One Poison Counter = GG? | Proliferate Control | 13 Rare Standard Budget Magic: the Gathering (MTG) 

Huge disagree.

@@Crusina ...How? Why would someone want to win by doing two methods at once? Instead of just focusing on one?

Venerated rotpriest and other proliferate decks will probably be the only effective ones for poisoning people out tbh

@@gaminggeckos4388 I think the question would be: How much are you investing into each strategy? If you have both a card like Prologue to Phyresis AND Furnace Punisher (which is cards that work in only one strategy), then sure, you are splitting. If you just play one plan and stack damage or counters incidentally, outside your actual strategy, you are not losing anything.

@@gaminggeckos4388 This kind of mentality is why netdecking can be both good and bad. On the bad end, it really just lowers the general skill of people who become incapable of thinking for themselves/outside of the box. The fact that you can not grasp why says a lot about the state of people who play this game.

I had one game against a MYTHIC ORANGE once, so I was sure to say hi. No reply back. Heartbreaking

You can also tell because their name didn’t end with VIP

@@tkalle1299 ooh, nice catch! Missed that detail!

What episode of commander clash had Justin parnell?

@@taylormilleman7337 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5wILefTrtks.html Praetor bowl

Thank youuuu!

poison is ok in standard, but in commander it is absurdly broken.. maybe if they upped the lethal poison to 20 for commander.. also, would be nice if there were more than three cards that remove poison counters would make the mechanic better in my opinion.

@@ibstrummin2 Hard disagree, it'd extremely far from broken in commander, there's a reason you never see it.

Agreed. If you want to stick to Dimir, then Gix's Command is probably the most attractive option if you keep the creatures in. If you drop the creatures, then Drag to the Bottom is really the only maindeckable option, which requires running the triomes, and taplands suck - so a creatureless version is probably just not viable in Dimir until they print another good black sweeper.

Does drag to the bottom require triomes though. While gruul aggro might go big with counters the selesnya toxic aggro decks and the simic rotpriest decks don’t actually have a lot of toughness on board. -3/-3 might be more than enough to kill their board

@@Icameron259 I actually got this deck and added Gix's command, it does work very well.

@@Icameron259 dropping the creatures and running drag is definitely the way to go; all the creatures do in this list is turn on opposing removal, and the curve is low enough that 7 tap lands won't hurt too much (especially if running cut down)

@@jaded718 with no creatures you don't have enough things to put the first poison

Been watching a lot of horror short movies on RU-vid lately. Weird video ticks and distortions do not help my calm.

Okay so that wasn't just me

I first noticed it when he showed Vraska in the deck tech and thought it was a cool little Phyrexian corrupted thing the editor did

Huh, I'll have to ask the editor. I'm not sure if they did it on purpose of if it was a bug.

Ha, slow storm is a good way to think of it actually.

Situational, but I totally agree! Hit that on a Kikijiki. Forced it to flip & killed the creature-side with sorcery speed removal

It's not the return of Venser I was hoping for, but it will do for now :)

@@MTGGoldfish I feel you, he's my favorite too. I still jam Venser, the Sojourner in decks for the feels.

Venser plus stonehorn dignitary. My combo deck I built all those years ago. I hated Karn because Venser gave his spark to him(this was before I knew what Tron was).

@@MTGGoldfish I don’t think he’s gonna be returning from that, homie 😂

You lose the moment your life is 0. You pay the life apon cast and imediately lose

Life is checked on receiving priority so since you receive priority after the Varaska ability resolves first, you would loose before the poison counters were checked. At least thats my understanding.

@@thatsgerman1 State-based effects are checked for every player whenever someone begins to receive priority. Its not just everything attached to the active player. It would be a draw.

​@@redblackdg i believe theyre talking about vraska's 0 loyalty ability which makes you lose 1 life and proliferate, not the phyrexian mana. unlike the phyrexian mana, the life loss of vraska's 0 is not a cost, so it happens during the resolution of the ability, along with the proliferate

@@colinbrown74 Yep you are right, I misread the rules

Go for it. It's super fun!

I think that the issue with Thrumming bird is that it has to deal combat damage for the proliferate trigger. there isn't any value like with Venser or the bat, since one makes tokens and gains life and the other gives poison and is recursive.

Yeah, I totally get it. I just thought it'd be neat to toss a couple in, not a full 4, and maybe not even mainboard for that matter, but with it being an extra body that kinda fits the theme & is easy to cast, I don't know, just saw it working, possibly a maybeboard card perhaps?

