As an older business owner who has reached his prime in income, I go through several new car every 2 years. I will say haven owned a grand Cherokee with the 5.7 and now owning a wagoneer series 3 it’s no comparison in 0-60. The light weight to HP ratio of the grand Cherokee with the v-8 took off like a rocket and still got me 21mpg in the country roads. (Keep in mind there is 4cyl cars that barley reach that). flip to my wife’s new wagoneer series 3, the comfort level is a blessing. It does not take off like a rocket but weather I’m driving on the farm or pulling the trailer loaded with a tractor, you don’t even know your on a dirt road anymore. Once again Chrysler has built the best. Best truck- Ram 3500 high output and now adding the Best luxurious SUV to their belt. If we can bring American cars to focus on small cars once again dreams can happen. For now the most reliable small cars (not fast lol) still belong to Toyota...
TFL - Please test the regular (not Grand) Wagoneer Series II with the Advanced All Terrain Group. It has 18" wheels along with skid plates and other goodies. I want to know how it performs off road.
Seriously - all of the auto channels are all over the Grand, but I want to see the normal Wagoneer that only costs an arm and a leg, not the Grand that demands your firstborn. :P
@@TonyYarusso for sure. I think it is because Jeep is only providing them Grand Wagoneers as part of their press fleet that they let everyone borrow. It may take them getting one from a dealer, a private owner or them purchasing one.
Wagoneer series II with the offroad package will be my next Jeep. The 5.7 with the e-torque will be hard to beat. I just wish it had the removable bumper like the wk2.
@THE HVACR DUDE I will pay you 1k cash to meet me up there and do it in your Corolla and I get to film it and put it on YT. You have to keep going and do the entire track. No funny business, showing up with a corolla on 35's and a solid axle swap.
Because this is not an off-road vehical it's a street queen, shopping mall parking lot pig take the kids to soccer practice kinda thing. A real ass hat would be the one to take a 100k plus vehical to get trashed up off road and then there is the other end of the spectrum as stated above lol.
Loving the flurry of Jeep Grand Cherokee content you guys have been pushing out lately. As a Grand Cherokee owner I'm loving it and it makes me miss my 02 WJ Overland like crazy.
Nathan, you should use Hill Descent more as the system allows individual wheel braking, whereas when you don’t use it and brake yourself, all wheels are braked - You can’t control individual wheel braking whereas Hill Descent can. Thus you have so much more downhill control using HDC. Please do the Grand Wagoneer vs Range Rover.
The 2021 uses the Mercedes M platform with aluminum control arms. It seems to work very well. The Wagoneer uses a truck platform with steel independent suspension. It works very well too. I wonder if steel is used solely for cost reduction, or if there is an engineering advantage. Living in the rust belt I have experienced trucks and cars with only a ten year life span before they rust out. Cars and trucks using more corrosion resistant materials and better rust proofing materials do much better. I am curious how the new Stellantis vehicles will hold up.
Hey Nathan and Andre @tfl off road I would live to see the grand wagoneer versus the Yukon at4 versus Lincoln navigator versus Cadillac escalade and put them up into a head to head battle and let's see pound for pound which one gets you more bang for the buck. But I would easily say that the grand wagoneer is a Maybach in regular clothes or very close to it!
Nice review, you two. Very nice indeed! Jeep is now making an extremely interesting line(s) of different, yet amazing vehicles! Thanks for this off-road test!
