefer a fold from an overpair, I would not call jamming a bluff. Make him paaaaay!
@dylonchafin8983
@dylonchafin8983 3 года назад
While I would always jam here (which is the right play) I do actually think the min click can look even stronger and potentially generate more folds from overpairs which is a huge win. More of a psyc game at that point, you’ve clearly committed yourself so from the villains perspective you should have the same fold equity with the added look of a please call me bet
@analogmike1534
@analogmike1534 3 года назад
Sure, but you’re tempting them to call more often with the smaller bet. And if they call and you hit on the turn you’re almost never getting called for the rest. Jamming maximizes fold equity & also maximizes profit when villain calls and you get there.
@nicks210684
@nicks210684 3 года назад
Interesting point. And possibly some truth to it. But the caller didn’t sell it like that. He was clearly holding back due to being scared money rather than thinking that better smaller actually looked even stronger.
@dylonchafin8983
@dylonchafin8983 3 года назад
Yea callers logic was flawed. But it is an interesting wrinkle to think about. I may go a bit bigger (say $1350) to make sure they aren’t able to flat and fold on bad turns. All that said I’m most likely just jamming.
@michaelstephens9852
@michaelstephens9852 2 года назад
@John Megahan The term itself-derived from the post oak, a smallish tree of little commercial value-often carries derogatory connotations and it is frequently seen as a weak play, as the player takes the overcautious approach by not betting too much. Thus, this strategy often undermines the chances of the bluff working. Doyle Brunson described the move as "gutless" and he claims that he never makes the play. Doesn't sound like a good play.
@goodguycwyzz4768
@goodguycwyzz4768 2 года назад
“I’m not scared of losing my money but I’m scared of losing my money”
@Oheeeoh
@Oheeeoh 3 года назад
Looking forward to you commentating the Hustler game tonight, Bart.
@18000rpm
@18000rpm 3 года назад
This caller is a real pro at putting himself into stupid spots lol
@eee4577
@eee4577 2 года назад
Drinking game:Drink a shot of vodka whenever the caller says "You know"
@paulpena5040
@paulpena5040 Месяц назад
Hero said something interesting preflop "I didn't 4 bet because I didn't want to get blown off my hand". WHY is that a concern? Do you think 5 bets are common? It's amazing how many times people fear getting raised as if villain can see your hand. Every consecutive raise gets exponentially more rare. If someone 5 bets you you are HAPPY to get "blown off" your hand because you're facing AAs or KKs at that point. And truth be told villain smooth calling those hands might actually empty your pockets more than the 4 bet would have so be grateful. Most of the time you will get folds or calls don't worry about outliers (unless you're against a maniac).
@jaew000
@jaew000 2 года назад
the most profitable spot in poker is playing with this dude who never wants to exercise his fold equity
@jonymaka
@jonymaka 3 года назад
you know
@Jealod24
@Jealod24 3 года назад
So the guy says he raised to $1100 but then if the guy rejammed he would have called anyways because his odds would be so good. Wow. Someone needs to explain that jamming not only increases fold equity over raising to $1100, but if you’re going to call a raise regardless, then just jam. Your odds are 60%, and he said multiple times that he’s been in a similar situation and lost, but that just shows he doesn’t understand odds. Having 60% doesn’t mean you’ll win every time, it means you’ll win 60% of the time. So by making this jam consistently you will have a positive ev. And what Bart was trying to explain that you just don’t look at the 60% but also the ev of him folding outright on the flop. Take a second to calculate the odds needed to break even after your jam, then think “if I hit I my flush I beat all his value hands, and if I hit my straight I’m still ahead of a lot of value”..: easy jam. Leaving money behind shows he wasn’t confident in the hand and is massively exploitable for anyone paying attention… and lastly, even though he said he would have called if the guy came over the top and jammed his $1100 raise, let’s be honest, he would have been scared of the draw missing and folded
@rysw19
@rysw19 2 года назад
“I bet enough so that if the guy 3-bet and clearly has me beat, I wouldn’t have a choice but to call.”
@terencehill3972
@terencehill3972 2 года назад
This guy sound like Lenny! (the recording trolling with telemarketers) 🤣
@darrylmeeking6839
@darrylmeeking6839 3 года назад
Sam. Just jam it. I appreciate the call 😂
@kennethchia4194
@kennethchia4194 2 года назад
Bart had had enough at that point
@dandattola
@dandattola 2 года назад
He asked if jamming was optimal after Bart told him shoving was optimal.