Bilious Skulldweller is a really solid choice for a 3rd creature. being able to cast proliferate anticipate and drown in ichor on curve is massive.

I'd like to disagree. I can see where you are coming from, but that isn't where this deck is going. You don't really need Proliferate in Saga decks and adding Sagas to a "proliferate poison counters" will be watering down the whole "proliferate poison counters" plan. See also: SaffronOlive's short comment about people often splitting their strategies into two weaker variants instead of going all in on one strategy. He commented that in the game against that other poison/proliferate deck, where the opponent was also trying to drain him. Instead of playing that drain card, the opponent could have played a card, that helps with the poison strategy. Which SaffronOlive did do and consequently won the game. Because his strategy was more focused.

@@ThorsShadow The deck can use some answers to agro like the board whipe saga and Life of umezaua. It kills 1thoughtness creatures and gains life so it seems lika good fit even if it doesn't contribute to the win con. The saga s aren't a different strategy but help the existing one

The saga does play around the rotpriest which I think will see a lot of play in the upcoming time.

@@alexsandor6135 Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. Thanks for explaining your point. Didn't think about these specific options. Maybe as Sideboard cards against aggro, then?

@@ThorsShadow Yeah maybe just sideboard would be good but a mainboard board whipe is probably needed in this deck

Lol fr

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@@jackatheBOSS also during the deck tech

good idea. I'll run it as a 2-of and see how it does.

@@Rosiestoned i go with drag and a handful of ub triomes; malicious malfunction also works

Many rogues got a lot better if there were 8 cards in the GY, so it was not exactly betting on 2 horses

playtested Lilli and no, she actually slows the deck down. 99% of the time she's a 3 mana sorcery speed Sheoldred's Edict that doesn't hit walkers, and the other 1% you proliferate her so you can -2 a second time.

simic poison abuses interactions with Ivy and auras (also destroys this deck) Bilious Skulldweller is rather good. being able to cast proliferate anticipate or drown in ichor on turn2 has won me quite a few games.

There's so many ways to give your opponent that first counter that it seems unlikely to be that much of a problem. 8 toxic creatures + the card draw seems pretty sufficient.

To be honest, Equipment has never been really good in standard, even when we had all the good equipment payoffs and equipment, like Nahiri and Akiri, and Maul.

From drafts I've seen, the equipment decks are very viable. Outside that in constructed, it becomes a bit less viable, at least at the moment. I personally think it's going to be something we see a lot more in the upcoming set, seeing as the icon is a sword and hopefully ends with the progatonists winning (at some cost). :D

yup. Vraska's ability fully resolves, then SBA checks and sees both players are dead.

The proliferate effect happens later on the stack than the life loss, and since life total is a static check, he would've died before he had the chance to choose which counters to proliferate.

@notyourbusiness5530 I don't think that's true. You put the 0 ability on the stack. Once it resolves, you carry out each of its instructions. Included in those instructions are "lose 1 life" and "proliferate". There's no point in between doing those two things that state-based actions are checked, and losing the game to 0 or less life and losing the game to 10 or more poison counters are both checked at that time. Erego, any effect that gives lethal poison counters and lethal loss of life to two different players will have those players lose the game simultaneously. In a 2 player game, this will result in a draw.

Drown in Ichor is a sorcery though, if it was an instant would could have though.

@@MTGGoldfish I guess that was my punt then :)

That's a good question. I think you might be right that it would have been a draw.

Yeah, we don't play control super often on the channel, but this deck is really fun! Inkmoth would be a huge, huge upgrade.

@@MTGGoldfish Is Mirrex at all playable for flood protection? It's not great for budget because it's another rare land, but 2 of them could give you a way to take advantage of holding up mana on turns where your opponents don't do much.

I think it depends on the meta. It's pretty bad against things with Wedding Announcement and other token makers, but if it's killing a non-token creature most of the time I think it's worth it.

Hmm, maybe we'll have to give it a try in Explorer once we set is out.

That match was from the stream, it's in the VOD on the replay youtube! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ye_rPdkdo4c.html

@@MTGGoldfish thanks! Much love to both channels! You are cool

I didn't see a point where they had 3 creatures to attack with so I think they played the best options they had

That's what I was wondering

I don't think it is. There's a RU-vidr called MTG Malone

I think there's a South American MTG RU-vidr that goes by MTGMalone, I think it was probably them (but maybe it was Post).

@@MTGGoldfish ahh gotcha, love the content 🍻