I agree with many commenters here where I would put Goodyear Duratracs on either and/or BOTH of these vehicles. In about 5 to 7 years when the first long-term lease returns come out and you can buy the Jeep Grand Wagoneer used for around $40,000 to $50,000 USD, I would get my local 4x4 upgrade shop to put a 4 inch lift on the Jeep Grand Wagoneer and add either the Duratracs OR the Nitto EXO Grapplers on them and add the full underbody skid plates and a thick full Line-X underbody coat for extra rust/corrosion protection. AND YES! I would add both a heavy duty bumper WITH full-width frontal bush bar AND 16,000 lbs winch AND a rear bumper with winch and bush bar. To feed that monster 6.4 litre V8 on long offroad trips, the rear bumper setup would have a swiveling tube cage with room for two 20 Gallon Jerry Cans for twice the driving range. In a few years, this Grand Wagoneer is going to be an AMAZING luxury 4x4 off-road monster that you don't have to worry about dents and scratches. It will be an AMAZINGLY COMFORTABLE off-roader when properly modded! I'm in the Metro Vancouver, Canada area where there are some really GNARLY off-road terrain within 50 km (30 miles) of us and I have seen MANY older Lincoln Navigators, Cadillac Escalades and Range Rovers with 4 inch and even 6 inch lifts and big and beefy 35 inch off-road M/T tires and even added fender flares. 35's don't normally fit without a wheel well cut-out but 32's certainly do without too much modding. V
The Grand Wagoner you have there is an incredibly good looking one. The proportions, shape and style are just so right. And that burgundy and black are a very elegant color selection. I like it a lot. Now, is this just a preproduction press car that is scheduled to be squished in six months or will it escape out into the wild and live a long and eventful life?
Wagoneer certainly didn't disappoint actually very impressive arguably the best vehicle for larger families that can afford it I'd take it over any range Rover currently available
Honestly I eyeballed this and the Suburban and we ended up with the Z71 Suburban...looking back I honestly wish we'd spent a little more for the Wagoneer.
If I was a business man and own a ranch I do see myself driving that new super fancy wagoneer only reason I am an American and support American machines. The trailhawk that's if I was mid 20's just out of college with some passion for the outdoors. Reality I love the outdoors and I don't have a lot of money that's why I have a 2001 WJ limited that it's proven to be an amazing and super capable suv. Great video and both of those cars are really cool
Beautiful thing that grand wagoneer. Too many electronic things to break though. Not for me. For trails, off roading , snowy, muddy terrain I would rather have a reliable, sturdy tin can so I wouldn’t have to worry about paint scratches, dents etc.
I don't know about the electronic breakage part, I have a 2011 GC, and a 2010 Ram 1500, both loaded, replace brake pads and do the services. Ram key fobs, are a wearable item. Gone through two of them so far. Other than that, they have been as stable as an anvil. Best wishes from the far North.
@@kristen4897 Fob batteries replaced annually. The Fobs start giving spurious signals, windows, both front roll down. Have one remote left, will get a new one in February.
I would rather have the GW without all the off road features because no way would I take it on anything real off road. Just have it do well in the snow. I have a GC and have taken it on several rough roads but never off road, besides something like parking in a field etc. I use my other Jeep for the off road stuff.
For a SUV that costs 90k +.... the spare tire could have a matching rim as the other four rims on the vehicle. Was surprised to see a steel rim for the spare.
Got an idea for you guys. Take one of the vehicles that shows pitch and roll and use it to track the angles of your frequently used trails. That way when you get the "that's not even steep" crowd in here, you can post the angles you are working with on the screen.
Can I just say that the elevator music while Andre goes though the settings on the screens is a nice touch. I don’t know why but it made me smile. Nice Jeeps (no matter what Stellantis calls the GW)!
Cool! The grand wagoner would look good lifted on a set of 37s.. Also I never understood why you would use a braking system like hill decent when you have a low range gearbox. Just put it in 1st and let the engine do the braking..
Lol a grand wagoneer on 37”s would look sick but would be in dire need of hellcat power! I’ll tell ya what would be the most ridiculous of modern SUVs….how bout a Cadillac Escalade-V w/ 6” lift on 37”s & swampers!?😂🤣😂🤣
I took my 2015 GC WK2 ECO on Corona Pass last summer and totally know what you're talk about in regards to the air suspension. I ran full height with K02's and wondered as we were bouncing around if I should air down?
A Comanche would be cool but I figure they won't want to compete with their current gladiator. Also they could possibly ruin it and base it off the current cherokee. Slap a 2 foot bed on a little crossover. Like a Subaru Baja.