@CloneDanMan
@CloneDanMan 2 года назад
Caller said “you know” 54 times in a 20 min call. Jesus
@Twinkieboy333
@Twinkieboy333 2 года назад
For the times he has 43cc kjc kqcc and he just calls, and it goes check check on a blank turn and then blank river when he shoves ans yoj fold “ I missed all my outs again “ that’s legit a disaster
@richardtalbott2364
@richardtalbott2364 2 года назад
This guy’s explanation of not jamming the flop screams under funded bank roll.
@kavindaaa
@kavindaaa 3 года назад
WTF is someone doing playing poker, flopping a hand like this, having the action play out and not realising that he is just meant to jam every last chip in...... would love to play against this panicky nit
@Gizziiusa
@Gizziiusa 2 года назад
panicky nit indeed.
@Gizziiusa
@Gizziiusa 2 года назад
panicky nit indeed.
@Gizziiusa
@Gizziiusa 2 года назад
panicky nit indeed.
@Gizziiusa
@Gizziiusa 2 года назад
panicky nit indeed.
@Gizziiusa
@Gizziiusa 2 года назад
wtf ?!
@michaelyabut5969
@michaelyabut5969 2 года назад
Sometimes you flop so well you gotta CRAI and pray. Those are fun spots when you know it's correct and still are worried lol
@mroien
@mroien 3 года назад
So funny he says he's scared to put all the money in on a combo draw because it never hits then tries to justify himself saying he's not scared. 15:45 100% scared money
@joshp4233
@joshp4233 3 года назад
You know
@stevenwarwick
@stevenwarwick 3 года назад
Sam if you ever read this I'm going to help you. You are clearly a smart guy and you are calculating everything correctly except your fold equity, By your comments I would guess you have a tight reasonable image. If you backjam here like Bart suggested you will get more folds than the average guy and this will be a highly profitable spot for you. (The fold equity is worth more than your free turn card you are trying to buy)
@evankraabel5415
@evankraabel5415 3 месяца назад
If villain has KK sometimes on the flop, then isnt it much better to just call his raise, with position? We dont want him to fold KK, we want him to bet again on the turn to get him all in. Shoving the flop only serves to fold out a lot of the stuff we really want to keep in. I think shoving flop only makes sense if we dont have position for the turn bet.
@libertyforamericanow
@libertyforamericanow 2 года назад
Im shoving all in and asking if he wants to run it twice if he calls
@xForbin99
@xForbin99 3 года назад
Idk how you could control yourself from piling money in with that hand when mp1 bets the flop lol
@nickjunes
@nickjunes 2 года назад
The caller forgets that winning is still winning even if you don't play out the hand. Always win when you can unless you're 1,000% sure you can walk the dog. You can get burned more often if you slow play everything.
@rileygrill2369
@rileygrill2369 3 года назад
Yep as soon as I saw the 450 re-raise I would have snapped it all in. A re-raise with red queens is a terrible play.
@rockwithyou2006
@rockwithyou2006 2 года назад
The red queens was targetting the MP who made a weak ass bet on the flop. And the red queens guy did not think Sam had anything big here, because of how pussified he is by just calling 120 on the flop at the cutoff. Not as terrible as it might seem after seeing the hands.
@estegerset
@estegerset 2 года назад
That 1100 raise shows his opponent hes willing to go all in without going all in..i mean, as long as he aint folding to another raise.
@niemand262
@niemand262 2 года назад
God damn. I feel right now like I felt when I first learned how to properly set mine. What an absolutely incredible back-raise play. My local play sees a lot of multiway pots similar to this, so I plan to keep this one in the toolkit.
@brennanpizer5004
@brennanpizer5004 3 года назад
Wonder what the guy with queens does if "hero" rips like he's supposed to. Is there ever such a thing as raise/fold here for the QQ hand? Don't think so, but I'm asking because I'm not sure. If he folds to the odd click back not all in, does he still fold to a jam? QQ made mistakes, and so did hero IMHO. QQ should just be 100% call, never raise, correct?
@garygwinn4256
@garygwinn4256 3 года назад
This spot is AMAZING**** IVE won pots in this spot where my Opponent had KJc, and my A high took the pot, and i got the Overpair to FOLD!!!
@sageaces1921
@sageaces1921 2 года назад
Bart you describe what the hero's action should be here perfectly bc a set never folds here to a min raise. So, realize your equity bc you'll be all in anyway on the turn if board pairs. Most amateurs don't bring enough bullets to a cash game and play like scared money when getting it stuffed in their faces. The scared money in your ring game didn't bring enough bullets to reload.