They have come along ways in resolving some of the issues the Grand Cherokee had around 2015. These are really the best dual purposed SUVs on the market for money
This should have been branded a Chrysler if the old style guide was followed. Luxury, power… hiding “jeep” the best they could because jeeps are perceived to be “rugged but uncomfortable”. I sense a bit of an identity crisis with the branding but the vehicle is remarkable and tech heavy. That 6.4 is a monster and we just need to see some sweet donuts guys
Stellantis has several reasons to hide the fact that it is a Jeep. Firstly, it would be very difficult to launch a luxury vehicle under a non-luxury brand. Having said that, the luxury-non luxury lines keep getting blurred more and more with each passing day. Secondly, Jeep dealers do not provide the level of customer service luxury buyers expect. This has the potential to be a thorn on the side among those willing to spend $100,000+ on an SUV
Glad to see the Wagoneer name coming back. Probably too big for the UK, but I would love to see the real "original SUV" over here competing with the Range Rover.
Andre; My suspension settings, my gauges, my rear tire, my this, my that , my voice, my ego.... And besides he droves the newest vehicle, he gaves Nathan instructions about the settings on his vehicle 😂😂😂 Jokes aside, Happy New Years guys. I wish i have a job likes yours!
Jeep needs to add the all terrain package to the grand wagoneer, and also some sort of rear wheel steering for a vehicle that long (especially the extended length).
My 2015 Cherokee Trailhawk is going fine. I go to the Navajo Nation and it has mostly bad dirt roads with terrible clay. When it rains it turns to mush and the Trailhawk eats it up.
Amazing how clean the Wagoneer's engine compartment is. You can see all the way around the engine. The new Bronco's engine compartment is a snake pit in comparison.
I like the old school wagoner just replace motor and drive line and you got a Better vehicle. I wouldn’t buy a independent 4wd vehicle, but each to their own.
The piano black was not a favorite in other vehicles that use it, but in the Grand Wagoner, it’s barely mentioned. 🤔 But for the price, sure let’s take it off road, what’s the worst thing that can happen? 😂
@@TFLoffroad yep he mentioned it, but it was like how dare Hyundai do it in the Santa Cruz; it’s not the same level of dislike and apparently very subjective. To each there own ✌🏼
Already nicer interior then Escalade and Navigator. They really hit a home run with this thing. Only thing left is a turbo 6 making about 500 lb feet of torque. Which if as we see in TFL they are about to bring that out.
No idea why but if I had a extra $200.000 I would get this no problem it super for a cross North America trip with a 2022 airstream pottery barn in tow mayor the new turbo 6 motor or 4xE model it be a super comfortable ride most like no back problems
I love my ‘17 Jeep Grand Cherokee, which I like a lot, the Wagoneer, is so unique and styling that is unique, people will turn their heads, I would too
Hey guys HAPPY New Year are you going to do a real world MPG loop on your jeep grand Cherokee trailhawk.Im interested in the truck and yours has the Hemi 5.7 and don't see many reviews on the trk with that engine. Thanx for all your great 411 with your videos.👍
I had 1999 4.0, 2002 3.7( if i remember correctly) and 2005 5.7 loved them all. I would get another one but the price literally doubled and they're not in my price range anymore. BTW if it has 4lo its not crossover or cuv
I can't wait to buy one off lease for 45k in 3-4 years. Make mine a 2500 Cummins 4x4. You guys remember that there's an xl version on the way soon right?
Why would they not want to be clear about the Jeep brand association on the Wagoneer? That's a dumb move. What makes the Wagoneer cool is that it's a full size Jeep. If it isn't a Jeep it's just another big SUV that I have no interest in.
Here's a thought, if you had to open the door on the Wagoneer, but you had very low clearance, would the retractable running boards be damaged in the process.? Or can they be manually turned off.
they open automatically, but if they encounter an obstruction, reverse and close. don't take much force either. i love my grand series 3. best and most comfortable vehicle i have ever been in.