@bobhodge5577
@bobhodge5577 2 года назад
I wish this guy would have said "You know what I'm saying" 22 times instead of just "You know".
@quinn9240
@quinn9240 Год назад
I think in some scenarios the 1100 bet looks stronger than the all in jam, so for that reason I don’t hate it.
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 3 года назад
Shortly after I started enjoying it, video ended. Damn!
@paulpena5040
@paulpena5040 Месяц назад
I don't think hero understand how important it is to shove on the flop. You have MAX fold equity as well as more than 50% chance of winning the pot. If you let one card peel it could change everything. First of all more money is likely to have gone in, making a shove MUCH less impressive (he's too committed now) and if the turn card didn't help you are no longer at 50 % but could be down to 30 some percent. And if the turn card DID help then it's likely to scare him off. It really does change everything. Getting people to fold is the goal in poker not making hands.
@MorrisDuBose
@MorrisDuBose 3 года назад
"Just jam it" ☠️
@adamjackson82
@adamjackson82 2 года назад
This is a good example of being result orientated...just because you've been in this position before and the draw didn't come in doesn't mean that jamming isn't the right play. He said he wasn't afraid of losing the money, if that was actually true he would have jammed to deny equity and realise his own...
@anthonyfoye3769
@anthonyfoye3769 3 года назад
But Do you know?
@adampryor9964
@adampryor9964 2 года назад
Since when should the 3 better OOP check everything on the flop...? Has the caller used a solver?
@emphatically
@emphatically 2 года назад
how many times did the other guy say “like i said”??😂😂
@emphatically
@emphatically 2 года назад
or “you know”
@JiveDadson
@JiveDadson 2 года назад
How many times did he say, you know, "you know"?
@Mathemagical55
@Mathemagical55 3 года назад
Someone did this to me just today with red queens on 235 but struggled to beat my A4 after we got it in.
@AtmagyaniSunilji
@AtmagyaniSunilji 3 года назад
If opponents JAM than I may think that the reason for jamming is the opponent is on Draw. Putting 1100 can make me think that opponent already has a straight or set and is betting 1100 which I may see it as value bat and fold if I have over pair. But if someone jams than I am sure that the opponents wants me to fold as he is on Draw. If you want opponent to fold the bet of 1100 is better than jaming.
@SSky06
@SSky06 2 года назад
This was brutal to listen to. If you're worried about putting it all-in here because "I've seen too many times the draw not come in" then just quit poker. Seriously, no sarcasm, no insult. The game isn't meant for people who can't understand that you can lose 100 coin flips in a row and it doesn't change the fact that the odds are still what they are, and if you're unwilling to utilize fold equity when you have it you should find a different game to play. It's even more ridiculous when he starts off the call talking about how he is playing at this casino because they let you buy-in for 200bbs at the 1/3 and then proceeds to play scared with his stack size. This is just a simple, straightforward hand for everyone EXCEPT someone who is very inexperienced or just doesn't have the bankroll for the game he's in/is worried about losing the money he has on the table.
@williamzagarella8066
@williamzagarella8066 2 года назад
I dont mind the play solely because it look RIDICULOUSLY strong. Looks like its never a bluff. This might be the best way to maximize fold equity and not make It look like a draw.
@rockwithyou2006
@rockwithyou2006 2 года назад
14:29, I make the same face when my brain hurts
@dancrockett4454
@dancrockett4454 2 года назад
He smooth calls raise and a brick hits turn you are now not the favorite anymore in a giant pot. Flip side he smooth calls raise and you hit flush or straight and he is able to get away from his hand. Rip it in and put max pressure and get max value.
@tuck8200
@tuck8200 2 года назад
Almost unwatchable due to the 1000 "y'know" from the caller. Holy smokes.
@xanderlinde8746
@xanderlinde8746 3 года назад
I’m min back raising and shoving all turns
@Godwad
@Godwad Год назад
My entire reason for listening is so I can know something that I don’t already know.
@Nick-fc9xy
@Nick-fc9xy 2 года назад
If villain literally shows you Js10s do you still jam? I would assume no but just wondering. Do you even call?
@gordonbelle1375
@gordonbelle1375 3 года назад
Yes we know, you know
@pokerrp6249
@pokerrp6249 3 года назад
The 2 villains have either AK, AQ suited, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, or TT which you block to this is a jam because he meant think your bluffing and call you . You have over 61% Equity over Everything but AA . They can’t call a 4 bet that large at micro stacks with 77, 88, or 99 and there is nothing else it could be .
@paulthompson9668
@paulthompson9668 2 года назад
So 18 minutes to basically confirm my instincts that a flush and straight draw on the flop means put all your money in. lol
@bradsmith7498
@bradsmith7498 2 года назад
Who wants to turn "ya know" into a drinking game? I have to warn you I'm from Wisconsin, ya know.
@robertshirkey3758
@robertshirkey3758 3 года назад
He didn’t shove after the check raise because he was worried about losing his stack.... it’s a money issue. If he had the right bankroll, he would confidently go all in. Just my guess because I can’t see any other reason why he wouldn’t shove there.
@ChrisM-wv4gs
@ChrisM-wv4gs 2 года назад
brings up another question why do people keep playing in games they cant afford to play in
@danielcooke9974
@danielcooke9974 2 года назад
Putting in money to then increase the pot odds of you get raised is dumb maths
@FinnishFinest
@FinnishFinest 3 года назад
The key point is, that hero loses all the EV gained from folds, if he only calls or backraises the flop too small. Ofc he wants his villain to fold overpairs to get free 1k, which surely happens a lot If he jams there. If he gets called hes flipping. The flop jam is literally the most must thing in this hand. There is no alternative. Happily for hero, the villain probs assumed that the Hero is supernutted there, as most of the recs use small raises in such boards, when they are supernutted. So ye, 1,1k isn't ultimately bad sizing choice, because it could actually gain more folds than 1.7k jam. Even it doesn't make any sense mathematically.
@nicks210684
@nicks210684 3 года назад
Hero is ahead of all overpairs. It’s nearly a flip vs AA but against red queens hero is 62%.
@FinnishFinest
@FinnishFinest 3 года назад
@@nicks210684 Yes. That doesn't change the fact that he wants hero to fold the range of overpairs. Hero has roughly 58% against all overpairs. Leftover to play + ev 1655+1655=3310 3310 x 0.58 = 1919.8 1919.8 - 1655 = 264.8 usd.
@nicks210684
@nicks210684 3 года назад
@@FinnishFinest I’d say either result is fine. If villain folds QQ/KK etc that’s great, we massively over realise our 58% equity. On the other hand if villain calls then it’s higher variance but we’re still getting them to put more money in when they’re behind.
@johnnyquad6795
@johnnyquad6795 2 года назад
This guy sounds so risk adverse.
@judeluhrs9741
@judeluhrs9741 3 года назад
i actually like the $1100 re-raise after the flop and villain check-raise ... your caller has good argument assuming the flop presents a 50/50 scenario
@rockwithyou2006
@rockwithyou2006 2 года назад
care to explain the benefit of the 1100 re-raise?
@EfficientRVer
@EfficientRVer 2 года назад
@@rockwithyou2006 I think it has a benefit in making it more likely that your opponent puts you on a set, which is not what you have. So, great deception. How often that causes him to make a mistake which causes your average result to change in the direction you want it to, is another matter. For this scared-money hero, a fold at least takes it down and reduces variance, and his bet did achieve that result which he strongly desired. The main downside is that if villain calls, you hit the flush, and you don't get paid off, it's not great.
@rockwithyou2006
@rockwithyou2006 2 года назад
basically the caller is willing to lose this pot thereby saving 680$ dollars for himself. Genius.
@makeluck3659
@makeluck3659 2 года назад
Your videos are the best. Most profitable information.
@explicit90
@explicit90 3 года назад
Sam just Jam, peace out and hangs up in annoyance.
@sdickinson5234
@sdickinson5234 2 года назад
The caller was saying he was a small favorite against an overpair but he has 17 outs to win. That's a huge favorite. He only wants to put money in when he has the stone cold nuts?
@blairjohnson6014
@blairjohnson6014 2 года назад
“My question is just, is jamming here the more optimal play? Just the higher variance play?” YES IT’S THE MORE OPTIMAL PLAY, AND WHY THE FUCK WOULD IT BE HIGHER VARIANCE?
@mattbarnes128
@mattbarnes128 2 года назад
I mean call we all agree the hero is just playing scared. It's really hard to have the nuts when you get it all in . Sometimes you gotta JAM baby!!
@not2393
@not2393 Год назад
You know I just clicked back my back raise equity to the three bet because his positional range combinations were blocked by my fucking bullshit
@meadydoheny
@meadydoheny 2 года назад
The % of times opponent has a hand he'll FOLD "Fold Equity"
@Rob.P.
@Rob.P. 3 года назад
Sam just jam it!!!!.. lol Sam sounds so scared 🤑💰 money!!!
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